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of shows during these extraordinary times. we are grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> hi, nicole. thank you so much. we're tracking a lot of news at the end of this week. this dealing with the exact cause of george floyd's death. that's later tonight. the evidence meanwhile piling up in the trump money probe, and we have a very significant key witness joining us live tonight. you may have heard of him. former trump lawyer on "the beat" later tonight. matt gaetz now involved in this ever widening scandal. now, gaetz team is responding, quote, these allegations are blatantly false and have not been validated by a single human being willing to put their name
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behind them, end quote. all comes amidst allegations that go beyond what we just heard about and now paint more of a picture. many different outlets and reporters getting into this. there is talk of, quote, paying for sex, sex trafficking and sex with an underage girl. as noted, gaetz denies all of it. but he is speaking out, and that changes things at the end of what has been a bruising week for him. tonight gaetz making his first public appearance at the top of the next hour. that's the first time he will be facing anyone in any setting that we can see in the public since what was supposed to be a helpful but ultimately widely panned interview on fox news where tucker carlson said it was one of the weirdest interviews ever. the group sponsoring this is women for america first. it is a maga group and they're holding the event at a trump golf course in miami. trump is not doing much to defend gaetz, unless you count taking some money from that group. and there is a major sign today
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that the stakes remain quite high because gaetz has added a new set of people to his legal team and brought on a new public relations or crisis management firm to deal with all this. gaetz is in damage control made. matt has always been a fighter. he's going to fight back against the unfounded allegations against him. the pressure on gaetz, though, is growing. this entire investigation began somewhere, and it didn't begin, for example, going after matt gaetz. he earlier emphasized he saw himself as a subject, not a target. based on the available reporting, there is no reason to think it began with him as a quote target. there is no indication that the doj was simply out to get a member of congress. what we do know is that the investigation that was further along was dealing with his associate joel greenberg and we
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know he was indicted for sex trafficking and a host of other times. greenberg pled not guilty for stealing $400,000 in taxes and charges of bribing a small business administration employee. we also know he's expected to plead guilty in the coming weeks. that's the reporting you may have seen in the newspaper like "the new york times" as well as covered on "the beat" that there is signs he's pled guilty and he has a plan. that plan could involve, the possibility, of that plan including him cooperating against matt gaetz. here's greenberg's attorney when questioned on gaetz's exposure. >> does matt gaetz have anything to worry about? >> that is such a -- >> when it comes to what happened today in court? >> does he have anything to worry about. and you're asking me to get into the mind of matt gaetz, right?
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>> well, from your mind. >> from my mind. >> based on what your client does. >> based on what my client does, okay. see, i thought if i kept on talking and talking, i could avoid these questions. i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable today. >> that is the entire set of remarks that we wanted to play in full context. sometimes it takes more time in the news to give you the context. what you see is, a, a certain style of lawyering. but second you see through mood or innuendo what is not stated through the words. we were parsing a similar statement by this lawyer earlier in the week. you see a lawyer that isn't dismissing the idea that in this situation his client could do things that make him uncomfortable while he's trying
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to avoid bob and weave if he hasn't secured a final confidential deal with the government. the republican party has been pretty quiet on this. adam kinzinger is now the first to call for gaetz to resign. and the second gaetz staffer has left the building as the scandal picks up heat. we're joined by melissa murry and michelle goldberg. michelle, this is already a widening political substantive factual scandal for mr. gaetz, an ethics probe that uses a different set of standards and then there is the doj probe. what do you see here for someone who is one of the loudest avenue tars of trumpism over the last few years? >> i think it's not a coincidence that he came into office at the same time as trump
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and spent the last four years living by what he thought were trump rules, right, where you didn't have to pay attention to legal and ethical constraints on your most outlandish behavior. what they're reporting about gaetz, it is not just the alleged crimes, it is the alleged sloppiness, right? it's not just the paying for sex, but doing it on your public venmo. so i think that his political career has taken place in a climate of total impunity and now he's in a radically different world. and i don't think he's had to live by, sort of, normal political standards before. >> yeah. i think those are all great points, which may explain what could look like recklessness or stupidity to some based even on the public fact pattern before you get into charges but as you say may reflect a certain way of doing business that worked for some time for some people. it doesn't appear it will be working for him.
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professor, what did you think of the greenberg lawyer's statement there? >> well, that was the most florida of press conferences i think i've seen in a long time. i say that as someone who grew up in the sunshine state. but it seems very clear that joel greenberg is facing considerable legal jeopardy. there are 33 charges in that indictment. he is facing a mandatory minimum of 12 years. it could be decades more if he's found guilty on the other counts in the indictment. he has a lot of good reasons, 33 good reasons, to sing about matt gaetz and that's what his lawyer is saying. he's situated to spin a narrative. whether it results in a narrative against representative gaetz is another matter, but he has a lot of reasons to cooperate with the prosecution. >> michelle, james clyburn speaking out. take a listen. >> well, i certainly don't see a future for him in the congress.
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i think at some point in time he will be out of the congress. it might be good for his party for him to do it on his own rather than to take the congress to some kind of vote. >> michelle? >> i mean, i think that that's right. although, it is interesting that you have only one republican calling for him to leave. i think it is probably not a terrible thing for, you know, democrats for wants him to resign. at the same time, it is not the worst thing in the world to have him along with marjorie taylor greene as the twin faces of the republican party and matt gaetz is the ultimate avenue tar of what the republican party became in the trump years. the other thing here is that he's been accused of a bunch of crimes. he's also been accused of behavior that is not criminal but that is appalling and that congress has to deal with if
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it's going to be, you know, a remotely professional work environment at the very least, right? i mean, i don't know what the revenge porn laws are in washington, d.c., but i don't think it's criminal to show off photos of your sex partners to your colleagues. but it's just not something that should be happening on the house floor, and we're going to see if republicans agree with that even rock bottom standard of behavior. >> yeah. and as you mentioned, michelle, this has basically pulled the sort of the lid back, and there is a lot in here that is -- is worse than just, quote, unquote, florida's gonna florida. professor, there is a whole vote scandal that is indictable potentially. i want to read here from the new york times coverage indicted gaetz associate will plead guilty. and then it notes investigators have also been told of a conversation where gaetz wanted
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to siefen votes according to people familiar with the investigation. you know, how do the feds as a legal matter prioritize different things here? because you might start with something that sounds personal or that might not even have been a quote, unquote federal case to begin with. and then you find what look like evidence of not only multiple felonies, but you get into election scams and other things because it seems like there is a lot going on. >> i mean, i think they're going to do exactly what they did with the investigation of joel greenberg, right? it was not an investigation into matt gaetz. they simply followed the trail, peeled back the onion and over time these allegations surfaced. again, they have not been proven but as more and more information comes out, they may get close tore a situation where they will have enough to raise probably cause and have an indictment. i imagine as more of that comes out, we might have even more allegations, more nefariousness that will come to light.
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again, they're just doing the work right now, really peeling back all of the layers here, and it seems like there is a lot here to uncover. >> michelle, i have one more question for you. are you ready? >> okay. i'm ready. >> here we go. this is the newest thing where i ask about the next thing that's going to happen. what should we expect from congressman gaetz when he breaks his silence at this women for america event at the trump hotel tonight? >> i'm sure you're going to hear the word deep state, cancel culture or at least i would bet money that you would hear deep state, cancel culture. i think the sort of play book is pretty standard at this point. at one point, gaetz said, you know, they're not coming for me. they're coming for you. i'm just in the way, which is just verbatim at what trump has said. i think he's just going to take the trump play book and repeat it. >> that's, i think, a very
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reasonable assessment given recent precedent. while michelle was speaking, we were looking at that live shot as they're setting up for the event tonight. michelle goldberg and melissa murray, thanks for kicking us off tonight. >> thank you. >> thanks. thanks to both of you. coming up in just 30 seconds, we turn to this key testimony in the chauvin trial. the expert who performed george floyd's autopsy. important stuff. we're back in 30 seconds. (man) i'm phoning it in and just saved twenty percent. (burke) get your policy perks by calling 1-800-farmers. go ahead, phone it in. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ [ heavy breathing ] allergies with nasal congestion overwhelming you? breathe more freely with powerful claritin-d. claritin-d improves nasal airflow two times more than the leading allergy spray at hour one. [ deep inhale ] claritin-d. get more airflow.
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turning now to new key testimony in the chauvin murder trial. the county medical examiner, andrew baker, who was the person that examined george floyd formally right after his death took the stand explaining why he ruled that george floyd's death was a homicide in that autopsy. >> as a medical examiner we apply the term homicide when the actions of another individual were involved in an individual's death. in my opinion, the law enforcement sub dual restraint and the neck compression was just more than mr. floyd could take by virtue of those heart conditions. >> that's important. and we want to be clear so everyone understands what's happening. that is a medical determination. homicide in the medical sense is different from a legal definition or a legal finding, which of course is what this whole trial is about.
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the forensic pathologist said floyd likely only died because of officer chauvin compressing the knee on his neck. >> there is no evidence to suggest he would have died that night except for the interactions with law enforcement. >> we're joined now by a criminal civil rights attorney who has been covering this trial as an analyst for us. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> this was a key day in this trial. i have mentioned to viewers there were some very dramatic days. there were days more dry in the technical testimony. and this day i would put more medium high key because we're getting the question here. i would break it down simply into two questions at this kind of trial. one, did the defendant cause the death. and then, two, was it a justified cause of death or not? you can point to policing in a live shooting situation where
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fire is exchanged with a live shooter and they cause the death and it is deemed legal. as for that question one, what did you think of those two experts we just showed on whether chauvin did indeed cause the death of george floyd? >> these two experts we had today were very definitive in what they thought the cause of death were. our me dr. baker did not vary. it seems the state was aware he doesn't vary outside of what he is trained to do. he is not giving any opinions about, you know, what he considers living persons and the affect on the living body. they had already prefaced what they knew he would go to. he mentioned i would have a pathologist. i would have a pulmonologist. we had already heard their opinions. this was layered very well for his testimony today. >> uh-huh. there was also the discussion of something that was so brutally horrific to watch. americans know that, how slow it was.
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so the discussion of whether this was a sudden or not sudden dying process. let me show that part. >> i was aware that at least one video had gone viral on the internet, that i intentionally chose not to look at that until i had examined mr. floyd. i did not want to bias my examine by going in with any preconceived notions that might lead me down one pathway or another. >> what i observed from all of these videos is this was not a sudden death. there was nothing sudden about his death. so that's what i would have expected if it was a cardiac arrhythmia or abnormal beating of the heart. likewise, it was not the type of death that has been reported in fentanyl overdose, for example, where someone becomes very sleepy and then just sort of gradually calmly, peacefully stops breathing. this was not that kind of a death. >> as grim as this is, it is so
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important. walk us through legally why it matters that both there was this discussion of the nature of the timing of the death and why that could rule out what might be reasonable doubt according to at least the prosecution here of alternative explanations of death substantially caused by drugs. >> because the defense is looking for anything else that may give the cause of death. they're focussing on the drugs, the hypertension, these other instances that could have created this death. what these witnesses have done is taken each of those other things and ruled them out. they have looked at it and con texturalized it in the death, the affect on the body and the organs and what happened to him. so they did a very good job in providing that context for the medical conclusions that they had. >> yeah. as mentioned, this is part one. part two is whether in any way it could be smu justified. but as to the causal part, it
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looked like a medical slam dunk. we'll see what the defense has when they bring up their witnesses beyond just these crosses. thanks for joining us here in what is a difficult but important process. thank you for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> appreciate it. we have a lot more in our friday night program here. including responding to our reporting about how republicans are losing their own voters to biden. i will bring you that new response tonight. also, john boehner going after ted cruz but also lamenting the modern republican party that he created. but first, congressman gaetz threatened michael cohen. now gaetz is in free fall. we will check in with, yes, michael cohen learning to "the beat" live after this. ve after . r and outdoor allergens.
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welcome back. we have been tracking this big story across washington all week. republican congressman and staunch trump ally matt gaetz facing a new ethics committee violation. gaetz denied all wrongdoing. but this is actually the second time the young, relatively new congressman has faced an ethics review. statistically most members never face a single one. but in 2019 an ethics probe focussed in on gaetz publically
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appearing to hassle or threaten a witness, michael cohen who used to work for trump. many views it as an attempt to hassle this witness before he provided testimony to the witness. >> does your tweet amount to witness tampering not. >> actually not. it is witness testing. >> could people see your as a threat. >> it did admonish gaetz for failing to, quote, exercise reasonable judgment and restraint. we should note it did not finds that gaetz was guilty of actually conducting witness tampering or witness intimidation of that valuable witness at the time, according to house investigators michael cohen. joining us now is michael cohen who was formerly a lawyer for
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donald trump. >> how are you doing, ari. yeah. i gave myself a little rest and relaxation for a few weeks. >> hey, we can all use it these days. good to have you back, sir. as i mentioned, you were considered a valuable witness in that proceeding as well as in the mueller probe, as well as up with the new york d.a. we'll get to that because it's newsworthy. but let's start with mr. gaetz. you both have something in common in that at one time you both have supported donald trump. what do you think of him, given your past clash, and what do you think he's learning right now that donald trump is not doing a thing to help him? >> well, he's learning nothing. but gaetz's behavior was so brazen and so stupid that it actually boggles the mind because the only reasonable explanation for his behavior is that he felt that he would be protected by donald trump and his corrupt justice department. so he must have been petrified when trump lost the election simply because now he was exposed. but you know what a lot of
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people don't take into consideration is donald trump is alleged to have done similar things with young women. so was rudy giuliani in the borat movie with sasha baren cohen's daughter in the movie, right? this was all going on during the campaign anyway. corey lewandowski had his tryst. rick gates had his twist. they're following donald trump's play book. as i explained before the house oversight committee that i know the play book and it didn't work for me and it's certainly not going to work for you. to matt gaetz really needs to smarten up and understand that he's in very serious trouble. >> what did you think of the new york times report that had multiple sources saying mr. gaetz was seeking a blanket pardon for what conduct i suppose only he would know in his mind that he wanted a
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pardon. >> good luck. if donald trump wasn't going to benefit from that pocket pardon, then there is no way that he was going to get it. i actually have to give a lot of credit to "the new york times" as well as to "the daily beast" for uncovering this because, you know, this thing is great fodder for "saturday night live" and all of the comedians because if you think about it, right, ari, the best part of this is the fact gaetz actually paid for sex using venmo and then titled the payments tuition and school. this dope should have linked his instagram account to his seeking arrangements account. that's how stupid he is. and his venmo account is on open public meaning everybody can see what transactions are going on. and, yet, this is the representative that the people of florida have chosen? i don't get it. >> i'm going to put up a text
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here on the screen. this came up from the ethics probe where hannity is talking to matt gaetz. hannity says, it's smart to pull down this thing about you. it will be pass. maybe send a note to michael privately. can you shed any light on that? and what do you think to critics, past critics of yourself included and hannity and gaetz that it feels sometimes like there is a game in public where folks are interviewing, you know, hannity is interviewing this or that person via gaetz or saying to you he's going to ask you questions and then it turns out you have some sort of lawyer-client relationship. he's advising gaetz behind the scenes. what light can you shed on all of this? >> well, i thought it was very disingenuous of shawn. one day he's calling me trying to pretend to be my body, having me on. basically he was using trump to
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the same extent trump was using him. and, so, when gaetz finally realized he was in big trouble with the ethics department, he of course turned to shawn hannity showing that he was a friend of mine and then he -- shawn is actually the one who drafted the apology to me telling him to send it to me knowing i would accept the analogy because i didn't parly care much about matt gaetz. what i cared about was the fact that it hurt my family, and that was something i was not going to put up with. >> just quickly, you're saying that shawn hannity was playing both of you, but he was actually writing the apology you were going to get os stensively from gaetz? >> that's correct. that's correct. i think it's really terrible. if shawn was smart, he would have told him, step away from politics. find yourself a fox or newsmax and take over that chris hansen
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role on -- you know, reboot the program on "to catch a predator" because i think matt gaetz would be perfect for the role. >> according to what you are saying, it is shawn hannity playing on the side, which is a little odd. the text or cob rates some of that because he's in this role helping a member of congress. this from the former daughter-in-law of allen weisselberg. you were in a knowledgeable place here. in fact, you testified previously about why weissen berg was key. this was to congress. >> in the office with me was allen weisselberg, the chief financial officer of the trump organization. allen weisselberg made the decision. that was allen weisselberg on the check. mr. weisselberg for sure.
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>> what do you know about where this investigation is going? what, if anything, can you tell us relevant to the fact that you have been cooperating and testified several times? >> right. so obviously the cooperation is not over. the district attorney's office has millions of pages of documents. without the documents provided by jen weisselberg, without the additional documents that i am providing and have provided, they have millions of pages of tax documents and so on mr. trump's, the trump organization and other people. i really don't want to get into the sum and substance of the topics. though, many have been already discussed and provided and information provided by the press because i really want to respect the process and respect mark pomeranz who has a heck of a job in front of him. he complimented the trump organization on the hiring of a
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very well seasoned criminal defense attorney. but the problem for him, the problem for donald trump and the trump organization is that the truth is the truth and that the truth will always come out, to which case it doesn't matter who your lawyer is. you may have mark mukasi, which is the lawyer trump recommended now to matt gaetz. what's the difference? i mean, the bottom line is the documents, the records exist. you know, one of the things nicole wallace talked about was that i had flipped. first of all, i didn't flip. that's actually inaccurate. i pled guilty. but when i was providing the testimony, ari, i was providing it under oath. i was providing it based upon a subpoena by congress. and that was -- that's not flipping. i got no benefit from the information that i gave.
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i ended up pleading guilty, and i received zero benefit by the judge when it came to sentencing time. actually, i believe that i was, you know, very harshly sentenced. and that's why i have my current writ of hab yus kor bus out there which i'm seeking to remove myself from home confinement. >> well, that's all very interesting. i will say legally part of what you said is certainly true. we covered it at the time the way that some other folks in the mueller probe got off far lighter than you while you did provide testimony. but as you say, it was not pursuant to some automatic deal, which is part of what goes into the sentence. we had lenny davis on about that as well. you clashed with gaetz. you worked for trump. you are dealing with some of the same over lapping issues in the new york investigation. so, michael, you remain legally relevant in so many ways and we thank you for being a witness on "the beat" tonight. >> i want to say one thing.
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i hope that at the end of the day this resolves quickly for matt because i don't want him to miss the prom. i hope that the pain that he's going through is just a smidgen of the pain he put my family through. >> got it. well, we're moving forward, michael. again, thank you for coming on. i got a lot more in the program. john boehner ripping into maga. he's using the term political terrorist, but does he have any credibility on this. he has a big book and we have to fact check. that's next. e to fact check that's next. how's that? get...get mom. [ding] power e*trade gives you an award-winning app with 24/7 support when you need it the most. don't get mad. get e*trade and start trading today. advil dual action fights pain 2 ways. it's the first and only fda approved combination of advil plus acetaminophen. advil targets pain. acetaminophen blocks it.
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during an emergency. we are back with former obama polling guru and msnbc analyst. he's got the whole setup in his house. i see the lure behind you.
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>> it's the jesse, which i actually stole from the dnc, but don't tell anyone. >> we won't tell. i don't know if you just did. this is live. i don't know if you know that about tv. >> is this on yet? >> yeah. this is television. i don't know if you remember when scarface and jay-z teamed up and said guess what's back, but that's how i'm feeling about john boehner complaining about partisanship in the modern day gop. he name checked a bunch of people. i want to play a little byte of the rhetoric. take a look. >> jim jordan especially, my colleague from ohio. >> cornell, your response, is this on the level of the way he acted when he had power?
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>> a couple things. one, first, ari, have you seen the cover for his book? we have to start there where he's, you know, coffin clean and sharp in his suit and he has a glass of wine and he's got smoke in the air. i wasn't sure if he was dropping a book or a '70s r&b album. it looks like he could be barry white from that book cover. so let's start with there. john boehner is a free man. although, i got to tell you, and i would have gone with what's beef on this one because he clearly has beef with a lot of the gop, particularly ted cruz and he's probably going to ask ted cruz to start his jeep. >> can i get in on that? >> yes, please. >> was it not biggie who said, what's beef. beef is when you need two freedom caucuses to go to sleep.
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>> so and speaking of which, no, i don't think he has a lot of credibility on this, ari, because you remember 2011 with a guy whose campaign i worked on. the obama white house thought they had a grand deal on the budget. and these same characters that john boehner is now accusing of hijack and of the party and for terrorism on the party, he caved into and didn't move the country forward on a grand deal when obama was putting a lot on the table talking about cuts to a lot of programs that, quite frankly, democrat constituencies did not want to cut. >> yeah. >> and john boehner backed away from that grand deal. >> yeah. and i just have 20 seconds. but he also says that he now realizes impeaching clinton was too partisan and the wrong thing to do but he supported it at the time. >> you know, it's amazing how so many of these republicans are finding religion now that they don't have to face republican
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primary voters again, be it john boehner or even pat toomey who wants to put deals now. look, they are being held here. they are being held hostage, being held hostage by the republican base. i wish he had showed that sort of courage and integrity. >> right. >> while he was speaker of the house. >> right. when he -- when he had the power. and that's the point that i think is important. we wanted to give people a little bit of a fact check in obama history given this will be everywhere for a minute in politics. thank you. we have the top republican in the house currently responding to a beat special report. and there is some good news in there for biden and his agenda. we will give you that. it is a new exclusive for the first time on "the beat". i want to turn to some bad news in music. dmx died today at age 50 after a cardiac arrest. dmx went from the rap scene to explode into mainstream music with his hit '98 album. he was the first artist to ever
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see his first five albums all hit number one. his lyrics were raw and blunt, recounting solitary confinement in prison. he rapped the two years in a box revenge the plots, the 23 hours that's locked, the one hour that's not. and he lamented violence and death in his community, talking about the funerals, the wakes, the churches, the coffins, the heart broke mothers, it happens too often. dmx was unsparing about his own battles with drugs and demons. he had his own alter ego in his songs, a demon named damien, urging his young fans to try to find god instead of turning to drugs or violence and mixed his work with earnest spiritual prayers. >> we thank you for this gathering of souls. >> god, thank you for the love you give me. why? i don't know. i don't reserve it. and it hurts inside. many a nights i cried and called your name outloud.
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in a recent special report we were exploring the biden republicans as a possible echo to the famed reagan democrats. sometimes our own beat reports seem to make news. over at fox news, they ran a new piece responding to our report with new reaction from some top republicans in washington. senator backburn arguing regardless of what gops support, she argues that republicans did not support biden's support bill. and kevin mccarthy protested with his view that joe biden isn't reagan, offering a different comparison, democratic president jimmy carter and say his policies amount to pandering to his left wing base. all interesting points. we have invited leader mccarthy
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on the beat. come on down and join us. let's discuss. something about biden's appeal to republican voters is striking a cord here, be it with fox news writing it up or these folks speaking up. the senator's response is consistent with the whole point of our report, that biden is pressing mcconnell and other republican senators precisely by offering plans that are popular with their own voters. 59% of voters on the stimulus, while not a single republican senator voted for it. as she notes, senator, that's the whole problem for some republicans. this new jobs infrastructure debate is heating up. republicans seem to support key parts of that as well. we will stay on this story. it is brewing up as a big important policy clash in washington. now, when we come back, our friend on some bad news for the nra and country star braid paisley makes his beat debut
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it's been a long week, friday on the beach and you know it's time to fall back. we have two amazing guests tonight. country music legend brad paisley known for hits like "whiskey lullaby" and "when i get where i'm going." three grammys, 32 top ten singles on the billboard charts. wow. a record for the most consecutive singles hitting top spot on the country music spot and collaborated with everyone from mick jagger to timberland and sold over 11 million albums. when the pandemic hit he opened a nonprofit grocery store providing over 1 million meals in the first year alone. shout-out to that. joining us also a friend of "the beat" elise jordan veteran of the bush administration, foreign
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policy expert and a "time" magazine contributor. great to you have both here. how you guys doing? >> good. >> thanks for having us. >> good. i'm great. a lot to get to, brad. we like to kind of open up, look at different types of stories here end of the week. what's on your mind for a fall back? >> so i saw this story about these, i think they were morgue workers in new york, in the city, that were taking the, the credit cards of the deceased. and, yeah. there they are. stole credit cards from dead people, and i think that's about the worst thing i've heard in a while. >> yeah. brad, i mean, that's very low, and, new york, like a lot of places, dealing with, of course, what? the "new york times" called it the deadliest year in american history. people are desperate but that is really low. since i mentioned it, briefly,
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curious. you're busy, a busy person. what got you so motivated to jump right in beginning of this uncertain time and do so much in your community? >> well, i mean, we got lucky, because we were, i say "lucky." unlucky is really the right word. we were working on this charity for the last five years and we got our permit to open our free grocery store for folks that sort of fall on hard times. the first week of march. and we opened. >> hmm, wow. >> for a couple of days operated like they watt would and all of a sudden had to switch and become this place that does deliveies for the elderly, sort of hands out the food in a different manner than how we would have a shopping experience for people, but luck and divine intervention sort of are entered into it. >> interesting. you see it that way.
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unlucky, but lucky to the in the position you wanted to do. elise, topics including what's going on in washington. the swamp still seems sometimes alive and well. what's on your fallback list? >> i'm going to say wayne law pierre, please, go away now. just make it end somehow. he revealed that he had to escape to a yacht, because he felt scared. so i guess when he was heading the nra he didn't actually learn how to handle a weapon, which is just embarrassing for him that his calls, it seems, he really just wanted to run away on a yacht, which is quite frankly i would love to do that, too. but he's just a cancer toowners to go away now. >> it is a rich and layered story. the gun debate is complex. not going to resolve it in this moment, but someone who said for so long, this is self-defense and safety to defend what looks
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like potential corruption on the yacht. safety is rich. but as they say, washington you know -- from the gutter to you is not out for some of these folks. brad, what else might be on your list this week? >> did you see the story on the guy that got his last paycheck? they held off paying him for a while. an auto worker. at an auto shop. and he demanded his last paycheck so they delivered it, in 91,500 pennies covered in what seemed like transmission fluid, left it in his driveway. breaking no laws doing that, but -- man. i mean, that's like another level -- i wish that was, like, a fun print but it's not. >> exactly. think about the creative aspect of the revenge. i guess that's, it's just wild. as you say, maybe technically got away with it. brad, you seem like such a
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kind-hearted person. i'm going to make a little confession here on tv. i've never done 90,000 pennies but sometimes save up the spare change and buy one coffee with my change. is that okay? or would you also tell that to fallback? >> i think that's okay, except they hate you. at starbucks. they hate you. they dread seeing you come in, but it's like -- i've thought about this for employees that i dearly love. i've always been the type if i love you, i prank you. and one of my opening acts -- >> right. >> -- when we finally get back on the road here soon, one of my opening acts is getting paid in pennies. i can't wait. >> okay. there you go. elise, any quick thoughts on the spare change? >> oh, wow. you just really would have to dislike your ex-employee to go to that much trouble. i mean, isn't everyone always just trying to get rid of their pennies? this guy goes to the trouble, like $950 or something?
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whoa. >> how do you secure, get ahold of that many pennies? yeah. now i know. now that brad paisley told me and i feel you have a good read on people now i know how unpopular i am in that starbucks. elise, 40 seconds. final fallback? >> the other fallback is just people littering beaches with thei ppe. come on, people. we know what straws do, what the six pack holders do when we cut them. just don't let the ppe be on the beach and hurt the turtle and hurt the little nice sea mammals and so on. >> yeah. and it's a -- some sort of, may be a theme tonight. a cyclical thing. started with shortages of things, right? and sant tizer, everything else. trying to get to the other side of this now at the point of surplus, but it's like everything else. if you have a disposable mask, dispose of it in the right place and cloth ones are nice because
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you can re-use. a little news we can use. elise and brad, thanks for ending the week with us. >> thrilled to have. thanks for having me. a lot of fun and have fun this weekend. get out there. >> yes, sir. you, too, brad paisley. elise, thank you very much. >> thanks, ari. >> all learned good penny etiquette if nothing else. thanks. that does it for "the beat" see you monday 6:00 p.m. eastern and "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. were good evening, everyone. we've got a big show for this friday night and in a little while talking with former obama speechwriter john fabbro. and cnn anchor don lemon is here. crossing the networks, talking about his new book on race in america. matt gaetz facing mounting pressure the first republican lawmaker has called on him top resign. the house ethics committee says it is opening an


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