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you. count me in! me too! . good afternoon, everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. we begin with a very stark warning from the nation's top infectious disease expert. dr. anthony fauci told mcclatchy that the u.s. could reach 200,000 cases a day in the coming weeks, and the country could be in trouble come this fall unless more vaccinated people decide to get the shot. the warning comes as we learn the fda could get final approval to pfizer's vaccine as soon as next month which could help boost public confidence. we're going to take a closer look at how the pandemic will affect children as they return to school. meantime, new york governor andrew cuomo facing more legal and political fallout after a report detailing a series of allegations, including that he
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sexually harassed nearly a dozen women, which he denies doing. we'll talk to a new york state assemblyman about what comes next for the governor. protesters took to the streets of beirut to mark one year since that massive explosion ripped through the city killing more than 200 people and exacerbating the economic, political and health crisis facing lebanon. we're going to have a live report on the ground from beirut later this hour. also at this hour, president biden visiting a plummer's union training facility in maryland just outside of washington, d.c. the visit comes as the senate makes progress on the bipartisan infrastructure bill in hopes of finishing work on the legislation in the coming days. the democratic senator leading the debate says that he's pleased with how the debate is going so far. >> the debate is in good spirit and i think we're getting a good project, a large project for the infrastructure bill. we're actually making it better and doing it in a bipartisan
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way. >> so right now all 50 states are experiencing an increase in covid-19 cases over the past two weeks. it comes as hospitalizations across the country are on the rise and health officials are sounding the alarms that hospitals are running out of room. joining me now from two states particularly hard hit our nbc correspondents kerry sanders in hollywood, florida, and nbc news correspondent alison barber in fayetteville, arkansas. kerry, i'll begin with you. yesterday president biden criticized republican governors including florida governor ron desantis the way they have handled the pandemic. take a listen. >> worst of all, some state officials are passing laws or signing orders that forbid people from doing the right thing. i saw to these governors please help. if you're not going to help at least get out of the way. >> so what are you hearing from folks there in florida about the situation on the ground, how it's playing out and certainly
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in the political word, the president taking aim at florida's governor? >> it's a extremely divided electorate here in florida. there are those patients -- i mean, this real centers around the governor's ruling that he has the sole authority in the state to determine whether people, children, will wear masks when they go back to school next week, and the governor has said not only do i have the sole authority i'm not going to mandate mask-wearing. now the governor getting angry i believe today, certainly energized if not angry, at the president's remarks in panama city, responding directly to the president just a short time ago. listen. >> i just want to say something quickly, you know. joe biden has taken to himself to try to single out florida over covid. this is a guy who ran for president saying he was going, to quote, shut down the virus, and what has he done?
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he's imported more virus around the world by having a wide-open southern border. >> i am in hollywood, florida, as you said. as you can see behind me, they just wrapped up a news conference here at the memorial health system. they have 1,600 patients in the memorial health system right now. 537 of those are those with covid. that is 33% of all of their patients, so they are going to be stepping back on elective surgeries because they see this continued climb, but i think the number that underscores all of this is of those 537 patients that have covid, 97% of them were unvaccinated, and the real concern here is that, yes, there are breakthrough cases, folks who do get covid despite having a vaccine, but the hospitalization of a patient that actually has covid, those are the unvaccinated, and the health care system here is
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asking people to please consider your place in the health of our community and consider getting a vaccine if you have not. >> arkansas governor asa hutchinson says he regrets signing a balabaning local officials frimpmenting mask mandates. what's the latest on where things stand in arkansas? >> yeah. he signed that legislation just a few months ago, and now he is asking the legislature to amend that law that essentially prohibited any sort of mask mandates. the general assembly is actually meeting right now if i'm not mistaken, the superintendent just finished or is still in the process of address lawmakers there. the governor has asked them though to reconsider, at least look at amending this legislation so that it allows schools in particular to enact their own rules as it relates to mask mandates?
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as you said, the governor has said this is a decision that he made previously. he has now come to regret. he says when he initially said that they could do this and signed this into law, that it was a very different situation in this state, but now the numbers, they tell a very different story. arkansas on monday this week, they saw the highest increase of covid hospitalizations that they have seen since the pandemic began. hospitals here, they are at or near capacity and ambulances are being diverted. the governor has said now things need to be reassessed, particularly as it relates to masking in schools because you do have a population, children under the age of 12, who don't have the option of getting vaccinated and parents are not able to protect them other than masking, so now he seems to believe that schools need some leeway to change the rules and make those decisions. we'll see what the general assembly says though right now. they are still meeting. ayman? >> staying on the subject of
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masks for a moment. there's been an ongoing fight about mask mandates in florida between the governor and school districts across the state. bring us up to speed on how that's playing out. >> reporter: well, ayman, it certainly is a volatile issue. it is up where the governor has the sole authority because through executive order he's given himself that authority to say i will make the decision. 67 counties, 67 different school districts. three counties have decided to defy the governor's order. broward county where i am right now says they are going to require kids to wear masks. that begins school next week. same thing in duval county and kind of an interesting twist in duval county. they will have people who don't want to wear masks opt out and psychological studies show that generally when people opt out it's a much lower percentage who drop out rather than opting in which requires a little bit more, i guess, activity of the person saying okay, i'm going to do that, but bottom line is the governor has said if these
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counties do not abide by his no-mask mandate, then he is going to prevent the state education funds from coming to the communities where they say no mask mandate, so here in broward county, for instance, that's $7,000 per student in the year. we're talking more than $1 bill crop so there's a lot at stake here right now and a lot of questions of how long the counties will be able to hold up their mask mandates if they are going to see reduced funding at levels that are really quite tall. ayman? >> alyson, you know, it's not just the politics that is pushing back against some of those in arkansas. the governor faced an angry crowd yesterday while discussing the latest on the pandemic. let me play for you a part of what they had to say to him. >> what's in the vaccine? give me the answer, chief. if mr. doctor gives me a vial
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and says trust me. i'll give you a vishlgs you trust me. >> and if doctors were allowed to tell the truth and treat their patients with these therapeutics, we would not have hospitals full of sick people and dying. don't smirk at me, governor. what works, governor, what will save lives, governor, and it's not the vaccine? >> so, you know, i was saying it's not just the politicians as in the case of florida that are against the mask mandates. how big of a challenge are the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers in the state of arkansas presenting to moving forward there? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, vaccination rates in this state they are picking up right now, and they are moving in a positive direction, but they are still well below the national average. only about 40% of people who are eligible to get vaccinated in this state are fully vaccinated, and to try and reach people who have still not gotten the vaccine, the governor has been
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hosting these town hall-like events called covid conversations but the one from the other day, a lot of people do not seem to believe the facts that he is trying to tell them and explain to them. i mean, at one point in that town hall he talked about just saying that covid is real and that the hospital shortages in this state are real, amend he was met with a lot of boos, a lot of heckling. one person called him a liar. he was not the only person that was heckled at that town hall, ayman. there was a young woman just 20 years old who stood up because she wanted people to know that a few days before her brother had tried to get to a hospital, and it took him over 14 hours to get admitted because the hospitals were so full. she was hoping by sharing her story someone there who understand that their decisions are impacting people outside of their own group. you saw the reaction there. the there were a lot of people here who still do not believe that this is a serious problem despite a lot of efforts to convince them otherwise.
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ayman? >> thanks to the boast you for starting us off this hour. joining me now to continue the conversation, a disease specialist and epidemiologist at the new york school of medicine and also a member of then president-elect biden's transition team. dr. glyndwr, welcome back to the show. as things stand today as we look at the big picture of this pandemic. dr. fauci says that he fears that there is a variant worse than delta coming. how concerned are you about that? are we equipped to handle something like that? >> ayman, dr. fauci is referring to what's called the lamda variant which has emerged from peru, has taken over there. it does appear to be potentially even more infectious than the delta variant, potentially even more immune-evading, and as we've seen with the delta variant we're not coping very well with that at all, at least in places where vaccination
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rates are low. we are seeing hospitalizations and deaths skyrocket in states like missouri, arkansas, louisiana and florida because people are not vaccinated, and so we really are not well-protected against delta and from some of these emerging variants that may be even more dangerous. >> the "new york times" is reporting that the fda is aiming to give full approval to pfizer's two-dose vaccine by early next month. do you think that full approval will be a game-changer? will it make an actual impact among those that are vaccine hesitant? >> aim answer, i think the real impact here is going to be with respect to mandates, with respect to requirements. it's going to give employers additional legal cover to require their employees, their workers to get vaccinated. honestly, having participated in a number of focus groups one vaccinated people across the country and if you also look at the surveys by the kaiser family foundation and others, i'm very
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skeptical that this will actually change minds. i think when people say they want more data, want the full fda approval. honestly that's a way of saying i've already made up my mind, i do not want to be investigated so the real impact will be through mandates and requirements. >> this morning the head of the world health organization called for a moratorium on covid-19 booster shots until the end of september, in part to help other nations catch up in vaccination efforts to at least get them up to 10%. what do you make of that call? is it a smart decision or not right call right now? >> it is the right call right now, and this is not just about humanitarianism and -- and being charitable. it's also enlightened self-interest. for example, me, i've had two shots from kiser and among first vaccinated and i'm more than six months out from my second dose
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but i know i will be better protected if we vaccinate the unvaccinated in our community than if i get an additional dose, and it applies to the unvaccinated in the u.s. as well as those around the world. it is a layering of protection and it's also a way of protecting the emergence of some of these more dangerous variants. >> all right. dr. glyndwr, always a pleasure. thank you so much for your insights my pleasure. we're following breaking numpingts the fallout from the new york state attorney general's report on governor andrew cuomo. now three district attorneys are launching inquiries into whether there was anym criminal misconduct in their durs jims and we'll talk to assemblyman ron king who wants the governor
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prosecutors with concurrent jurisdiction to -- to believe that criminal activity had in fact taken place and we'll conduct our own indpect investigation. it will be done expeditiously. meantime a new maris poll finds 59% of american adults including 52% of democrats say cuomo should resign this. follows a host of prominent democrats calling for him to quit, including president biden and members of new york's congressional delegation as well as fellow governors. >> i'm appalled by the treatment that these women had to put up with. they -- they deserve to be heard and thank god they were heard, and -- and the governor has to resign. >> msnbc anchor joins us live from al any. the governor refuses to leave office. walk us through what is happening next. >> an incredible damning report. 165 makes and 11 women listed in
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the pages and three new to us as of yesterday. 179 witnesses corroborating these reports and thousand of documents really including text messages as well, the assembly meeting in a closed door session yesterday to discuss this damning report. you asked the question, the question that so many folks have out there which is what comes next. what comes next is behind me. assemblywoman walsh is part of the judiciary committee here, and they are actually meeting on monday i believe for next steps to discuss this report going forward. what's going to happen in your monday meeting in the judiciary committee meeting, assemblywoman? >> i think when we meet we'll have a follow-up report from the investigators that the judiciary committee has hired to do our investigation which is broader in scope than what the attorney general's investigation was. we're going to get an update. subpoenas have been previously been approved to be issued. we'll find out who has been talked with, who the testimony has been given, from and then just figure out our next steps. i'm really encouraged that the attorney general when she released the report to the
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public also said that the source documentation that went into that report will be shared with the assembly judiciary committee. that's going to be very helpful in our work. >> do you think the governor should resign? >> i called for it in march, and i renewed my call yesterday following receipt of the report which i'm still reading through. as you said, it's over 160 pages long. >> if he in fact does not resign, do you think he should be impeached? will you vote to impeach him in the assembly? >> i want us to get together as a group as a judiciary committee and figure out we're going have articles of impeachment which will then be put in front of the body 1650 assembly members. a majority vote will then send those impeachment articles that are approved and voted on over to the senate for a trial, so it could be potentially a relatively long process. i would really encourage the governor to reconsider and really think about resigning and stepping down now for the good of the state, but it's his call, and we're ready to move forward
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with the impeachment process. >> two more quick questions i have. you have a colleague who has said to meal, pat fahey who said to me, they need to narrow this investigation to expedite the process. do you agree with that? >> no, i don't. >> why? >> because i'm hearing from my constituents who say, fine, we get the report from the ag's office on the sexual harassment and that's -- that's horrendous. however, we're still talking about the nursing homes, the potential underreporting of the nursing home death data, the tie-in -- the potential tie-in with the governor's boxx book. there are other issues that need to be addressed, and i think that we need to take that broader more comprehensive approach while still respecting a timeline, need to be fair and reasonable and also need no get this done. >> up until this point and until the allegations were leveled against the governor, how did you feel about his governick? >> we're in different parties. i probably disagree -- i probably disagree with him on a lot of policy issues, but i did
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appreciate his leadership, particularly at the beginning of the pandemic. i thought his regular reporting to the people and to us legislators was -- was really the way took is and i appreciated that. >> assemblywoman, thank you. >> appreciate your time and spending it with us. >> of course. >> next steps, ayman. that's what you're asking about. goes to the judiciary committee. they have a meeting. they drop those articles of impeachment. if in fact they move forward those are voted on inside the assembly. after that if they vote yes that moves to the trial period that here's the difference than what we've experienced on a federal level obviously with the impeachment trials of former president donald trump over the last four years. the difference is that governor cuomo will have to step aside during that senate impeachment trial while it is ongoing fall decision is delivered there. >> thank you. joining us now to continue the congress new york
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assemblyman ron kim and former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. great to have you join us. assemblyman, you called for governor cuomo to be removed from office. you heard my colleague talking to mary beth walsh. do you think the legislature has the votes to remove governor cuomo from office? >> yes. we have the votes. we have the political will to remove him and impeach him as soon as possible. it's just a matter of how we're going to do it. like you had discussed, are we going to do it with the one offense, with the attorney general's report, or are you going to collect everything in one shot? i for one believe that we need to move expeditiously and move him and continue to hold him accountable for the other offenses. >> kristen, the attorney general's investigation was a civil probe. so far one county has opened a criminal investigation, but three others are requesting information from the ag's office. what would prosecutors need to
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prove in order to potentially bring criminal charges against the governor? >> the most important charge that i see and most significant based on a review of the report would be a violation of the penal code under new york law section 130.52 which is forcible touching, and there's two particular survivors that i would say kind of fall in that. one was the executive assistant, one who that was where cuomo had hugged her really tight and reached underneath her blouse, fondled her breast. on another occasion he forcibly grabbed her butt and then another young lady who he pinched her butt sometime in september of 2019. for the forcible touching to be actionable, the prosecutor needs to prove that there was some type of intimate touching of an intimate body part for the purpose of, you know, sexual gratification, but any time you touch a person's butt, particularly or their breast, the implication is that is for sexual gratification, but in
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these two instances if coupled by certain lewd comments that can also prove sexual gratification as well. >> one of the interesting things, kristen, in the report, and it's another name that came up was governor -- it in the report -- excuse me, his assistant melissa derosa who holds the title of secretary to the governor as well. she's often seen as being andrew cuomo's enforcer and "the washington post" noted that throughout the report derosa is portrayed as a constant force, taking part in the alleged effort to discredit women lining up officials to defend him and even confronting and chastising the governor about his behavior at one point. could she potentially be held liable in this case given her behavior? >> are i think that she could be potentially held liable civilly, absolutely. you see individuals in all types of these predatory cases where you have unwelcome or sexual
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misconduct because there's someone holding it together. the one thing that really stands out to me, ayman, you know, what she kind of brings to the table is more corroboration that this work mace was particularly hostile and unsafe for these women. you know, all of these 11 women, both former and current employees, particularly the one who made the report and the -- and instead of referring it to the governor's office, employee relations, they then kind of covered it up and did the smear campaign, so she could absolutely be held liable and really the organization as a whole should be held liable civilly. it's tough to kind of hold someone like that criminally liable because she's not the direct actor but, again, i think civil implications are coming. >> assemblyman kim, you've had firsthand experience dealing with cuomo. you went public with the details of a phone call that he made to you in which he yelled at you and threatened to destroy your career, something which we should note he denied, but not
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long after that we started seeing the flood of allegations about sexual harassment and bullying that led ultimately to this investigation and its findings. was this what you were hoping for or expecting when you went public with that call? will did you have any inclination that this was where it was going to lead? >> no, i had no expectations on the outcome of when i came out against the governor for his abusive behavior against me. but we all know in albany about his toxic, dominating behavior, and we all know that he needs to be checked and we need an executive that is collaborative and partnership building with the legislative body and the people of new york, and i look forward to the opportunity to transform albany to a better place where we can actually put the priorities of our people over one man's interests. >> all right. so many moving pieces. we'll see what happens next. new york assembly man ron kim and kristen, thank you as well
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for your time. it's been a year since this violent explosion in beirut's port killed 200 people, and while the city is still reeling from it, its economy is collapsing with power outages and food shortages. we're going to get a live report on the ground from lebanon next. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports." watching "ayman mohyen reports. was that your grandfather, paving the way for change. did they brave mother nature... and walk away stronger? did they face the unknown, with resolve...and triumph. ♪♪ there's strength in every family story. learn more about yours. at ancestry. tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? there's strength what if your clothes could stay fresh for weeks? now they can! this towel has already been used and it still smells fresh. pour a cap of downy unstopables into your washing machine before each load and enjoy fresher smelling laundry for up to 12-weeks.
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anniversary protests broke out in beirut today as the situation in lenton becomes unliveable with dire economic circumstances, severe supply shortages and nationwide frustration. yesterday human rights watch report called for an investigation into last year's blast saying officials had knowledge of the potential danger. this as israel and lebanon exchanged foyer across their borders amid rising regional tensions. joining me live from beirut is nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter. molly, what's the feeling on the ground in lebanon right now? >> reporter: a lot of anger, ayman, in one word, and that hrw report that came out last night that you just mentioned has a lot of evidence for why people are so angry. the hrw report not only says that senior lebanese officials knew about the danger of the ammonium nitrate storage at the beirut port but they made decisions and failed to keep
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residents safe. in the words of the report, they were criminally negligent. we were outside of parliament. it was just cleared about an hour ago by lebanon security forces which is why we're up on a balcony. protests are still going on. what happened, ayman, they were extremely well-attend, and they broke off in the evening to actually go protest in front. houses of senior lebanese officials and politicians, and that's who the people here blame for that beirut blast. now, protests are being led, of course, by activists but also by a lot of unlikely activists, a lot of families of victims and people like paul majar. we brought paul and tracy's story to you last year, met them almost a year ago today. take a listen to his message a year later, a year after losing his 3-year-old daughter alexandra. >> they need to understand that there is a price to pay for being a traitor and, you know, standing between us and justice. the price is that we want to as much as possible shupp them from
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their social life completely because that's the only tool that we have. it's so ridiculous for me to be telling you that in the 21st century but that's how it is. >> tracy wakes up every day and cries for half an hour, but right after it's -- you know, what's -- what's the fight today? what do we need to do? what's the next stance? what's the next strategy? >> reporter: now ayman, a year ago when our team here in beirut met paul and tracy just days after they lost their daughter, they said they were absolutely going to leave lebanon. there was nothing here for them anymore. their tune has changed. they are staying and are fighting and as depressed as so many people, as angry as so many people here, are a lot of people are finding hope and a lot of people want to unite and feel a lot like paul and they feel like they can make a difference. ayman? >> molly hunter live for us in beirut with a very important milestone commemorating that tragedy. thanks, mole. staying overseas for the moment and disturbing news out
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of east europe where a russian activist was found dead yesterday hanging from a tree in a park near his home in kiev. they are trying to determine whether the attackers is covering up the killing to make it look like a suicide. more now from moscow. matt, what's the late that's you heard? what more do we know about what might have happened here? >> thank you, ayman. well, we're still waiting for more information from the kiev authorities who, of course, are running an ongoing investigation but there's been a few interesting details that have come out. one of those was a statement from belarussian house, the ngo they worked for that they had received warnings, they were being followed and there might be some kind of bellarussian security services in ukraine n.connection with this there was another interesting interdict the ukranian president issued a
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statement saying he ordered the ukranian security services to draw up some measures to provide additional protection for bellarussians. the diaspora has come out saying no one is safe each if they flee the regime. >> matt, there's also the store to of a bellarussian olympic sprinter who refused to return to her home country scared that she would be punished for complaining about her coaches. i understand that she's now landed in poland. what's next for her? >> yeah. so she just got there. actually it was interesting. she was supposed to fly direct from tokyo there today and diverted and got on a different flight to vienna, first. rationale was security reasons after this journey became very public but she said she's surprised by everything that's happened because she doesn't consider herself political,
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doesn't think she made any political statements and she actually wants to return to belarus when show feels it's safe to do so, but she admitted that that could be five, ten years down the line. no one knows. her husband is actually in ukraine right now. he's received a polish visa and spoke with the bbc that had similar thoughts and sawed they would go back if they received athurnss they wouldn't be criminally prosecuted. >> matt bodnar covering both of those stories from rugs. thanks. the eviction moratorium has been extended but not for everyone. we'll go behind the scenes of how the white house was convinced to extend the rent relief after days of protests. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports." you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ it's a new dawn... ♪ if you've been taking copd sitting down, it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd
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transmission rates. here's what the white house had to say about it this afternoon. >> the rise of the delta variant, especially in communities where there are large numbers of unvaccinated individuals, where there are growing case numbers, is certainly something that has raised the alarm for us. it has raised the alarm for members of congress and this has certainly added to the need to take this additional step. >> it's a political win for the progressive wing of the democratic party after missouri's freshman congressman cori bush slept outside the captain toll for four negotiates to protest evictions. joining me now is capitol hill correspondent leanne caldwell and the founder of "punchbowl news." tell us what was getting the white house to shift on evictions and push forward on this action. >> hey, ayman, there was an impressive amount of grass roots pressure that was put on house democratic leadership which then in turn put pressure on the white house to evoke this change
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with representative bush on the steps of the capitol. members and other progressive members joined her, and there were even moderates who stood by in solidarity including representative dean phillips who stopped by to talk, and then what speaker pelosi was doing, she saw the frustration of these progressive members and how it was growing. she was able to use, of course, her power. she was on the phone with president biden three times over the weekend. she was constantly talking to white house advisers to say that this was a public health emergency and that it was in the realm of the white house authority in order to do something. well, that argument appears to have stuck, and that's when the white house decided to come down with their decision on extending this moratorium in a very targeted, limited way, but democratic leaders say that it will -- they insist that it will help 90 boston of renters out there, and they say it will keep
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a lot of people in their homes. ayman? >> anna, this morning, the "punch bowl" newsletter focussed in on this. to what extent was speaker pelosi feel the heat from the -- from the progressives within her caucus? >> definitely. i mean, this is really -- i think it's symbolic win for the progressives. they are much better at the outside game than they are on the inside game but clearly speaker pelosi knew it was untenable for democrats not to do something. she was able to find a work-around that the wows could agree to, and not only is it important for her in terms of her relationship with this white house, but it also solidifies that she will have the back of progressives when she needs to which is going to be big for her coming into this fall and the infrastructure debate and all these other debates that are going to test her leadership as well. >> leanne, just in the last hour, quinnipiac released a new poll that shows broad support for both the bipartisan infrastructure deal and the
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reconciliation package. talk about what's at stake for democrats here politically speaking and where things stand with these deals. >> democrats are confident that this is good for them politically. this matches some internal polling done for house democrats at nbc news obtained that shows especially the care provisions of their human infrastructure bill are extremely popular amon women of color, and so they are confident moving forward. republicans, however, ayman, think that raising taxes is going to be a political killer and so they are honing in on that message, and they think that their message is going to be a winning one in -- in november of 2022, what they like to say it's democratic overreach, democrats trying to do too much as far as where things stand. final passage of this bipartisan infrastructure bill could be as early as sunday or monday.
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senate democrats are going to move immediately to that $3.5 trillion human infrastructure bill. ayman? >> really quickly. i wanted to ask you about police reform. what's happening on that front. i know you spoke to senator tim scott of south carolina, one of those in the negotiating room. >> yes. this has been going on for months. we have been covering it as has msnbc. unfortunately, for those that are hoping for police reform to happen, senator scott was pretty bearish yesterday on that just saying that the talks continue, but he didn't see a resolution or a package coming forward by the deadline of the end of this month which he had set as really a milestone marker. so talks continue but we don't see a deal imminent or kind of on the horizon any time soap. >> anna palmer and leanne caldwell, thanks to both of you on that. children are getting ready to go back to school acts delta variant continues to rage across the country. coming up next, a pediatric infectious disease doctor joins us with how to keep them safe.
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according to the latest data from the cdc 58% of all americans 12 and older are fully vaccinated against covid-19. this as pharmaceutical companies continue testing their vaccines in younger children. but as schools reopen across the country, how do we protect those 12 and under who can't get vaccinated yet? this from dr. ashish jha caught
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our attention. in part he writes, kid infection numbers are driven largely by infection numbers in adults. in israel we saw that as adults got vaccinated infection numbers in kids plummeted. so how do i best protect my 9-year-old unvaccinated kid? by making sure all adults around him are vaxed. a professor of pediatrics, epidemiology and population health as well as the chief of the division of infectious diseases at stanford university school of medicine. it's great to have you with us, doctor. there's a lot of information and, sadly, disinformation out there. what do we know about how the delta variant affects children, how it's spreading among them, is it serious than the earlier forms of the virus when it comes to just children? >> well, i work with the american academy of pediatrics and we've been tracking this pandemic especially in children.
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and so far what we're seeing from the delta variant it's affecting children in much the same way as it has in the past but it's more transmissible. it doesn't appear to be more serious in children or more transmissible. >> so some would say that's probably good news. you are the investigator for the pfizer vaccine trial at stanford medicine. is there anything you can share about what you have learned so far and when can parents expect an approved vaccine for younger kids? >> well, so far we can't say much about the trials, but they are running extremely smoothly. the families are doing well. the children are doing well. we expect the studies it would be wrapped up as soon as possible, hopefully by early fall and we hope the fda will be able to review data as well some time in the early fall. >> i know there have been reports about a rise in rsv
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cases among young people. is this connected to covid? are we seeing any data to suggests this is as a result of covid, and how concerned should parents be about this? >> well, rsv is an annual infection we see in children all the time. those under 6 months of age it can be very severe in any year. we believe there may be a relationship between the fact everyone has been masking and distancing for so long because rsv just popped up this spring starting in april. it's starting to taper off in many parts of the u.s. so we do think in some ways being isolated has kept kids from getting sick. i expect it will drop off the next few weeks or so. the big question is whether we'll see another rsv and other viral surges in the wintertime when we generally see them because less people will be masked. >> we're a couple weeks out from
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the return of schools, maybe perhaps some parents are traveling as a result of summer vacation that is were planned. what is your advice to parents with kids 12 and under? how do they keep their kids safe at school or if they're traveling particularly in areas where there are no mask or vaccine mandates? what's the best way to protect your children at this moment? >> well, what i like to tell people is to dial the clock back a year. we, unfortunately, have higher cases now than a year ago even though we have vaccinated people because it's much more transmissible. it still respects mask bes and vaccinated immunity. i tell people to make sure that as many people 12 and older around younger children be vaccinated, if they're going to be among large groups, which they should try to avoid, they should be masked. young children, children older than 2 should be masked.
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they can be masked. they are so over it and want to get on with their lives so i think they would be okay with being masked, and that will really protect children. >> we have about 20 second. do you think mask and vaccine mandates are the right approach? >> i think it really depends on the local jurisdictions but i do think parents should be informed and make sure everyone is vaccinated who can be and masking should be used in schools at all times. >> thank you so much for your insights. greatly appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. see you back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts after this. nicolle wallace starts after this similar. until always discreet invented a pad that protects differently. with two rapiddry layers. for strong protection, that's always discreet. question your protection. try always discreet. this isn't just a walk up the stairs. when you have an irregular heartbeat, it's more.
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