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tonight. lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, who testified in the first impeachment trial against former president donald trump about his phone call with the president of ukraine joins "the rachel maddow show" live at 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight on msnbc. but first, "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight, on "all in." the nationwide rise in covid cases continues and so does the red-state race to the bottom. >> we've got republican governors, across this country, pretending they didn't shut down their states. >> tonight, the republican governor actually doing the best job holding the delta variant at bay. then, surgeon general vivek murthy on a genuine vaccine surge across america. plus, new yorker's jane mayor on the dark money funding the big lie. and why is this congresswoman about to spend her fifth-straight night sleeping on the steps of the capitol? >> we can't go on recess. we can't go on vacation when
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millions of people's lives are at risk. congresswoman cori bush joins me live when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. as the delta variant moves through the country with truly stunning speed, senator lindsay graham is the latest lawmaker to contract the coronavirus. this afternoon, he announced via twitter he had tested positive. but the good news is he's fully vaccinated and experiencing mild symptoms, says he is grateful for that vaccination. other senators may have been exposed. graham attended a party on senator joe manchin's house boat on saturday. at least eight senators, including graham and manchin were at the party. several of those senators say they have tested negative since being on the boat. several others still waiting for results. senator manchin told reporters everyone onboard was vaccinated and the party was held on deck. >> we were outside. okay? and we were all -- everybody's been vaccinated. so, you know, i talked to
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lindsay today. he's fine. he feels good. >> how long did y'all go? how long was the event? >> oh, i don't know. >> couple hours? >> whatever it takes to eat a hamburger or two. >> so, the whole, good news, vaccine folks, others getting tested. fingers crossed for all of them. as we wait, we are watching republican governors across the country figure out how to negotiate this renewed public-health threat. and the story of three of those governors, in particular. is the story of republican politics, at the moment. and how deeply perverse the political incentives are in their party. so let's begin in florida, which reported a record number of cases over the weekend. over 21,000 new cases, in one day, according to data released on saturday. now, that's not great news. although, we should say, it is far less worrisome than it would have been, you know, six, eight months ago, before many people were vaccinated. that said, the state's vaccination rate is not great.
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56.3% of the eligible population is fully vaccinated. and hospitalizations, also, hit a record high in florida, yesterday, with more than 10,000 people hospitalized with confirmed covid cases. now, it's not like republican governor of florida, ron desantis, necessarily caused all of this. but he has been working, proactively, to make it harder to deal with the virus. back in may, you might remember, governor desantis signed an executive order that banned businesses, schools, and government agencies from requiring people to prove they were vaccinated. and then, in a completely deranged move, there is no other word for it, he refused to make an exception to that rule for cruise lines. cruise lines could not require vaccination on their cruise ships. on friday, desantis signed, yet, another executive order. this one, banning mask mandates in schools saying parents have the right to decide if their children would wear face coverings. of course, children can transmit as well as contract the virus,
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which is why you have those mask mandates. this is the new school year's about to start in person. kids under 12-year-old, of course, still, are not eligible to be vaccinated and we know they can spread the virus, and we know that masks do reduce transmission, particularly in indoor spaces. through all this, governor desantis has also been behaving like a trumpian troll. like, someone who is on a message board running a sort of shadow campaign against the evil dr. anthony fauci. making jokes at his expense. even warning against the country turning into a, quote, faucian dystopia at an event last week. at an event, if i am not mistaken, was out of state. selling t-shirts and beer koozies that say don't fauci my florida. florida is, once again, going through a significant outbreak. and while governor desantis did come out recently to encourage vaccination, the the majority of the governor's messaging, that is, when he is in the state for it, is that the tyrannical libs want to cut off your feet, you
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can do whatever you want, even if that means filling up hospitals. but here is the thing, right? ron desantis clearly wants to run for president in 2024. that is not at all a secret. so he needs to make sure the base of the republican party, the folks that are going to vote if that primary, know that he is not on the side of public health and the quote/unquote bureaucrats and the people trying to suppress the virus. no, he is on the other side. the side of freedom to catch covid and spread covid and keep the pandemic going. ron desantis has to watch his right flank, as well. and he's got a challenge from the most reckless governor in the entire nation when it comes to the virus. that, of course, is christy gnome. she is republican of south dakota. christy gnome essentially set off a biological weapon last summer throughout the entire midwest, not just her state, by allowing the sturgis motorcycle rally to go on. more than 400,000 people descended on the small south dakota city. and then, went back to their home states leading to over 200,000 covid cases according to an estimate from one study.
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and governor gnome recently bragged about not shutting down or instituting mandates throughout the pandemic. now, south dakota has one of the highest-death rates per capita in the country. and unlike states in the northeast that, remember, got hit before we had really any testing capacity or really knew what was going on. you know, south dakota was not in that first wave. south dakota had plenty of time to prepare for its outbreak, which hit its peak last winter. but this is what christy gnome is running on. freedom of the grave. her state did not shut things down. that led to more deaths per capita than, you know, almost any, other state. and that is why you should elect her president of the united states. that is why she deserves to be your leader, republican primary voter. and those other republicans, like ron desantis, well, they saved too many lives. >> we talk about rewriting history. let's talk about rewriting history. we've got republican governors across this country pretending they didn't shut down their states. that they didn't close their beaches. that they didn't mandate masks. that they didn't issue shelter
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in places. now, i'm not picking fights with republican governors. all i am saying is that we need leaders with grit. that their first instinct is to make the right decision. that they don't backtrack, and then try to fool you into the fact that they never made the wrong decision. >> i'm not picking fights with other republican governors but i just want you to know that i am one of the most relentlessly pro-covid governors in the nation. so we know that he knows that, right? he is a smart guy. thinking about all this. christy gnome's message seems to be the one that animates a huge part of the republican base, maybe the most. now, those are two governors. desantis and gnome. there is another republican governor, who is just nowhere in the 2024 discussion. has done, arguably, the best job of any governor in the nation, republican or democrat, in managing the pandemic. his name is phil scott. you may have never even seen a picture of the guy, or even heard of him before but he is, in fact, a governor. he is the governor of the state of vermont. now, yes, you say, vermont is a
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rural state with a small population. but you know what? so is south dakota. south dakota is also a rural state with a small population and as christy gnome shaz has shown, none of that precludes you from really screwing up the response to the virus. well, phil scott has done the opposite of christy gnome. he has been proactive since the beginning of the pandemic. instituting a mask mandate, last july. and crucially, rolling out a very, very successful vaccination campaign earlier this year. vermont is now the most-vaccinated state in the union. 76.6% of the eligible population, 12 plus, fully vaccinated. this dispatched from vermont describes a world where the pandemic has basically been defeated, suppressed. restaurants, bars, shops, open. hospital covid units are empty. the state is basically staved off an outbreak, brought on by the delta variant because they have such a high-vaccination rate. they also have among the lowest death rates per capita.
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now, this is a state that joe biden won by more than 35 points. it's a pretty liberal state. governor phil scott is a republican. but his approval ratings for his handling of the pandemic are through the roof. 71%, according to one survey, released in march. think about all this. what this adds up to. in any sane political culture, phil scott would, obviously, be a top-tier candidate for higher office. this is a guy who could walk onto the national stage and say, i managed a once-in-a-century pandemic better than any governor in our country as a republican in a democratic state with a 71% approval rating. but not only is that not the case, it's literally the opposite of the case. the fact that phil scott managed the pandemic so well is disqualifying. the base wants the politics of christy gnome. they don't want phil scott. so just think about the incentive structure that creates. and this is bigger than donald trump. donald trump, of course, is an inescapable republican party --
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part of republican party politics. but in some ways, he is -- he is one of a kind, right? i mean, if you asked me five years ago, six years ago, ten years ago, you know, who is the last person on earth, chris, you'd want to manage a pandemic? i'd probably say, like, donald trump would be up there. and it -- i was -- i would have been right. that went exactly as expected. but all this is about more than -- than trump's sociopathic blindspots and his insane narcissism. it's a broader truth about the culture of republican-conservative politics in this moment. what the hardcore base demands. what they demand, and what their institutions push for is, actually, incompatible with good governance. good governance means you're bad, politically. and that is the base for half of the politicians in this country. who hold at least half of the political power, sometimes more. in many states, a lot more. their base, the right-wing media, the institutions that feed all this, they are all actively incentivizing destruction, at every turn.
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kathleen sebelius, secretary of health and human services under president obama and she joins me now. i thought about you, today, for -- former governor, former secretary of hhs. you were governor in kansas which has, again, always been a pretty tft state. famously, a republican state for, you know, decades and decades and decades and decades. and -- and sort of came to -- yes, forever, right -- and sort of came to national prominence, you know, i remember, first, reading the stories about, well, there is this democratic governor of kansas and she is doing pretty well and she's successful. and it was a reason for people to sit up and take note. and i just feel like, if that universe existed now, or if there was a democratic governor like phil scott. that person would be kind of a national star. and it says something profound about where we're at that he is -- that he's the opposite of that, now. >> well, your analysis is -- is pretty troubling, chris. i -- i -- you know, i've known these facts. but watching you lay it out is
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even more disturbing. you know, my notion and it's not unique to me. it's been part of our political culture, all along. is that any elected official's first duty is safety and security of his or her constituents. that's where it starts. and so, whether you are in a, you know, once-in-a-lifetime pandemic or a snowstorm or a fire, you are obliged to protect your constituents. to look out for their best interest. to use the resources of your state. call on the resources of your nation, if needed, to, you know, make sure that people are okay. that they can survive. that they are not left on their own. so, what we're seeing across this country with republicans driven by their desire to be popular with the base of the party, is just the opposite. is people saying, you know, you're on your own. not only are you on your own,
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but the most vulnerable citizens in this state are on their own. we are going to do everything to try and make sure that all of the science that we know is not followed because that would be against our party belief. we're not going to listen to masking or promote vaccines or make it easier for people to stay away from affected folks. and, you know, i start this discussion about covid. we have 48 million children, across these united states, under the age of 12, who cannot be vaccinated. they are not eligible to be vaccinated. and, for god sakes, we have to begin thinking about spreading this very dangerous disease to those children. most of them will not get terribly sick but some of them really will. some of them will die. some of them could have long covid, for the rest of their lives. and i just can't imagine, we live in a country where adults
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are choosing to make their own children and the children in their neighborhoods and the children throughout their state the guinea pigs of this anti-science notion. >> yeah, i mean, i want to be clear just here about the sort of aggregate data on children, which is that they are miraculously and have quite low risk in the risk profile of what's happened and that has been a fairly durable finding, thank goodness. but, you know, the math is the math, right? low-risk events, if a million kids get infected, versus 10 million, you're going to see more kids with serious cases. that's just the -- the -- the way this is going to work. and to your point about the -- the masking in schools. you know, again, you can see -- feel the palpable sense in desantis, particularly, in his sort of performativety where he sents out his e-mails about fauci. where it's like two things going on. it's the governing over here, and then there is the trolling. but then, sometimes, he's got to do the trolling in the form of governing. you know, it's like it would be
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better if he just like saying dumb things about fauci. and keeping out of the policy. but when you start to do things like cruise ships can't require vaccination, you get into very dangerous territory. >> well, i live in a state, chris, right in the middle of the country. we have done better than our neighbors in missouri. but there is a lot of crossover traffic and we are seeing those outbreaks in the border communities. # but more than that, we have a republican legislature, who has done everything possible to tie the hands of our democratic governor. much like you see in some of these states. they, you know, don't want her to be able to issue mask mandates. they take away her powers to look at -- at school closings. anything that could keep people safe and secure, and we've done a pretty good job in kansas as we trying to get the vaccine out and about. but, you know, it is a back and forth that should never happen. we should, all, be able to agree that the public health of our citizens is number one.
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and we have these miraculous vaccines. >> this is -- this is the thing that really -- this is really, to me, the -- the -- the real -- you know, when you talk about the other measures we've used. there are real cost-benefit analyses there in terms of what it's done when we, you know, gone to distance school. what it's done to businesses when we've shut them down. all -- all that stuff. there is even a little bit of folks who say, look, for businesses, mask mandates are -- are -- are a little difficult. but, the -- the -- there is nothing like that with the vaccine. and you have got people that do want to command attention, and do want a platform. you could just throw yourself into that, if you were christy gnome or ron desantis or, you know, any of these people in the way that the governor of vermont, phil scott, apparently, has, right, been successful. and there is no tradeoffs there but they are not doing that. you are not getting, you know, e-mails from desantis all the time about all what -- what -- what he is doing on vaccines. you are getting it at like anthony fauci. >> well, and it -- it -- if you think about not only is it terrifying right now. so the -- you know, average
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seven-day caseload is up about 500% over where we were in mid-june. that's not a good place to be. we are a couple weeks away from school opening and we have higher rates in many states than we did last year, at this time. so not a good place to be. but as you say, you know, this undercut of science, in light of what's happening. what happens the next time? do we just say we didn't mean it? people shouldn't get their kids vaccines? we won't pay any attention to the polio vaccine? we're not going to -- or we just believe this for covid because it's separate and -- and we believe in science for everything else. none of this makes any sense and it puts us in a very dangerous position. kathleen sebelius, always a pleasure to get to talk to you. >> nice to talk to you, chris. all right. it's a month late. but today, the country did finally meet president biden's vaccination goal that he had
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u.s. finally hit that mark. over 180 million people in this country have received at least one dose. that number has been driven higher, recently, in states with some of the worst surges in new-covid cases. louisiana has the highest covid infection rate, in the world, right now. the state just experienced its highest spike in single-day covid hospitalizations, since the very start of the pandemic. only 53% of adults have received at least one dose of the vaccine. that is changing, however. louisiana's now administering twice as many shots, as it was two weeks ago. you see that spike right there. more than 9,000 people are being vaccinated, daily, in louisiana. that's most since the beginning of april. other southern states with covid surges are looking similar. in alabama, where just 54% of adults have gotten one dose, more people are now getting a shot. you can see that trend line moving in the right direction at the end there. same thing happened in arkansas, which saw one of the first-major surges of the delta variant in the country. and where 58% of adults have now gotten one dose. so, if there's one, tiny silver
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lining in the completely unnecessary covid surge in communities across the country now, it is that more and more people are, finally, going out to get vaccinated. dr. vivek murthy is the surgeon general of the united states, and he joins me, now. um, what do you see in the data across states, in terms of the relationship between high levels of community transmission and people getting out and getting vaccinated? >> well, chris, it's a really good question. and what we see, in fact, is that the states that have low-vaccination rates are the ones where we are seeing the greatest surges. now, this is what you would expect because, when you have low-vaccination rates, you have low protection. and -- and that's what we have been worried about, all along. thankfully, the states that are at the top end of the scale, in terms of their vaccination rates, are actually doing pretty well in terms of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. so, that is good. but what is reassuring, also, is despite how bad this has gotten, we are seeing a significant
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uptick in the vaccination rate across the country. and particularly, in states that have been very hard hit, like louisiana and mississippi and alabama and arkansas. we have just got to keep that going, chris, because the key to ending this pandemic, getting those cases not just to come down but stay down is, ultimately, getting people vaccinated. >> it seems, to me, we are flying a little blind right now about the trajectory that we're on. partly, because there is a whole bunch of dynamic factors at play. both, at the policy level, in the behavioral level, at the vaccination level. about how bad the covid surge of delta will get. how quickly it might abate. one of the things we have seen in other places from india to the uk is extremely sharp surge up, and -- and equally rapid decline down. we saw that happening in the uk. which is a more vaccinated society than our own. but we're in the ballpark. do you feel like you folks, inside the white house, have a good sense of the modeling of where this is going? >> well, it's a really good question, chris.
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and one thing we have seen over the last 18 months is when these surges take off, and when they come down, is hard to predict. and it's not always clear why they come down. and why they come down as quickly as they sometimes do. but you are right, both, in a country that is more vaccinated than us, the uk, we've seen that sharp upslope and then downslope. and in india, a country that's far-less vaccinated than we are, we have seen a similar pattern. and so, that may happen here, but what we know right now, chris, is that we are on the up surge and we are seeing cases increase significantly, each day. in the short-term, if you want to reduce that, you have to take mitigation measures and that includes wearing masks. it's one of the reasons the cdc advised people to really up their masking practices, including if they are fully vaccinated to help prevent transmission. but in the longer term and medium term, it's the vaccination that, ultimately, gets rates to stay down, once they come down. and that's why this has got to be an all-out push. as much progress as -- as we've
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made, chris, and as encouraging as the last few weeks have been in terms of vaccination rates, we still have millions of people who are not protected from this virus. and this is a variant that moves fast, let me tell you that. it is the most transmissible version of covid that we have seen, to date. >> on the masking issue, i mean, what do you say to someone that says, look. i -- i am not an ideological anti-masker. i am vaccinated. i want people to be safe. but when i look at the data and i do a risk assessment, for myself, and i -- i -- i look at the provincetown data, for instance, and it seems like, look, the vaccines are basically doing their job. i want to be able to hang out with people inside. or go to bars inside and not wear a mask. if i am vaccinated, why should i be -- um -- thinking about masking? >> well, it's an important question, chris. and there's something you said, i think, which is worth underscoring 100 times. which is that the vaccines are doing their job.
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and that's the critical message that we got to make sure people don't lose sight of. what the vaccines are doing, even with delta, is they are dramatically reducing your chances of dying or being hospitalized if you get sick. and even though it's a small portion of people, who get breakthrough infections once they're vaccinated, we are a he seeing, on top of that, those infections, by and large, are mild or asymptomatic. that is all because the vaccines are working and working well. but the reason that the cdc is asking vaccinated people to mask when they are in public-indoor spaces, especially if they are in, you know, high or substantial, you know, transmission zones is because we recently came across data that helped us understand that breakthrough infections with delta can continue to transmit. now, you might ask, well, why do i really care about that if i'm vaccinated? well, the reason that you should care is even though you may -- are likely going to be fine even if you have a breakthrough infection. the transmission that you may contribute to may keep, again, the spread of this virus going
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in your community. and particularly, if you're somebody who has unvaccinated people at home, like children under 12. or if you have immunocompromised family members at home. those are, especially, reasons why you want to be even more cautious so you don't bring virus home to those at home. >> final question for you. um, we are going to head into the fall and the winter. covid's not going to go away. hopefully, our vaccination levels will be higher. we can suppress community transmission but we know it is seasonal. is there anyone in the biden administration, whose job it is, the point person, to solely work on indoor ventilation in the united states of america, in public and private institutions, in terms of hepa filters, in terms of redoing ventilation, there is a ton of money out there and i am worried this is not happening. >> well, it's a really important question, chris. we know ventilation is a critical strategy. um, there is not a single individual who is doing vent -- ventilation, and ventilation alone. it's actually a big job and the
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job of actually ensuring that schools have the support that they need to improve ventilation is something the department of education is support -- is very focused on. the department of labor and teams there are focused on supporting workplaces, in their effort to improve ventilation. but what i would agree with you on, chris, is that in public conversation, i do agree that ventilation often gets relegated to the, i would say, lower on the priority list. and it's really, really important. it's why we see, actually, such a profound difference between transmission indoors, versus outdoors. and one of the things covid has helped us to realize is probably not just for covid but for other respiratory illnesses that ventilation is, absolutely, critical. >> there -- there is a huge amount of upside bonus for the health of the american people across a variety of respiratory and airborne infections, if we could get better ventilation. dr. vivek murthy, surgeon general of the united states. thank you for making some time with us, tonight. >> thanks so much, chris. take care.
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nearly seven months after the violent-failed coup on january 6th, the trauma for many of those who defended the u.s. capitol continues. tonight, we have learned that a third police officer who responded to the attack that day has taken his own life. d.c. metro police officer gunter hashida was found dead in his home last thursday according to the department. he was 43 years old, leaves behind a wife and three kid. speaker of the house nancy pelosi released a statement saying, quote, officer hashida was a hero, who risked his life to save our capitol, the congressional community, and our very democracy. all americans are indebted to
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him for his great valor and patriotism on january 6th, and throughout his selfless service. again, he is the third officer to die by suicide. 51-year-old capitol police officer howard liebengood died by suicide three months after the riot. metro police officer, 35-year-old jeffrey smith, less than a month later. last week, we learned an excruciating detail about what the officers went through to protect the capitol, that day. and in some instances, what they are, still, going through. >> for most people, january 6th happened for a few hours. but for -- but for those of us who were -- were in the thick of it, it has not ended. that day continue to be a constant trauma for us, literally, every day. whether because our physical or emotional injuries or both. >> in the immediate aftermath of the attack, it was impossible to sweep what had happened under the rug. even wide swaths of corporate
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america, which is, of course, inclined towards business as usual because, well, that's how they operate. a bunch of them took a step back and said we are going to suspend donations to the more than 140 republicans, who voted for the goal of the insurrectionists, which was to overturn a free and fair election. but as we have reported on this show, and as watchdog groups, like citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington, have highlighted, a lot of those corporations have, slowly but surely, come back to funding these very people. as you can see from this chart, some corporate pacs and industry groups started reneging on their promise, just days after the insurrection. boeing resumed their political donations, back in may. they are now the largest donor to republican politicians who voted against the election. there are other defense contractors on that top list of donors, like general dynamics and lockheed martin. then, there is toyota, resumed donations back in february saying quote, we do not believe it is appropriate to judge members of congress solely based on their votes on the electoral certification. toyota reversed course, again. they are not giving them money, anymore, after intense blowback
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to those donations. so, pressure does work here. but the vast majority of these companies are going to remain on the side of business as usual. go along, to get along. ups, for instance, which is once again giving generously to republicans who voted against certifying president biden's win because, quote, we look to support candidates who are aligned with us on issues that impact ups, as an enterprise. now, i would say, the functioning of american democracy, probably, gonna impact them as an enterprise. but corporate donations to republicans, who tried to overturn the election, are just one part of the big-money picture. there is a whole, other part that's, in some ways, even worse. and -- and that is people with very deep pockets funding the continued postalization of the big lie. a few wealthy conservatives are able to use their money to undermine u.s. elections. dark-money organizations sustained by undisclosed donors have relentlessly promoted the myth that american elections are rife with fraud. and according to leaked records
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♪ ♪ ♪ huge parts of the conservative movement are engaged in an effort, day by day, to come up with new ways to discredit the very idea that american elections are fair and legitimate. when someone person wins, the other person loses and that's it. because the idea is to manufacture enough doubt and uncertainty to be able to toss out any outcome, that is unfavorable to them. in a new piece in the new yorker, staff writer jane mayer outlines who is bankrolling this effort. quote, although the arizona audit may appear to be the product of extremists, ha t has been fed by sophisticated, well-funded national organizations. and jane mayer, joins me now. um, jane, i thought it was a great piece and great reporting.
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maybe, we can start on the arizona audit. because that -- that, in some ways, one of the sort of highest-resolution examples of this. i mean, it is not being paid for by the state. um, it's being funded, privately. what do we know about who is funding this enterprise? >> well, it's actually being funded by allies of -- of former-president trump. and um, that -- that is the vast majority of the money that's going into it. the state senate has put something, like, $150,000 in. and there is over 5 million coming from trump supporters. some of the better-known ones. um, there's patrick burn, who is the founder of overstock, the company. and um, and -- and people like michael flynn and sidney powell. they have set up nonprofits that are putting money into that -- that recount. um, so, um, it's mostly out-of-state funding. and -- and -- but that's just
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the tip of the iceberg about what's really going on. i went out to -- to arizona to take a look at the audit. and -- and what you find is what looks like sort of local kookiness really has roots that go to some of the -- the bigger and more established conservative foundations in this country. um, and in particular, there's one foundation that's really been, kind of, like the wellspring of money for sort of fraudulent vote fraud theories. and -- and that is the bradley foundation in milwaukee, wisconsin, which has something, like, $850 million in its -- in its treasury. >> yeah. you say a lot of the disparate nonprofits that are sort of working in this space, and again, it's from sort of at one level, the -- the -- the election was fraudulent and stolen. to voting restriction, writ large. but these disparate nonprofits working on this have one thing in common. they have all received funding
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from the lind and harry bradley foundation based in milwaukee. the organization has become an extraordinary force in persuading mainstream republicans to a tactic once relegated to the far right. what is the -- the -- the bradley foundation and who are they funding? >> so, the bradley foundation was founded by -- um -- two john birch society members. who way back, they sold the company -- the heirs sold the company to a big-defense contractor for $1.6 billion. and so, it's -- it's a very rich foundation, even though it's a very private foundation. and what's interesting to me, as i think it should be to many people, is it has some very prominent people on its board. it has robert george, who is one of the best-known sort of catholic intellectuals. he is a professor at princeton. it -- it -- it has paul clement
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who is known as one of the best supreme court advocates. and it has a number of very deep pocketed corporate people, extremely wealthy families. and so, this -- and they -- they are funding a -- a kind of a clutch of lawyers and -- and advocates who have really questioned the reliability of elections in this country, when there is really no evidence that there is fraud. they have pushed this myth. and they pushed it for years. i mean, so the bradley foundation, by my reckoning, came -- put something like $18 million into sort of the vote fraud, you know, it -- it -- it's like a network of people pushing fraud. pushing the idea of fraud. and trying to really fear monger on the whole thing. it's very -- it's a very useful myth for people who want to discredit american elections. and um -- and -- and -- and put in their own candidates. >> you know, one of the things i was struck by reading your piece is you don't need that many
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deep-pocketed ideologically zealous funders to -- to do a lot. i mean, we're not -- you know, we are not talking about hundreds and hundreds of different foundations. i mean, these are -- it's a relatively small group of folks, with a lot of money that, if they decide this is where they are going to put their emphasis, they can -- they can make a lot of headway. >> it is interesting and it's a relatively small group that's been fanatical on this subject. and -- and -- and it -- and it links in with sort of the -- the big kind of right-wing media complex, too. so, one of the -- one of the organizations at the bradley foundation has put some money into is -- is turning point usa, charlie kirk's group. which then goes on social media and just pumps out the message, as do some of the others who are involved in this thing. and they litigate. i mean, and they're still litigating. you know, they're -- they're -- there are a number of them, people i interviewed, who were still trying to overturn the last election.
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>> and -- and do you think this is a growth area, i guess, is the question? or is this a kind -- i mean, it seems, to me, a growth area, at least in the base. but is there a growth area for the folks that are behind the kind of deeper-pocketed organizations pushing this? >> i mean, i do. what i worry about and what the people i interviewed worry about is that they are laying a foundation for 2022 and 2024. um, the -- the idea of being that they can challenge elections and they can, also, of course, attack the vote in -- in many states. and there is all kinds of new legislation cracking down on voting. so this is a forward-moving movement, basically. >> jane mayer, it's great reporting. you can check it out in the new yorker. definitely, check it out. thanks for making time tonight. >> great to be with you. >> all right. if you follow congresswoman cori bush of missouri on twitter, you know, it was pretty cold this morning in washington,
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d.c. that's what the congresswoman tweeted from inside her sleeping bag at 5:00 a.m., anyway. this is what it looks like when a member of congress sleeps out on the capitol steps. the missouri congresswoman is among those protesting to reinstitute the eviction moratorium that expired over the weekend. she says she intends to sleep on those steps, again, tonight. but first, she joins me here, next. # she joins me here, next ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ it's a new dawn... ♪ if you've been taking copd sitting down, it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy helps people breathe easier and improves lung function. it also helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed.
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the past few nights a member of congress has been sleeping on the steps of the u.s. capitol protesting the failure of the house to extend the federal moratorium on evictions before going on vacation. moratorium was put in place in september by the cdc. it expired on saturday. now, back in june that moratorium barely survived a supreme court challenge when justice kavanaugh chose not to strike it down because, well, it was about to expire anyway. the moratorium's lapse leaves 3.6 million americans in danger of losing their homes.
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i am joined by that member of congress sleeping outside the capitol since the house went home, congresswoman cori bush who experienced housing insecurity herself. congresswoman bush, great to have you. this is not an action that every member of congress would take every day. why is this so important to you? >> you know, i am just a strong believer in, first of all, humans helping humans. that's how i ended up out of the situations that i was in. someone reached out. someone helped me. my family was there for me and a family friend helped me get out of that situation. but then also just i know what it's like to have to walk through every single piece of what happens when an eviction is possible in your life and then what happens when you are actually evicted. and what that does to you emotionally, physically, mentally, what it does to your
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family. like it is actual violence on a person. you know, to be evicted. and i don't wish that on anyone. i said when i ran for office that if there is anything that i could do to prevent other people, especially the people of st. louis, from going through what i went through, all of those hardships, i would do it. i would put myself out there and do it, so here we are. >> i want to present to you the argument that has been made both by the national association of realtors and the landlord lobby and those who made these arguments in front of the supreme court that the original eviction exceeded the authority the cdc had, but what i heard recently is, look, the pandemic is not where it was in september. yes, the delta variant is out there, but this can't be a policy that is extended forever. so now is the time to bring it to a close. what do you say to that? >> no way. no way.
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because we're talking about 7 million people, possibly up to 11 million people. it would be bad enough if it was 20, if it was 100 people. that would be really, really bad. if would be bad if it was 1,000. but millions of people will be out on the streets, forced out of their homes, hundreds of thousands probably have already been forced out of their homes. people have sent me pictures of what dockets look like with the names on evictions. no, that is not good enough. we are talking about the highest government of the united states of america. this is unacceptable. we have to do better by people. and the other thing is this. people look to us because there is nobody else that can fix this. people look to us to make sure that they are -- that this is done. we can't sit around and point the finger at anybody. we have to get it done. and i think about those moments when i was unhoused, sleeping out of a car, and just wondering
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who can do something? who can help? like, where are the real resources? you know what? when it's so cold outside and like it was -- it was pretty cold last night. the wind was blowing through my sleeping bag as thick as it was. i could not get warm. there was nothing i could do to get warm last night. and it rained. that's the other thing. it was raining. the sleeping bag was wet. this is what people live through that actually have to live on the streets. so many problems. so many difficulties. so many barriers to being able to move out of their place. i will not sit by and be quiet because we want to talk about procedure and protocol and -- let's just do the job to make sure are taken care of. we can deal with court cases, the state. let's get that pen right now, get the moratorium done. >> so the moratorium would have to pass congress. the biden administration has said, look, we don't think we
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have legal authority to extend it. it narrowly survived a court challenge. it has to be something that congress would do. you are there because you want congress tomorrow come back and pass it. it would then have to go to the senate and that seems a tough road. are you just sort of, like, one thing -- one thing at a time, i guess? >> yeah, yeah, one thing. well, well, yeah, kind of one thing at a time. the first thing for me, i'm not letting up on whether the white house should go ahead and get this -- the moratorium reinstated. i understand what the cdc is saying. i understand that there could be a court challenge. we get that. that won't take two days. that will take -- that -- that timing would give us an opportunity to be able to bring the caucus back and be able to get those votes. but then also if the -- the senate -- the house has to worry about the house. we need to get our work done. the city won't do anything if we don't start. we know for a fact that nothing
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will happen if we don't start. we have to do that. we cannot legislate worried about what somebody -- what somebody else is gonna do. we need to do our work. that's what the people elected us for. otherwise, they could have just elected a senate. >> final question for you. there is, like, $45 billion of rental assistance that was in the legislation passed last year and i think 90% is undistributed. this is the most insane part of this story. there is tens of billions of dollars in rental assistance for back rent sitting in state coffers and not getting distributed. it seems that has to change, too, right? >> absolutely it has to change now. we are calling on states and local governments to go ahead, that have those fund, to go ahead and get those funds out. don't give a percentage of it. give the funds out because we are trying to keep people in their homes. that was money that was sent -- that money was sent -- we did the work to get that. and usually the problem is
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because the funds aren't there. we are talking about the funds being will there. $40 billion, billions with a "b" sitting there when people are in the middle of a global deadly pandemic sitting on the street. >> congresswoman cori bush, democrat from missouri, thank you for making time with us. congresswoman cori bush was recently on our podcast. i can't recommend it enough. she is an incredible person. into that is "all in" on this monday night. "the rachel maddow show" starts with ali velshi at the helm. >> it's not just that -- she -- this is kind of authentic to her, right? cori bush sleeping out in the streets. she is not so distant from a person who didn't have shelter. so to her this is real. the concept of electk people who have had the experience of real people is find of amazing. >> yes. and she is really one of a kind. well, one of a small group up in that capitol that have the life