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get a referral from a current or former employer before the concert processing the. cases they are responsible for getting themselves and out of their country without u.s. assistance. we will keep you updated. that does it. it's time now for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. i have to tell you, we reported really interesting things but that conversation with lieutenant colonel vindman, it's inspiring. his view is that there are lots of americans like him. he is not a standout. there are lots of people in government, you know this better than, any who are actually prepared to take a stand and suffer the consequences. >> that is exactly what i wanted to mention to you, ali. it was really a great interview. i am so glad that you let it breathe and go on as long as it did. i especially like the part -- which we can never hear before now -- of what's life is now, and what his life is going to be.
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we all knew about when he lost. we all knew about the military career he lost as a result of bravely crossing donald trump. but to hear where he's headed was so encouraging and that in itself was inspiring. that he is turning what's happening to him into a positive direction in his own life. >> he has never doubted, even though it cost him heavily. he never doubted the decision to do the right thing. it was heartening. >> thank you ali. >> have a good shell. >> thank you. very bad things happen to donald trump when people see his tax returns and donald trump knows that which is why he always tries to prevent anyone from seeing his tax returns. donald trump has suffered another big loss in his lifelong campaign to hide his tax returns. the trump treasury department in the trump justice department violated the law and lied about the law by refusing to allow the irs to handle her donald
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trump's tax returns to the chairman of the house, richard neil. the law on this couldn't be simpler. it has no exceptions. the law requires the irs to hand over any tax returns requested by the chairman of the health means committee or, the chairman of the senate finance committees. the chairs of those committees have authority that the president doesn't have. the president cannot demand to see tax returns, the chairman of the committee can. two years ago, chairman neill demanded to see the trump tax returns, and now, the justice department has purged itself of the lies that the trump justice department told to withhold those tax returns from the chairman of the house the
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committee, and the irs will be forced to turn over the trump tax returns to the chairman of the house committee asked soon as this week. donald trump's lawyer issued a classically stupid statement that has become the trademark of all trump lawyers. he told the wall street journal, that he objects to the irs actually complying with the law, and giving the tax returns to the chairman of the ways and means committee and he races this objection not only on behalf of my client, but on behalf of all future holders of the offices president of the united states. if you are 50 years old or younger every president of the united states during your lifetime, has made their tax returns public.
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they handed them over to you, all except one. the last time donald trump's tax returns had to be handed over, was when the manhattan district attorney obtained donald trump's tax returns in february of this year. four months later, exactly four months later, donald trump's company was criminally charged with tax crimes and donald trump's accountant was in handcuffs, charged with tax crimes that were found in those trump taps returns that were handed over to the manhattan district of attorney. the house oversight committee has released new evidence from the trump justice department. our first guest tonight says it could be the smoking gun incredible -- criminal investigations of donald trump's attempts to commit election fraud and overturn the presidential election. daniel goldman says, any state
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or federal prosecutor can use the statements against him. the evidence is hand written notes by the then acting deputy attorney general richard donahue, who was listening to donald trump's telephone conversations with the then acting attorney general jeffrey rosen. the notes indicate, attorney general rosen was asking donald trump to understand that there was nothing that the department of justice could do to change the outcome of the election quote -- unknowns show that the president of the united states responded just saying that the election was corrupt, and leave the rest to me and the are
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congressman. later, in the same phone call, the notes show donald trump saying -- those justice department notes will surely be used in the house select committees investigation on the attack on the capital in the weeks leading up to that attack. yesterday, adam kinzinger, a member of the committee said he wants to know exactly what donald trump was doing every moment that the capital was being attacked. >> i would support subpoenas to anybody that can shed light on that. if that's the leader, that's the leader. if it's anybody that talked to the president that can advise us that info, i want to know
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with the president was doing every moment of that day after he said, i will walk to you with the capital. after moby dick's stood up and said we will kick back side and take names, today is the time patriots take their country back from other people. i want to know what they were doing because that will be important. >> leaning us off tonight's daniela goldman -- daniel goldman, he was the lead counsel for the house intelligence committee during the first impeachment inquiry of donald trump. daniel goldman, let me talk to you about that. as evident tree smoking guns go, how smoky is this one? let me just read these department of justice notes once again. this is the president trump saying, just say that the election was corrupt, and leave the rest to me and the are congressman. >> it is pretty bad, lawrence. it is pretty far up there in terms of the smoking gun particularly because, we know
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that the president committed various acts that if with criminal intent, could amount to a crime. the real question here is what did donald trump know in the lead up to january 6th, and what did he intend through his speech on january 6th, his inaction after the capitol was storm, and what did he know in advance of it? these notes really shed a lot of light on what was in his head which is always the most difficult to prove an any prosecution. the fact that he is demanding that the department of justice just say that the election was corrupt, with no factual basis to support that, demonstrates that his intent in imposing the election, and in everything he was doing, was done with
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corrupt means. with a corrupt intent. that is where you get mens rhea, which in the criminal law is the necessary intent to charge someone. now, the federal and state prosecutors if there are any looking at this, and we know there are some looking at january 6th -- now they go back to what the elements of the specific crime, that would be a push bubble to donald trump's conduct. they would have to see whether or not he met those elements. this gets prosecutors closer to the most difficult element, which is intent. >> let's say you've got a grand jury going in fulton county georgia, which they do. the district attorney general is presenting to the grand jury there. possible election fraud by donald trump based on the taped phone call to the georgia secretary of state, in which donald trump is saying, find
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the 11,000 votes. when he does not say on that tape, i'm sure a few conducted an absolutely accurate count, you would find those 11,000 votes. that of course would be with the trump defense would claim he meant. when you combine the actual words we here on that phone call, with this set of note saying, just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me, leaving the rest to me sounds like i will make the phone calls to the secretaries of state and whatever the rest is, it sounds like the rest was what he was doing in georgia. >> lawrence you've got a future as a prosecutor. that is exactly the way that a prosecutor would think about. it would are the defenses? if you see those words on a transcript, how can they be
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entered paraded -- and temper interpreted. finding the votes like he's asking him to do something wrong, improper, a legal. there's a legitimate explanation that what he meant was, just do a recount and see what you can find. when you combine that with his efforts that were wet he said through the department of justice around the same time, to just say the election was corrupt without any factual basis, forget about whether it was or not, just say it, then you can apply that to what he said to brad raffensperger, just as you said. and then becomes more nefarious. that's why these notes, and i'm sure there's more, lawrence -- washington report said he was calling over every days before january. 60 think brad raffensperger was the only republican official in any of the states that he was trying to overturn in which he
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was trying to overturn the election that he was calling? of course not. he brought in the republican legislators from michigan to the white house to try to convince them to overturn the election. i am certain if you dug a little deeper -- deeper, what is not public is a lot more can spiritual confidence like he said to the department of justice. >> another place where there is more, and you know as a prosecutor, if you got these notes and you are looking an investigation of donald trump, you know they are just notes and they are actually incomplete sentences and there are symbols instead of words. it is entirely likely that jeffrey rosen, donahue, the people who were hearing this phone call, actually have more words in their heads then are put down in the writing there and that these note simply refresh their memory to other lines that could be also very
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incriminating and very informative that might not actually be in the right notes. >> that's always possible. the fact that donahue is a professional it took him temporary medias notes it's very helpful. it will allow him to refresh his memory. he make a good point, lauren. so there is more in the notes we aren't even talking about which is, donald trump admitted he was a keen observer and leader of the internet. you and i know now that before january 6th, there was a lot of internet chatter about plans to storm the capital on january 6th. the big question on the impeachment two point oh wasted donald trump read those plants? there was no witnesses, no way to figure it out. he is here admitting that he is very attentive to the internet, far more so than the department of justice. i don't think that gets you all
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the way that you need to get to in order to demonstrate that he knew what the plans were before january 6th, but it is certainly very helpful. >> daniel goldman, thank you very much for your legal expertise on these notes. really important. >> thank you. >> my pleasure. joining us now is tim bryan, senior con -- columnist and author of trump nation. he was sued by don trump in 2006, and he of course one and quest donald trump in court. tim, there is such an interesting thing here going back to colonel vindman who appeared in the previous hour with ali velshi. you remember in the ukraine situation, donald trump was on the phone simply trying to get them to say that they were having an investigation on joe biden in the ukraine, they didn't have to have the investigation. he just wanted them to say they were having investigation. that is an echo of what we are seeing in the department of
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justice notes. just say you are with the department of justice, just say there was something wrong with the election. that's all you have to do. you don't actually have to do the work and find anything wrong with the election. >> that's actually also happening in a theatrically grotesque way and al arizonian. we have this sham recount going on and republican officials from pennsylvania and wisconsin have visited arizona to watch that process, lawrence. i think they don't really care if at the end of the day they find evidence of wrongdoing. findthe mere act of calling the election into question, is the enough to raise doubts in the voters minds that they won it allegedly. that is behind all the litigation around the big lie. we are in this moment in which donald trump, who is the most nefarious performance artists to ever have the oval office,
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is using that kind of performance art in a number of realms i think to overturn the rule of law and democracy. >> tim, i always want to talk to you when new inside information about donald trump emerges, especially when it is quoting donald trump in operation. you know him better than almost all reporters and you've had dealings with him unlike any other reporter has. i have a feeling that when you read those notes, the doj notes, it's a very different thing than when i read them. i never had a conversation with the guy. you read those notes, what does it tell you about the donald trump that you know? >> that, you know, i don't think anybody -- or enough people, understand when donald trump got elected, the extent to which he is willing to corrupt everyone around him into overthrow
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institutions, norms, and the law, in order to get his own way. he does it in small and large ways every minute of every waking day of his life. it is how he operates. there is very few people who exist in that orbit around him who don't either become co-opted, or corrupted by it. you saw this day in and day out. what he wants to do is get a fall guy or woman who goes out and jumps into this trench first and appears to be the main actor. while they go out there and they take the brunt of the criticism or the risk for doing it and he is in the background like a puppet actually doing the dirty work. in that note -- the notes from the doj that rosen took, you see that happening in realtime. just go out, there send up the,
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flare i will just take care of the rest. i am good at. this i do it all the time. i've been doing it for five decades and i can do it now. >> tim o'brien, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you lawrence. >> coming up, senator lindsey graham was one of the 17 republicans who voted to proceed to the bipartisan infrastructure bill but today, he tested positive for covid-19 and will be isolating for ten days when he will miss voting on that bipartisan infrastructure bill which appears to be moving steadily along the track in the united states senate tonight. that's next. . us next. us don't pay for water. pay for clean. it's got to be tide. feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin. and 24-hour relief from symptoms caused by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens.
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get more official than this -- the united states senate began the week today by formally bringing in an infrastructure bill to the senate floor. this is the infrastructure week that donald trump talked about but could never come close to achieving. no committee of the house or senate ever even considered a trump infrastructure bill because donald trump never delivered a trump infrastructure bill to the house or senate. it is hard to exaggerate the importance of what is happening on the senate floor tonight we are seeing senators act as legislators for the first time in many years. in the 21st century, the leadership of both parties in the senate, has usurped the legislative process and made it
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their own. committees stopped functioning, committee chair stopped writing legislation and virtually all legislation originated from the senate majority leader's office. miracle number one tonight, is that the senate has returned to legislating on the floor of the senate instead of the majority leader's office. the other miracle of the night, isn't the senators mark -- working on the senate in a major way. i we had a reason to think the senate will never work this way again, when this might be the last time it works this way. the very next bill, majority sanction leader chuck schumer said they will work on and it will be completely partisan, more democrat, and it will be bigger than any one of the senators working on tonight. chuck schumer brought a bipartisan infrastructure bill to the senate floor today after a long weekend of work by senate staff that put the bill
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in legislative language, which, in the end, made it 2000 -- a 2700 page document. that's often falsely attributed to the senate to make that build to negotiate the legislation but in truth, the delegate the bill to on partisan professionals that the legislative council's office who know how to turn hopes and dreams into the language of laws. in an unusual act of giving credit where credit is due, this weekend, some of the bipartisan senators involved in the go shading the bill, in effect, acknowledge that they delegated writing the bill to their staffs when the senators admitted they attended a party saturday night on a boat docked in the potomac village river. lindsey graham was that that vote party and he tested
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positive for covid today. after experiencing flu like symptoms. there's two bipartisan amendments today to address the workforce needs of the tele-commissions industry and the amendment offered by democratic senator alex padilla and german. amending the indian health care improvement act to expand the funding authority for renovating contrasting, and expanding certain facilities. a republican amendment, was defeated. the washington post has new reporting on how the bipartisan bill came to be quote
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joining us now john how men. at must have been whose national analyst. he is executive editor of the recount where he hosts the hell and high-water podcast. also with us, steven dennis. for bloomberg news. john john heilemann, it's the old days in the senate once again, at least for this week. >> lawrence, i'm thinking about like, back in 1993 1994 when i
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lived down there and you lived on capitol hill, ran around on a motorcycle and we're on the powerful -- the most powerful staffer on the senate side. you and i both had doubts we would get here, but you know i might not think this is home. we know how complicated it is. all the worries about the senate, whether they can do what you just described vividly, that we haven't seen such a long time. not just the legislating but legislating the bipartisan. way which mcconnell concluded that the politics here are such that he is at least going to help chuck schumer in the normal way to get peak business to happen in the senate and get this bill through. you gotta get it over the house which is where the atmosphere is more toxic and crazy, but over the weekend things got more toxic and more crazy than things will. get there is a lot of complexity and trying to land both planes at the same time. aoc over the weekend made sure
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to say how hard it would be. is it something to watch the senate. i feel like a young man again. >> yeah, steven dennis, you are watching every moves -- move the senate makes. we are relying on you to get to everything we missed, which is a lot. so far, it's going very smoothly. the biggest bump in the road is that lindsey graham has covid and will be out for the next ten days. >> i mean, unless there's a big outbreak in the senate, this thing will pass. they had 67 votes to move to the bill, and that number could grow. when you actually read through this bill, all the 2700 pages, there is something for every state, everybody who drives on a road or drinks clean water, or goes into an airport. it is packed with goodies. it is packed with something the business community wants, the chamber of congress, wants the unions want.
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when you don't have a whole lot of pain in a bill like this, you can just kind of see the train heading down the track. the real question right now is not whether this thing will pass, it's how long the republicans are going to sort of force them to go through and debate. mike lee wants this thing to be debated for the next two months. of course, he will never vote for the bill. there is a funeral on friday for mike enzi, so that is sort of potentially the deadline where they might try to wrap up either the bill, or the debate on the bill on thursday. then maybe you could finish it up over the weekend, then immediately head to the budget resolution that all democratic effort that will tee up this
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fall a much bigger bill. they still don't have that written. they still don't have joe manchin on board. i talk to him about it today. they have a lot more work to do before they leave beyond this recess. you know what? all the senators are happy. senators haven't been happy the last four years. whether they were republicans or democrats, they have had to deal with pesky questions that when they get to work, what about this tweet? what about that tweet? this is sort of what joe biden kind of promised, that he would bring the parties together, and see if he could come up with a deal. it looks like he's getting a lot closer to that promise. it is a big package. it is the kind of package that trump could not get done he could have and then washington hasn't seen it in a long time. >> john, i'm so glad stephen use that word happy.
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it is so true that if you let legislators legislate, that will make the same -- sane ones happy. it leaves that a good doesn't at least on the republican side who will probably vote against it. that is what we are seeing joe manchin echoing stephen who says it could be 80 votes for, this could be 90. there is a really good political calculation here, and that is donald trump who has gone silent. maybe you will come back on this. maybe he sees a loss and recognize it when he sees it. he tried to stop the senate from even considering this bill. he tried to use all of his muscle and threatened all the republican senators about voting to proceed to this bill. 17 of them justified him and proceeded to this bill. he knows he lost that vote. does donald trump stay active and loud about this so that he
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could then publicly lose another infrastructure vote in the senate? >> well, i think, first of all, yes. i did legislator i would say steve knows more about the senate than i do certainly at this hour. i will say this, i think it's more than four years that the senators haven't been happen. it goes back eight, maybe even 12. i can't imagine in this century, in this millennium, when there has been a happy united states than. it's been a miserable place to work for a lot of people, especially younger members, people like michael bennett. years ago, a decade ago, we are talking about how horrible it was to work in the senate went to toxic environment. was it's amazing to see people. happy part of it is legislation, lawrence. part of it is another thing which is, this is what they used to talk about. i will not say this is -- i will say that bad news for everybody on the left and right in 50 states making sure somebody gets to take it home
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is the old model it's why used to say infrastructure was bipartisan because everybody likes bringing money home, right? and the -- aren't that painful. the trump question, is we have learned that trump has enormous power over the republican party when it comes to their pure politics. when he has never had much power over is over the operational elements of how policy gets made or not made. you could go back the -- to the attempt to repeal obamacare in the very first moments of the trump administration to see the first instances of that one trump lost when it came to actual on the ground policymaking when there was any legislating done. when trump tried to exert his, well he often didn't succeed. i think, lawrence, the fact that he's still out there trying as the next president, tells you that he's going to keep trying. he sees there is some political advantage to doing this, i think he will ride the house and charges but democrats. he wants to have a voice in all this. i think the fact that he lost the one vote, it would be a rational man to sit back and
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see a loss when he sees it. he's not irrational. man he will try to take more wax in this thing before it's over. >> steve, as you look at the republicans in the senate, how many of them will basically follow donald trump's orders on this vote and how many of them will be doing that because they are angling for the next republican presidential nomination? >> yeah, i mean, i think anybody running for president these days is running to the right. so, you know, i would expect someone like ted cruz or josh hawley to be embracing joe biden and the joe biden infrastructure package. they want to have something to run against him. i wouldn't expect anybody who's thinking about running for president and that could be five or ten republican senators, frankly, to vote for this. i think one thing to watch with trump is once this thing comes out of the senate, you will have mitch mcconnell and other
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republicans pounding the table to have her bring it up for a vote. that will be the big question is whether she can withstand that. she will have a lot of house democrats want this package to come up for a vote. it is trump just going to stand by and take nancy pelosi side or something? i think it will be a weird position over the house. ver the house. coming up, senator graham says he sure his symptoms will be much worse if he had not been vaccinated. that's next. not been vaccinated that's next.
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on saturday night, senator lindsey graham says, he started
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having flu-like symptoms. senator graham attended a gathering on a bow in the potomac river, which is the washington d.c. home of jet senator joe manchin. initial reports of the event called it a party, but senator manchin refers to call it a gathering. senator graham and senator manchin are fully vaccinated, senator manchin says everyone else at the gathering was fully vaccinated. >> all senators, bipartisan senators. we were outside okay, and we were all vaccinated. so you know, i talk to lindsay today, he's fine, he's all good. >> how long did you all go? how long was the? event a couple of hours? >> whatever it takes eta hamburger to. >> senator graham now takes his
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place in that rare group, fully vaccinated people, who then get infected with covid. today doctor anthony fauci said this. >> as of july 26, the cdc received 6587 reports, of breakthrough infections. that resulted in hospitalization or death. among 163, fully vaccinated million people. that is a percentage of zero, 0.01%, or less. >> joining us now is doctor celine gondolier, and epidemiologist and why school of medicine in bellevue hospital. doctor, i'd like to go back to what senator manchin said for a moment. as an illustration for people. saturday night he had people, over a dozen he thinks senators and maybe a few more people. let's call it 15 people. outdoors he says saturday night,
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all vaccinated. and, was there a risk? we now know that senator graham probably had covid, then he tested positive for covid on monday, it was saturday night when he was feeling sick saturday night. why is the threat level at an event like that, for vaccinated people? >> lawrence this is a low risk event, if in fact all of this was happening outdoors as we have been told, this was a group of all fully vaccinated people. and the risk of a breakthrough infection, an infection, not disease, breakthrough infection is only 0.01%. of those who have a breakthrough infection, your risk of disease, hospitalization and death is much much lower even still, so this is in fact a very low risk event for all of those who attended. i would just add that if you are at an outdoor event, where people are very closely counted together, a sports venue for
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example, or a lollapalooza as we see in the pictures this week, that would be a difference, story but from what we're hearing, this was a low risk event. >> let's listen to a cdc director said today about the delta variant. >> if you get sick with the delta variant, we estimate that you could infect about five other unvaccinated people. more than twice as many as the original strain. in all of this there is still good news. our vaccines are working to prevent severe illness, hospitalizations, and death. >> what does the delta variant, what should the delta variant due to our behavior. and let's talk about both categories, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, obviously? >> the delta variant is different. i think that's the key takeaway message. here it is more transmissible. if you have the delta variant, you can infect twice as many people. that is because the levels of
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virus that you carry in your nose in your throat, if you have the delta variant, are 1000 times higher than they would have been with early forms of the virus. imagine, you are just carrying with you that much more of the virus, you screw sneezing out that much more of the, virus it's going to be that much more contagious to people. and also it may result in more severe disease. we are seeing younger people, even children now, hospitalized and getting quite sick with this, and so this makes the delta variance a much more significant threat to anybody who is not vaccinated. >> we as a country have reached the level that president biden was hoping we would get to an july 4th, 70%, 70% of people 18 years and older have at least one dose of the vaccine at this point. and i want to go back to a statement lindsey graham made about this infection, that he has gotten as a fully vaccinated person. senator graham's 66 years old.
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any issued this statement saying, i am very glad i was vaccinated, because without vaccination, i am certain, i would not feel as well as i do now. my symptoms would be far worse. is that message getting through? >> i certainly hope it is. by vaccinating people, we are not going to prevent every single infection. vaccines are not perfect. but they are very good at preventing severe disease, hospitalization and death. a lot of people compare covid to the flu early on, to be very clear, covid is not the flu. but we can turn covid into something more akin to the, flew more like a regular winter cold, through vaccination. and that is the key. through vaccination. >> doctor, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure. >> coming up, what has happened to those giant corporations, that have stopped making political contributions to the
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sorry? limu, you're an animal! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ yale business professor jeffrey sonnenfeld says we are seeing quite, unprecedented civic engagement from america's corporations. he says we have never seen anything like the long list of major american companies, you are now refusing to make political contributions to the 147 republican members of congress who voted to overturn the presidential election, a long list of america's biggest corporations are also condemning laws proposed, and enacted by republican state legislatures to resist voting. professor son felled, studied what has happened to the companies that have taken a public stand in opposition to those republicans, who opposed
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democracy. professor's honor felled writes, the vast majority of corporations are sticking to their pledge, not to support those republican objectors and that stance is not hurting their market performance. in short, political wokeness works. joining us now is jeffrey sonnenfeld, senior associate dean for leadership studies at yale school of management he is a cnbc contributor and he is my longtime friend since his days as a student at harvard business school. so we will be dropping the professor title tonight. jeff, would i was really struck by, many things in your article about this. in your study about this. number one, the companies who said they would do this, are really doing this. their refusal to make the political contributions. a misstep by toyota, but then toyota quickly corrected itself. >> that's exactly right
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lawrence. there is some myth making out, they're much of it fed by the rights. attacking the ceos as woke wimp's. somehow suggesting it's empty pr, and sadly some on the left, they're also falling into that trap of suspecting these business leaders are cynical inches doing it for pr value. in fact 85% of them have held to their commitments, and some of those, who unfortunately made pledges and then it looks like they were back is just a flow of money across january 60, so that explains some of those 15%, and like you said some like toyota got caught and re-nagging, in turn back around when they were held accountable to it. so it's remarkable. it's remarkable that thousands have made their employers, and enabled millions of workers, first time in american history to have any time off to go to the polls. and to work as volunteers. to support at risk volunteer poll workers and things, it is a very important time, and seeing why ceos are seen as the
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most trusted sources of authority in american society right now. which is quite a move from where we were a decade ago. >> you're right, business leaders can have the courage of their convictions, and not suffer for it. and what i'm wondering about, you know these people, you know them personally they know you and first name basis. you are respected by all of them. is it real? or is it business positioning? that's going on here. is this the courage of their convictions and other executives convictions within the company, and workers within the company? or is it a kind of business positioning of sorts? >> there can be some lawrence that are unofficial, in showcasing. for most of its real. and there's some degree of self interest here. first you take a look at the financial performance of these firms, who signed these petitions and made these pledges, they are outperforming the s&p. the total shareholder return is very high. half of them have been the
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total shareholder return of the standard importers indexes and, things they've done very well financially. but the ceos for the most part, they are not racist, they are not isolationist, they are not nativist, they are not protectionists, they believe in social harmony. one angry community workers divided pointed fingers at each other, an angry shareholders in consumer boycotts, it's what they called this back in the 18 thirties, social capitalism. it's a as important as financial capital. it's in their self interest, when they see someone stay in your lane mind your business, this is their lane, this is part of the social context. part of the strategic context of business. >> and is seem to take a lot, to bring them into the space. it's not like they have been kind of, eagerly jumping into our politics. this was a crisis in democracy itself. that made them take the stands. >> yes, it is a crisis in
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democracy. and i wound up having a couple of emergency meetings, which i did not call this ceos called. november 5th, do you remember, the election was tuesday november 3rd, on thursday november 5th was in president trump, on the air with unprecedented claims of authority he didn't have, and assertions in many political -- called literally a coup d'états. some ceos that time slot that it was overblown rhetoric. you name it, from farmer to finance, manufacturing to retail, telecoms to transportation, they were texting me saying, pull us together. i say once used the trade. groups they said no they have complex agendas. i think what they meant to say was they all have reputations, and i have nothing to lose. so let's pull them together and they started meetings. we had four of these informal group. sometimes with as little as ten hours overnight. in across the political spectrum, most of them are republicans, and yet they came out very firmly in their
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stance. it's remarkable. >> we have to leave it, there were up against the clock. jeffrey sonnenfeld, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate. it >> thank you. lawrence >> will be right back. u. lawrence >> will be right back lawrence >> will be right back nothing rhymes with liberty mutual. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i booked our hotel on kayak. it's flexible if we need to cancel. cancel. i haven't left the house in a year. nothing will stop me from vacation. no canceling. flexible cancellation. kayak. search one and done.
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the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. >> good evening once again i'm chris jansen in for brian williams. day 195 of the biden administration. the delta variant is tightening its grip on the nations and hospital admissions. the u.s. is now recorded over and averaging 35 cases a day. late this afternoon, the cdc director revealed new data on the dangers of this hyper contagious delta strain. >> if you get stuck with the delta variant we estimate you could in fact five other