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right. there's no point pretending otherwise. thank you for watching tonight. it's time now to turn it over to my colleague joshua johnson. good evening, john what. >> good evening, madi, thank you very much. it is good to be with you tonight. senators are giving speeches on the floor after finalizing the text of the bipartisan infrastructure bill. maryland senator ben cardin will join us in a moment. simone biles with draws from another event, the floor. how is it affecting her mental health? chelsea will share her insights. and how do you convince unvaccinated people you know and love to get the shot? and how will the pandemic change the way people gather if we get together at all? we'll get into that with prea parker, the author of the art of gathering, how we meet and why it matters. i'm glad you're meeting up with us tonight at nbc news world
headquarters in new york. i'm joshua johnson. welcome to "the week." ♪♪ ♪♪ the senate is working. it is infrastructure weekend on capitol hill. we heard from kirsten sinema and rob portman. had he gave short speeches on the senate floor. they've been among those leading the negotiations on this bill. now, we still don't have the final text, but the plan is to file that bill as a substitute amendment tonight. the current bill is just over 2700 pages long, so far. the senate will then move to the amendment process and we're told this should be completed in a matter of days. but the bipartisan bill is only half the story. majority leader chuck schumer promised once that legislation has passed, he'll immediately move to the budget reconciliation instructions. those blueprints would let the senate begin working on a $3.5 trillion social, health and
environmental bill. sometimes we've called it the human infrastructure bill. now, using reconciliation to pass that one would allow for a simple majority vote in the senate. but that would mean every democrat would need to be on board. the progressives in the house have already made it clear their plan is to oppose the bipartisan infrastructure package unless the reconciliation bill also makes it through. but senate moderates are not making any promises. >> this is the deal, and we have a tight margin in the senate. i respect we have to get senator sinema and manchin's vote on rex tillerson on sill yags. they should also respect there is a very tight house margin and we have to be able to uphold our end of the bargain as well. house progressives are part of that majority. >> i can't really guarantee anybody, you know, and i have not guaranteed anybody on any of these pieces of legislation. we would like to do more, yeah. you can do what you can pay for. this is pay for. >> if only that was the only conflict on capitol hill this
weekend. a newly obtained audio clip captures house minority leader kevin mccarthy making these comments about house speaker nancy pelosi. listen. >> i want you to watch nancy pelosi hand me that gavel. [ cheers and applause ] it'll be hard not to hit her with it. >> leader mccarthy delivered knows remarks during a tennessee fund-raiser. a spokesman said he was obviously joking. let's begin with democratic senator ben cardin of maryland. senator cardin, good evening. glad to have you with us. >> joshua, it's good to be with you. >> what's your understanding tonight of where this bill stands, the 2700-plus page bipartisan bill, how is that doing tonight? >> well, i think we're going to see the specifics of the bill before the night is out. this is going to be a good week for jobs, for bipartisan
legislation, for moving forward the infrastructure for transportation, for energy, for water infrastructure, broadband infrastructure, and creating jobs in america. and it's going to be done in a bipartisan manner. i think it's going to be a good week for the u.s. senate. >> earlier we had senator warren on with my colleague alicia menendez. how confident are you you're going to get to bed before sunrise? it seems like this has been going on quite sometime. >> it has been going on for a long time because quite frankly, the specifics are difficult to draft. one, the committees were not involved in the original drafting and, goes. we have been very busy all weekend making sure that the bill is drafted properly. i am confident that we'll see the bill tonight. and that we'll start voting on amendments tomorrow. i know that it's been a long process, but the prize at the end is not only passing this infrastructure bill, but getting on to the budget reconciliation bill which is so important for
the american people. >> what's the biggest thing, senator, that you like about this package, at least as you understand it so far, and the biggest thing that you would like to see improved? >> what i like about this bill, it incorporates the work of the committees on the transportation infrastructure that will significantly increase our ability on roads, bridges, transit systems, on rail. it will increase dramatically our water infrastructure, getting lead out of pipes, allowing us to move forward with a lot of projects that can help our environment and help as far as clean water is concerned. what i like about this bill is it's a major investment in modernizing america which will create a lot of jobs and it's done bipartisan. it paves the way where we can get the broader bill done that deals with protecting american families, such as dealing with affordable child care, pre-k, age 3 and 4-year-olds for
school. dealing with affordable college education. all those issues paves the way for us to get that done. >> what do you think are the odds of that? i know progressives in the house including ocasio-cortez that said they're not going to support the bipartisan bill unless the larger bill makes it through as well. senator joe manchin said he's not making any promises. what do you think? if you had to handicap it, does it look like they're both going to make it as they stand right now? >> there's been a lot of investment in moving this infrastructure bill forward by not only the republicans, but the democrats have been working very hard on this. i think we want to get this to the finish line. we recognize to get this to the finish line, we have two pieces of legislation we have to get done. >> so you're confident they'll both make it at this point? >> look, there's a lot of obstacles along the way. you can never make definitive
predictions in the united states senate, but i do believe we can get both of these bills done. we can get them done this year. we're certainly going to pass the budget resolution before we leave for august. leader schumer has made that very clear. so i am optimistic that we have a path forward that can really help the american people. >> i hear you aren't counting the chickens before they hatch. anything can happen here on out. one of the things some senators seem to be optimistic about is enough republicans will support the bill. that includes senator susan collins of maine. here's part of what she said earlier today. watch. >> i have worked with the members of our group so that we have a state-by-state analysis. and in the end i think we will have more than ten republicans who support the bill. >> senator, how do you see it? >> well, i think this bill will get more than ten republicans. we're talking about building
roads that are desperately needed in our community, improving our transit systems, improving the rail service, improving getting lead out of pipes. i can't believe that a lot of republicans don't want to be part of this historic effort. i served on the department of public works committee. we passed mainly components of this bill by unanimous votes. all the republicans joined the democrats. and that was the building block for this bipartisan bill, the work of our committees. so i am optimistic we will have a significant number of republicans who will join us on saying that we need to modernize america's infrastructure and we need to create better jobs in this country. >> let me shift gears a bit and ask you, if i may, about some more partisan matters including the comments that were caught on tape by house minority leader kevin mccarthy. this is not the first time that he has made some controversial comments along that line. listen. >> it will be before we swear in the president again. but the reason why i want you to
come, i want you to watch nancy pelosi hand me that gavel. [ cheers and applause ] and i promise you this. i won't bang her with it, but i'll bang the end to the socialism. >> now, part of me hears that and thinks this is the thing that kevin mccarthy has said before and he just kind of repeated a joke, dusted it off the shelf. but i think after january 6, after we had mobs of people stalking the halls of the capitol saying, nancy, where are you? it takes a whole different kind of tone for him to make that kind of joke. but how do you see it? >> well, it's horrible. for him to say for the republican leader to make those types of comments after what we went through on january the 6th. look, we need to heal this country. we'll have our partisan differences. we recognize that. but we have to bring our country together. we need leaders that are going to tell the american people we need to get you vaccinated so we
can get this virus behind us. we need leaders that are going to tell the american public that what happened on january 6 was an insurrection against our democracy. and those responsible need to be held accountable and we need to get to the truth. we need to have leaders that will level with the american people. our democracy depends upon it. america's global leadership depends upon t. i think leader mccarthy has failed to provide that leadership with those types of comments. >> before i let you go, i definitely want to ask you about the gubernatorial race in your state. michael steele has formed an exploratory committee to consider running for governor. currently maryland has a republican governor larry hogan. what do you think of there being another republican governor succeeding larry hogan? >> i'm very confident the democrats will win the governor's spot in maryland. we have great candidates running on the democratic nomination,
the democratic nomination. whenever there is an open seat for governor, you know you're going to get a lot of interest. i'm very confident the vision i've seen from those that are running on the democratic side is what the people of maryland want and they want to see that type of progressive leadership in our state. >> maryland senator ben cardin, senator, i hope you get to bed at a decent hour. until then i'll let you get back to work on capitol hill. thanks very much. coming up, persuading the unvaccinated. preaching and arguing don't really work. but a technique called motivational interviewing could help you convince others to get their shots. plus, who better to explain what simone biles might be going through than someone who has been on the mat herself, olympic medallist and three-time gymnast chelsea joins us later this hour. first richard lui is here with the headlines. >> hey, joshua. a video surfaced this week on
social media. the video may be disturbing to some viewers as you see it here. it shows a kaufman county deputy grabbing then pinning 18-year-old nakia to the ground. she could be heard saying, she cannot breathe more than 20 times in that video. deputies were responding to a call that a teen was jumping in front of traffic which she and her lawyer both deny was her. her mother was take tone jail and later released in this altercation. the teen was taken to a mental health facility for evaluation. the sheriff's department saying the technique the deputy used to pin her avoids obstructing breathing. the deputy it was put on leave pending an investigation. more of "the week" with joshua johnson right after this break. k ♪ [band plays] ♪ a place where everyone lives life well-protected. ♪♪ and even when things go a bit wrong, we've got your back.
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foundation shows the number of people who refuse to get vaccinated is holding pretty steadily. back in december, 15% of people said they would definitely not get a vaccine. after six months, that number had held pretty steady, 14%. that is despite overwhelmingly positive data about the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines. now, for many vaccinated people this is understandably frustrating. if you've ever tried to persuade someone to get their shot, perhaps you know how difficult that can be. but scolding people with facts and figures and data clearly are not changing many people's minds. i mean, would you want someone to scold you about anything? besides, there may be a better way with a track record of success. it's called motivational interviewing, and it could help you persuade someone you love to get vaccinated. joining us now is ken resnikow at the university of michigan's school of public health. professor, welcome to the
program. >> thank you for having me, joshua. >> you list a basic definition. what is motivational interviewing? >> motivational interviewing is a style of communication that is used amongst health care providers and many other facets of the health care delivery system that is patient centered. it uses a lot of reflective listening, supports autonomy, and generally doesn't use a lot of unsolicited advice. >> oh, oh, you're telling people not to give unsolicited advice. i think we already have a problem with this method for some of us. what's wrong with giving unsolicited advice, in your experience? >> well, a couple of rules. one is most of the advice that we offer people have already heard about and rejected already, so it's more of a nuisance factor. and until we first establish some rapport with the person, let them express their concerns, in this case bring you back to the vaccine, their concerns about getting the vaccine. until you've drained that swamp
with negative, until you have allowed them to discharge their resistance energy, advising them and informing them is premature. we first have to neutralize that resistance. >> elaborate on that, the idea of trying to drain the swamp as you put it. it sounds like something i've done as an interviewer where someone is busting with something they want to say and they're hot to say it. if i just let them speak and let them say what's on their mind, that buys me permission to ask whatever i want because they know that i've heard them and then we just talk like civilized people. it sounds kind of similar to that. >> it sounds like you've had some training in motivational interviewing, joshua. there are some very concrete tips we can offer people that allow that swamp to be drained. one of them is to use reflective statements. so when you ask someone what is worrying you most about the vaccine or what if anything can i do to help move you forward?
let them express their anger, their doubts, and refleck president-elect reflect it back with you're not convinced that the disease is as scary as people say. those send a mesa message, i'm trying to understand you, i'm not going to judge, you, i'm not going to push you. >> i think you got at the problems folks have with this. they don't want to understand. they have very strong judgments against people who have not only already got vaccinated, but resisted vaccination at a time when people are getting horribly sick and dying incredibly terrible deaths, and if they don't want to get vaccinated, then i can't reach them anyway, let me chew you out and get on with my life because you're a lost cause no matter what. what's wrong with that? >> well, i think that's certainly understandable, that frustration amongst the vaccinated. however, we know from hundreds
of randomized trials that that type of communication, guilt and shame or pressure, are not going to move the unpersuaded. we have to do things like affirm, things like, you really care about understanding this vaccine. you've really tried to figure it out. you value your independence. that is important to you. it's important to establish that bridge between you before we try to persuade or in any way inform. we understand it takes some psychologic discipline because human nature is aligned with what you just said, people are getting frustrated with the unvaccinated. it's not going to help. >> i'm sorry, professor, i want to be clear with what you're saying. you're talking about reflecting understanding, not agreement. this is what one of our former guests chris voss would refer to as tactical empathy. you're not saying you agree with them, you're reflecting back to say you heard them as they intended to be heard. is that it? >> precisely.
by using you statements rather than i agree statements, it shows i hear you, i'm not endorsing your belief but i understand what you're telling me. >> back in may, my colleague lawrence o'donnell held a vaccinating america town hall. one of the guests research helped us get to the vaccines we have now. she spoke to someone in the audience about their concerns about the safety of the vaccines and knowing who to trust. i'd love to get your reaction to the way she handled that situation. watch. >> you know, i get it. i completely understand. from where i sit, i think i've realized that through this moment i sit in a place of privilege where i have information on a day-to-day basis about these vaccines that the general person does not. but the one thing that reassures me constantly is seeing over time more and more people getting these vaccines, the data are so clear and crisp and that they are safe, that they are effective. >> now, right after the town
hall event, she hopped off the stage, spoke to the gentleman one on one and a few weeks later dr. corbett was there when he got the vaccine at a walgreens in virginia. professor, what do you make of how dr. corbett handled that? >> i think that was a highly empathetic encounter. there are some little tricks that we can incorporate into how she handled it by asking for permission to give information, and sometimes using this technique, we call it the lieutenant colombo technique. we pose information, i'll provide, you decide. rather than saying here's a very -- all the hosts of fox news and newsmax have been vaccinated. they're lying, too. in that case i'm telling the person how to think. instead we would recommend a more neutral approach where we elicit the interpretation on the part of the unvaccinated person. you might say, you know, i heard that many of the hosts from fox on america news have been vaccinated. how do you understand that?
what do you make of that? instead of put it back on the person to interpret the wrong information, that's another technique that seems to be effective with people who are highly react ant, as we say. >> and before i have to let you go, how have you seen this work on covid-19? this is not just some kind of like hopeful theory. this is actually being used by clinicians now to get more people vaccinated, right? >> yes, we're in the middle of several randomized trials in the state of michigan working through black and hispanic churches and working with federally qualified health centers who we've provided some training material so they can incorporate it into their work flows. we'll have results in weeks and months. based upon prior trials we're optimistic this is one of the best ways to handle the assertive independence. >> i think we've already tried anger. we might as well try empathy. there are too many lives to be saved not to try everything we can. professor ken resnicau,
professor thanks very much. now, getting people vaccinated is just one challenge in our post-quarantine world. what about the gatherings and events we took for granted before covid? prea parker is here to help us rethink how we gather just ahead. stay close. seeing blood when you brush or floss can be a sign of early gum damage. new parodontax active gum repair kills plaque bacteria at the gum line to help keep the gum seal tight. new parodontax active gum repair toothpaste. this is the greatest idea you'll ever hear. okay, it's an app that compares hundreds of travel sites for hotels and cars and vacation rentals like kayak does for flights.
it is a working weekend at the senate and that work is moving along. we have just learned that senate majority leader chuck schumer has officially introduced the finalized text of the bipartisan infrastructure bill on the senate floor. that's senator mike lee, a republican from utah who is speaking now. but senate majority leader schumer doubled down to take up the reconciliation instructions once this bill is passed. you may remember there are two bills we're talking about. the bipartisan hard infrastructure bill, roads, tunnels, bridges bill which is a half trillion dollar. then there is the human
infrastructure bill upwards of $3.2 trillion. that one would be passed along party lines through the process of budget reconciliation. so now we've got the text or we're waiting to get our hands on the text. but the text has been filed of this megabill which looks like something north of five reams of paper that now have to go through the regular process. they put a shell bill, place holder bill in until the next is done. now the text is done and we'll see what happens from here. it's not quite clear when the senate is going to adjourn. we mentioned senator mike lee of utah is speaking now. but they're trying to get some motion on this quickly because august recess is around the corner and democrats are trying to capitalize on some momentum for this and deal with progressives in the u.s. house. we're not entirely sure that the two bills will meet their policy needs. so the bill is in. we're trying to get our hands on it. we'll keep you updated through the evening and, of course, tomorrow. keep an eye on it online. if we learn more about it during this broadcast, we'll certainly let you know. all right.
let's move on. the highly contagious delta variant has upended many people's plans, i know it has mine. companies are rethinking returning to the office. the lollapalooza was canceled. now they are requiring masks in indoor spaces. you know, our get togethers may never be the same after this pandemic. that kind of makes this a perfect time to rethink how we gather and whether to make changes. prea parker specializes in sharpening the ways we show of and connect. in her book, the art of gathering, how we meet and why it matters she wrote, quote, gatherings crackle and flourish when real thought goes into them, when often invisible structure is baked into them, and when a host has the curiosity, willingness and generosity of spirit to try. unquote. prea parker joins us now. miss parker, welcome to the
program. i'm so glad you're here. >> thank you for having me, joshua. it's great to be here. >> i am really digging the book. i cannot wait to keep working my way through this. >> thank you. >> you see i have post-its. >> i see it. i'm very impressed, you've been doing your homework. >> it feels like it's one of those things everybody has a story about. the meeting that takes too long, the birthday party, more guac, please. there are so many issues with the way we get together. how is covid, specifically covid, shifted the way you look at the ways we gather? >> you know, i wrote the art of gathering more than three years ago. i had no idea that gathering would be something that seemingly overnight 16 months ago became illegal, became dangerous, became abolished temporarily. and when i wrote the art of gathering in 2018, i wrote it, in part, because even then, well
before, you know, we had to rethink how we gather, a lot of the ways we gather was not really working. we were on auto pilot meetings where you're like texting under the table, or weddings where you can't wait to, you know, leave a little early. and i'm a conflict resolution facilitator and i wrote this book, in part, to show how when we actually think about why we're gathering we're not stuck on auto pilot to the forms we think we have to do. and covid has basically upended the ways that we gather. first and foremost, we no longer take it for granted. >> for sure. >> we don't take it for granted that how we get together, when we get together, why we come together. and last march, basically overnight we all had to pause, the majority of us had to pause and basically think about how do we still meaningfully connect? how do we still get married? how do we still have a staff meeting when we can't physically
be in the same room? and what covid has done for the vast majority of people is help us actually pause and think about when and why and how you gather and for what. >> one of the challenges we've had is in dealing with our political and cultural controversies that have, it seems, flaired ever hotter in some of the gatherings we would probably prefer not to have to lean into some of those things. you write in your book about something called good controversy in terms of the way some gatherings work. you write, to embrace good controversy is to embrace the idea that harmony is not necessarily the highest and certainly not the only value in a gathering. good controversy helps us reexamine when we hold dear, our values, priorities, nonnegotiables. good controversy is genretive rather than preservationist. it leads to something better than the status quo. prea parker, tell us more about how that might be applicable in some of the ways that we're struggling to gather today?
>> one of the things that covid has done for us is unveiled many of the conversations and many of the systems that were not working for many, many people well before covid hit. and just began to make the implicit explicit. the racial reckoning that we've had around the country and in every organization and institution has basically made subtext into actual text. and part of what allows for good change is to begin to actually have conversations, listen to the people who often haven't had voices before, and so many of our institutions and our families, in our churches, we often -- connection is as threatened by unhealthy peace as it is by unhealthy conflict. so -- >> say that again. i'm sorry to interrupt you. say that one more time because i think that needs to be repeated. say that once again, please. >> so, connection -- meaningful
connection is often as threatened by unhealthy peace as it is by unhealthy conflict. people are not saying what it is they actually think. people -- i mean, twitter is not healthy conflict necessarily. >> no. >> but particularly within the communities that we want to belong to, within our neighborhoods, within our workplaces, so much of the ways we interact is actually determined by what we are not willing to say or what we are not willing to actually broach. and so we have an opportunity in this moment to, with guardrails, with ground rules, with centering the people who don't often get to be heard, have meaningful conversations about who are we as a company, who are we as a family, what have we learned the past year and a half about our church community, our mosque community. perhaps there were trickles before, but we weren't actually paying attention to in the ways
we take seriously. >> if we just drill into this one, i think it will be time well spent. in terms of the ways we get at that, you deal with it on page 244, you cite ida benedetto, the questions she asks in putting an event together. what are the risks, is it worth it and can we handle it with care? i think that that's one of the huge deficits i find in the way that some organizations try to lean into uncomfortable conversations. they want people to assume all this social risk of ripping open a wound and looking at what's inside it, but they are never really clear on what the gift is, what the planned payoff should be if everyone does their part. >> i love that you chose this quote and this moment from ida benedetto to focus on tonight.
she is this underground experience designer who well before covid creates experiences for groups, teams, families, groups of friends to help them take more safe risks together, psychological, physical. and i asked her, you know, when and how -- the rest of us aren't necessarily going to be planning those dangerous experiences, but what can we learn from you? she said, every time i'm working with a group, i ask myself these four questions. first, what is the gift in helping this group face this issue? second, what is the risk? third, is the gift worth the risk? and whether you're a family -- you know, i think we have this narrative that the country is so divided. all of those people over here and like we people over there. i'm biracial. i'm bireligious. i come from a family that is not
a monolith. i think i'm not alone. most of these conversations need to be happening within our communities. and often when we begin to have conversations with care, within our organizations, within our company, when you actually want to belong to a place, it increases the reasons and the purposes and the beneficiaries to actually have these conversations, but they need to be done with care and they need to be done with a very clear purpose in mind. >> and very briefly before i have to let you go, i know a number of companies are working through their return to work plans, what's one thing as you're working what you're calling gathering make overs, what's the one thing you want companies to keep in mind as they're thinking of returning to the office, briefly before we go? >> to really deeply think about when and who needs to come back and why, and what is the nature of the collaboration that truly needs to be in-person and what can actually be done virtually. and second, to explicitly have this conversation around who and what are we centering. i think teams should actually
pause and have this conversation, to ask three questions. first, when we couldn't gather and meet in the same ways, what did we long for? when you were meeting with your team, what were you so frustrated you were like, i wish we could just be in-person, i wish i could put this on a flip chart, i wish i could fight with you this way, and really seed that. the second is what didn't anyone miss, and let's not do that again. and then the third is what did we invent during the pandemic we actually want to bring with us? >> gotcha. >> and i'm offering these free conversations every wednesday to really help people re-imagine gathering, reentry, and to have this once in a generation opportunity to actually think about when and why and how do we gather. >> the book is called "the art of gathering, how we meet and why it matters." i cannot wait to put more post-its in this book. prea parker, pleasure spending time with you. thank you so much. coming up, simone biles says
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chellsie memmel is a three-time champion. welcome to the program. >> thanks for having me. >> i cannot imagine what the twisties must feel like. as soon as i heard about t i thought it's almost like when -- i can only imagine when i went on a roller coaster and came off the roller coaster, someone said, now do a backflip. i would be ready to run for the bathroom. there's no way i can do that without losing my lunch. so i can only imagine what it's like when you are sailing through the air and your brain doesn't know where your body is. how do you deal with that? can you get out of it? >> it's -- i mean, you can work through it, but it's not a process that can be rushed. sometimes you have to go back to the beginning and re-learn the skills, you know, from the start, starting with the simple twist, double twist. she's doing triple twisting double backs and that is one of the hardest skills that you can do. so it is very dangerous if you don't know where you are in the air. >> can you describe what it's
like in your mind when the twisties sets in? >> it's really hard to like just give you just like this really easy explanation of it. but like you're going, you do -- if you're tumbling, you do your hand spring. you get to the punch. planning to do, you know, your double twist, your triple twist and you start and then you just kind of stop and your brain is like, whoa, and your body freaks out, too. you sometimes open up and you have no idea where you are in the air. and it's so different because generally when we go, we know where we are. we plan on what we're doing. it's like your body and your mind are like, nope, not doing that. >> it's kind of like your brain tells your body, what are are you asking me to do? you shutdown. >> yep, yep. sorry. >> i didn't mean to take you back. i imagine it's kind of terrifying to think about. >> it is because, you know, i've had it when i was a kid.
sorry. my daughter decided ton do bedtime today so she's helping me explain the twisties here. >> that's all right, that's all right. how do you deal with that? what kind of support is there, mental health wise when you go through that? did you get what you needed to be able to take care of that? >> well, for me i did. my coaches were very understanding and we had the time. i wasn't in a competition. i wasn't in competition mode and i had the soft landings. i wasn't like when you're in a competition setting, you don't have all of the big soft mats, you don't have a pit foam to land in. i had the time to be able to go back and re-learn it, which is -- time say luxury simone obviously doesn't have right now being at the olympics. >> i'm tempted to make faces back, but i will resist. i'm not going to do that. could i ask you, though, as a parent what you think in terms of the impact that simone biles'
story might have for other women? there was an op-ed that used it as a positive role model for teens who might be struggling. it asks parents to take a hard look at their value system that pushes kids to obsess over what it described as extreme external achievement and performance. what do you make of that? >> i think, you know, obviously i think what she's showing is incredibly brave. it's incredibly smart just for her to put the safety of her mind and her body first and not just to try to push through and injure herself. some something like that could be catastrophic with the level of difficulty that she's doing. so to show athletes and, you know, not just gymnasts, but athletes coming up, that it's okay to take your time and to work through things and it's okay to not be okay. it's okay to take a setback and
need help. so i think the message that she's sending with this, especially being at the olympic games is huge. >> chellsie memmel, i appreciate you making time and delaying bedtime. thanks for making time for us. thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> tonight prea parker helped us show up to the things that matter to us. last night we asked how people around you are showing up. we'll share some of your thoughts before we go. p. we'll share some of your thoughts before we go.
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all right. before we split, we're following breaking news out of capitol hill. we mentioned chuck schumer delivered remarks on the senate floor this evening, before introducing the finalized text on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. here's part of what he said. >> given how bipartisan the bill is and how much work has been put into get the details right, i believe the senate can process relevant amendments and pass this bill in a matter of days.
then, i will move the senate along the second track, of our infrastructure effort, and take up the budget resolution, a bipartisan insfra structure bill is definitely necessary. but to many of us, it is not sufficient. >> leader schumer is referring to president biden's infrastructure plan. committees will take august to write the legislation. and before we go, let's check the inbox. yesterday, we asked how people around you are showing up for the things that matter to you. timothy writes, i live in shoreline, washington, a small city that shares a border with a seattle. i live in a adult family home, where my care is provided by two kind kenyan women. i had an idea, creating a zoom meeting with a class of kids in shoreline and kids in nairobi,
kenya. finding a group of kids in kenya to meet with kids in shoreline seemed difficult. but my friend read the idea and loved the idea and can see if he can find the appropriate help in a kenyan school. that was showing up for me in a big way. that sounds cool. very cool. laurie writes, how are people showing up for me? they aren't. it's florida. we have some great represents in the house. but it's so difficult to navigate the state, that it's hard to find the smart, science-believing, responsible folks that are here. and it's dangerous to look for them. finally, i think it's important that everyone show up and get their covid vaccine. if we are to end the virus issue we have, we need to stop complaining and put our personal feelings aside for the good of everyone. otherwise, we will have covid for years to come, with no cure in sight. deep down, i'm certain that
people have interested they want to protect, children, mothers, fathers and friends. well said. you can go to planyourvaccine.com if you want guidance in getting your shots. thank you for sharing your stories. thank you for making time for us. join us again at 7:00 eastern on peacock. you can download peacock from app store. we're here on saturdays 8:00 to 10:00, sundays at 9:00. follow us during the week for updates on guests and show highlights. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson, make it a wonderful week. good night. ♪♪
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