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good afternoon. i'm lindsey reiser in for yasmin . a donald trump plot involving the doj and his false election claims. president biden makes saving the country from covid the laser like focus of his first 100 days offering new ways to help people medically and financially. plus, the january 6th capitol hill riots have led to a
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crackdown on social media that has far right extremists rushing to new alternatives. i'll talk to a member of congress who wants new action against one of those alternatives. we have a team of correspondents and experts ready to break it all down for you. let's go ahead and start with the explosive reporting from "the new york times" that nbc news has confirmed about president trump's desperate attempts to stay in power. the paper reports trump planned to oust acting attorney general jeffrey rosen and replace him with attorney jeffrey clark because rosen wouldn't support his attempts to overturn the election. the paper writes, mr. trump's decision came only after mr. rosen and mr. clark made their competing cases to him. in a bizarre white house meeting that two officials compared with mr. trump's reality show, the apprentice, albeit one that could prompt a constitutional crisis. i'm joined by carol lenning. you confirmed this right away.
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you wrote on twitter, last night when we confirmed this stunning event trump trying for the second time to remove a second ag to save his own political skin i thought, it was bonkers. then it dawned on me, it wasn't shocking at all. this could have caused a huge ripple in the country at the highest law enforcement institution we have. you say this appears to be typical mo forhim. >> lindsay, i think we all can see not only has president trump tried this once, twice, three times to push out attorney general jeff sessions when he was angry about the special counsel probe about russian collusion, russian contacts with campaign members and his own obstruction of that criminal investigation, we see now in the desperate last moments right before he is about to be escorted from the white house and joe biden is about to be inaugurated he is still plotting yet another way to undermine
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that election, to undo it, to undo the results and to stay in office or at least claim that he should stay in office. i say that it's not stunning because it's not stunning after we look at the last four years. it is astonishing in the history of the department of justice and in the history of presidencies. the last time anyone tried to get rid of a key member of the justice department, an independent, objective body, the last time a president tried to do that was president nixon and now donald trump has done it multiple times. the latest, just days before lawmakers were scurrying for cover when pro trump rioters stormed the capitol. >> just highlights how focused he was on trying to overturn the election over these baseless fraud allegations instead of the duties of running the country, the job that he so wanted to keep. >> what stopped this from happening, do you think?
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why didn't trump end up firing rosen? >> that is what's so fascinating about this story, which we were clamoring to confirm last night after "the new york times" broke it. it wasn't that hard to confirm luckily on a friday night late lucky for us. >> think that's a sign of good sourcing, carol. >> and good luck, too. but what was so amazing to me and what your question is dead on about is there were a group of people who have been loyal, steady, stalwart supporters of the president's agenda, and they on a call and in person said this will not stand. my understanding is the white house counsel, pat sippalone, remember, pat defended the president in impeachment, said his call with ukraine, if you can remember that far back, the start of last year, said that that was a perfectly defensible call and all of the efforts to pressure the ukraine government were appropriate.
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that white house counsel told the president this was essentially nuts and he should not do it. >> carol, excellent reporting as always. so happy to have you. thank you for getting us started today. let's bring in mariana sotomayor and glen kirshner. let's start with you, mariana. how are lawmakers responding to this? >> reporter: well, lindsay, we just received a tweet from senate majority leader chuck schumer where he says it actually is, quote, unconscionable. i'm going to read a little bit of this to you. unconscionable they would conspire to subvert the people's will and that the justice department inspector general must launch an investigation into this attempted sedition now. something you won't be hearing from someone biden, someone i covered over the last couple of years, he's trying to draw a contrast by making sure he
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doesn't direct his attorney general or his justice department to do anything, anything that he may want to be seen as potentially conflict of interest. he doesn't want to direct anyone to potentially show that from happening. that is one big difference. you shouldn't, like i said already, not necessarily expect to be as direct as schumer. but so far we've only really heard from democrats. there is one congresswoman from pennsylvania, madeleine dean, who will actually be an impeachment manager when the trial starts in a couple of weeks. take a listen to what she had to say in reaction to this earlier today on msnbc. >> it's just further evidence of the depths and desperation and sadly of those who would help this failed president. guess what he was trying to do. he was desperately trying to hold on to power by trying to throw out millions of citizens' votes. it's a despicable low time in
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our country. >> reporter: so that is likely a message you will continue to hear from democrats once we start receiving a number of their statements. it's actually something very similar to what we heard in the beginning last year of that first impeachment trial where they accused the president of overstepping his boundaries, whether that comes up in this impeachment trial is something that we will definitely be waiting and seeing for, lindsay. >> let's put that question to glen kirshner. here we are two weeks away from trump's impeachment. could this be part of it? >> this could be part of it. this is a pattern of conduct where the president has tried to undermine a free and fair election, an election that every court in the land, state, trial, appellate, supreme court and the u.s. supreme court ruled there was no evidence of fraud. and, you know, i'm so glad you had carol on. i was reading her reporting in the washington post and this one sentence that nearly took my breath away as a former career
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prosecutor. she wrote that jeffrey clark wanted to send the letter to georgia state electors wrongly asserting the department of justice was investigating voter fraud and biden's win should be voided. lindsay, this has the feel of not just the president trying to use the department of justice and his former lawyer, ag bill barr to protect him, not just trying to use the department of justice to do favors for the president's criminal associates like roger stone and mike flynn, this has the feel of the president recruiting co-con spiritors from the upper echelons at the department of justice it looks like based on the reporting he found a willing participant in jeffrey clark. and if congress doesn't subpoena jeffrey clark and if a grand jury doesn't subpoena jeffrey clark right now to investigate this, i would be surprised.
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>> all right. nbc's mariana sotomayor and glenn kirshner, thank you for your time. president biden working this weekend. what can you tell us about a call between president biden and the president of mexico? >> reporter: these are the first four calls to hold with tradition. president biden speaking with justin trudeau but also with the leader of mexico yesterday. of course a conversation that ranged and touched on a lot of different topics, on everything ranging from immigration, something the two leaders said they need to work together to address after many changes, of course, from trump era policies in the last four years, and then also a discussion of combatting the covid-19 pandemic. in the white house release and readout of the calls, they gave a couple more details about issues that the two leaders will
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likely discuss in the future, such as trade of course, and this is something similarly that president biden talked to prime minister trudeau about in that call. a lot of questions being raised about when president biden might meet these leaders in person since given the pandemic travel is not something that is really occurring, of course, these world leader meetings have been largely virtual for the last year. both trudeau and biden did say they would like to meet in the next month or so. those details still a little bit unclear, lindsay, of course, as president biden continues his outreach to other world leaders we expect in the days and weeks to come. >> wasting no time to get started. nbc's monica alba, thank you. hundreds of guard members sent to washington after the january 6th insurrection on the u.s. capitol have tested positive for covid-19. according to several outlets, including politico, even though troops went through a screening process, not all of them were tested before coming to d.c. guard leadership has declined to release an official number of
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cases. after discovering health care workers could squeeze an extra vaccine out of viles, pfizer plans to count an extra sixth dose towards its previous commitment. that means the u.s. is getting significantly fewer viles than expected despite pharmacists saying a specialty syringe is needed to reliably draw that extra fluid. earlier this month under president trump the fda approved a request from pfizer to update vaccine labels to clarify six doses instead of five could be drawn from each vile. with mounting covid vaccine shortages across the country, dr. anthony fauci is urging patience as the new white house administration takes the reins. >> there are some areas, some states and cities where things are going very smoothly and there are other situations where that's not the case, where there are people who need and want vaccine that are not getting it
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and where there are places where there's vaccine that are not being adequately and efficiently used. we've got to get into the trenches, figure out what's wrong. >> and in new york where supplies are dwindling, governor andrew cuomo is warning the state will run out of all vaccines as early as this week without a major federal infusion of doses. >> we have to get help for new york because the congress members are right, new york got hit hardest. fairness dictates that this nation now responds to us with the appropriate aid. we have more pain in this state than any other state, and that federal resource allocation should reflect that. >> nbc's cory coffin is outside a vaccination site at queens aqua duct racetrack in new york. it's not just a shortage of doses. new yorkers are finding, like many other states, a major head
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jake with the signup process. >> reporter: yeah. when dr. anthony fauci expressed the three scenarios, he hit the nail on the head for new york. it seems like it's such a big state that all of these are happening at once. here at aqua kukt, we talked to some folks who were able to get in, lucky enough to be able to get in. i'm going to show you what they had to tell me earlier, but really this is a reflection of something that they have been warning about for weeks now. the governor said today they are out of their week five supply. they're now into their week six supply. this is week six now so they're really running week to week here. it's a dwindling supply. we know they had to postpone some 23,000 appointments this past week. the first responders the first wave of people to get the vaccine also have had to postpone their program. we know fdny can't vaccinate many of their firefighters because of the expanded pool and lack of vaccine there.
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unfortunately some vaccination sites have had to put their operations on pause. here at aquaduct, it is open. they are lucky enough to get in if they are one of the few who got an appointment but they said it was really difficult. listen to what they told me. >> it was not easy to sign up. i did it the day that they opened the aquaduct location and i was trying to put it in and it kept signing me out. then there was a phone number. then the phone number was busy. then i think i found it where they must have been overwhelmed and then the system kind of got up and running and then i had no problem getting it in. >> initially it was pretty difficult. i had found out that teachers were able to go i tried right away but a lot of the areas near me didn't offer it. i live in mayopack, new york, so i had to drive over an hour to get here today because there was nothing closer. >> over an hour away, lindsay.
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unbelievable. something else that we have to mention. we cannot forget that as the vaccine woes continue, so do the case woes in new york. in new york city, 54 zip codes have tested over a 10% positivity rate. that is 1/3 of the city of new york. really tough news for a city and state hit hard by this pandemic. >> wow. cori, nobody should have to drive an hour to get a vaccine. you can understand why many of us who want one would drive those lengths or keep hitting refresh all night if that's what it took. thank you. coming up today at 5 p.m., dr. anthony fauci joins the rev represented al sharpton on politics nation. radio and television personality larry king has died. he was 87. a statement from his media company says king had been receiving treatment at cedar sinai medical center in los angeles. the cause of his death was not specified but king was recently hospitalized with covid-19 and had endured health problems for
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many years. king, a brooklyn native had a nearly 60 year career that included radio, cable tvs and of course the internet. best known for his off the cuff interviews, many happening on his longest running show, larry king live, which aired on cnn for 25 years. >> was there a little like, you know, flirtatious thing going on? >> sure. >> i was the number one show on television, larry. do you know who i am? >> raising tariffs. >> totally different unrelated situations. >> i'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse. >> good-bye. >> good-bye. >> memorable interviews right there. all right. coming up, parler probe. a call for an investigation into the role of the social media platform in the deadly insurrection. after the break, the congresswoman who's leading that charge joins me live. chair of the oversight and reform committee, representative
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welcome back. more fallout from the january 6th capitol riots as the chair woman of the house oversight and reform committee is requesting an fbi investigation into the now disabled website parler and its role in the insurrection. congresswoman carolyn maloney said the request is a, quote, step toward opening a formal committee investigation into
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sites that may encourage violence including parler. joining me is carolyn maloney. congresswoman, thank you for joining us. what are your main concerns here with parler and other sites that led to this letter? >> well, lindsay, inciting violence and calling for violence is a crime. it's a very serious crime. in the amazon-filed papers they called the post on parler aimed clearly at planning violence, clearly aimed at overturning a free and fair election, which is a corner stone of our democracy. these actions clearly threaten our national security and our way of life. these are very clear issues. they were inciting violence. violence is not free speech. it's a crime. it needs to be investigated and the fbi has the tools to do it.
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we want to know who's behind it, who planned it, who financed it and get these answers so that the perpetrators can be held responsible and that we can work to make sure that this never happens again. >> let's zero in on what you just said. who financed it and who's behind it. you write, quote, concerns about the company's connections to russia have grown since the company reemerged on a russian hosting service after being denied services by amazon web services. if you go to you're going to see a blurb that says technical difficulties. we're going to fight every challenge we have and we'll be back. what implications could there be from a russian hosting service? >> we know that some foreign countries have tried to sew misinformation and violence and divisions in our country. we want to know who's behind this. we want to know who financed it.
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who's financing? where's the money coming from? to put these up is hundreds of millions of dollars. these are questions that need to be looked at and need to be researched and that's what i'm calling on. this is a serious threat to our democracy and really to our national security. >> you mentioned that violent speech is not protected speech. do you worry right now that the argument in favor of free speech will win out here? >> i think it's a public policy that government needs to look at and define in a better way. obviously free speech is very, very important and i support that for any political opinion, but violence is not a political opinion. they were clearly calling for the capture of certain elected officials, the murder of citizens and other electeds. they were trying to stop our
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government, which they did temporarily when we were doing our constitutionally required duties to ratify the electoral college votes for the new president. this is serious. to me it will go down in history as one of the darkest days in american history. i never thought, ever in my life i would see the capitol of the united states stormed, our vice president almost captured and the violence that happened that day. five people died including a police officer trying to defend the capitol and defend the elected officials who were working there. this is a very, very serious crime and many, many allegations have come out from not only individuals but organizations, parler. when amazon tried to stop parler and asked them to modify their language, they refused. it was clearly aimed at
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violence. >> i spoke with one of your colleagues this morning, congresswoman kelly. she said she's still keeping in touch with her colleagues every day to check in and say how are you because this is something that you all will be living with for a long time. democratic congresswoman from new york, carolyn maloney, thank you for your time. coming up in the 4 p.m. hour, david cicilline joins us live. we have breaking news about the january 6th riots. the justice department has announced new charges against a texas man who participated in the insurrection and posted online death threats we were just talking about against alexandria ocasio-cortez as well as a u.s. capitol police officer. garron miller faces five charges including trespassing and making death threats. miller tweeted assassinate aoc according to court documents. more on this as we continue today. e
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u.k. prime minister boris johnson issued a chilling warning about that new strain of covid-19. johnson confirms that some evidence shows the variant, which is here in the u.s., could be more deadly than the original strain. remember, we already knew it to be more infectious. now some studies suggesting it is 30 to 70% more transmissible. california remains crushed by the unrelenting covid crisis. single day deaths hit 736 on thursday surpassing california's previous record of 700 deaths which, by the way, it had hit just last week. the numbers are a lagging indicator of the devastating holiday surge that has killed more than 18,000 californians thus far and doubled the state's death toll in less than three months. joining me is scott cohn in san jose. is there any sense, any sign that the worst may be over?
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>> reporter: the faintest glimmers of hope, lindsay. some of the numbers are starting to at least level off from that post-holiday surge. we're seeing hospitalization rates come down just a little bit, but now fewer than 20,000 people hospitalized in the state, but you have all these other issues. you mentioned the new variants. we're seeing lots of new variants in the state and across the country, including at the hospital behind me the kaz ser personal ma then tai, they had an outbreak after christmas, 77 staff members and more than a dozen patients. they do now believe that that was the result of one of the new strains of the coronavirus. they do believe that they have this outbreak under control, but it's what they're dealing with and it's all the more reason, they say, that they need to get people vaccinated. they say here they are ready if only they can get the vaccine. >> we're constrained by the
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vaccine supply, and that really is a national level consideration and question. so the more that we can, you know, invoke the defense production act to get more vaccine supply to california and really all the states is going to be really important. i'm raising my hand. we are ready and willing to give more vaccine if it comes our way. >> reporter: california does not have the best track record thus far. the state has received a little more than 4 million doses of the vaccine and fewer than 2 million have been administered. by one measure that is dead last in the nation. lindsay? >> until those glimmers of hope grow a little bit in california. nbc scott cohn, thank you. i took no pleasure in having to sometimes publicly even with the president there to contradict what he was saying, but i felt as a scientist that i
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had to be true to myself. i would have liked to have been having the capability and the freedom to get out there and to be talking freely, but if they would not let me out there, so be it. i was still doing my job. >> that was dr. anthony fauci laying it all out there with my colleague alex witt. reaffirming science will be the guide in the biden administration's fight against the coronavirus. dr. hotez, the president signed ten executive orders this week related to the pandemic, hopefully to speed up vaccine distributions. we have testing. he insists these are long-term solutions. we still have to brace for what's ahead. what are your thoughts on the initial boost? >> i think they're really important because we're getting ready for yet another coming storm so even though you're reporting in california that maybe the hospitalizations are going down slightly and maybe
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some of the new numbers are coming down nationally, we are seeing accelerations in other parts of the country, including texas number one, and number two we're really worried now about some of these new variants. there's the california variant, the u.k. variant, the south african variant and the brazil variant coming out and the concern is these are more highly transmissible. even though the numbers are coming down, a new i don't want to call it wave, that's not quite accurate, but a new surge of cases could be coming. this really pushes us to try to vaccinate as many americans as possible. so i've been talking about vaccinating 3/4 of the u.s. population by the fall and trying to push it up to the summer, which is about three times higher than that 100 million immunizations over 100 days. we're going to have to do that over a month. >> how can we get there? >> well, you know, i've been
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putting out several part plan which includes expanding immunization hubs. the pharmacy chains and the hospital chains are doing the best they can. they're doing a good job. that's not so much the problem. there's not enough -- that's not enough band width per se. we have to open up several hubs per city including low income neighborhoods where we're seeing low income neighborhoods get this because of crowded housing and the essential nature of their work. we're also going to have to get additional vaccines up. we're not going to be able to meet this demand with the mrna vaccines alone. not robust enough and the technology to make the new doses. we have to get the two adenoviruses up. we have a recombinant vaccine that we're producing. all of those stars have to align in addition to some other factors. >> finally quickly before we let you go, drug maker eli lilly
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announced a new study saying their monoclonal antibody treatment worked successfully in preventing some nursing home cases. is that a glimmer of hope as well? >> yeah. all of the vaccines work by introducing virus antibodies. the monoclonal antibodies are virus neutralizing antibodies you give when people are at risk. the problem is they only last in the body for a few weeks. they're not a substitute for vaccination. the other problem is you have to give it by intravenous infusion. next generation we'll be able to give it by subcutaneous injection but not for now. that limits its use and it's expensive. it is proof of concept that if you do have this, you can give it to save lives. >> i need to dig out my old biology paperwork. thank you for your time.
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national football league is thanking health care heroes in a big way. they're inviting more than 7,000 vaccinated health care workers to the super bowl for free. nfl commissioner roger goodell crashed a health care call to break the good news. the super bowl will be played in tampa. most of the health care workers coming from florida, but every nfl team will also be sending health care workers from their cities. coming up, how a viral video and a diversity plan awakened the outrage of a silent majority in a texas community confronted with racism. >> my child does not even know what the word minority means but you all are going to teach it to them. >> racism in reverse is racism. (dad vo) life doesn't give you many second chances. but a subaru can. (dad) you guys ok? (avo 1) eyesight with pre-collision braking.
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three grand jurors from the breonna taylor investigation are calling for the impeachment of
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daniel cameron. they say he misrepresented keep grand jury findings. the grand jury investigated louisville police's execution of a no knock search warrant at taylor's apartment. during that search several shots were fired killing taylor. cameron announced that no officers would face charges specifically related to taylor's death. a video went viral of several white students from an elite texas high school saying a racial slur back in 2018. a council made up of more than 60 outraged parents, teachers and students began meeting and they wanted to come up with a plan to make the predominantly white school more inclusive and educated on race. rob win was one of the parents calling for change. >> children were told growing up in this school district when rosa parks died, they were told rosa parks is dead, you all have to sit at the back of the bus. my oldest son was told in sixth grade, hey, flaky, how do you get a black out of a tree?
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you cut the rope. >> this past summer nearly two years after the viral video the school board unveiled a diversity and inclusion plan with training for all students as part of the curriculum. that led to another committee being formed this time by mostly white parents slamming it as a marxist regime to create reverse racism against their children. >> how dare you teach my child about cultural competence. what makes you the authority on the definition of white privilege? >> the terms decentered whiteness and white privileges, those are racist terms. >> what's wrong with our culture now? what's this culture? the day before the vote. >> as the back and forth intensified, one mother sued the district successfully blocking the diversity plan from going ahead. that brings us to today where the year's long fight is entering the next round. joining me now to discuss is mike hicksenbah.
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incredible reporting here. what robin said was upsetting but it's the reality of what some of those kids and adults are facing. a lot of parents objecting to this diversity program are saying the school is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist but clearly parents experiencing that would say otherwise. >> yeah, that's right. i think there's a whole range of criticisms from the parents that are posing this. some parents say look you guys are trying to implement this liberal indoctrination program to fix a problem that doesn't exist. others are acknowledging that racism exists but they're saying this is not the way to address it and that they've tied this effort to this broader black lives matter movement that they feel like is forcing race into the forefront. they don't think this is the way to address it. you can see in the videos, some
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parents are flat opposed to their children or the school district teaching them about the issues and some of the terminology in the plan, such as they don't like the term micro aggressions, they don't like the idea that the student code of conduct might be amended to specifically call out these problems. >> mike, this wasn't a one-time thing. in your reporting there was a second video of them chanting the "n" word. racial slurs were spray painted on the school building and it's not just the parents, you have the superintendent of this district that says, let's just get past this. to robin that reminded her of a time we could have these difficult conversations about race, about privilege. >> yeah. i think the school district's in a very difficult place here where half the community is fighting against this and the newly appointed superintendent in his first public remarks at a school board meeting said he wanted to bring all of the sides together to try to work through
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this. and as you've noted, the two sides are on opposite -- so far apart it's hard to imagine how you can get there. so robin's reaction to that is like how -- what is the plan? how do you bring these two sides together? i'm saying we need to teach our children about these issues of racism and how to be sensitive and thought full and interact with students of color and the other side is saying, that's not even an issue to address. so it's a challenge i can imagine the difficulty of trying to sort this out and trying to bring everyone together and that's the challenge that they're facing. >> yeah, but it also isn't necessarily an example of both sides. if robin and her kids and their friends are experiencing this, it clearly is an issue. mike, quickly before we let you go because we're almost out of time, what happens next? what's the next chapter? >> well, as you mentioned, there's a lawsuit that's stopped for now. a temporary restraining order has blocked any progress on this plan and there's two school
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board seats open. the conservative south lake family's pac is backing candidates and the other side's backing candidates and this fight is going to continue into the next year. there's no clear path that's come -- that is apparent where this is going to be resolved any time soon. >> we don't usually follow school board elections but this might be an exception there. i encourage everybody to go on nbc news and read your reporting. thank you so much. >> thank you. still ahead, the former president's financial friends say you're fired as the trump brand takes a beating in the aftermath of the insurrection. a closer look at a company in crisis. sing cadet for world war ii. she was only 17. bring your family history to life like never before. get started for free at go pro at subway® for double the protein on footlong subs and the new protein bowls. and if you want to go pro like marshawn, don't let anything get in your way. here we go!
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among the many decisions facing the new biden administration is one that could finally lead to the release of donald trump's tax returns. a federal judge has given the new justice department two weeks to decide whether to continue the trump doj policy of blocking house democrats from getting
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trump's federal tax records. the judge also kept an order requiring the government to give the former president's lawyers 72 hours notice before releasing the tax return information. another crisis facing donald trump is the fate of his businesses. since the attack on the capitol three banks have said they will no longer do business with trump, bank united, signature bank and professional bank. three law firms, two real estate brokers and an ecommerce center are cutting ties. his organization lost the chance to host the 2022 pga championship and the british open, and the city of new york announced it will end its multi-million dollar contracts with the organization to run attractions at city parks including a golf course. as "the washington post" notes, trump returns to business remade in the image of the country he led, beleaguered, indebted and toxically politicized. let's bring in david fahrenthold, "washington post" reporter and nbc contributor who
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wrote that piece. i want to start with the banks cutting ties with the trump organization. what kind of impact will that have? >> in the short come it will be a huge hassle for them to find a place to put what is likely in the tens of millions of dollars. he had four banks that had majority of his deposits, three of those said he can't put his money there. it is an indication of something worse for trump, which is that he will need lenders in the next few years to refinance existing debtor take out new loans. if banks won't even hold his deposit, who is going to put their trust in him and extend him a large loan? i think that's probably more significant as a sign for the future. >> ever since the election, before the election, since the election, we have aired interviews on the channel of voters saying i support trump because he is such a good businessman. you have researched trump's finances in depth. give us a 30,000-foot look at the status of trump's
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businesses. >> it is in serious trouble. the book of trump's properties are in the leisure or travel business. the most important properties are golf resorts in scotland and florida and a big hotel in washington, d.c. already those properties were really being hit hard by covid which has decimated the travel industry. there's been lockdowns, scotland is still under a lockdown that keeps people out entirely. last year many of his businesses lost between 40% and 60% of their revenue. that's problem number one. that problem exists before the capitol riot. now you have a situation where trump makes his business a pariah. businesses, lenders, bankers, lawyers that had stuck by him through the worst parts of his presidency, through his toxic campaign in 2015 and 2016, through charlottesville in 2017 finally have said they're leaving. he will need the help of lenders and lawyers in the next couple of years to build, dig his business out of the hole. the people he used to rely on are gone. he will have to look to the "b" team, "c" team, so you get worse
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people and you probably have to pay more for their services. that puts him a hole harder to get out of. >> when he took office trump said he would keep his business and presidency separate. there's been evidence he hasn't done that, extensive reporting from your paper. what is his role in the company right now? >> well, he has come back to the company. so he said he gave away day-to-day leadership while he was the president. now he is back in charge. so his sons, particularly eric trump who ran the business in his absence, saw themselves as kind of like a holding company. they weren't going to make big, strategic decisions. they weren't going to get out of businesses or into businesses, they were sort of holding on to it until he got back. four years of decisions have been delayed until now that he has to make and the company is in a much worse positive sis. you will see potential buyers sort of circling, hoping to get his assets at a deep discount because they know he needs money. trump has to figure out if there's a way out of this, and if there's not how do i sell off my assets and pay my loans without taking too much of
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hypothesis. >> an interesting point you raise is that the fate of trump's businesses is in the hands of president biden. how so? >> it is ironic in two ways. biden's vaccine rollout is so crucial for the rebound of trump's travel businesses. there will not be a travel industry in the u.s. until there's vaccines and people can begin to move around. he needs biden's vaccine plan to work. the other thing is one of trump's biggest and most important and indebted properties is his hotel in d.c. in a federally loaned building. joe biden is his landlord now. the administration will decide whether to release documents the trump administration had been holding on to showing where the whether the hotel is working, and whether to continue the hotel business with a guy that just incited insurrection. >> do you think we will end up seeing his tax returns? >> i do i think in one way or
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another. in number state, the manhattan district attorney has asked to see trump's tax returns as part of a criminal investigation of the trump organization. the supreme court could rule on that very soon. the house democrats will keep asking for these things and there's a law that says they should be able to get them. so one of those two avenues i think is likely, more than 50% likely to produce those tax returns so we can see. >> we'll see again when that happens. david farinholt, thank you. we have a winner. a lucky lotto player in michigan won friday's $1 billion mega millions jackpot. it is the third largest jackpot since 2016. just how lucky were they? the odds of winning were less than one in 300 million. hopefully they'll give some of that away. coming up in the next hour, the second senate trial. could new revelations about trump's efforts to overturn the election impact the proceedings? plus, can president biden deliver for dreamers? we will dig in on the new administration's immigration
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