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hearing to dismiss charges against him on may the 2nd, 1972. but god intervened with his own subpoena that morning and herbert was found dead in his sleep. after that all ended -- yeah. are we getting close to the end. >> no. go ahead. go ahead. finish. >> this was the non-violent so-called left, all those great activists in the '60s against the war. and when they were informed of hoover's passing, dan was asked did he have any comment. and he said, i pray god we'll grant mr. hoover the mercy that mr. hoover withheld from so many. >> it's such an important piece of history, such an important film. your performance and all the
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performances are breath taking. it is so nice to talk to you. i'm going to put you on the spot and ask you to please come back on any occasion to talk to us about everything happened in our country. i know you are a political junk can. and congratulations. >> thank you very much. >> thank you to all of you for letting us into your homes for another week of extraordinary news cycles. we're very grateful. "the beat" starts right now. hi, ari. >> nicole, one thing real quick, okay? >> yes. >> please do us a favor. tell martin sheen he could have a minute, two, or five minutes of "the beat" any time. or both of you come back for fallback. we were enjoying your show today. >> have you seen this movie? >> no, i need to. i need to. >> okay. you and i will do like a movie club or a book club because you have to see this and we'll talk about it on either of our shows. >> all right.
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"the deadline: movie club." it's a date. thank you, nicole. and have a great weekend. >> thank you. very interesting stuff there. i want to welcome you to this edition of "the beat" with ari mel burn. we continue with the sex trafficking scandal of matt gaetz which puts unbearable pressure on the trump-gaetz relationship. you see the headline there. this matters because, remember, congressman gaetz has claimed he's innocent. he's also claimed that he's nothing more than basically a willing subject in a doj probe of someone else. he's even buying ad time to attack the media and predicting he'll be vindicated and that there is no real story here. but thanks to legally required campaign disclosures, the world is learning that gaetz moved 85,000 intended originally for
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campaigning into his own legal defense. so something, something is costing him a lot as this goes forward, a probe he says is going nowhere. the fees started right after the initial indictment of gaetz's associate. gaetz for his part has vowed to fight to the very end. he talked about this at his recent defiant maga event. >> i have not yet begun to fight for the country i love and for the nation that i know benefits from america first principals. i'm built for the battle, and i'm not going anywhere. >> he is battling, but that's not all. a new washington post report on the tangles origins of this case, includes the bizarre and, frankly, despicable revelation that the gaetz ally take major steps to falsely smear a local teacher, falsely accusing him of
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being a pedophile. it included a letter that boomeranged landing that local tax official, joel greenberg and now gaetz in the cross hairs of a political investigation. leading to the many charges that he faces today, which include alleged sex crimes. greenberg, i should say, has pleaded not guilty to those charges, but his lawyer says they are likely negotiating a plea deal which typically involved admitting some charges. as this whole scandal stays in the news, legally politicians are struggling with it. mccarthy is dodging questions about gaetz who has faced two house ethics probes. today a third republican house member says he won't take the republicans' money and is forking over past campaign funds. meanwhile, gaetz alliance with
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governor desantis under strain because republicans see gaetz as a liability, according to new ap reporting. and those two, well, they used to buddy up and campaign together. gaetz was even advising desantis' campaign during his bahamas trip in 2018. but the governor's office tells the press it has no comment about gaetz's investigation. and the once maga-friendly congressman is learning the hard way that when you campaign with people like donald trump or desantis or even shawn hannity, these things turn out to be pretty transactional because gaetz needs each of those people now more than ever, and they are bailing, a contrast to the governor's prior love fest. >> congressman gaetz here, who has been working really hard for the people of northwest florida. >> governor, in all the work we have done together, i have never been prouder. >> i thought it would be right to bring my good friend governor
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desantis right here. >> he's done a lot of campaign events with me. >> it is good to have a navy guy like governor desantis here. >> i'm joined now by "the washington post"'s author on the reporting of the origins of the gaetz probe, very interesting stuff and strstrategist. thanks to both of you for being here. congressman gaetz denies all wrongdoing. yet, matt, you seem to be pulling on some threads that are interesting and there may be some scandal here even if nothing has been charged or indicted against the congressman yet. what did you find? >> we found how this investigation jumped from this guy you mentioned, joel greenberg, into matt gaetz. and the long and short of it is they're investigating this guy joel greenberg, a local tax collector who rises in republican politics at the same time that gaetz is elected to
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congress in 2016. they become best friends, people who know the men say they would party together. joel greenberg would arrange women for matt gaetz. in the course of this greenberg investigation, they arrest greenberg on charges basically trying to smear a teacher who running against him for tax collector. when they arrest him, they take his electronics and search through his records. in going through those, they find evidence against gaetz including payments to women on an electronic cash app type of deal. >> hey, matt -- >> it's important to note that -- >> just pausing on that, i want you to continue, but just there that was such a striking part of your story, you know, this is pretty serious stuff. we're not even mentioning the teacher's name because we don't see any reason to associate the name with what was a debunked claim. but this greenberg fellow who is now facing a lot of heat, and if he has evidence on gaetz, he has
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a lot of reason to cooperate according to experts we spoke with, but what really got him in first this much trouble was this despicable and sloppy effort to take a random independent innocent teacher and falsely accuse them of being a pedophile. >> that was the basis of the first charges against greenberg. there were two counts and it was just related to this teacher. but i should point out, there have been allegations swirling around greenberg mismanaging money in the tax office for years predating. he had retained a lawyer to represent him before he smeared the teacher. so it is certainly possible that eventually the feds would have gotten on to him anyway, but the teacher is kind of what gives them the hook to arrest him and then everything sort of cascades. >> yeah. i'm going to bring juanita in
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momentarily. but i want to read again. i mentioned they pose a question partly implicating people -- i don't know if you remember the talking heads song "people like us," do you remember that one? >> sure don't. >> well, it's people like us. it's people like us that talk on the radio or in this case television. basically, it is an attack on people like you, matt, and people like me. they're saying the media is unfair. i'm going to read this statement. is the media, quote, just going to continue running the same anonymously sourced stories every day, repackaged to avoid admitting the obvious that over the past two weeks they hype charges and allegations that representative gaetz has repeatedly denied that and that remains zero evidence of, end quote. as i say, that's kind of hitting me, kind of hitting you or anyone doing this work. your response to the gaetz's view that at this point "the washington post" is pulling on real stuff or not working with evidence.
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>> so, look, not all the sources in that story the anonymous, right? we talked to the teacher on the record. we talked to the teach're lawyer on the record. we reviewed hundreds of pages of indictments, of police reports, of audit reports of this county tax collector's office. we did talk to some people anonymously because we sort of have to do that. time will tell whether he gets charged or not. i'm not drawing a conclusion there. i'm just reporting on an investigation. he says that's going to go nowhere, and we'll see. but what we're reporting, the facts we're reporting are real and his statement doesn't sort of contests that. it just objects to the fact that we made them. >> juanita? >> i think what's striking about all of this, ari, is per matt's reporting greenberg lit a fire with a disgusting lie and this disgusting accusation that he
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led investigators into his potentially criminal behavior that resulted in, what, 33 federal charges. i think it is explicitly alarming that there is this foundation of his work as a tax collector to make that claim against a primary opponent. but then as you start to unravel the entire situation, pulling in someone like representative gaetz, pulling in other donors from across the state, other political appointees into this investigation that are being questioned right now, that yields the question what is going on in florida that this many people are being questioned that, let's be real, centers on sexual trafficking and abuse of minors and it is truly disgusting and truly troubling. i think what's also troubling is what we have seen from gop members and congress where they might not be necessarily circle the maggens against someone like gaetz, but they are not doing anything to raise further questions about his behavior, which has been reported to
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multiple outlets, whether it's showing indecent images on the house floor or bragging about his escapades. someone like gaetz has been running around congress for years now with no accountability from his own party. and i'm not shocked that we're not seeing any form of accountability now when he's under federal investigation. >> and what do you think it says about the nature of this whole maga situation? because gaetz got very prominent on fox news and being friends with the president. he was a very junior congressman. now he doesn't seem able to phone a friend for anything. >> it's purely transactional. they will use you as long as you're an asset. but as long as you are not an asset, it's fine to be discarded. when is that inflection point when we have more details coming out from this investigation. i hope lit be before formal charges considering he sits on the judiciary committee, the committee that provides oversight for the department of justice, which is running this investigation, but i'm doubtful
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they will do anything besides wait and see or as mccarthy says gaetz said he's innocent and that's enough for him right now. >> yeah. all really interesting stuff. we have been covering every aspect of it. viewers can make up their minds as we go. thanks to both of you. we have our shortest break. just 30 seconds. when we come back, the most dire legal threat trump may be facing from the riot. we're back in 30 seconds. new polident propartial helps purify your partial and strengthens and protects natural teeth. so, are you gonna lose another tooth? not on my watch! saturdays happen. pain happens. aleve it. aleve is proven stronger and longer on pain than tylenol. when pain happens, aleve it. all day strong.
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america is now marking 100 days since the infamous january 6th riot. and, so, let me ask you a question here as we end the week. does it feel like 100 days since we, in this nation, around the world were watching horrified that these images, these scenes, the outgoing president supporters storming our capitol demanding the overthrow of an election by force? does it feel like longer than that or shorter? i remember where i was and, yes, i work in the news. but i bet you remember where you were when you first saw this, when you first felt it, when you first realized this is happening in our country. and since this happened, the president faced of course his historic trial. but that was only the first of
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many trials stemming from that day, including what could be facing trump for the insurrection. two capitol hill police officers suing him for their injuries sustained while they say they were attacked by his supporters including an officer finding his body pinned by a metal door. the other officer sustained a spine injury when slammed against a stone column. >> when you catch somebody in a fraud, you're allowed to go by very different rules. you'll never take back our country with weakness. you have to show strength and you have to be strong. and we fight. we fight like hell. and if you don't fight like hell, you are not going to have a country anymore. >> 81 officers have been assaulted from that day alone. potentially this is the most legally serious open case against donald trump.
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a lawyer for one of the officers says they expect other officers to also move forward with litigation. this is serious stuff, and we turn now to someone who knows these issues inside and out. you may know him from his time at nbc. he's a former senior member of the mueller probe and also handling the paul manafort case. he is an nbc legal analyst, andrew weissman. thanks for being here. >> nice to be here. >> yes, sir. i got more than one thing to ask you about. but let's begin with this given, as i mentioned, you dealt with several things. what does it mean -- how rare is it to have this kind of suit against a former president and your working knowledge and how, in your view, credible or persuasive might these particular plaintiffs be? plenty of americans have beef, if you want to call it that, with plenty of politicians. but what does it mean to have
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capital police suing the ex-president? >> that's unusual. what is not unusual is people being sued who are in government. when you are in the senate, if you are a governor or if you are the fbi director or cia director or the president or the head of the bureau of prisons, all of those people are sued almost daily for some act that happened on their watch. what is unusual here is that the people suing are police officers or capital police. that is not the usual plaintiff. but of course what happened on january 6th is not the usual event. but it does speak to a hurdle that these people are going to have to overcome because one of the things that protects people in the government from, you know, not being stopped dead in their tracks, from ever taking any action, is an executive
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privilege. and, so, the president is going to certainly claim, the ex-president, that his actions had some connection to his official role. and the law is very favorable for people in government. now, he will claim that and you obviously played things that you could hear from former president's mouth that are seemingly maybe he'll say it's sort of a bit of hyperbole or just helping his supporters. but his actions that day combined with his words, i think, are going to be the key evidence that these police officers used to say what the former president was doing really is disconnected from his role as the president. >> yeah. and i take your point about how strong the president is for government officials in this ril
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realm. there is an irony and critics of the law would say something messed up, to use a non-legal term, in the idea that someone who was trying to literally overthrow the very election that was ending his presidency could benefit from the powers of the presidency that way. but i think you have given us a good, quick legal education there. you know i have to ask you about another big thing. i'm going to get right into it. the collusion bombshell. the biden administration finding that internal trump 2016 polling did go all the way to the kremlin. for viewers, the background here is this is literally the first time the u.s. has publically said that paul manafort's material went through the other person you see on your screen to the kremlin. that's his ally konstantin kilimnik. >> manafort may have sent
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kilimnik internal proprietary polling data. >> we don't know exactly what the polling data was. >> this is believed to be something valuable. >> it's impossible to tell. >> what he was doing with kilimnik during the campaign speaks much more to the question of whether or not there is a chance that, in fact, he did help the russians in their effort or not. >> and now the united states says he did. so short question, then a long one. andrew, the short question, did you, as the top manafort prosecutor working hand in glove with bob mueller, know this then? >> absolutely not. none of us did. >> so that's big. >> we were actually -- yeah. >> yeah. now it's known. so you didn't know it then. you go through all of this. walk us through what this means now that, a, you didn't have the evidence of it at the time, but manafort knew what he did.
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was he continuing to conceal this to the end to conceal trump, putin or both. and was this not furnished to you in the mueller probe? >> so the answer your first question, it is important to remember that what was reported yesterday, which is a bombshell, which is we didn't -- we uncovered really terrific information which was we knew that internal trump polling data went from rick gaetz at paul manafort's direction to kilimnik. we had strong suspicions with what he would do with it, but we had no evidence of that. and we pointed that out in the report. we were very clear, we did not have evidence as to what happened next. so that's why this is so big, what was revealed yesterday. but as to your first point, what was revealed yesterday didn't say that paul manafort knew because that's what kilimnik
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did. that's important if you are looking at paul manafort. but if you are looking at the big picture, what's clear is that kilimnik took internal trump polling data and gave it to the russians. whether paul manafort knew or not, it is hard to imagine that if he didn't know explicitly, he certainly knew the risk of that happening once you give that information to a russian who is widely suspected of being a russian spy and connected to the gru. the second question you have which is super interesting is is it possible that the bush -- the biden administration discovered this in the minute and 32 seconds that they have been in office? it is possible. >> right. >> but not likely. >> unlikely. >> and, so, that leaves the open question of who in the government knew this and why on god's green earth wasn't it
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communicated to the special counsel's office? that is an important fact that we don't know the answer to because i can tell you, as you said, i was in charge of the manafort team. and we were like dogs with a bone. you know, we were trying to pursue every possible lead. >> do you want to name names of anyone in the trump administration that would have been the right person responsible for providing that cooperating information? >> i don't know -- i don't know because what was reported yesterday didn't say where the information came from whether it's the cia, the nsa or some other part of the alphabet soup of washington, d.c. so i don't know which of those agencies. >> to be very clear -- but, andrew, to be clear clear, the mueller probe sought this information from dni and irs, et cetera? >> so i can't get into what
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would be -- i can't get into that specific question, but i can tell you that as part of the manafort team, we sought every possible lead and every piece of information. >> yeah. >> clearly -- >> copy. >> as we put in our report, we wanted to know what kilimnik did with that information. that was a critical piece in the puzzle. >> and, andrew, you can't blame me for asking. >> absolutely not. it's your job. >> we'd like to know. look, you just been very clear. i think viewers can hear exactly what you're saying. i also respect and understand as a former prosecutor and government official how clear you are about what you're saying and not saying. i will say that we now know that the kremlin had the internal secret blueprint for how to help the trump campaign the most, and they got that through an intermediary who was still wanted by the fbi who got the
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information from the number one official for the trump campaign who did about two and a half years before ultimately getting his commutation from donald trump. it is all clear out here in public and while the criminal investigation is over, the national security implications and what america wants to do about it is all out here for the taking for people to figure out. so, andrew weissman, on more than one story tonight, thank you for being here. >> glad to be here. >> yes, sir. we're going to continue our special coverage ahead given this 100 day mark. the feds getting their first guilty plea from one of the maga rioters. and why republican leaders are struggling to come to grips with their own defeats and why biden keeps drinking their electoral milk shake. that's coming up. shake that's coming up ♪ [triumphantly yells] [ding] don't get mad. get e*trade. [sizzling]
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we earmarking 100 days since the january 6th insurrection. prosecutors say the legal fall-out is the largest and most complex political investigation in political history. over 400 suspects now charged with felonies and carrying weapons that could bring them decades of prison time. today prosecutors did score their first guilty plea. john schaffer pleaded guilty to unlawfully entering congress and obstructing an official proceeding. these are felonies that carry up to 30 years in prison. he's expected to cooperate with the government and will receive witness security.
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some of the most infamous members are out on bail, however. a man who beat police with a stolen riot shield, he's out. the zip tie guy is out. even the man who stole the speaker's podium. they are out on bail awaiting trial, which is a contrast to so many other americans, including people without money for bail. others do remain behind bars. the man charged with using a flag pole to beat a police officer as well as the qanon shaming. denied bond and has been expressing disappointment in donald trump because he didn't get a pardon. two men could now face decades in prison as well for assaulting officer sicknick with an unknown spray. some riots just openly apologizing as they face real legal heat. others are blaming donald trump, claiming they were following the orders of the commander in chief. legal experts say that's just not true and not a real defense.
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some of the most prominent cases have been filed against the oath keepers and proud boys because they are accused of coordinating the actual conspiracy of breaching the capitol, obstructing congress and doing it with specific planned formations. those are just some of the 419 cases that are being prosecuted. "huffington post" estimates there are over 200 rioters wanted today by the fbi who have not been identified or caught. that's an update on accountability for those people and what they did. there will be a lot more in tonight's program. coming up, why republicans can't come to grips with losing the senate and the white house as joe biden continues to build conservative support. i want to tell you as we talk about accountability, this sunday i will be anchoring a live special on the chauvin murder trial. it is the eve of the pivotal closing arguments. that's this sunday right here on msnbc 6:00 p.m. eastern. i hope you'll join us.
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welcome back. returning to politics. and there is one thing everybody knows about the news. bad news usually makes a larger story than good news. thousands of planes land and take off every day, but of course it is the rare plan crashes that make for big news. you know, many, many politicians do their jobs without incident. but when a sex trafficking probe includes matt gaetz, that's a different story. this dynamic with a new administration. we have been living through plenty of tough times, all kinds of bad and challenging news around the nation while democrats see good news, whether it's reported or not, in these polls that show biden's popularity well over 50% surging on the strength of popular policies with his spending and plans to tax corporations, which some of them polling better than
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he does, including among conservatives. so one of the basically hugest new shifts in our politics may oddly be the least discussed these days. america went from an unusually unpopular and polarizing president to one who's supported much more broadly right now. and all of this basically poses a challenge for this republican party, which isn't even pretending to offer a new counter agenda or a rebranding after 2020 as reporter perry bacon notes. in the last eight elections, more americans have picked the republican for the white house. they did that once. but when you ask whether americans prefer a democrat for the white house, an overwhelming preference for democrats. bacon notes that the usual
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post-defeat autopsy is missing right now. why? well, partly because donald trump is, while he may be politically over, he's kind of a walking political zombie haunting his party. for a true political autopsy, there has to be a dead body. thanks for joining me. >> good to see you, ari. >> good to have you. you laid some of this out. and i don't know if you will agree as someone in journalism that sometimes we miss the big standard things, especially if they don't have that conflict or something else. what are you getting at in this piece and what does it mean for both biden's strength and republican infighting? >> so often the biggest stories, as you say, is what isn't changing. and if you remember, after 2004, democrats really trashed john kerry. after 2008, john mccain got
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criticized. 2012 mitt romney was really criticized by republicans, same for clinton in 2016. usually if you lose people in your own party attack you a lot. not this time because trump has such a real hold on republican voters, even though the republicans lost the house, senate and presidency with trump. he is a huge drag in the suburbs. but he's so strong with the core base that the party can't move on from him. you heard nikki haley this week say, for example, she will not run for president if donald trump does. that's very unusual. donald trump just lost. he's not a great candidate. but people in the party usually people are running to one president no matter what. but people standing down for someone who just lost is highly unusual. except the base of the party loves trump and the other candidates know that deeply. >> so let's get into nikki haley. talk about what a difference 100 days makes.
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nikki haley served in the trump administration in the cabinet. after january 6th, she spoke out. we have this. she said she wouldn't run again. she didn't think he could. she said he's fallen so far. we shouldn't have followed him. we shouldn't have listened to him. we can't let that ever happen again, perry. now she's completely backed down saying that she'll help it happen again and she pledges not to run if trump does. >> he still has a lot of popularity. if he runs again in 2024, will you support him? >> no. i would not run if president trump ran. and i would talk to him about it. that's something we'll have a conversation about at some point. >> perry, it was on your mind and ours. we have the tape there. when you stack that against just 100 days ago her saying never again, how do you go from never again to whatever you want i'm afraid to run against you? >> you know, i live here in kentucky, so i know when i
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watched senator mcconnell. watching him told me this. in the days after january 6th, he was very critical of trump, basically said the party should move on from him. then there are resolutions in various county parties here condemning not trump but condemning mitch mcconnell. you saw liz cheney face that. you saw a lot of republicans, pat toommey faces that. their state party, their local party, their local activist told them, we're with trump, not with you. and i watched mitch mcconnell flip from being very anti-trump after january 6th to pretty pro-trump now. mcconnell has said he would also support trump if he was the nominee in 2024 as well. so what you see is where the real party is not the elected officials but the base and the local activists. and they told the party, we're a trump party. if you're republican, it means
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you support donald trump and now you have seen the nikki haleys, the mcconnells and so on flip back because the party activists told them they had to. >> yeah. and it just shows the value you can put in any of those words for a former president for all the talk of what he would do, he's around but he's not loud. he's not on television that much. he's not on the internet that much. they're just afraid of the hold he has. that's why that autopsy analysis makes sense. thanks for being here. >> good to see you. >> yes, sir. coming up, there is late-breaking news on the doj suing roger stone. also, new heat on ted cruz. we will get into why he keeps finding himself in these controversies. and something very special i want you to know. later tonight we will hear from richard kind from hbo's curb your enthusiasm here on "the
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yes, you are. i'm gonna get this place all clean. i'll give you a hand. and i'm gonna put lisa on crutches! wait, what? said she's gonna need crutches. she fell pretty hard. you might want to clean that up, girl. excuse us. when owning a small business gets real, progressive helps protect what you built with customizable coverage. -and i'm gonna -- -eh, eh, eh. -donny, no. -oh. it's friday on the beat so you know it's time to fall back. we have two phenomenal guests. richard kind. a tony-nominated actor. he had a big role on "mad about you." he's voiced characters in the disney franchise's "toy story" and "cars," you may recall.
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"big mouth." plus everything's going to be okay. >> it would have been nice if you called. >> you know, i was busy, andy, i couldn't see you. >> no, no, i am not talking about that. just call me. >> i know but what's the difference? i could call you in l.a. i don't see the logic to it. >> what are you talking about? >> cold scallops is how i got food poisoning in west palm, remember? >> maybe, you should stop eating scallops, marty. >> and let the scallops win? ha! they'd love that. >> and we are joined by legal heavyweight andrew weissman. you may know him from going after organized crime in new york, overseeing the fraud division at doj, lead prosecutor of enron, and a in the mueller probe, "where law ends inside the investigation." thanks to both of you for being here. >> first of all, it's my pleasure to be here.
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and secondly, what are you wasting time with me, when you have andrew wiesen? weissman. you're smart people there, aren't you? can't believe it. >> well, andrew, i happen to know, andrew's very smart. >> i know. i -- i agree. i understand. which brings me -- >> yeah. i -- i don't have great sense of humor, though. so, i think -- i think, richard is going to carry the day here. >> okay. >> look. i appreciate richard challenging the premise of this -- of the booking of the segment, right out the gate. now, we have that out of the way. richard. at the end -- at the end of the week, man, you know, we look at what needs to fall back. what's on your fallback list, richard? >> all right. look. i got to tell you. it's been a long time coming. but, this one is outrageous.
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okay. here's my supposition. if a man goes out and works out for eight years at a gym and he works out for eight years, versus somebody who doesn't work out. who is going to be stronger? the guy who goes to the gym. well, if an epidemiologist or a doctor goes to school, and then goes to more school for a total of eight years. he is going to bench press 320 pounds with his brain. so, why does a man like ted cruz, who has not gone to medical school, who is not an epidemiologist. why does he not listen to the big, strong guy, who is saying wear a mask? get a vaccine. he -- he flaunts the fact that he has not worked out. he flaunts it with his stomach and with his brain. the guy's out of his mind. he is teaching the citizenry how not to behave. what do i tell my kids? how do i say, this man is a senator. and then, when you match that with -- with what senator cotton
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did, this week, in -- in talking to that -- that biden appointee. and about the column that she wrote for harvard. that she went to harvard and wrote for the -- the harvard crimson. and then, he is going, do you really believe that blacks are smarter than white people? no! it's satirical. get your -- this man is making decisions for this -- our country. okay, go ahead. >> so, richard. >> yes? >> i'm learning two things. one, you feel exercised about ted cruz's decision here to ditch the mask. which i think, a lot of people, could relate to what you are saying and following science. and, two -- >> yes. >> and, two, i'm learning -- i'm learning i don't know how much acting you really do. because your voice, right now, your fomentations sound just like your characters.
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>> i'm not that good at acting. [ inaudible ]. why do you think my kids can't stand me? i tell them, i love you! i love you! >> yeah. i know, it's high. it's high volume. i love it. all right. that's richard's fall-back list. what's on yours, andrew? >> so, on mine, 30 years ago, we had the rodney-king case. and we, all, watched on video, a black man being beaten up by the police. and 25-years ago, in new york city, we had where a police officer sodomized him with a stick. and where did that happen? where did the police officer think that the -- that he would be safe to do something that despicable? in a police station. which was probably the most horrific part of the case. well, here we are, again. in the chauvin case, 30 years
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later. and what is the response of the florida senate? to what's going on. it's to pass a bill, that is a supposed anti-riot bill. that, actually, says, by the way, if you drive a car into protestors, you will have qualified immunity. that is not the response, after 30 years of living through unequal justice, to play politics with that issue. and it's time to depoliticize this issue and get real. >> i appreciate that one. in particular, when we talk about rights of speech and protest in america. having state legislatures respond by making it, effectively, harder to use your speech rights and your protest rights. if we have learned anything, i think some of these protects have mattered. they have made some difference.
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so that is a real big one. richard, we got 90 seconds left. anything else on your list? you can take us out here on higher spirits if you have something. >> okay. i'll do my job. there was a guy who was caught naked in canada because he was -- went out jogging. and then, he changed his clothes without realizing that the camera was on. this is very different than a very wonderful, new yorker columnist, who was caught unaware but might have been aware. anyway, he was doing something that wasn't right. changing clothes from your jogging suit to your regular clothes out of respect for who you are going to be talking to and making a mistake not knowing that the camera is on. what are you going to do? >> he is saying this individual had the zoom on. and well, working from home, richard, is harder in the pandemic. >> it is harder and he made a mistake. now, if we do a deep dive, and we find out there are sexual proclivities, that he actually does like doing this, he is all wrong. i am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. let's just -- the guy made a
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mistake. please, don't keep this in the paper. we're all laughing at him. it's not -- it's like a cat being a lawyer. it's -- mistakes are made. okay. we don't -- and we're old. we don't know how to use these -- these darn -- these old, fangled computers. he just don't know. we're old! >> computers are hard. now, i am out of time. now, i'm out of time. but i will say, richard kind, andrew weissman, ending the week with a whole different medley. richard, i hope now, you can see the benefit of putting you two together. we think it was great. have a good weekend, you guys. thanks to everyone watching the beat. and the reid out with joy reid starts now. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight with a critical and uncomfortable question. what is wrong with us? why is our country like this? so chaotic, so violent? whether it's police, on citizen. or citizen, on


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