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blue. we'll get into why conservative media is attacking the police who protected the capitol during the insurrection. and does jim jordan sound a little nervous to you when asked if he spoke to trump before, during or after the attack on january 6th? >> i spoke with him that day, after -- i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i just don't know. i'd have to go back and -- i mean, i don't -- i don't -- i don't know what -- when those conversations happened. >> well, what, what happened was, could he be the next witness called before the january 6th select committee? i'm jonathan capehart. this is "the sunday show." ♪♪ ♪♪ this sunday it's turning out to be hot mask summer. americans are masking back up indoors after a new cdc document
warns that the delta variant is as contagious as the chicken pox and can create a greater risk of hospitalization although vaccines are highly effective protecting against the virus in an effort to boost vaccinations, president biden announced federal workers must show proof of their vaccination status or submit to regular testing and masking. the defense department has since followed suit. and while the white house is not considering a federal vaccine mandate at this time, the senior senator from wisconsin, a republican, had this to say. >> could you ever get behind a vaccine mandate for everybody? >> no, not unless there is some incredibly deadly disease. i mean, much higher infection mortality rates than we have with covid. >> breaking news, buddy. covid is an incredibly deadly disease. more than 610,000 americans have died, and in counties with low vaccination rates, the mortality and hospitalization rates are rising.
joining me now, msnbc science contributor laurie garrett. laurie is also the author of "the coming plague" and dr. shah. i want to start with you. i want you to listen to something governor ron desantis of florida had to say when asked about mask mandates. have a listen. >> it really shows a callous disregard for the physical, emotional and academic well-being of our children. very soon i'll be signing an executive order which directs the florida department of education and department of health to issue emergency rules protecting the rights of parents to make this decision about wearing masks for their children. we think that that's the most fair -- >> dr. shah, i would love your response to the governor. also listening to that, knowing
the headlines out of florida yesterday, yesterday florida reported the highest number of daily cases to the cdc since the start of the pandemic. more than 21,000 new cases of covid-19. >> yes, jonathan, thanks for having me back. the way i look at this, yesterday florida had more cases than the entire united states did in the beginning of the month. so florida really is the hot zone right now, one of the highest rates in the country with a lot of people getting infected and sick and dying, and really no end to sight of this outbreak in florida right now. so this is not the time to be putting in policies that prevent further spread. look, i understand that masking up kids can be controversial in some places, but the bottom line is when there are large infections happening, large infections happening, kids need to be masked up indoors. that's what we should be doing right now. so i don't totally understand why the governor is doing this, but it's going to be bad for the people of florida.
>> and, dr. shaw, let me get you to respond to another piece of sound. this is president biden being asked about the latest on the vaccine. have a listen. >> should americans expect more guidelines coming out, more restrictions because of covid? >> in all probability. by the way, we had a good day yesterday, almost a million people got vaccinated. about half a million of those people for the first time and for the second shot. i'm hopeful people are beginning to realize how essential it is. >> of course, he was talking about restrictions, not vaccine. but my question to you, dr. shah, when the president said in all probability when asked if we should expect more guidelines and restrictions, from your vantage point, should we be gearing ourselves up for more restrictions? >> well, i'm hopeful not, jonathan. to be perfectly honest, if we can ramp up vaccinations which are starting to happen, if people can put in some common
sense activities like masking up indoors, in hot zones where infection numbers are large, i really think we can turn this around. we've seen that in the uk. we're starting to see that in israel. it's really about vaccinations and slowing down spread in hot zbloengz. i don't know we need a lot more public health restrictions and it's really up to us in terms of what we do in the next couple weeks that will make the difference. >> all right, laurie, tell us what you think. >> jonathan, i think that everybody is underestimating the biology here. we have a really, really tough form of the virus that has mutated in multiple sites compared to the prior forms of the sars cov 2 virus. you know, the original wuhan strain that first slammed us way back in january of 2020 had an ro, reproductive rate, the number of people that would get infected by a single infected persons of about 2.5.
so in other words, the epidemic doubled constantly. this one has an r.o. approaching 8. so why is everything out of control in a place like florida? because any time you congregate without masks, without adequate protection, you're looking at any infected individual statistically potentially infecteding eight other people standing around them. now, you add to that that this virus also produces about a thousandfold more viruses in your nose and your mouth which makes you a super, super spreader. unlike anything that we've seen before, except very isolated cases with prior forms of the virus. now, what this means is that even if you've been vaccinated, you're not being exposed to the random puffy little, you know, cloud of viruses. you're getting niagara falls coming at you. it is a massive dose of virus. and for many people, regardless of vaccination, if you're not wearing a mask you're in danger
of getting infected and of being a transmitter, spreading virus to others. you might not have any symptoms whatsoever. you have no idea that you're carrying the virus. you've been vaccinated. you think you're a good citizen. but you may have billions of viruses in your nose and your mouth that you can spread to others. and so the goal posts have been raised on citizenship. it's not enough just to say, i got vaccinated, or, i have a mask in my pocket if somebody wants me to put it on, i will. we have to really think that every single one of us has a duty to protect everyone else around us. if you're going to go in a congregated space, you need to wear a mask. >> laurie, given everything that you just said, you need to wear a mask, so i take it that you are 100% behind mask mandates. what is your view on vaccine
mandates? should the federal government -- should the biden administration come right on out and mandate that all americans get the vaccine? >> well, legally the administration can't do that. >> okay. >> mask regulations, public health law is a local function in our country. but certainly it's in excusable for health care workers to continue to expose patients and be exposed themselves by patients and refuse vaccination. i wholeheartedly support efforts to mandate vaccination within the health system, within the nursing home system. there has to be some really serious education efforts done in fire departments, emt, police departments, where there is really strong refusal to get vaccinated right now. and these are people who have vowed, serve and protect. how can you protect if you potentially are carrying
billions of viruses in your nostrils and in your mouth that go right into other people's faces with common conversation? no shouting, no coughing, just conversation. >> dr. shah, i would love your reaction, your response to that. >> yeah, so, i think laurie and i are largely on the same page. i've been calling for a vaccine mandate for health care systems for at least several months. i was really pleased when houston methodist did this. the dam has broken on this. i think health systems are starting to see the light. it has to go well beyond health systems. colleges and universities have to do this. the university where i work did this. high schools where people are eligible. this is really no longer just about individual choices, not when you have this much of an outbreak happening, and your individual choice can kill other people so it's not just about yourself. i also, by the way, i want to emphasize that all the evidence right now says if you get
vaccinated, your ability to spread the virus to other people goes way, way down. you're far less likely to get infected. you're far less likely to spread. that's the evidence right now. so if you want to beat this pandemic, vaccines remain the very best way out of this pandemic. >> go ahead, laurie. >> cdc, jonathan, has had its hair on fire this week. there have been huge meetings going on inside of atlanta headquarters, and the reason is because of this barn stable, massachusetts, outbreak. really hard to read the details on this thing. everybody thought they were doing the right thing. it was 4th of july weekend. we were declaring we defeated the virus, it was time to have a party, it was all outdoors. people were having parades and fire works and all the usual celebrations that go with 4th of july weekend. and there was quite a serious
outbreak. the cdc tracked with the massachusetts health department more than 649 cases that resulted from that weekend. 74% of them were fully vaccinated, fully vaccinated, and most of them had been vaccinated for months. so there was no question of it not having had adequate time to buildup an immune response. i think one of the things we're looking at here is the difference between neutralizing antibody responses, if i can indulge you with a little bit of biology here, versus b-cell memory response. so every single vaccine first trigger neutralizing antibodies. you have these armies, soldiers that come out and attack the enemy, boom, boom, boom. if they're really well made, they go right to the most vulnerable point on the virus, and bam, nail it. no problem. but then as you've had your second dose and your immune system is fully adapted, it retreats into what's called a
b-cell memory compartment, a way the immune system remembers things so that measles shot you got when you were 2 years old protects you when you get exposed to measles when you're 50. it takes a little more time for the immune system to respond when it's pulling out its army from its b-cell memory compartment. here's the kicker. this delta virus peaks in like three days versus about a week with the old garden variety forms of covid. so the problem is the virus surges in your body faster than you can mobilize your immune system forces out of your memory compartment to come into full attack. you're not going to get sick necessarily. you may never have any symptoms at all. but you can be infected and you can pass it to other people. so we all have a social duty to mask up whether we're vaccinated or not. >> the short story here is continue to take covid
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with him before, during or after the capitol was attacked? >> i spoke with him that day after. i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i just don't know. i'd have to go back and -- i -- i -- i don't know when those conversations happened. >> it's kind of funny watching the usually loquatious perennial jim jordan flustered over a question. in the hearings of the january 6 insurrection, they better get their stories straight. >> i have subpoena power. i have no reluctance whatsoever in issuing subpoenas for information, telephone logs to the white house, especially during the times of january 6. members of congress have already admitted that they talked to the white house while it was going
on. now many of them are trying to walk back the conversation they had. but, you know, there's a record and in this institution, in a democracy, those records are important. we plan to pursue them. >> joining me now is daniel goldman, the former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, and former lead counsel for the first house impeachment inquiry of donald trump. daniel, great to see you. thanks for coming to "the sunday show." so, should jim jordan, congressman jordan, be worried about getting a subpoena? >> absolutely. i think everybody who spoke with donald trump on january 6th is ultimately in the line of investigative fire, so to speak, for the select committee. the one thing i would caution, though, that is a' not -- that should not be and i don't think it will be the very first step the committee takes. one of the challenges that the committee will have is this is a fact-finding investigation. and as we had to do with ukraine, where it was a
fact-finding investigation, you don't always start with the principal. so you don't necessarily start at the level of donald trump and members of congress. you need to build the case, you need to understand the context, the facts around it. you need to get documents, as chairman thompson just referenced, including call logs. and you need to speak with lower-level people who may be on the ground or in and around congressman jordan, kevin mccarthy, donald trump, you know. there are a lot of people you would want to speak to before you go towards donald trump or towards members of congress. >> how mindful or how mindful will the select committee be of what the justice department is doing in terms of its prosecution of insurrectionists from january 6, or are they -- will they never bump up against each other? the two inquiries? >> that's a good question. they will definitely bump up
against them. the real question that we just don't know yet is where the department of justice investigation is going. they are doing an investigation as you would, as i just outlined, where you have to start with the lower level people, the people who were there, and you work your way up. you interview them. you see who they spoke to, how they learned about it, then you go, you know, online and see who was talking about it in advance of january 6th. so they are doing that process as you would do. the question is are they focusing more on sort of domestic extremism and domestic terrorism? or are they focusing more on the public corruption angle of it, which is whether there were congressmen -- members of congress or members in the white house who were involved in this. so it remains to be seen. but there is -- unquestionably, there will be some overlap in the two investigations, and that's always very tricky for congress and the department of
justice to work out. >> you know, house minority leader kevin mccarthy has been trying to throw sand in the eyes of the american people in terms of questioning the legitimacy of the select committee. let's have a listen to what he said on thursday about this. >> is it your position, the congress's position to fight any subpoenas that may be issued against republican members, including yourself? >> i think if they had the five members that we, the republicans want to put on there, we'd gladly go. if this is going to be a dccc, we see it as a sham that's not serious. >> daniel, it's that word "sham" that jumps out at me. how worried should the select committee be about being perceived as a sham, about having its legitimacy questioned? >> well, it's a very interesting question for kevin mccarthy because there's no question that the select committee was
properly constituted. and as we learned from the hearing on tuesday, at least at the outset, it appears very much as if they are doing a non-partisan fact-finding mission to determine what happened on january 6. but let me ask kevin mccarthy something. you are the minority leader in the house. if you received a subpoena from a lawfully constituted committee of the house of representatives, and you say no to going, you are effectively undermining your own power, your own authority down the road to potentially -- if you become the speaker of the house and the republicans control the gavel, what are you going to say to witnesses who say, eh, you're a sham, i'm not going to show up? so it's a very, very tricky decision that he and jim jordan and perhaps others, members of congress who may be called before the select committee are
going to have to consider. if you say no, you're undermining your very own power and authority as a member of congress. >> daniel goldman, you always bring good analysis and great information for us to look for in the future. thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you. later on in the show, can a minister who is also a physicist make a serious bid for governor of arkansas? we'll talk to him. but first, the senate is in session on a sunday. where things stand with the infrastructure bill next. bill t are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? what if your clothes could stay fresh for weeks? now they can! downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh way longer than detergent alone.
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today at noon eastern, senators and their staff are expected to return to work. on that bipartisan physical infrastructure bill in a rare sunday session to hammer out the final language of the nearly $1 trillion plan. senate majority leader chuck schumer made it clear last night that democrats are committed to seeing this through, even if it means working through their summer recess. >> i have said for weeks that the senate is going to move forward on both tracks of infrastructure before the beginning of the august recess. the longer it takes to finish, the longer we'll be here, but we're going to get the job done. >> joining me now are anna palmer, founder and c.e.o. of punch bowl news, and eugene daniels, coauthor of politico's playbook and msnbc political
contributor, two of the best people in washington to talk about this, what's happening. okay, anna, when are we going to see the text of this bipartisan bill? >> i think it's still tb d. we have been hearing every day for the last several days that this bill was going to be out. we continue to hear that this morning with members saying they expect the legislative text later today. i do think it's going to come sooner rather than later, but when exactly it's going to drop is anybody's best guess. they've been still scrubbing the bill all weekend. staff has been working. we've been talking to them. i think this process is just, you know, it's a 2,000-plus page bill. so it's a little bit more complex than, say, just the typical kind of legislative language that we wait for in these types of things. >> eugene, what y'all hearing? you got a time -- you got a time on when this text is going to drop? >> we don't.
anna's right. they're doing a lot of the grunt work right now trying to figure things out. and it's also important to remember this is like the one big bipartisan bill that we're going to get probably this entire presidential -- these four years of joe biden's presidency. so they're probably taking a lot of time because of that. everyone who wants to get their amendments when they see the text, start adding amendments if that's what they're going to do, it might be a little bit longer process. schumer said they're willing to stay here as long as possible. susan collins just said she thinks they may be able to lay down the bill later today, and then start some consideration of the amendment. so the democrats are on board. she also says that she feels very strongly, at least ten republicans are also on board to make this do. it seems like the process is working albeit very slowly. >> okay. so, there's one person i haven't heard much from until this sound bite we're about to play. let's just play it and then, anna, i'm going to come to you on the other side.
>> yesterday i joined a number of my republican and democratic colleagues and voted to begin floor consideration of bipartisan compromise legislation for our nation's infrastructure. it's guaranteed to be the kind of legislation that no member on either side of the aisle will think is perfect, but it's an important basic duty of government. i'm glad to see these discussions making progress. i was happy to vote to begin moving the senate toward what ought to be a robust bipartisan floor process for legislation of this magnitude. >> oh, my god, the mono tone. i have to wake myself up. but why, why am i scared, anna, that the grim reaper at the last minute is going to jump out and scuttle this bipartisan package? >> i think all signs right now point to mitch mcconnell being supportive as we just heard in that clip there of this process.
and he certainly has the ability to sway a lot in the republican conference. i think it's reflective of a couple things. number one, the fact that a lot of senate republicans want to move forward with this infrastructure bill. the fact that they had 65-plus senate republicans vote on these procedural motions is a really big deal. i think the real question is this next step, amendments. where do they come down, how does chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell negotiate that package for the number, the length, how long this is going to be debated, that is kind of the next strategy play here for mcconnell to shape the bill as much as he can. >> okay. i'm glad you brought that up, amendments. that's hurdle number one. okay, i'm just going to pretend they're going to get through that very complicated process all fine and everything, and i'm even going to jump the next hurdle which is the bipartisan vote. it gets passed. but then comes, i think, eugene,
the heavier lift, and that is the reconciliation bill. how much trouble -- how much trouble is senate majority leader chuck schumer in when it comes to that part of the two-track system? >> i mean, you know, with the reconciliation, his only job is to make sure he keeps the democrats and the independents that caucus with the democrats in line, and together. but that sounds easier than it actually might be. he already had arizona senator sinema already saying she doesn't really like this $3.5 trillion bill, but i was at the white house when president biden said -- we asked him about that. he said, what do you think about that? have you talked to her? and what he said was she is supportive as long as she sees all of the things, right. so she wants to see what's in it, how much it is. so i think eventually it's probably not going to be $3.5 trillion, other people think it seems like manchin at some point was waffling on 3.5. he said it was way too much.
it seems like that number is going to come down at least a little bit as they work through the process. i think what's going to be even more interesting, jonathan, is what's going to happen in the house, right, because you already have -- >> i was going to ask you about that. go on real quick. >> you already have house progressives who are saying, no, i don't want to vote for this bipartisan deal until i'm assured that the $3.5 trillion bill is going to get all the votes of the democratic and independent senators. so that is where nancy pelosi is going to have to keep her caucus together. and the relationship between the senate and the house is really going to reveal itself even more. that is what people should watch this week. >> i know this much. i have listened to every word speaker pelosi says on this, and she has said quite clearly if both bills don't come over, it ain't ever gonna happen over here in the house. anna palmer, thank you very much for coming back to "the sunday show." eugene, you will be back in our next hour. coming up in our on the run series, a minister and scientist
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state. i graduated from pine bluff high school -- high school in pine bluff. i could have lived anywhere in the world, but i chose to raise my family here. right now the reason i'm running is because i'm fighting for an arkansas future where every family has an opportunity to succeed no matter what difficulty they come from. >> okay. so in the first two weeks of your campaigning you raised $575,000. that's some hefty coin in arkansas. but sarah huckabee sanders, she's raised $4.2 million for her bid for arkansas governor. are you concerned that she's just -- if you two end up going head to head, she's just going to swamp you in the money race? >> no, not at all. i think -- here's why. look, number one, we are out raising money, we're pounding the pavement, and we, of course
we need the resources. the thing that's more important than money is the votes. we're out across the state and we're knocking on doors. we're getting out in front of folks safely. but i'll tell you this. arkansans have a choice. it's either sarah huckabee sanders who seeks to divide our house and we know that will lead to our fall. or me chris jones who seeks to unite our house so we can stand and launch into the 21st century. it's clear to me as i listen to arkansans that what we're seeking is someone who is going to follow wise counsel, who is going to listen to scientists, particularly in the midst of covid, listen to medical advice. is going to do what's best for arkansas. >> and speaking of listening to scientific advice, from what i understand sarah huckabee sanders has said she will not have mask mandates. if you were governor of arkansas, right now if you were governor given what's happening, what would you be doing to
protect arkansas from covid? >> you know, jonathan, my wife is an e.r. doc, and she is a state medical director for disaster preparedness. we went through this like all families. i have three daughters, jordan, janelle and jasmine. i had to run the house while we faced covid. if my car broke down, i'm going to listen to an auto mechanic, the professional. if my roof is leaking, i'm going to call the professional and listen to them. and right now we need to listen to our medical professionals and they're telling us to get vaccinated and wear our mask so we can get over this and allow our economy to grow in the long term and allow our families to be safe. >> mr. jones, this is an interesting factoid i didn't know until we were preparing for this segment.
you're not the only person in your family running for elected statewide office. you have a brother who is running for attorney general of the state of arkansas and he's a republican. >> he is, he is. say that quietly. look -- >> very quietly. >> if you're an arkansan, it's highly likely you have democrats and republicans in your family. that's just the case. what matters is are you willing to sit down, disagree on policy, but still come together and seek the benefit of arkansas? and i'll tell you, when we get around the kitchen table and my mom has made carmel cake, there is no arguing. we are focusing on that carmel cake. >> i thought you were going to say there's no argument because mama's at the table, not the caramel cake. >> the cake. >> chris jones, before we go, i think it's malpractice if a candidate comes on and doesn't say what their website is. >> yeah, thank you very much. look, our website is
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show, after his passing he has welcome to america, which was recorded in 2010 and finally released by prince's estate on friday. many of the songs managed to be just as relevant today as when they were recorded. this album is just one of many masterpieces that prince had mysteriously locked away in his music vault before his death in 2016. joining me now to discuss is the host of the who was prince podcast and author of nothing compares to you which comes out in august. toure great to see you, my friend. >> nice to see you, brother, how are you doing? >> good. so, did you know about this album? did you know that it was there in the vault? how surprised are you by this? >> not this specific album, but we know that prince went to the studio every day and made a song, and what he would do is he would sit in the studio until that song was done, and then put it away. and so there's hundreds and hundreds of songs that were
unreleased. we knew -- there's been a trickle of new music since he died, you know, not just this album. he would make songs and he would say, does this fit with what i've done on the rest of this album, be it "purple rain" what have you. if it didn't perfectly fit, he would put it in the vault. he's always forward looking. he wouldn't necessarily think, oh, here's the album, you know, after purple rain. maybe i can use that song six months ago. no, make something new, go forward, go forward. we knew that there were all these songs. we knew after he died they drilled open the vault and pulled out all these songs. so we knew there was extra stuff in there. you know, the question was always what was the quality of the stuff that was in there. >> right, the quality of the stuff that's in there, and i'm struck by a phrase you say that prince is always about go forward, go forward. and the little piece of the song
that we played, i mean, i think a lot of people would be surprised that he recorded that in 2010. in "the new york times," i'm going to pull this quote here. it says, the 2020s have brought bitter divisiveness, racism, battle of health here. prince doesn't sound pessimistic. just matter of fact. prince is looking go forward. i'm wondering -- you've written many -- i think three now books on prince. was he really a visionary? >> was he really a visionary? i mean, you know, in the song they were talking about "welcome to america." he's talking about our overconsumption with computers and devices and some of the pessimism around the modern world. i mean, i think these -- many of these themes are themes he
returned to throughout his career. before "purple rain" and after "purple rain." so it seems like these are things that he was sort of talking about in, like, sort of looking down on society for all along. you know, in the song after "welcome to america" he's talking about, like, being a slave or being a son of a slave master. what he's really talking about is owning your own masters and controlling your own music, which is something that he was a huge proponent of and a big thing for him. that's why he wrote "slave" on the side of his cheek. i do have the right to go somewhere else and put out my music wherever i want. that was a huge theme for him. he still, on many of the similar themes he's been talking about throughout his career. >> i don't know how long this is but i want to play this. we'll talk about it on the other
side. oh, we don't have it. you know what i'm talking about. you're laughing. you say prince's hair was definitely a thing. michaela angela davis said it's "it's the story of black life." over the course of his career, he did everything with his hair. in the time -- the minute we have left, talk about why are y'all talking about prince's hair like that? >> because hes a -- esthetics are about prince's story. the clothes are beautiful. they're made by a team he had in house. he didn't wear off the rack. then the story of his hair is so important and valuable. we focus on the heals and the relationship to his female fans but as michaela angela davis he was one of the girls he was
thinking about what can i do differently? can i afro it? lay it down? can i put it sideways? i mean, like, every era the hair grows and changes. there's almost no major male artist that, i can think of it, that putting so much thought and attention into his hair. it's one of the things that you love to see, like, is he sartorially, esthetically, with his hair. and the looks were meant to give you a sense of what he was feeling about the music. it wasn't just sort a thing. it's part of how i'm feeling about where i am sonically. >> and, you know, michaela says that of all the hair styles, she loved it when he went back to the afro because, to me, it's the halo, she said. toure, thank you. coming up in the next hour, conservative media's tasteless reaction to the january 6th
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i heard someone scream "i got one." as i was swarmed by a violent mob, they ripped off my badge. >> they seized the opportunity of my vulnerability, grabbed my gas mask and beat my head against the door. welcome back to "the sunday show." the house committee investigating the january ofth attack kicked off with four police officers recounting their harrowing tales from the insurrection. as they detailed the multiple abuses they suffered at the hands of the trump mob, it was clear the irony not lost on them was carried out by the same people who often sensationalize support for them. >> the man sarcastically yelled "here come the boys in blue so brave." i saw the symbol of thin blue line flag being carried by the terrorists as they continued to
ignore our commands. >> some expressed outrage -- while calling for social justice. where the same people expressing the outrage to condemn the violent attack on law enforcement. >> case in point in the anchors at fox news. they proudly brandish the slogan "we back the blue" like a weapon when black people are protesting but just can't seem to muster the words when trump and trumpism are under attack. >> the whole thing turned into the eyes of many, nothing more than performance art. >> let's see if we can impeach and smear and slander donald trump one more time. >> psychological trauma hindered as an excuse for ditching our bill of rights. >> up and left with the psychological trauma and emotional anxiety of having survived such a horrific event. >> god save from these
third-rate theaterics. >> god save us from them. joining me now is host of "the dean obedala show." and leonard pits a columnist for "miami herald." thank you for coming to "the sunday show." i'm at a loss for words so i'll let you respond to that sort of lit any of nonsense that we just saw on that last montage from the folks over there at fox. mr. pits, i'll start with you. >> yeah. i have a loss for words, as well. it's depressing. it's astonishing. it's amazing. it really makes me wonder, of course, i wondered it before the context. what is there -- what would you sacrifice, you know, for
america? what would you sacrifice for the truth? that's a question i would like to ask, frankly, all the fox characters and all of the republican leaders because it seems like their desire to hold on to power and hold off to office or whatever it is they perceive they get out of donald trump supercedes their desire to support, protect, and defend this country. to me that's shameful and frankly terrifying place for us to be. >> and, you know, sophia, to answer mr. pits' question about what would you sacrifice. i would say the folks at fox and a lot of people on capitol hill and the republican party sacrificed their souls. >> look, i think that we have all got to get to a point. those who are pun didn'ts and cover the news. when we to the being outraged -- this is not new. this works for the people
they're talking to. i think all of us will come to have come to reality that we're two americas right now. that's the issue with we need to hone in on. there's an us versus them. it's not because what the majority of us w but it's because what an angry and vocal and actism white nationalist minority want. what we're seeing is they're putting you on notice. even the police aren't off the table in this fight or whatever it is they're moving towards. look, and the speakership smells it. it's within three votes. if they keep gaslighting and culture wars, if they keep attacking the police and making them out to be liberals and people who can't even now trust the police, i'm confused by their messaged a little bit, to be honest. at the end of the day, it's outrage. that's what worked for them. it's working for them. >> i wish i could disagree with
you but i can't. and, dean, of everyone on the screen now, you're the only one who is literally going after fox. you filed a complaint with the ftc. have you heard anything back on the complaint you've filed? >> i filed a complaint under the covid-19 consumer protection act enacted in december to protect the public, us, from people trying to profit off lies or covid-19 or ways to keep your family safe. that's what fox news is doing. their business made $1. 4 million in revenue last year. i filed a complaint, as you mentioned, with the ftc. thursday i called them and spoke as a journalist with a member of the spokes people there and told me that they receive complaints. many. they will neither confirm nor deny they opened an investigation. they will not tell us if they opened an investigation. but if they find any violations
they'll do a press release and do an enforcement action. so, jonathan, i encourage everyone to the ftc website or e-mail me. i've made a template. file it, e-mail me. let's fight back against fox's lies. the despicableness about january 6th is different than covid-19. it was to protect the consumers. they're violating it. the spirit of it. let's file an action and fight back. >> well, you know, dean, to your point and the despicableness happening on fox. i think it's having an impact. take a look at this poll. a majority of trump voters view january 6th as patriotic and defending freedom. as you see it at the bottom, how would you describe what happened at the capitol under patriotism? 51% said it's patriotism. 55% said it was defending freedom. to sophia's point, that's proof there that, yeah, indeed there
are two americas. >>. >> yeah. the problem is we're two americas but we have one land mass. there's not even a clear geographic deline yags you can do. i'm sure a lot of people in metropolitan memphis, miami, and other places in that region of the country would resist being lumped in with that. so geographically you can't make the designation. yet we're left with the reality we have to some how reconcile there are, indeed, two americas. the america of those of us who want to try to live up to the promises of what this country is supposed to be and the america of those who are determined to preserve, protect, and defend white supremacy and white nationalism by any means
necessary. how do we deal with that. >> so his point about how geographically your can't separate cleanly the two americas, it is as if -- they're sprinkled, sprinkled among each other. you know, just last month i went to see my in-laws. they have a lake house in minnesota. minnesota! hundreds of miles away from the mason dixon line and yet the neighborhood up the river a little bit has a confederate flag on his property. i saw that a few years ago. now he's added to that a trump 2020 flag and what was more disturbing to me than anything, the number of people in minnesota with trump/pence signs in their yards, trump flags, basically showing and saying, yeah, we don't think that the election is over >>well, that doesn't surprise me at all. given minnesota has had extreme issues with police violence,
george floyd, philando castile and others. minnesota doesn't surprise me. that's the midwest. what you've got to understand, when i say two americas. i'm talking about the fact that in 54% of people seeing january 6th as patriotic. it's because, jonathan, if you say something enough times, people begin to believe it. it was a tourist day at the capitol. these people were patriots. i got into an heated argument with a family member about this trying to tell me, well, capitol got blown up in the '60s and those people weren't considered insurrectionists. huh in the misinformation coming off fox and the right-wing talking platforms is severe and facebook and others are elevating it and not policing it. so why wouldn't you believe it? to our fellow americans who are white, all i can say is if you're buying into this and believing this, i really need you to do a self-check and sit with yourself and ask yourselves
is this really the america you want for your grand kids and great grand kids? america is browning. it's not going back. we have to figure out how to model -- where this nation is not going to stand divided. a house cannot stand divided. >> whiteness is a hell of a drug. i think people will -- -- well, first you have to admit you have a problem. they don't see it that way. they'll never see it that way! i try to put myself in white people's shoes, sometimes, if i spent my whole life not being afraid of the police and having the microaggressions and stuff that we as black people deal with every day. i guess i wouldn't get it either, jonathan. i guess i wouldn't get it. it wouldn't -- it doesn't touch my life. if it doesn't touch my life, i don't feel it and i don't understand it. i dismiss it and say it doesn't
exist. >> >> so you vaesed interest in not getting it. indeed you get it, you're obligated if you want to think of yourself as a good person to do something about it. to act on it in ways that may challenge you. that may cost you some of your prerogative. there was a vested interest in not getting it. >> dean, jump in here. >> sure. can i say what happened on january 6th was an act of terrorism. that's not my words. that's the words of christopher wray, the fbi director. 20 years from 9/11. i'm muslim. my community suffered harshly after 9/11. they told us you're with us or the terrorists. that's the same question you go to fox news and the republicans.
are you with the united states or trump's terrorists? that's the question. it's that simple. i look as fox news now the al jazeera. they were not celebrating or defending the terrorists. fox news is. fox is literally having on donald trump who is the bin laden of january 6th. i can say, as a nonwhite person who looks white but i'm half arab the idea the media won't call white people terrorists makes us less safe and it's fundamentally wrong. i'm hoping the media, the attackers were terrorists. that's the correct definition under federal law. brothers and sisters of the media not of call, call the white attackers of what they are. they're terrorists. you're with us or with those terrorists who want to open throat our government.
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this is convincing americans not to get vaccinated. it's time for the republican party to expunge these conspiracy they are resists from their ranks. for the sake of democracy. their ranks. for the sake of democracy. we fled the republican leaders to care about justice. after all, they have children too! they're going to give them an unjust and cruel world if they don't try to come together for voting rights. not just for them but for everybody. i would beg them to waken their conscious and be the courageous people like all the courageous people that are here today. >> the daughter of president lyndon b. johnson joined me yesterday just before marching with hundreds of others for
voting rights in texas. she made the case that protecting voting rights should be a bipartisan effort. well, my next two guests are an example of what can happen when people on opposite sides of the aisle join forces for a common cause. joining me now is former republican presidential candidate carly fiorina. i think it was miss barry who invited you to be a part of things this past week. why accept the invitation? >> well, good morning, jonathan. good morning, cara, to you, as well. when something is wrong or devisive or dangerous sets us back, i think each of us has an obligation to speak up. as it's wrong to call the january 6th insurrection a
patriotic act and blame it on nancy pelosi instead of trump, just as that's wrong and dangerous and devisive and sets us back. it's equally wrong to have certain people who live in certain kinds of places with certain kinds of faces to make it almost impossible for those people to vote. that's wrong! it's un-american. it sets us back. we've been friends for a long time. we've learned over that time that we don't always agree but we agree frequently, usually, on the most important things. as citizens' right to vote is among those most important things. so i was privileged to stand with cara and the other brave women who were there. i will continue to stand up and speak out when i think something is wrong. or devisive or dangerous or sets us back. >> it's great to see you again. i'm just wondering -- i mean, i was blown away when i found out
that carly fiorina was joining -- up with you. why haven't more republicans joined in the effort? why haven't we heard more republican voices? i think as she's pointing out, it's not a democratic issue or a republican issue. this should be an american issue. the access to the ballot >>well, first let me say thank you for having me on. you're absolutely right. it's an american issue. when i asked carly, i didn't know whether to ask her -- you're right. there's a deficit of republicans but it may be because no one has taken the time to ask them. i know there are good republicans, humans that care about people and care about what is fair in this country. you have to give them a chance to speak up or they can take their initiative. i don't know why more aren't.
i can say carly is an addition to 25 other women organizations that joined us because, you're right, it's not an american -- black issue. it's an american issue. we have the american-jewish women with us, the league of women voters, and the organization even though we started it with the leadership of melanie campbell. it's black women and allies. so we're allies in this battle against injustice. >> and so, ms. fiorina, what do you say to your fellow republicans who don't want to move on the issue. who think that the bills that are -- i think it's 18 states have enacted 30 new laws voter suppression laws. they think it's a good thing.
>> yes, i honestly i am so disappointed. sometimes i'm driven to despair for my party. i also think that it is in those times when people have to speak up. as some of your guests on the previous segment says, look, it's not always easy to speak up. there's a lot of pressure not to. on the other hand, i think republicans who are doing this are honestly caving to the pressure of their base. i think many of them have lost their compass. i think too many of them know exactly what they're doing, but nevertheless, they proceed to do it because they think it will help them get elected the next time. you know, just to put this in perspective, i'm not justifying it at all, but george washington, our first president, said the trouble with politicians is they will come to care only about winning. so i think what you're seeing is a lot of people who come to care only about winning.
that is a shame. i will just say one more thing, if i may, on politics. the democrats need to pear this bill down so they give the republicans not one excuse to vote against it. the last time the bill went forward, it had too many extraneous things in it, in my opinion. it gave mitch mcconnell an excuse. don't give republicans an excuse. make it crystal clear this is about every citizens's access to the ballot box. and i think and hope it will get the 60 votes necessary. >> what do you make of that? what ms. fiorina advices democrats to do. top pare the bill down. is it acceptable to someone like you who is passionate about this and got arrested over it. >> i think negotiations are always a part of the process. i don't know how much is in the bill that was anticipated that this would be an issue, but i
can tell you they can pare it down only to a point that it does not diminish the issue of federal preclearance and some of the issues around gerrymandering. those things are nonnegotiable. there may be some other things in the bill that can be negotiableble. that's the nature of the legislative process. we stand strong and clear. we also stand strong and clear about the filibuster. i know that carly is not favor of it. i think either you eliminate it or reform it. no process should be more important than the problem. the problem of voting is a bread and butter fundamental freedom issue. if the filibuster has to fall or be revised, then so be it. if we don't -- >> in the 30 seconds we have left, your response to miss
barry and her support of reforming getting rid of the filibuster to pass voting rights. >> what i would say is it feels good in the short term but it can really hurt in the long-term. my guess is there are a lot of democrats who really regret that donald trump got a third supreme court justice on the court with less than 60 votes. this should be a bipartisan issue. i think it can be. we need to press forward to ensure it is. >> this was an extraordinary conversation. thank you both very much. carly fiorina, cover are a masters barry. thank you for coming to "the sunday show." and coming up, actor film maker, and activist with his thoughts on where the country is now and where it's going. now and where it's going millions of vulnerable americans struggle to get reliable transportation to their medical appointments. that's why i started medhaul.
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producer norman lear celebrated his 99 thd birthday this week and wrote he's baffled voting rights are still under attack. his sentiments are echoed by rob reiner. returning to the way i see it, film maker and activist rob reiner. welcome back to "the sunday show". >> thanks for having me. >> why from where you sit, why do you think there's been no traction. folks getting arrested. folks are marching in texas. why is nothing happening? >> well, i think right now you've got the administration
focussed on infrastructure and i think once that gets done, i know it's a long road before it gets accomplished, but i believe it will. when it does, we have to focus on voting rights. right now the world is in crisis. there are two crisis facing us. one is whether or not the planet will survive because of global warming. the second is whether or not democracy will survive. if it doesn't survive in the united states, it'll fall all over the world. right now democracy is built on two main pillars. one is respect the rule of law. the people who were responsible for january 6th must be held accountable. the second is, our access to the ballot box! our ability to vote. that's our -- those are the two things we need to focus on. now i said this thing about john lewis getting his head cracked open but people have died. people have died to protect
democracy. norman lear, you know, flew countless missions over germany to protect democracy. med gar ever was assassinated in his driveway. i made a film about it called "those in mississippi." and his wife gave me -- i have this here -- this was in medgar's wallet. this was his poll tax receipt. you can see on the back there's some bloodstains and things on it. this was what he had to -- it was on him the day he was assassinated. this is what you had to pay in order to vote. well, in 1965, and johnson passed the voting rights act, okay, we're moving in the right direction to allow everybody access to the ballot box. well, we've seen the supreme
court strip away the voting rights. strip away the voting rights act. now republicans who, at this point, i don't see what they stand for except for retaining power are doing everything in their power to keep people from voting. that's the only way they can win because they don't have any policy principles they stand on. it's just about getting power. so they know that if they can strip people of their voting rights, somehow they can retain hour -- power. it's not just about voter suppression. that's horrible you see leaders marching all over the country. reverend barber, reverend al sharpton -- >> yep. >> -- people are marching all over the country and will tell you you can organize but you cannot organize your way out of voter suppression of this level and this kind of jury gerry mannedering. if you pass laws that change the
election -- >> oh, yes. >> yeah, no that's the most dangerous thing. particularly about the georgia law. look, the time we have left, i have to get to talking about donald trump and the news of the notes from the phone call he had with the high officials at the justice department. you sent out a tweet, i don't have the date on it. donald trump has been a failure in his entire life. he's had only two successes. one convincing people he's not a failure. two, continuing to commit crime and never getting caught. boy, i hope it ends soon. your reaction when you saw the stories in the "washington post" and the new york times about the phone call between donald trump and the high officials of doj. >> not surprising at all. this man literally breaks the law every day of his life! everything he does. every day he was president. every day in real estate before
that. he's under investigation in new york, in georgia, and now the doj we're going see what happens. he's escaped this his entire life. the question is, will he be held accountable? specifically to what his role was on january 6th. we know it was to insight a deadly insurrection and take over the government. if he's not held accountable for that, i suspect democracy will start to crumble. but i still hold out hope that he will be held accountable. >> heaven help us if your reduction comes true. i think at a minimum, he'll be held accountable by history. rob, thank you very much, as always, for coming to "the sunday show." next, my panel and i sound off to the other sunday shows. off to the other sunday shows. ♪ can't take it back once it's been set in motion. ♪ ♪ ♪ power can't be tempered,
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so schumer says he wants to finish up the bipartisan infrastructure deal in a matter of days. we haven't seen it yet. when do you think we will? >> today. >> today? >> yeah. i think by today and by this evening hopefully we can start the process by tomorrow. should finish by thursday, i hope. >> you think it'll pass? >> i do. >> west virginia senator joe manchin answering the question everyone has been asking. in minutes senators and staff will reconvene to look at the
language in the infrastructure bill. my panel joining me now. thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." okay. so senator manchin says that, you know, we can be get through this process today and through the amendments on thursday. that's great! eugene, you might remember in the previous conversation talking about the hurdles. well, let's talk about the biggest hurdle of them all. let's listen to senator manchin about the reconciliation piece that has to go in tandem. have a listen. >> can you guarantee that the reconciliation process will pass? >> i cannot guarantee anybody.
you can do what you can pay for it. our infrastructure bill is paid for. we don't have a debt we'll incur anymore debt. let's start the process and see where it goes. >> congresswoman edwards, since you're the only former member of congress on this television screen right now, can you translate -- how much danger is the reconciliation effort given what you've heard from senator manchin? >> i would ask the reverse. i would ask how much danger is the bipartisan infrastructure deal given the uncertainty about the reconciliation. the fact is that coming out of the house there was an understanding that moving forward through the house and coming through the senate there would be the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the
reconciliation frankly, if the bipartisan bill, as senator manchin said may well pass the senate. it doesn't become law unless that reconciliation bill moves. and i've talked to so many members of congress who are clear their votings for the infrastructure bill are dependent on voting for a budget reconciliation. >> yeah. and to that point, let's have a listen to aoc who responded to manchin on that very same show. >> these deals on infrastructure that have gone out are not just bipartisan but they are also by cam really a. >> that means house and senate. >> yes. it means house and senate. and so it was made very clear at the beginning of the process that this bipartisan deal, if it survives the senate, the only chance it has at passing the house is if the house passes the senate bill and if the senate passes the house -- bill.
having heard that, eugene, what do you think? >> i mean, it's very clear that the house is starting to flex its muscle a little bit. right. usually we think about the senate as the end all be all when it comes to bills. progressives in the house have been telling joe manchin, kyrsten sinema, all the moderates in the senate that we want this reconciliation bill. we're not signing on to anything. as the process has moved forward and you saw kyrsten sinema say she didn't like $3.5 trillion it was too much, you hear more from the progressives, people like aoc and others saying we're not going vote for the bill unless it goes through with the reconciliation bill. the question is timing. how long is too long to hold the bipartisan bill before the reconciliation bill starts to move through the process and that answer we don't have. we know is that there's a slim
majority, very slim majority in the house and barely there one in the senate. there's not a lot of room. >> uh-huh. not a lot of room at all. tim, the other big story in washington, of course, is the january 6th select committee hearings that happened this week. have a listen to congressman adam kinzinger about the question about subpoenas. the question about subpoenas going forward. >> what do you think or expect we'll see subpoenaed before the committee? >> i don't want to get into naming names at this point. i think what we need to know is what happened. what will it take to find out what happened. i think the bigger thing is the message that come out of this is the american people deserve the truth. they need the truth.
even if there are some folks on, you know, some tv channels that don't want to talk about it. >> huh. how much of a mess would it be for the select committee to subpoena people? i don't think it will be a mess. if folks want to make a big deal, go ahead and let them. i think folks need to be compelled to testify about what happened on that day. >> i agree. this is maximum pressure. i think subpoenas and the legal angles, as said on abc today, it also includes media pressure. making sure it doesn't get most and the other things we're talking about today and the infrastructure and the voting rights and making sure that the pressure is put on the mark meadows of the world and the kevin mccarthys we know spoke to the former president that day.
i think the most encouraging thing is i want to know what happened every second of the day from the president of the united states on january 6th. i think we deserve to know that. that's going require subpoenas and it's going to require political pressure for the people around the president who are going to be willing to testify. if you don't mind quick, jonathan, on the reconciliation thing. if the progressives in the house will sabotage a past bipartisan infrastructure bill that biden saided is a priority over reconciliation, i hope -- i find it very hard to believe that nancy pelosi and the progressives are not going -- are going to actually kill the bipartisan infrastructure bill and leave biden with no major legislative victories after covid over making sure these things happen together. i think they'll both happen. i was discouraged by the language. >> congresswoman edwards, i saw you react. go ahead. >> yeah.
i'm not discouraged at all. it was a deal. it was an understanding between the houses and the senate and all progressives are saying now is uphold the deal. uphold what we agreed to. the progressive caucus is one of the largest in the congress. i think it's appropriate for them to flex their muscle in this instance. you cannot do a part infrastructure without doing all the things it takes children to stay in school, parents to go to work and the millions of jobs that are created. these two are not just in process but in policy. >> i know i've played the clip twice now but i'm going to play it again. we're going talk about it on the other side. congressman jim jordan. >> did you speak with president trump on january 6th? ? >> yeah. i spoke with the president last week. i speak with the president all the time.
i spoke with him on january 6 president. >> did you speak with him before, during, or after the capitol was attacked? >> i have to go -- i spoke with him that day after i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning north. i don't know. i have to go back -- i don't know -- i don't know -- i don't know when the conversation happened. [ laughter ] >> lane minute left. reactions, tim? >> crumbling there under tough questioning there. that gives more evidence to what he said about making these guys testify in front of the select committee. >> congresswoman donna edwards? >> yeah. i want to thank the congressman for his candor because it does open them to a subpoena of himself to testify and a subpoena of his records. >> and eugene?
>> this is one of the reasons why nancy pelosi said she didn't want them on the committee. she knew at some point he might possibly be called. shoutout to the reporter because being specific about the before, during, and after. now that's something that the select committee can take and use to make sure that he comes in and talks. whether or not he says stumbling in front of those select committees will be interesting. >> i can't wait. thank you very much for coming back to "the sunday show." coming up it's time for you to get into some good trouble! my byline is next. e good troleub my byline is next. that delicious scramble was microwaved? get outta here. everybody's a skeptic. wright brothers? more like, yeah right, brothers!
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and a very good day to all of from you msnbc world headquarters from here in new york. we're just about at high noon in the east. 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to "alex witt reports." we begin in washington where the white house is grappling with how to contain the delta variant as covid cases surge across this country. this morning dr. fauci pleading with unvaccinated americans saying while we may not be going back into lockdown, things may get worse before they get better. >> i don't think we're going to see lockdowns.
i think we have enough of the percentage of people in the country, not enough to crush the outbreak, but i believe enough to not allow us to get into the situation we were in last winter, but things are going to get worse. >> meantime on capitol hill it's infrastructure weekend. the senate is back in session today finishing up text for the trillion dollar bipartisan package. some progressives are threatening to tank the plan unless a larger reconciliation bill is passed along with it while moderates are pushing back. >> i just believe that every bill should go up on its own merits. >> this is the deal and we have a tight margin in the senate. i respect that we have to get senator sinema and manchin's vote on reconciliation. they should respect there's a very tight house margin and that we have to be able to uphold our end of the bargain as well. and house progressives are also part of that majority. >> new reaction today from one of two