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and because we all inhabit the same planet, these fires have already given the skies on the east coast a brown tint. as of weeks ago, the government continues to track the smoke as it hops the jet stream east and blots out the sun as it comes east. while western wildfires are not new, unhinged conflagration's like these seem to be our new normal. with that, that's our broadcast on this back to work monday night, with my thanks to chris jansen in l.a., for allowing me thoroughly disappear for a while. and with our thanks to you, for being with us, on behalf of all of our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, goodnight. ks of nbc news goodnight. thanks to your home for joining us this. our happy monday. i've been on vacation for the last couple weeks, first two week vacation i've ever had in my entire life. it was amazing. i want to say a big thank you
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to the team here who held down the fort, thank you to allie and nicole and ari, for filling and while i was away. doing such an amazing job. we have, i feel like the news gods gave me a welcome back care package. that is slightly overflowing. , in terms of the amount of news to process and talk about and get up to date with. you're gonna jump right in and our first guest tonight is a big deal. you're going to want to see this interview. if you're serving in the united states military right now, as part of your service requirements, you have to get your shots. a bunch of them. the pentagon has long required all u.s. military personnel to get shots, to protect against things like measles and mumps and smallpox and diphtheria. depending on where in the world you might be serving in the u.s. military, u.s. troops are required to receive up to 17 vaccinations, before they are
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allowed to deploy. before they're allowed to serve. as of today, the covid vaccine will be one more addition to the existing long list, of mandatory vaccines for people in the u.s. military. this is a big deal. it's a big deal for the military, it's a big deal for the country. it's a big deal for the fight against covid-19. president biden had previously asked defense accra terri lloyd austin to study whether active duty u.s. troops should be required to take the vaccine. today secretary austin announced that after studying the matter, he will ask president biden as commander in chief, two in fact, require those vaccinations. this affects a ton of. people the u.s. defense department is the largest single employer in the whole country. in addition, to the huge civilian workforce associated with the defense department, there's more than 1.4 million active duty men and women serving right now. this requirement affects so many americans. it affects enough people that are noticeably impact the overall vaccination rates in
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this country. especially if the requirement means that a whole lot of people associated with the defense department law get vaccinated, all at once. secretary austin said in his announcement today in terms of timing, that this new covid vaccine requirement for members of the military is going to go into effect quote, no later than mid september, or immediately upon full fda approval, whichever one comes first. that's a really interesting point. and i'd love to get some expert advice on that in just a second. right now, covid vaccines are obviously approved, we have three different vaccines approved in the country. they are all approved under something called, emergency use authorization. full formal approval for the vaccines however, is pretty widely expected to start happening within the next few weeks. going from emergency authorization to full approval, that full approval will not technically make any difference and how the vaccines work, or how safe they are, but that
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decision by the military and the way it was in terms of the timing by secretary austin, that's a reminder today, that full approval of the vaccines, full formal approval, not just emergency authorization, that might make a difference. and terms of various entities and agencies and big employers, feeling comfortable requiring vaccination. the way that schools in the military and so many other entities are required other vaccinations for so long. i wonder if it may also make a difference in terms of individual americans making a decision for themselves and their families, as to whether or not they are comfortable with the vaccine. as of last week, 70% of all adults in our country have received at least one big dose of the vaccine. that's a big accomplishment. it did come a month later than the july 4th deadline that president biden had hoped for. for that benchmark. because more americans have not been willing to get the shot, we are now seeing this
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disparate lived experience, based on where you might live. if you live in a part of the country were not that many people have been vaccinated, day-to-day life right now is starting to look like it's taking the time machine back to the battle days of last spring. in mississippi right now, in 20, 20 of the states top level hospitals, there are zero icu beds available. in 20 top hospitals in the state. texas, two hospitals just had to shut down their emergency. because of being overwhelmed by sick people with new covid cases. icus in northern texas are at 96% capacity. in austin, the state capital of texas, all local hospitals icus are expected to hit full capacity before the end of this month. that is a must. the governor of texas today, republican greg abbott, today he asked all hospitals in this state to delay nonessential procedures, as covid pages strain capacity.
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in brunswick georgia, icu beds today are completely full, at two different local hospitals. you see the headline there. as covid-19 cases sore. icu beds full. here's tampa florida, tampa bay paramedics way hours and a bays, while patients away open er beds. terrifying. charlotte north carolina, hospitals are full, doctors urge you not to go to the emergency room for your covid-19 test. this is for pain alabama, icu beds full, coronavirus is going to get worse. tonight, the u.s. passed 36 million reported cases of covid. that's from the start of the pandemic. but, i think this is helpful to get a look at how fast the rate of infection is increasing right now, we're at 36 million cases as of tonight. look at the last few million cases. we hit 33 million cases in mid may. to get the next million cases,
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it took 64 days. but then the next million cases after that, took just 16 days. that brought us to august 1st. and here we are, just eight days after that with another million cases. that escalation, that acceleration, tells you how badly things are getting worse right now. just eight days to required 1 million cases. that's eight times faster than what we were experiencing, just this spring. i would like some expert help and understanding this. in understanding the severity of what we're looking at, and how the vaccination of 70% of u.s. adults changes are understanding of the severity of these massive numbers of new cases mean. i want expert help to see what we do here. what comes next. joining us now, is doctor anthony fauci. the nation's top infectious disease expert. he is president biden's chief medical adviser, and the long term director of national
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institute of allergy and infectious diseases. and doctor fauci, it's an honor to have you with. us thanks so much for taking time to be with. us >> thank you, thank you very much rachel. thank you for having me. >> let me ask you about this decision, for defense department personnel, to now be required to be vaccinated. it seems to be that affects a large number of people, because the defense department is such a large employer. it seems to me also, that the hinging it on or citing the full authorization, the expected full authorization of the vaccine, as opposed to emergency use, may also signal a different kind of benchmark. are you expecting that that full authorization might mean more mandates? might mean more americans are comfortable getting vaccinated? >> i think two things are going to happen rachel, when you get the full authorization. and go beyond americans see use. there are going to be some people, who really do feel that there are concerns that we don't have enough information, and when you get to the full
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approval then they would change their mind. that's an interesting situation, because in reality, we have hundreds of millions of doses, that have been given in the united states and throughout the world. showing that it's highly effective and safe. but putting that aside, there will be a segment of unvaccinated, who changed their mind, but importantly i think the greater impact will be that you will have the local level the kind of feeling of empowerment. to do the things that they were a bit hesitant to do, because they didn't have the cover as it were, of a full approval. you're gonna see universities and colleges saying if you want to be here in person, you have to get vaccinated. you will likely see big corporations making the same decisions. either you get vaccinated or you don't work with us. i think an answer to your question rachel, we will see a lot more mandates for vaccination, as a requirement to do whatever particular function you're talking about.
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>> and mandates obviously, we have a long history of mandates relating to various vaccines for various forms of employment and travel in attendance at school and things like that his country. that will make a difference in terms of vaccine uptake. so, the full authorization itself might make some americans feel more comfortable as opposed to emergency use. i think also people are reconsidering, people who have not been vaccinated yet, are reconsidering because of the fear of the delta virus. we obviously know that it's more contagious, than the wild variants earlier variants of the virus. what else can you tell us in plain language? about what else is different about delta. is it more lethal? does it make people more sick? does it make people sick more quickly? is it more likely to give you long term covid symptoms, even if you recover from it? >> well we have the answer definitively to some of the questions, and a strong
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suggestion for the others, rachel. there is no doubt, that this virus is highly efficient in spreading from human to human. no doubt about that. because it has taken over to become dominant in a very short period of time. it has pushed out all other variants, that were hanging around. now we have about 93% of all the variants in the u.s. are delta. point number one. point number two is that although it is not as definitive, we are having a bunch of studies, some more convincing than others. for foreign countries who have had additional experience with delta, even before us. which indicate that it might cause an increase relatively speaking, in hospitalizations. strongly suggesting that it might be more severe. we are continuing data in collection in that regard. in that country.
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the issue of the virus is that for example, if you compare it to the alpha variants, which is the one that and to see this. and you looked in the nasal fare next, of a person who is infected with the alpha variant, and you looked at the amounts of virus in the nasal fare next, and you now look at the amount in the nasal furness of someone who's been infected with the delta variant. it's up to 1000 times more in one of the things that's really concerning is if you get vaccinated, and you get a breakthrough infection we know that that happens and it's expected because no vaccine is 100 percent. the good news is his people that have been vaccinated and get infected as a breakthrough as you call it, that infection with delta, that they have a level of virus in their nasal fare next that is equivalent to
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an under vaccinated person. we know now that a person who's vaccinated, if you get infected but it does occur even if you're without symptoms or if you have moderate or slate symptoms. you are capable of transmitting it to someone else. so the delta variant, even though the person that gets infected, who is vaccinated, is very unlikely to get a severe outcome. not impossible, but unlikely that person can still spread. it that is the reason for the modification of the masking guidelines, because you're dealing with two issues, preventing you from getting seriously ill, but also the possibility that you might spread it. it's a nasty virus rachel, that's the reason why we have to take it very seriously. one of the best ways, to do that, is to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can. that is the solution to this problem, and when you see that
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kind of surges that you put up on the screen, it's so obvious that we have 93 million people in this country who are eligible to be vaccinated, who are not vaccinated. we have absolutely got to turn those people around. and convince them, that they must get vaccinated. >> doctor fauci, i am no virologist, i don't pretend to understand this stuff as well as anybody in the medical field, but i feel like, watching this from the outside, i have been assuming that if we were able to get vaccination rates high enough, that would make us more safe from the evolution of yet more lethal, yet more scary variants. but, if vaccination does not reduce the amount of virus in our noses, if vaccination does not prevent us from being able to pass the infection to other people, is it still true, should we still understand that
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vaccinating a larger and larger portion of the population is our best path, toured heading off toward the prospect of the variants or other even scarier variants, that might emerge from this virus in the future? >> great question rachel. the question -- the answer to the question, absolutely. vaccination will prevent that. it will go a long way to preventing that? . remember when, you get vaccinated, even though you get a breakthrough infection, the overwhelming majority of the people don't even get infected. and those that do get infected, that is when you get the situation of passing it on to someone else. but if you allow the virus to freely circulate, in 93 million people, and give it the opportunity to find vulnerable targets, you give it the opportunity to mutate and form a neither variant. as i've said so many times,
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it's very clear in virality. a virus will not mutates, unless you allow it to. replicate whatever you can do, to prevent it from spreading. even though vaccines are not perfect, they are extraordinarily powerful tool in preventing the spread, within the community. the more you prevent the spread, the less likely that the virus will mutate. this brings up another important point. when people say, i'm healthy, the chances of my getting seriously ill is very very low. so why do i need to worry about getting vaccinated. and the reason, is it is not all about you. because if in fact you don't get vaccinated, and you do get infected, and your parts of the transmission chain, and you allow it to affect someone else, your propagating the ability of that virus to mutate, and if it does mutate to something that
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does evade the vaccine, then we really have a problem. we are fortunate, that the delta variance is relatively well controlled, certainly against severe disease, by the vaccines that we use. if you allow the virus to just completely free we go around and go from person to person. you are giving it an opportunity to evade ultimately, even the people who have been vaccinated. because if you get a mutants, that is very different from delta, maybe much difference, much more transmissible, much more serious. then that impacts, even the vaccinated people. so, people getting unvaccinated, potentially hurt themselves. their family and the community. but they also help, possibly to make things ultimately worse for the people who are already vaccinated. in terms of that simple idea,
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that more revocation equals more room for repetition, are you worried about kids going back to school in the fall? that is starting to happen. we are at over 100,000 cases again, 300 cases in january and we have a lot of nixon hated. masks is a whole other issue we can talk about it separately. how worried are you about seeing large numbers of new infections particularly among young people when they are back at school? >> i'm worried about it rachel if we don't do the right thing. let's talk about that. we know, because we had experience 18 months, keeping the children physically out of school, has real detrimental implication to them. you have to balance, how do we
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get them to school at the same time we protect them to get them safely in school. first thing you do, surround them with those people who can get vaccinated and are vaccinated. anyone going near a student school, if they're able to get vaccinated they should get vaccinated. it's hard for kids to get mask but get everyone to wear a masks in school. that's was the cdc recommends. it's controversial for kids to wear school and masks, but we don't want to keep them out of school for another term. we want to keep them safe. >> doctor anthony fauci, our
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anything happened while i was on vacation? two lousy weeks and went away, everything breaks out while i'm gone. i know that true on climate, world appears to be on fire. also uncovered with country backup over 100,000 cases a day and the icu being overrun in a few states where vaccination rates are low. it applies to our democracy. one of the stories the team covered while i was away was something that needs more attention moving forward. a story out of georgia where republicans in the state legislature are gearing up to use their big draconian new anti voting laws that are so controversial. they're trying to force out the top election official in fulton county georgia. that's the democratic stronghold in atlanta.
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in these anti-voting bills being passed by republican legislators across the country, they are not only making it harder to vote and everywhere they can, they are changing the administration of elections and the way votes are counted to give partisan republicans control of the process. republicans all over the country are giving themself that power to subvert election results and sees the counting process for themselves and now they are starting to try to use it in georgia which is a big deal. republicans are succeeding in washington in their efforts to try to stop any national protections for voting rights and fair elections even though democrats control of the white house in the senate and they are still succeeding the republicans and blocking any national protection for elections and voting rights.
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they are succeeding thanks to joe manchin siding with them and ensuring that nothing can be done. republicans are going full steam ahead in the states with this plot, while senator joe manchin's blocking anything from being done in washington to step up against it. it's incredible. i thought you could sort this out while i was away. i figured i would be gone to four weeks, this will definitely be sorted by the time i'm back. il nine back, turns out that was not sorted. over these past couple of weeks, we did solve one thing that's been driving me nuts. you've also started to learn the story of why attorney general merrick garland has the hardest and worst job in washington. i there are people dealing with
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so much, and everyone in the administration are dealing with so many crisis and policing reforms, and oil pipelines, and authoritarian nightmare is breaking out of belarus and hong kong, and everyone in the administration has hard job. the world is obviously a mess in lots of ways. there's only one member of the biden administration who heads to work every day with the heavy work on his shoulders of needing to do the work of the agency he runs. he's the only one who has to contend with the fact that as he goes to his office, it's a crime scene. only merrick garland, the attorney general, has to contend with the fact that in the post trump era, like every day, they bring some new revelation about how former officials of the justice department did it how they were
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complicit. they went along and did their part. it's one thing to break the law that own set of challenges it's another thing to have created a generation of bent law enforcement officials. what does merrick garland do with this continually crazy evidence of justice department officials having to go along with the schemes? glad they're out here let's make sure we behaved differently now. you have to come clean about what happened and tell the truth find the guilty parties and name them and let them explain themselves. there has to be accountability or this stuff just happens again. some of the worst of it is being revealed over the past
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couple of weeks while was learning to catch fish from the shore. -- they are in fact allowed to testify to congress congress's ongoing investigations into how trump tried to overturn the election results and stay in power. the justice department okayed former trump officials testifying to the congressional investigations. and then the justice department handed over to those in aggression -- judiciary in the senate handed over a bunch of documents from the justice department from the time period. those documents include notes from the trump deputy attorney general, richard donahue, a call and complaining in that call that there must of been fraud everywhere in the election and that the justice department needs to do more to
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promote and legitimate his claims of fraud. the notes say president trump told the deputy attorney general just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congress. >> that's london as a bombshell and got a ton of attention over the past couple of weeks since the notes were released to the public. the other part of the notes while i read them, it's a single line on page four. this is quoting trump, most these notes are quoting trump. according to the notes, trump says two senior justice department officials the deputy attorney general isis quote, georgia legislature is on our side. georgia legislature is on ou side
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the reason it is so bad, that single line is such a doozy. because we now know what happened the very next day. that call, where trump says say the election is corrupt in the blessed to me, and georgia legislature is on our side, that call was december 27. the very next day, there was a letter, abc news was first published this letter. it stated the day after that call. after that call with trump saying just city election was corrupt and leave the rest, me no one this has georgia legislators on her side, the very next day. and very trumpy senior figure at the justice department, the man who ran the civil division of the justice department. a man named jeff clark. drafted this letter. that was to be sent to the governor of georgia, the head of the state assembly there in the head of the state senate. dear governor and mister speaker quote, the department of justice is investigating various irregularities of the
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2020 election. the department will update you as we were able and investigatory progress. but at this time we have identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election, in multiple states. including the state of georgia. the next paragraph of the letter, he's then linking to the rudy giuliani fake hearing in georgia in december, that was so bonkers, it ultimately contributed to giuliani having his lace suspended in multiple jurisdictions. but that's what jeff clark sites as the evidence for this terrible revelations in georgia. jeff clark's letter continues quote, in light of these developments, the department, meaning the u.s. department of justice, recommends that the georgia general is simply should convene in a special session to take additional testimony, receive new evidence and deliberate on this matter. the purpose of the special session the department recommends, would be for the general assembly to evaluate
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the ear grail at un a.i.d.s. in 2020 election. determine whether those violations show which candidate for president won the most legal votes, in the november 3rd election. and number three, to determine whether the election failed to make a proper and valid choice between the candidates, such that the general assembly could take whatever action is necessary to ensure that one of the slates of electors cast by the state, would be accepted by congress on january six. again, this is a letter, to georgia, dissipated december 20th. this is jeff clark, head of the justice department, writing this letter, telling the state legislature in georgia, that they should consider the election corrupt, because the justice department has looked into it and found all sorts of corruption. and therefore, the state legislature to take matters into their own hands, to replace the states biden electors with trump electors, and do it before january six. when the electoral college votes would be counted. in the letter, jeff clark even
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spells out that although it looks on the surface, like only the governor of georgia could call the legislature back into in a special session like this, he says it's the opinion of the u.s. department of justice that the legislature can call itself back into session. even without the governor doing it. they can do that on their own. and remember the no, remember that line, on page four, from what happened the previous day. trump assuring the attorney general that the georgia legislature is on our side. so the problem here, the problem that emerges. how dare this happened on my vacation. the problem that emerges. is that this was not some cockamamie famine see, like the pillow company die says, the whole supreme court will rule nine to nothing that trump is the lord emperor. this is not like the qanon in arizona saying we found bamboo shoots in the bathroom trash.
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therefore biden magically is not the president anymore. this is not giuliani being like there's 8000 dead people who voted, i mean 16,000 dead people. i mean 1 million dead people who voted. and therefore biden is not president. this is not some of that nonsense like we have seen in the months since the election, from the president supporters, people working for him. this is an actual plan. , the letter has places for three signatures at the bottom. the attorney general, deputy attorney general and the guy who rode, jeff clark, head of the civil division at the time. had rosen in donahue agreed and signed incentive, think about what that would've meant. there are of course would've been a national rumor that the u.s. justice department declared the election to be corrected, potentially fatally so. the georgia republican legislator, if trump was right, if trump was right that they were on board with this, they're on our side. if he was right, they would
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have tried to call themselves into special session, to try to recall the states biden electors, from the electoral college. instead consider will the others slate, the trump sleigh shun had been instead. jeff clark sent over this draft letter, dated december 28th. he's also sent an email accompanying the letter to the attorney general in the deputy attorney general. in that email he spelled out exactly that the plan was to do this not just in georgia but in multiple states. it says quote, the concept is to send it to the governor, speaker and president pro tem up. he says tampa, he of each relevant state. to indicate that in light of emergency, sworn evidence of election irregularities, presented to courts and legislative committees. the legislatures there of, should each assemble and make a decision about electoral points, in light of their deliberations.
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so they're going to send this thing to georgia, saying the justice department has found serious regularity. as you should all convene yourself with the special session. look at your slate of electors you note i mean, they're going to send this thing to georgia. they believe republicans in the georgia legislature, are on our side, and will act on it. we'll actually do it, though replace the election results with their own choice of trump electors. and they plan to do the same thing in multiple other states, where again they think republican legislatures will act. and of course they would be much more likely to do that, if georgia went ahead first. especially if they had this back saw from the u.s. justice department, talking about all this fraud in the election, and that could be used to justify their actions. it would be georgia first but then pennsylvania michigan arizona wisconsin nevada, everywhere they believe republicans in control of the state legislature would go for it. if georgia went first and did, it would republican state legislatures in those other states do it too, if they had
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backup? from the u.s. justice department. if they had this explicit pretext. this explicit request from the u.s. justice department, that they should do it. do you think they would not? i mean this was not a fantasy, this was an actual plan, an actual thing that they tried. in for one, it solves an actual mystery. a thing that has been bugging me since january. just before the attack on the capitol obliterated all other news on january six, we learned that the top federal prosecutor in georgia, effectively the doj official in georgia, had suddenly resigned his position. so the u.s. attorney in georgia, we covered it intentionally at the time, why is he resigning, particularly when he been calling on electoral officials person pressuring them to declare the election of fraud, why did the u.s. attorney in georgia to resign in the middle of that kind of pressure.
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from the president. as the new york times reported, well i was trying to teach myself new fishing nuts, that u.s. attorney in georgia, he was reportedly told, about this plot, from trump and just clark at the justice department, that they were trying to, launch starting in georgia. as the top justice department official in georgia, u.s. attorney bjp attack, a trump appointee, would presumably had to have go along with that, or get out of the way, the plot underway, that trump was working on, with his senior justice department official, who then he tried to install as attorney general, why he was working on, was to have the justice department declared george's elections to be, corrupt and -- declare trump the winner. to pick a trump --
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the u.s. attorney in georgia, would have had to back that up as a justice department official, or he would've had to quit and get out of the way. well, we now know, after he got a call from the deputy attorney general, late on the night of january 3rd, that he quit. early in the morning of january 4th. and we now know, that the deputy attorney general, in the attorney general jeff rosen, they did not sign their names, on the bottom of that letter, to georgia. in the space that had been left for them to sign. and it looks like, that deputy attorney general, warned the u.s. attorney in georgia about this plot. this actually rational conceivable plot, to overturn the election. using fake fraud claims in georgia, backed up by the u.s. justice department, and backed up by republicans in the legislature of those states who would be willing to go along with it. , in now here we are. the u.s. attorney who resigned,
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is due to testify. we think this week before the judiciary committee. as part of their investigation into what happened inside the justice department, to help trump try to overthrow the election results and seized power. in the last few days, both donahue and the deputy attorney general, the and the attorney general, have raced into that same set of judiciary committee, to give their testimony as well, before trump can get it together to try to stop them from testifying by asserting some executive privilege claim. donahue raced in testified on friday. rosa testified on saturday for nearly seven hours. both of those testimonies were behind closed doors. senator richard blumenthal was one of the handful of senators who was there for all of rosen's testimony. he came out of that testimony and called it graphic and dramatic and chilling. he also said quote, as a former u.s. attorney and state attorney general for 20, years there is a real potential for criminal charges here. they should be seriously
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considered. i go away for two weeks. and all heck breaks loose. next time i take a vacation, i insist that no attempted coup to overthrow the u.s. government be held until the time away. just wait till i'm back. the rich donahue and jeffrey rosen testimony happen in a rush on friday and saturday. we are waiting the transcript of that testimony, that we believe will ultimately released to the public. the u.s. attorney p.j. packers mysteriously resignation has finally been partially explain. his testimony is due in the next few days. fascinated to know about that too. but the story is, is finally spilling out. senator richard blumenthal joins us next. blumenthal joins us next. joins us next.
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he conveyed what it was like to live through it in realtime. anybody standing up to the president in the oval office, the wake of that office and the importance of that historic moment, they really had very important role in history and i must say, the seriousness of it was conveyed very importantly during the interview. >> obviously this is important for history. in terms of accountability, both the justice department and for potentially the former president, there is the question of what happens to this information. we expect that presumably -- will release the transcripts. there might be some report at some point. i was struck through the testimony that you said you see the prospect for criminal charges here. does that mean you are expecting your committee to make a credible --
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criminal referral? >> we have to go forward with our investigation and of course they will decide what witnesses have to be proof sued. they will testify on wednesday but there are great many others who had positions of public trust, and donald trump uses acolytes in the white house or in the congress as well as the justice department where he put jeffrey clark, with threats to replace jeff rosen. i think the facts in this, and reported publicly, warned fair consideration for the department of justice. i think there are very important evidence that have to be considered in investigation
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