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intelligence for donald trump. they competed to be the best builders of ice cream sundays. it was one particular senator's dream come true. >> that's great, that's what i needed. thanks. >> a little hard to hear but let's freeze it right here, this is perhaps the most joe biden thing i've ever seen. delaware senator joe biden, at an event on the hill gently -- before absolutely going to town on an ice cream cone. joe biden has been a senator, a vice president and now president himself. there's been a lot of change in his political career over the years, but the one constant is that joe biden really, really loves ice cream.
he talks about it literally all the time. he visited the headquarters of an ice cream company back when he was vice president and said quote, eat more i scream than three other people you'd like to be with all at once. i have no idea what that actually means, but i like to think of it as joe biden's, i don't know, his default mode. no matter what is going on, no matter she's a senator a sitting president, no matter what crisis is sitting on his plate, just get that man a cone. >> what is your machines to republican who are preparing to block jenner six commission? >> this is chocolate chip. >> are you seeing any common ground on that? >> on the commission? i can't imagine anyone voting against this commission, on the greatest assault since the civil war on the capital.
but anyway, i came for ice cream. >> i came for the ice cream. that was the president today making a very on brand ice cream pit stop after making a pit speech on the economy. i know the president really wanted to focus on that chocolate chip cone, but the news out of d.c. today was so tense and so toxic that it trailed him all the way to that sweet little ice cream shop in ohio this afternoon. but seriously, back in washington today, the senate any moment now is expected to take a vote on the january 6th commission. a bipartisan, 9/11 style commission that would investigate the attack on the u.s. capitol earlier this year to look at how our democracy almost fell that day, to make sure that it could never happen again. that vote could come tonight, it's not clear, when it is going to happen. senator republicans have been signaling for weeks that they will not support this kind of investigation. mitch mcconnell appeared to shut down the prospect of a
commission entirely when he two came out against the bill last week. but the foregone conclusion of this vote got turned upside down today because of this woman. her name is gladys sicknick, she is the mother of the fall on capitol hill police officer brian sicknick who died the day after he was assaulted by rioters while defending the capitol. earlier this week glad is sickness acts to meet with every single republican on the hill to ask them to vote yes to set up the commission to figure out what happened that day. she said failing to do so would be a slap of the faces for every officers that did their jobs that they. today on the day they were supposed to vote on this thing, she went door to door with officers sicknick long term partner, and two other officers who were there that day, basically begging republicans to vote for this commission. >> mrs. sicknick, very quickly
in your statement you said that it would be a slap in the face if there is not a commission. do you think you can change minds today? >> i hope so. brian had a work ethic, he was there for our country and for these guys. he just was doing his job and he got caught up in it and it is very sad. >> does it anger you mrs. sicknick to hear senators who do not support this commission and what emotions do you feel when you're confronted with that? >> this is why i'm here today. usually i stay in the background, but i couldn't stay quiet anymore. >> just 50 republican senators agreed to meet with mrs. sicknick today. a handful invited them to meet with her staff. the rest said no. they would not meet with officer sicknick's mother to study the creation of a commission to evaluate what happened.
only these three republican senators openly are supporting this right now. seven more republicans would have to sign on for this thing to get the 60 votes it needs to pass, this is just to investigate what happened on january 6th. for his part majority leader mitch mcconnell has reportedly been whipping votes against the commission. cnn reporting today that mcconnell has been asking senators to vote no on the commission as a quote, personal favor. mcconnell has reportedly told his caucus that an investigation into the insurrection attempt would be bad politics for republicans heading into the 2022 midterms. which very well might be true, as long as the republican party continues to cling to the big lie that the election was somehow stolen from donald trump in 2020. rachel, as you know has been doing extensive reporting about the so-called election audit in arizona's largest county, where republicans have ordered a recount of more than 2 million presidential ballots under the
false pretenses that there were something fraudulent about the results. that kind of bogus third-party audit has spread like wildfire fire across republican states. they're all ordering so-called audits as an attempt to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the 2020 election. we just wanted today about a new one of these in wisconsin. the republican speaker of the house in wisconsin has just hired a group of former, police officers, to investigate the november election in wisconsin last year a state that joe biden won. he says the investigators will have three months and a wide authority to review any and all tips that they get about potential fraud in the election. he said quote, is there a whole lot of smoke or is there actual fire? we just don't know yet. and to quote. of course we know, there is no smoke and there is certainly no fire but republicans are rubbing two sticks together everywhere they can to create
that smoke and create more doubt and distrust in joe biden's legitimate victory over donald trump. it is a subtle aware of chipping away at the bedrock of our democracy, one that doesn't involve using american flags as battering ram to break into the united states capitol. same goes on the attack on voting in this country. since joe biden was elected, republican control states have pushed a number of states that make it harder for people to vote, particularly people of color. the latest state to try one of these types of anti-voting bills is texas. earlier this month, republican lawmakers in the texas state house passed a bill that would ban elections officials from mailing absentee ballots to voters and even absentee ballots applications, unless voters specifically requested them. it would ban drive-through voting. the bill set new penalties for people who tried to help other people foot. it would give more leeway to partisan poll watchers who could intimidate or harassed people on their way to the
polls. we're now waiting on the final version of that bill to be released to the public, deliberations have been going on behind closed doors, we have no idea what the final bill says. once the bill is released it will be voted on one more time in the texas senate. that vote is expected imminently, as early as tomorrow or saturday. after that it goes to the fast-track to the governors desk who is expected to sign that without delay. one example of the kind of bill that is going around america, the kinds of bills that are going around in america in republican control states and legislators. joining us now beto o'rourke, former democratic congressman and the founder of powered by people, a grassroots organization. also joining us from houston judge lina hidalgo she is the chief executive of the most populous county in texas. good evening to both of you, thank you for joining us. congressman o'rourke let me start with you you have been
fighting this for a long time, before some americans even knew that this was a thing, this idea of creating an environment and support for people to vote who hadn't been able to vote. people ask me, how is this racist? how is this bad? if the same rules apply to everyone, why are these changes that are being proposed in texas is bad for voting? >> that is part of what is so pernicious about this. this is all taking place under the guise of quote unquote, standardizing are elections. who can be against that? we might have as the same questions of ourselves 100 years ago about the poll tasks, won't that apply to everyone equally, black white or literacy test, or high mini gum balls are in the jar? what we know is these are all efforts at suppressing the votes not of all texans in our cases here in the state but of certain texans. and historically that has been
black texans, or recently latinos and other communities of color. we see it in big cities like the metropolitan county of paris county where judge hidalgo has done an extraordinary judge of investing in the polls. that is what's it is a part of. it's also a piece of the big line would happen on the 6th of january. this effort to change the rules of our elections, to be able to consolidate the hold on power the republicans has in states like georgia, florida and texas. the question to this is a federal legislation, and the for the people act which has passed the house of representatives and that was pending in the senate, all it lacks for is the full commitment and leadership from the senate to the white house, to the american people that those in position of public trust listen to. this is our moment of truth. >> i wanna talk about the for the people act in the moment, but judge hidalgo, good to see
again. the texas tribune talked about the number of polling places that are being cut, they would see a drastic drop in polling places under the senate version of seven bill seven. a texas tribune analysis showed. let's explain with this. meanwhile has changed, there used to be this idea that people should vote near their homes. when i vote i vote a few blocks from my house, and there are also have issues because sometimes the lineups or long. but people vote close to their homes. that is not the case. it's 2021 we have a rover on mars and yet we are reducing the number of places people can vote at. >> right, and the motive behind these bills becomes clear through these kinds of provisions that have been shown, as that tribune article shows, to be reducing polling locations in minority neighborhoods. what it does is it micromanage the ways counties like ours can distribute polling locations
and voting machines, and the end result of it is fewer locations in minority neighborhoods and long lines. we had innovated to all two eliminated lines. there are many provisions, we don't know what is going to come out of this because it is happening behind closed doors. but irrespective of what passes the simple idea that they are making policy based on a lie that there was election fraud on a massive scale, that in and of itself lends freedom to that lie to the point where it weakens our own voters faith in our democracy and it weakens our democracy standing abroad. when folks ask what is worse what is best, just the concept itself is so dangerous and will have enormous effects in the fact that it is not happening on here in texas but in so many places around the country. it needs to be a wake up call. you can be sure that us in harris county are not going to give up even if this passes, it's not gonna be the end of the fight.
>> congressman over gluts talk about the for the people act, to some people have never had any trouble fighting this may be an obstruction but their number of things that the act will address three of them are directly about the things that you're seeing in texas strengthening mel voting systems, preventing an reasonable way times at the poll, protecting against deceptive practices. these are things that are meant to spread the ideas that everyone who is qualified to vote in this country should vote. we should think that is a good thing. and as b one, the for the people act would be the kind of thing that would mean that those federal rules and standards can be applied across the country. >> that is right. if you see as we connect the dots in these 47 states, we have more than 361 voter suppression bills either passed or pending, the attack on may multi racial democracy sends
the voting rat -- trying to take us back to jim crow. and we need a act like that, it has passed the house of representative it is pending in the senate has all the benefits that you've enumerated and ali, there is this, if like me, you are sick and tired of members of congress choosing their votes instead of the other way around and if gerrymandering that takes place in texas and in most take states in our union, this bill would put of redistricting commission so that there is a fair and level playing field, fair maps to which we can choose those who will represent us. that is good for republicans that is good for democrats that it's just good for american, it is good for democracy and that's why we have to get this past. if we fail to do this and we only really have this summer to do this work and get it passed, we don't normally lose this window this year, or this cycle, we might very well, given the threats that are already against us, that we saw on display on january 6th, we
might lose this democracy forever. it is that important. let's all commit ourselves to doing all that we can to get this passed in urging president biden to make this is number one priority. >> judge hidalgo, texas naacp took out an ad on the 21st in which it says the bills use of precinct poll watchers to harass voters with impunity, even allowed to record someone's vote is designed for nothing other than intimidation of voters of color. we have seen these intimidation tactics used throughout history to keep people of color from polls and we will not fail them now. this is one of the things we are seeing in texas and other places. cast it or explicit intimidation of voters how do you overcome this if not just in fighting these pieces of legislation? how do we get voters to understand that this is your right guaranteed under the
constitution, you cannot be bullied out of your right to vote? >> let me explain, the naacp is not an exaggeration, one of the proposals under the senate bill was to have poll watchers be able to report voters as they're casting their votes and making it a misdemeanor for poll workers to stand in the line of sight and so so much of this goes beyond the pale, there are obstacles to mail ballot voting is, for voters with disabilities, right now the fight is still on. we need that recognition that this is about democracy, the democracy we're proud of in the mix or country what it is. when something passes, it is in the court, we've given authority to our county are forties here in harris county to file any litigation he needs to file to fight suppression bills. after that, and even now it really does lend at the footsteps of the federal government as a texan, i feel a responsibility to continue the legacy of london be johnson who passed the voting rights acts.
as americans, all of us need to feel the responsibility to protect a democracy that people died for, not just during the time of mlk, but in fighting our wars abroad, that so many people have come to this country in search for. it is not worth any political points that these republicans are scoring our democracy is not worth that. this is not just a partisan, political fight this needs to be able to stay above partisanship because it is about our ability to have a democracy and we can't weaken it by making policy based on ally. when i was a time to keep fighting it's not the time to regret tragedies, we need to keep pushing. >> our democracy is not worth that, harris county judge lina hidalgo, beto o'rourke federal congressman from texas, thank you both for joining us tonight. much more to get to tonight we have some breaking news on a criminal investigation into foreign interference to help
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sicknick family and officer don as well and the u.s. capitol police. as someone who responded to january 6th, i am here to educate senators about my experiences that day. and as an american, i'm here to advocate for the commission because i want to see congress come together in a bipartisan fashion and really get to the bottom of january 6th. i think it is necessary for us to heal as a nation from the trauma we all experienced that day. that's why i think it is so important. >> it's been excruciating. it was very hard to deal with
the ambiguity of not knowing what happened to brian, facts are facts. if they look at the footage that happened, it is very obvious that that was not a peaceful day. police officers were getting attacked, they were getting beaten, fire extinguishers were thrown at them, they were being attacked by flagpoles. it wasn't just tourist passively walking by. >> if january 6th didn't happen, brian would still be here. plain and simple. >> that was two of the capitol police officers who responded to the gender sixth attack on the capitol speaking to their long with the life partner officer brian sicknick who died the day after he, also engaged with the mob that attacked the capital. that first officer you saw officer michael fanone suffered a heart attack that day after he was pushed into the crowd, beaten and tased with a stun gun. that group was on capitol hill to meet with senators they protected that day urging them
to approve a bipartisan commission to investigate the events of january six. the senate will likely vote on whether to approve the commission tonight, republicans are expected to block that. joining me now is gary peters, chair of the senate homeland community and the governmental affairs community. senator peters thanks for being here, you are there at congress, what is your latest expectation or understanding about when this vote will take place in how it will go? >> i think it is going to be later tonight. we don't have a timeline. we're also dealing with another major piece of legislation about the innovation and competitive bill. we're gonna be working on both probably late into the night or perhaps early morning of friday. >> we believe that 28 republican senators are going to oppose the commission, we believe that the republicans are agreeing to support it. nine have not said what they are going to do including three who voted to impeach donald
trump. what is your sense of hope of getting another seven senators to agree with this investigation? >> certainly my hope is there, it is absolutely concessional in my mind that we do have this commission and we have to get all of the facts. here we have the singular event, an attack on the capital, it was an attack on our democracy it is important for us to know exactly what happened, why and how it happened. we want to make sure that this never happens again. clearly, there are many questions that people have, still unanswered. the american people deserve to have those answers. >> hearing from those officers and the family of brian sicknick, some of your republican colleagues absolutely refused to meet with her, some said you can meet with my staff and a few of them did agree to meet with her. do you think that has an impact? watching them talk not in a private setting but even to the public, you can't help but think to yourself, do we not
owe it to these people who put their lives on the lives, the family of those people to at least give them investigation? we're not predetermine with the outcome of that investigation is. >> i think you're absolutely right. i don't know how you say no to folks, how you say no to the rank and file officers who put their lives on the line, we're dealing with incredibly violent acts by this crowd that was acting here. they certainly deserve to have answers as to what's for the leadership failures, clearly leadership failed, rank and file officers who were heroic in defending the capital, but this was a constitutional procedure that was happening on that day, the american people deserve that. the whole country was spellbound watching the events of what was happening at the capitol, we need to have those answers. it is just about facts. to me this is just about getting facts, doing it in a non partisan way, similar to what we did in the 9/11
commission, we needed to get the facts of that horrific event that everybody was glued to the tv watching that attack on the twin towers. same kind of singular vent here. we just need to get the facts. unfortunately what we're seeing from a majority of republican senators, is that they simply do not want to know the facts. i think the reason they did not want to know the facts is cause they know the facts are not with them, and they are afraid of what those facts are going to say. it is a sad testament to where we are as a country right now, where we can't come together and determine what facts were involved in a horrific attack on our democracy. >> there's a way out of that for republicans to be able to say that happened and that is not going to be our future. strangely we've heard reports of mitch mcconnell has phoning people and saying do this as a personal favorite to me because if this thing comes out at the end of the year, we get into 2022 which is election here, apparently, republicans think
that this will be bad for their election prospects. there is a way that it doesn't have to be. >> well, it is about getting the facts out and finding out what happened. this should not be about politics. this is bigger than politics. when you have a mob that descends on the united states capitol in an attempt to basically engage in an insurrection against the government -- this is one we all have to rise above our petty politics. this is not about political power for one party or another. this is literally about our democratic republic. if republicans are on willing to do that, i would certainly hope that there would be some repercussions that the american people will say, we expect more of our elected officials particularly when it comes to a fundamental question about protecting our constitution. something that each and every one of us took an oath to defend the constitution. this is a time to say when the constitution was attacked, we want to know why, we want to get to the facts and we want to do everything we can to make
sure that it never ever happens again. >> senator good to see you we will watch this very closely tonight, in anticipation of a vote. michigan democratic senator gary peters who is the share of the home run committee which means whether this goes through or not, this is a man who is going to be dealing with this matter for sometime. thank you sir. up next, breaking news about a new investigation into foreign interference into the 2020 election to help donald trump, that and much more, stay with us. us and you need it here. and here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean is now helping the places you go every day too. seek a commitment to clean. look for the ecolab science certified seal. you booked a spacious vrbo summer home,
news about efforts to interfere in the 2020 presidential election the new york times report that federal prosecutors in brooklyn new york are investigating whether several current and former ukrainian officials quote, helped orchestrate a wide ranging plan to meddle in the 2020 presidential campaign, including using the former president's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, to spread their misleading claims about
president biden and tilt the election and donald trump's favor and quote. the times report that the investigation in the eastern district of new york, which began in the final months of the trump presidency, is separate from the southern district of new york's investigation into giuliani. as the times notes quote, while the two investigations have a similar character, and overlapping in some ways, mr. giuliani is not a subject of the brooklyn investigation, according to people with knowledge of the matter. ukrainian lawmakers who met repeatedly with giuliani and who the u.s. government described as an agent of the u.s. -- we're gonna continue to follow this story as it develops, but this news comes as new reporting from mother jones magazine shows that donald trump's longtime money man and cfo, allan weisselberg, already in the crosshairs of the manhattan district attorney's criminal investigation, also peers to be tied to a separate
civil investigation in d.c.. the magazine reports the previously unnoticed emails attached to a court filing last year so that weisselberg is also involved in the trump inauguration case that is being investigated by the washington d.c. attorney general. the crux of that investigation is whether trump's presidential inaugural committee, and the trump organization coordinated to use inauguration funds to enrich the trump family by grossly overpaying for advent space at its d.c. hotel. emails show weisselberg was called in to oversee the inaugural committee's internal audit after media story started questioning the huge sums of story -- and where the money could've been spent? as why weisselberg would be involved in it, given that he was the cfo the company allegedly benefiting from the grift, inaugural committee chairman, replied that
weisselberg was quote, great with numbers. of course weisselberg fluency with trump's finances as one of the reasons why there is a cloud of nerves hovering over trump world, since news broke tuesday that the special grand juries being convened in the manhattan da's criminal investigation. said one trump advisor, the fact that they're dealing with a number of guys who has plain details makes people more nervous. as far as we know weisselberg's involvement in the inaugural investigation is not a line of inquiry that is currently being pursued by investigators in the manhattan district attorney's office. but he certainly appears to be feeling the squeeze as the main focus of prosecutors inquiries. today weisselberg's ex daughter in law who had supplied the d office with boxes of documents told another network that weisselberg has served her and eviction notice after she has spoken out about what she knows. >> has there been any backlash or retribution? >> yes.
yes. allen weisselberg is on my least. yesterday i was served to leave my apartment, within seven days. that is a threat. it was tax fraud, there was tax of asian. for the first time i'm seeing it. >> that news comes as former prosecutors and legal experts tell political that manhunts the a side fans could be considering a criminal charge that says that the trump organization is a corrupt enterprise center in new york law resembling the racketeering statute known as rico, that new york law called the enterprise statute, little rico, can be invoked with proof as few as three crimes involving a business or other enterprise and can carry a prison term of up to 25 years, along with a mandatory minimum of 1 to 3
years. abc news and cnn have already reported that several witnesses have already been contacted about potentially appearing in front of the new special grand tour with at least one told to be prepared to testify. one of the people quoted in the washington post tuesday night scoop about the existence of that special grand jury was rebecca voice of former district attorney in manhattan who said prosecutors in her former office were unlikely to take this key step, without evidence and probable cause to believe that someone committed a crime. joining me now is rebecca, she is a professor at new york law school who's previously served as an adult system district attorney in the manhattan office. thank you for joining us. we have a lot to pick apart, first of all telling me with the idea of the special grand jury people being invited to talk to them, and one reportedly being asked to be prepared to testify that means that testified beyond and
outside the grand jury's deliberation? >> right, exactly. this just shows that investigation has proceeded beyond the early phase when they were just gathering information and sending out subpoenas, there was obviously a grand jury found but now this grandeur is convene to hear evidence from witnesses. in new york the grand jury isn't using quite the same way as in federal practice, so at this stage it really indicates that they've moved on and are hopefully thinking about charging somebody at the end of it which means that they know that they have an in criminal case. >> what do you make of where that criminal case could be going? we're seeing evidence about weisselberg, we're seeing weisselberg being invited to participate in this process, whatever that means. who is the target? how do you think, or what is
suggesting that they're working towards their final goal? >> it is a dangerous business to try to read into this kind of thing because gregory practice is so complicated and it's also all secret. i don't really know, but you're right the public reporting makes it look as if weisselberg is at the center of all of this and it makes it seem as if michael cohen, his former -- this is the key person who knows everything, he knows where all the bodies are buried. one possible strategy they could have is to charge him and charged him with a lot putting a lot of pressure on him to than cooperates and give up somebody else, really there's nobody else that he could be giving up other than donald trump. that is one possibility. again, it's really unclear and it is hard to know. >> what do we -- there was a time when we all knew about rico, we will talk about gangsters and mafia and political corruption, what do we need to know about this new
york law and this little rico? >> yeah, one thing just a backup a second, one thing i think that people are speculating that there might be bringing this kind of case, new york's criminal laws having to do with white collar crimes are different from the federal ones and are imperfect, the ones that are easier to prove in cases like this, carry lower sentences. i can see why people are thinking famous be putting together some kind of case that would carry a higher sentence and that rico charge would carry something like 25 years rather than four years which is the falsification of business records or scheme to defraud, those are easier to prove. the rico statute is not dissimilar from a federal rico, but it wasn't designed for the situation and you can kind of imagine what draw backs would be in drawing something like that. if you bite off more than you can chew as a prosecutor you
lose credibility. that is a problem that maybe they're gonna charge something like this and the jury might look at them and think, are you serious? you're saying all of trump organization is criminal, he's our former president, is that possible? you don't want to play in the hand of his rhetoric which is that this is politically motivated. i don't know how i would split that. it is true also that you want to build a solid case. >> and that is what we continue to hear from people like you, prosecutors dealing with this are not going to be motivated by politics if they do not have the ability to bring this case and succeed in that case, we are not going to see a case. we will watch this closely with you rebecca thank you for being with us. rebecca roiphe a professor at new york law school and former matt paton district attorney assistant, thank you for a time this evening. still ahead, democrats and congress tried to decide just how much longer they're gonna allow republicans to stand in the way of some very popular
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congress, not a single one of them voted for the rescue plan. i'm not going to embarrass anyone, but i have here a list. a power back in their districts, they are bragging about the rescue plan. >> president biden and cleveland, ohio today highlighting the last big piece of legislation he passed, the covid relief bill which she passed without a single republican vote which was so overwhelmingly popular now republicans can't help but pretend they actually had something to do with it. president biden plenty to continue negotiating with republicans on the next piece of his legislative agenda. his multi trillion dollar infrastructure plan. blowing through his own self imposed deadline, wrapping up negotiations by memorial day,
and here's something puzzling to me about that. senate republicans unveiled a counter proposal. the sticker prices 900 billion dollars, less than half of what biden's original proposal called for. it takes out a bunch of the most popular parts of the bill. that sticker price is an illusion. 600 billion of those dollars are already in the federal budget and scheduled to be spent on infrastructure projects, bill or no bill. republicans are only proposing 257 billion dollars here which is not at all close to the two trillion dollars biden originally proposed. also completely swapped how the plan would be paid for. a poll last month out of monmouth university found 64% of americans supported biden's plan to pay for the bill by raising taxes on corporations, and 65% supported his plan to pay for it by raising taxes on individuals making more than
$400,000 a year. instead of doing that, republicans want to redirect funding from the covid relief package. the same package many of them are currently bragging to their constituents about, despite having all voted against it. to top it off, by lowering the spending, this, much they gutted a lot of the most popular parts of the plan, like dropping any mention of the care economy would fund things like grumps and health aids for the elderly and disabled. which 74% of likely voters support, or dropping most of the proposals around clean energy, which 64% of likely voters support. republicans are hardly negotiating here, and we know from their crack record they will vote against the bill in the end and take credit for it anyway. why is biden still at the negotiating table? joining us now is the chair of the house progressive caucus, a member of the budget committee as well. good to see you, thank you so much for taking time to be with
us tonight. but that whole question to you. they're not negotiating, it doesn't look like republicans are looking for a bipartisan bill with the relief act, the rescue plan, the same thing happened. they were gonna go she asians that occurred and still no republicans voted for it. >> that's right, and this was an embarrassing counter offer from the republicans when they proposed it today, it's smoke and mirrors. could you imagine if you are bidding on a house and you put in an offer that was 17% of what the asking price was? you would be laughed out of the street. i think this is a situation where the president has wanted to show, and to be, frank needed to show for some of the more conservative democrats in the senate, that he is making an effort with republicans. the reality is, they're going to drag this out for a long time. they haven't budged, they're not proposing anything so far
that is even remotely close to what the president has said he wants to do. then the time has run out. we need to move forward quickly. all of the polling that you showed was very similar to what we saw for the rescue plan, which got more and more popular as time went on. and people get shots in their arms, money in their pockets, kids are going back to school. some light coming in to their homes. here is another place where the american jobs and families plan extremely popular, and we are pushing to make sure that we have really important and populist things in there like expanding medicare eligibility, extremely popular across republicans, democrats, and independents. none of that moves forward if we don't quickly say to the republicans we are done negotiating, you haven't produced anything and good faith. we need to deliver for the
american people. they expect us to end it's urgent. they expect us to end it's urgent >> as they inch toward each other, at this pace it will take many months to get anywhere close to a deal. if the president decides this isn't worth it, we are taking up too much valuable stuff from this, bill does he settle at the last white house proposal, or do we go back to what the original proposal was in the case of the jobs plan, the infrastructure bill? how do they approach it at that point? >> this was a mistake that was made during the obama administration where the negotiated with republicans that came down significantly, and no republicans went along and voted for that either we saw the package is far too small to do what we need it to do to jump-start the economy. i think the president has learned from that lesson, and the people around him have learned from that lesson. he has said, multiple times, the problem will not be that we
go to big. the problem will be as we go too small. we go back to the original proposal, and we progressives are calling for an even bigger proposal than what the president proposed, and we combine the jobs and families plan, we do it as a once in a generation investment that get scared to people, that gets infrastructure in all of its forms to people, that fixes our schools, our water systems so much more, and we give hope back to the american people as we create jobs and allow families to thrive and survive. >> thanks for joining us. we always appreciate you. thank you. one more story to get to tonight. some very welcome goodness. we will be right back with it. ight back with it.
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the top clock is ticking on biden's goal to get at least one shot of covid vaccine into the arms of so many percent of adults by the 4th of july. ten states reach that goal so far. ten more are close behind. more than 65% of that demographic having one shot of the vaccine. in an effort to raise our numbers, various cities and states are coming up with all sorts of incentives, a free beer in new jersey, and 100 dollar savings bond between the ages of 16 and 35 in west virginia. a pound of free crawfish in new orleans, or in ohio a chance at winning 1 million dollars or a four-year full rights scholarship to any state college or university. it looks like it's working. little primitive health reports vaccination rates in ohio among residents 16 and older jumped by 33% in the week after the governor announced this lottery. no way to know from this data all of these people were persuaded by the cash but the state says this incentive is,
quote, changed the trend line in ohio starting the vaccination process. rather than a decline, the trend is moving upward. honestly, if the promise of a life-changing amount of money gets more people to get vaccinated, we are all winners. that does it for us tonight, time for the last word with florence o'donnell. lawrence, we are on the cusp of something potentially bury important tonight at the united states senate. there are still republicans who still have time to make the right decision and both, not for a conviction, not for a decision, just to investigate what happened on january 6th. i'll be an optimist, lawrence and say ten republicans will come around. and say >> the thing about thah at this hour, if that's going to happen, that will mean some republicans will have to change their mind because john thune who is technically the vote counter, although mitch mcconnell does it, on the