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into sex trafficking, as well as allegations of payments for sex and possible corruption. a couple of hours ago, he took the stage at a save america event held at the trump doral hotel. >> i'm built for the battle and i'm not going anywhere. the smears against me range from distortions of my personal life to wild and i mean child conspiracy theories. i won't be intimidated by a lying media, and i won't be extorted. the truth will prevail. when you see the leaks and the lies and the falsehoods, and the smears, when you see the anonymous sources and insiders forecasting my demise, know this.
they aren't really coming for me. they're coming for you. >> earlier today, the house ethics committee announced its own investigation into gaetz. his office responded that once again, they will reiterate, these allegations are blatantly false. he's hired two new york defense attorneys, including one who has also represented the trump organization. the white house is looking to the future of the supreme court. the president ordering a 180-day study on potentially adding more seats, and whether there should be term limits for justices. the president today also
unveiled parts of his first budget proposal. this would be on top of his $1.9 trillion package, and a separate plan to spend $2.3 trillion on the nation's infrastructure. >> i look toward to working with congress to advance these. hopefully we'll have some bipartisan support. >> this was also day ten of the derek chauvin trial. jurors heard from the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on george floyd. saying floyd's death was a homicide. >> as a medical examiner we apply the term homicide when other individuals were involved in another person's death. >> but under cross-examination, he did note other factors may
have contributed to floyd's death. >> in your opinion, both the heart disease as well as the history of hypertension and the drug -- the drugs that were in his system played a role in mr. floyd's death? >> in my opinion, yes. >> the jury also heard from a pathologist who agreed with the overall finding. she was definitive when it came to the role of the police. >> in this case, i believe the primary mechanism of death is asphyxia or low oxygen. there's no evidence to suggest he would have died that night, except for the interactions with law enforcement. >> the defense is expected to begin presenting its case
sometime next week. as for the still ongoing battle against the pandemic, covid cases are still rising across the nation. pfizer is now asking the fda to allow its vaccine for kids ages 12 to 15. that comes after deliveries of johnson & johnson's vaccine are expected to drop by more than 80% next week due to ongoing manufacturing problems. >> on johnson & johnson, and company is working closely with the fda to resolve any manufacturing issues. they reiterate their commitment to provide at or near 100 million doses by the end of may. >> with that, let's bring in our guests, peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times." eugene daniels from politico,
and danny savalas, an attorney. great to have you here on a friday night. let's start in florida. peter, matt gaetz clearly is taking a page out of the donald trump crisis playbook. maybe ignoring the fact that using the playbook cost trump his job. but give us the big picture. what is the gaetz strategy, and how does or does not trump play into it? >> well, of course, congressman gaetz wants to make this all about trump and the anti-trump fervor. trying to associate himself with the trump base, of whom he's been a leading champion in the last four years. saying it's all political, all the same kind of persecution that they went after the president that the supporters all admire. the problem is, he's not actually been embraced by many of the figures in trump's world.
trump himself has only issued a two-sentence statement saying, no, he didn't directly ask me for a blanket pardon. he didn't say he believed him or that he's being unfairly treated. he didn't come to congressman gaetz's defense in any way. you see the congressman trying to put himself in that position as yet another victim, that people are out to get him like the trump view. >> and for everybody who hasn't been following the story, this comes on the heels of joel greenberg, the seminole county tax collector. his lawyer suggesting he'll make a deal with prosecutors, saying i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable today. michael cohen issuing a kind of warning for him earlier tonight.
>> he's learning nothing but gaetz's behavior was so brazen and so stupid, it actually boggles the mind. the only reasonable explanation for his behavior is that he felt that he would be protected by donald trump and his corrupt justice department. so he must have been petrified when trump lost the election. they're following donald trump's playbook. as i explained, before the house oversight committee, that i know the playbook and it didn't work for me. and it certainly won't work for you. so matt gaetz really needs to smarten up and understand he's in very serious trouble. >> so we did report, eugene, gaetz has hired a couple of big-time lawyers and a pr firm with a former contestant from "the apprentice." what do you think we'll see, he seems to be organizing his troops. >> i think we'll see more of the
same. you saw him in the speech you guys showed, as peter was saying, he doesn't seem to be going anywhere. he's doing the trump thing of doubling down, tripling down, flooding the zone. more importantly, daring people to come after him, right? and some of my colleagues got in contact with some people who claim to be representing gaetz, asking questions or talking about the relationship between former president trump and gaetz could get them sued. so it's all of the same vein. and this idea that gaetz is going to hide, he's going to go away, he's going to continue to go out, he's going to continue to go tweet and talk to people. even if a lawyer would probably tell you during this time to not do things like that. more importantly, what we talked
about earlier, the house ethics committee talking about the investigation into these things that are happening, these allegations, that doesn't usually happen unless the justice department says they're doing something. and they have yet to do so. there's a lot going on here. and also minority leader mccarthy also not supporting him. calling them serious allegations, and if they're true, he will be pulled from his committee assignments. he's having a hard time finding friends, but republicans are not calling for his resignation just yet, and that's something he'll hold on to. >> danny, what are you watching for? we're looking for whether or not there will be a plea deal. we're looking for what the next move might be by prosecutors. but big picture, if there are these discussions going on, what kind of conversations are they, and how long could it be before
we know? >> here's the key. among the many federal laws that address what matt gaetz is being investigated for, it involves illegal sexual activactivities. for now, the only information that is being reported is that, yes, matt gaetz may have paid money through venmo or some other app that may have ended up in the hands of women. no real crime yet. but will any of these people, including this greenberg character or any of the women, will they turn on him? will they enter into a plea deal and will they become cooperating witnesses against matt gaetz? because that is the biggest factor. there is nothing so devastating to a criminal defendant than one
of your old buddies or someone you knew coming into court. even though they're under a plea deal, and they're only there to benefit themselves, there's something about them pointing at your client and saying, that's the guy that done did it that really resonates with a jury. >> so, simultaneously, we have the house looking into this, not only sexual misconduct, and whether or not he shared inappropriate images with other house members on the floor of the house. what else are we likely to learn from this, and what will that mean for matt gaetz? >> i think the ethics committee will see what the prosecutors do before coming to a conclusion of their own. they don't have the resources or tools to do the kind of investigation that the prosecutors are able to do. it's not like they're going to call matt gaetz's running buddy
or the women. so they'll open a case so if there are charges and if there is progress towards this case, they can move in and perhaps issue some sort of a judgment of some sort. but i think the real case, the real worry for gaetz is the criminal side of this. that's where he faces serious jeopardy. >> danny, there's more reporting on the manhattan d.a. looking into donald trump. and "the washington post" reports tonight about payments to a ceo's son. trump's company paid a skating rink manager more than $200,000 annually, and $40,000 bonuses according to testimony and financial documents. much like gaetz, they're reporting that prosecutors are moving to secure allen
weisselberg's cooperation. where could this be going? >> there's no question that in the past months, there have been major troop movements in the manhattan d.a.'s office, bringing on people specially suited for this white collar style investigation of the trump company's finances. but the key in ascribing criminal responsibility to someone like trump is showing that he knew about or was willfully blind to these activities, if they end up being criminal activities. as with many large companies, there's many strata of people who could be responsible. and the key for prosecutors is going all the way up that ladder and somehow connecting the guy at the top to the bad behavior. if they can do that, if he was aware of and condoned it, and there was something untoward, they may have a crime. you see them looking into tax records, business records, it could be something as simple as
inflating your value to get favorable loans, and deflating the value when the taxman cometh. >> and there are other things that don't involve court cases, but in this case involve the highest court in the land, with president biden ordering the 180-day study of adding seats to the supreme court. is this going anywhere? >> no, i don't think it's going anywhere. if you wanted to do something like this, you don't appoint a commission to take 180 days to study it without maing any recommendations. this is just out there to fulfill his campaign promise to look at it. he knows he's only got a 50/50 senate with the vice president breaking the tie. he barely has a majority of democrats in the house. the last president who tried to pack the court was fdr, didn't work well in his favor. and he had a lot bigger
majority. so i don't think it's intending to go anywhere. it's just to satisfy the progressive wing of his party, which is frustrated that a seat was stolen from them, as they view it, with merrick garland in 2016. but i think this is more for show than a serious initiative at this point. >> no show here, the more immediate of biden's challenge is the budget proposal. on top of the $1.9 trillion stimulus package, $2.3 trillion on infrastructure. what is he going to get? >> probably not what he's looking for. when presidents put out their budget, the congress says that's nice and does what it wants. right now, you have a congress that has been working mostly in lockstep with this president. only three months into this
presidency. but what is really fascinating is that as you look at all the trillions of dollars that biden wants to spend, he's leaning into this ide that the government should be bigger. that's the only way to grow and see to the success of the country. economic success, ways to pull people out of poverty, and that is something that is a little bit risky. however, after the year where people have seen the government do things that they haven't before, that has been very popular. i think the biden administration and democrats writ large are counting on people, even republicans, to maybe be re-thinking the way we think about government. it's a bet for him to make, like peter was saying, a slim majority in the house, and barely a majority in the senate. so something to watch as he
pushes all this money. this tells us what he wants to do as president, when it comes to things that are not reactionary. infrastructure, it's looking at things that are already broken and need to be fixed. this is something we'll all be watching and seeing if congress agrees with him on it. >> and how much mojo he gets out of his approval ratings, which remain well over 50%. eugene, peter, great to see you. danny will stay with us. coming up, more on the disturbingly familiar things from the defense in the derek chauvin trial. and later, two political insiders will join us for a look at the challenges facing the gop. "the 11th hour" is just getting under way on a friday night.
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>> witnesses agreeing it was pressure on george floyd's neck that led to his death. yet chauvin's defense attorney once again pressed doctors on his past drug use and the condition of his heart. drawing parallels to a long history of painting black men killed by police as criminals. joining us now, the host of the podcast, undistracted. and with the presence of drugs in george floyd's system, what did you hear in terms of the focus of this trial by the defense? >> i heard the same thing i heard when i read a headline
back in 2014 that called michael brown jr., who was killed by ferguson police officer darren wilson, no angel. this repetitive engagement of placing the victims of police violence on trial, especially when they're black and they're black men, as vox already said, that is repeated history in this country. i think it was important that earlier in this trial, the judge very clearly stated that there was only certain testimony that he was going to allow in because we should all be getting the message that george floyd is not on trial. that's part of the reason why on my podcast and in other spaces, i'm very clear to name this the derek chauvin trial. because george floyd is not the person here who engaged in a criminal act and it cost somebody their life. in fact, he's the one who continues to suffer, as does his family. so this is repeated for us. we knew this was coming. because it always does.
and it's important for the judge and for this country to hold the line. >> there's another part of this, too. the first of it being the drugs, the bad heart. but the second part is this angry mob theory, which i'd like you to address. the people yelling concern george floyd were somehow making the police pay less attention to what was happening with floyd. >> if police are unable to do their job, when passersby are trying to save someone's life, what are we paying millions and millions to train them for? the idea that people licensed to carry guns shouldn't be held to a higher standard, if it does not play out, you can't convince me there's some great distraction that doesn't allow
you to do your job. fundamentally, they continue to grow their budget, but then people like derek chauvin say it was impossible for him to do his job humanely because people were taking issue with him putting his knee on the neck of a man for almost nine minutes. either he followed his training and derek and the other officers and the entire institution of policing are guilty, or he went beyond the scope of his training, but his fellow officers just stood there and watched and endangered others who tried to stop them. which also means that chauvin and the other officers are guilty. no matter what the outcome is, we have to continue to hold the system accountable. >> and let us not forget, it's one of those folks who was standing on the sidewalk who took the video that made george floyd a household name. who may well have meant that this went to trial.
it was fascinating to hear this from the pathologist who was on the stand, dr. lindsay thomas. >> there's never been a case that i've been involved with that had videos over such a long time frame, and from so many different perspectives. >> the thing about the videos, danny, is they're so powerful. but they're backed up by medical and eyewitness testimony. an expert going through what george floyd had to endure. do you think the defense made any progress today? is there a gap in the case that you're looking for prosecutors to fill on monday? >> the defense made a little headway today, but that was to be expected. we all knew for some time that baker, the medical examiner, had
made some statements that the prosecution probably wasn't too thrilled with. that's why you see them calling him after two powerful scientific experts. and then they call up baker, who said things in his report that weren't so great for the prosecution. and the defense made a little headway by asking, were drugs a factor in the death? and he had to admit, yes, they were. but the defense has to get past the idea that the knee in neck was a substantial factor. in minnesota, that's enough for a conviction. the defense in a way has the burden. which is a rare thing, because
they never have the burden. but they have to show the knee in the neck and back was not a factor. that's why they're talking about his heart and the causation defense. if they're successful -- >> danny, so -- >> -- then causation is a get out of jail free card. >> thanks to both of you. coming up, in the words of one prominent newspaper, republican roads lead to mar-a-lago. we'll talk about that, when "the 11th hour" continues. the patented blend is clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels. boost glucose control products contain high quality protein and key nutrients to support immune health. try boost. - hi, i'm steve. - i'm lea. and we live in north pole, alaska. - i'm a retired school counselor. i swim every day. i like to grill, salmon mostly.
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former president trump's mar-a-lago club has a busy weekend ahead. "the washington post" reports the rnc has reserved it for a 400-person banquet. the gop is still donald trump's party. the clearest proof of that, it's still finding ways to pay donald trump money. back with us tonight, jason johnson, campaign veteran and journalist. bill krystol, a veteran of the reagan and bush administrations and editor at large of the
bulwark. jason, give me your assessment. how much power does donald trump still have over the republican party? >> he has all the power until they can come up with another leader. the people who are the supposed heir apparents of donald trump, josh hawley, ted cruz, desantis, none of them have the charisma or "q" rating or reputation of donald trump. it's not uncommon for the last president from that party to be the party leader. the problem is, he's hated, disgraced, and loathed by a large part of the population. so i don't know why republicans keep going to the same well. but i don't think they have a lot of ideas. and we saw that last fall. they literally had no party platform other than reaffirming their loyalty to donald trump.
>> you have a message for them, bill, with this group you work with called the republican accountability project. this new ad you have out. i want to play a little bit of it. >> lindsey graham, marco rubio, kevin mccarthy, ron johnson. what are they doing this weekend? they're going to mar-a-lago to kiss donald trump's ring. pledge their loyalty to a man who tried to cancel our democracy. turning the republican party to the immorality party. >> bill, are there still people who don't have a firm enough idea about trump? what can something like this be able to accomplish? >> i think it's a useful
reminder of how much the party remains trump's party, despite everything he did. not just the handling of the pandemic, but the big lie, and the january 6th insurrection, and yet, and yet. we have matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene, and all those characters. but lindsey graham and marco rubio, ron johnson, and kevin mccarthy. these are the, five years ago, you would have said this is the mainstream of the republican party, and it is the mainstream of the republican party. hopefully an ad like this can cause a few people to think, is this where we want to go? they were willing to defend him, but do they want to stick with this? >> time after time, they've had
an opportunity to step up, including after the insurrection at the capitol. i mean, you've got gaetz, who is defiant tonight. adam kinzinger is the only one calling on him to step down. we're old enough to remember when a sex scandal could take down a politician. what is the gaetz situation going to tell us about congressional and senate republicans? >> well, i can see jason is ready to say something. no, it's terrible. who has even criticized him? is this suitable behavior for a member of congress? what about the grift of the trump fund-raising. having to give back $120 million, the ads that went to the republican congressional committee, where they automatically sign you up each
month, and double your contribution, and say if you don't check this box, then you're defecting from donald trump. we're going to tell him about it. the thuggishness, the cult of personality, the creepiness, that's gone from trump throughout the party. >> and matt gaetz is, jason, fund-raising off of this. comparing what he's going through to the russia hoax. >> yeah. well, i'm not surprised by any of this. if you can bring yourself to vote for donald trump, then any of the sort of acolytes, you don't care about sexism or misogyny, or about adultery.
when it comes to the republican party, you can get away with being roy moore, just not larry craig. as long as he's engaging in heterosexual behavior, people will blame the young women, will call it youthful hijinks. i think gaetz at some point will have too many legal problems to have respect in the congress, but it doesn't change the overall fervor of the republican party for these kinds of party. matt gaetz came in because devin nunes has fallen off. when he falls off, it will be marjorie taylor greene. somebody is always lined up to be the next fox news, newsmax star of the republican party. >> do you think this will have
an impact on him? will he lose his job? >> i think he's eventually going to resign. i don't think he'll be able to run again, because somebody will probably primary him by next year. but in a year and a half, he'll have a job, he'll be on youtube, he'll have a podcast. because there is no shame anymore, he'll claim the deep state framed him, and i'm waiting for the matt gaetz show to begin sometime in the spring of 2023. >> ugh. >> jason, bill, great to see you on a friday night. i don't know if bill will be able to go to bed tonight. but anyway, thanks to both of you. coming up, we'll talk to one of my msnbc colleagues about a particularly tense time in the asian-american community, when "the 11th hour" continues. he 11.
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unfortunately, this past week saw even more reports of crimes against asian-americans. our local affiliate in new york city reports that just two days ago, a 25-year-old victim was sitting outside of an ice cream shop when a stranger made anti-asian comments and then slapped her. a recent study found anti-asian hate crimes are up almost 50% last year. richard lui is here, with a new book called "enough about me." great to see you, thank you for coming on. before we get to the bottom line premise of your book, i was struck by a passage where you write, i've had trouble my whole life knowing what asian-american means. doesn't asian equal chinese? that's what i passively assumed as a kid.
nope. asia has more than 50 different countries. tell us about your experience growing up, and your thoughts about what we're all seeing today. >> yeah, chris, and thanks for having me tonight. it's one of the situations where, you know, what the term asian-american means, there are 50 different origin countries. when you have china virus and kung flu, all 50 experience that anti-asian trend we're seeing right now. you brought up one that was just getting ice cream. there's the home depot where somebody screams anti-asian words and picks up a piece of wood and comes after him. there's the nypd hate crime officer who got threatened
himself in the last day or so, according to local reports, at penn station. when we see all of these, we question ourselves. >> and your book began really with many questions that you had of yourself. and it wasn't what i expected. there's a lot of research and science behind selflessness that is in this book. it started when your dad was diagnosed with alzheimer's. your career was very much on the move. you had to make a choice to stay on your path, or join 53 million other americans and become a caregiver. what did you discover? >> first of all, you and i had worked together for many years on your show. and i remember that, that was before my father was didiagnose.
then i had to ask if i could work two or three days a week. and our kind company said yes. that decision, that long journey to becoming a journalist in broadcast journalism is not an easy one. so some of the things that my father fought for me growing up, i knew i had to fight for him. he's now in year eight, he gained a pound in covid, i call him fatso, that's because every pound counts. >> yes, progress. >> absolutely. >> well, listen, i wish we had more time. but people who are in the situation with caregiving, i think everybody knows somebody in that situation. but this is a much bigger book about how when you put yourself out there, there is so much more you can do.
and there is research that backs it up, it can be life-changing. and people looking to get out of depression, how do i make this opportunity into something? congrats. good to see you, richard. >> thank you. >> best to your family. coming up, holding the january 6th rioters accountable. nbc news is taking part in a special investigation to find those who stormed the capitol. richard engel brings us the story, when "the 11th hour" continues. 11th hour" continues. did 20 years of clinical studies on a formula only found in preservision. if it were my vision, i'd ask my doctor about preservision. it's the most studied eye vitamin brand. if it were my vision, i'd look into preservision. only preservision areds2 contains the exact nutrient formula recommended by the nei to help reduce the risk of moderate to advanced amd progression.
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the angry mob on january 6th. this sunday at 10:00 p.m. eastern we will get a closer look at the critical moments of the attack through the eyes of the attackers as well as the key leaders involved. tonight nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel has a preview of "our house." a joints have investigation into the attack on the u.s. capitol on january 6th. richard, good evening. >> reporter: this politic took a long time when you are dealing with thousands of hours of video and cell phone video taken by the attackers you need to put it in chronological order, match events to events and use the video to identify the same individuals who keep popping up in different locations.
they were shaky and full of profanities. we went through together with the investigative group, all of these videos and tried to make sense of them. when you lay them out, put them in order like a puzzle piece. you start to see patterns. they were key events and key moments that allowed the attackers to get in to the capitol and to carry out the rampage until they were eventually pushed out and highlighted some individuals who pop up again and again and whose stories were typical of the people that took part in the assault and one of them is jessica watkins. a group forms a stack. a military formation used to enter and clear buildings.
in the stack is jessica watkins. 38-year-old jessica watkins served in the army and deployed to afghanistan. watkins is a transgender woman and received an other than honorable discharge when the army determined her presenting as a female was unacceptable. she ran a bar in ohio with her boyfriend. earlier on january 6 she was at president trump's save america rally. providing security, she claims, with a group called the oath keepers, a militia largely made up of former military and police. as watkins walks from trump's rally by the white house to the capitol, she speaks on a walkie-talkie app on the phone, suggesting advanced planning. >> what kind of numbers do we have going to the capitol.
any estimates? what percentage of the crowd is going to the capitol? >> one hundred percent. everybody is marching on the capitol. all million of us. it's insane. we are about two blocks away from it now and police are doing nothing. they are not even trying to stop us at this point. >> she is in custody facing charges. more than 400 people have been charged with the assault and some face up to 20 years in prison. >> fascinating stuff, richard engel, thanks for the preview. you can see it this sunday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. coming up, a look back at the life of prince phillips when the 11th hour continues. phillips we 11th hour continues. n ultra str. it just cleans better, so your family can use less. hello clean bottom! enjoy the go with charmin.
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phillips. buckingham palace announced queen elizabeth ii's husband of 73 years has died. he was 99 years old. you can imagine being royalty, the prince, like his wife was used to be recognized everywhere he was. well, almost everywhere. >> it has been nearly 40 years since the first time that i came to washington. in fact i came with the queen before she succeeded in president truman's day. so it just makes you realize how old i am upon. it was splendid. at that time, if you remember, there had been a general election at home and winston churchill's party just got back in again. while we were here in washington, some splendid elderly lady who i don't think quite knew what was going on greeted the queen by saying i am
so please your father has been reelected. somebody standing next to her got really embarrassed. no dear, that was winston churchill. she turned to me, said i am so pleased to meet you. >> that is prince philip speaking to reporters in washington 31 years ago. and that is our broadcast for this friday night. brian will be back on monday. on behalf of all of my colleagues at nbc news, good night. ♪ ♪ >> while we are on the subject. did i get it straight? i got my shot. i did. i am so excited. i