tv The 11th Hour With Brian Williams MSNBC August 11, 2021 11:00pm-12:00am PDT
good evening once again, day 204 of the biden administration, millions of americans may soon be eligible for a third shot to booze their immunity, nbc news reporting the fda is expected a greenlight booster shot for immunocompromised people at first, as soon as the next 48 hour, the cdc took a step to endorse vaccines for pregnant women citing new data finding no increase risk of miscarriage. this comes amid more vaccine mandates. employees of amtrak for one where the latest to learn that they have to get the shot or submit to weekly testing on the job. same goes for all staff working and california schools, governor gavin newsom is the first state leader to push such a requirement into place. >> we think this is the right thing to do and we think this is a sustainable way to keeping
our schools open, and to address the number one anxiety that parents like myself have, i have four young children, and that is knowing that the schools are doing everything in their power to keep our kids safe. >> on the political front here at home we are getting get another account of the links to which the former president was willing to go in order to hold on to power. katie benner of the new york times will join us in just a moment was first on the board tonight with reporting about the testimony of a former u.s. attorney, in atlanta, he testified before the senate judiciary committee. the times reports, b. j. pak told lawmakers quote, it is abrupt resignation in january had been prompted by justice department officials warning the president intended to fire him for refusing to say that widespread voter fraud had been found in georgia. and the washington post now reporting that ex trump attorney rudy giuliani who till
trump's election fraud claims to court and failed told federal agents back in 2018, it was okay to throw a fake in the course of a campaign. he says that during that same interview, giuliani then law partner added that during a campaign quote, you're under no obligation to tell the truth. meanwhile, a trump appointed federal judge has rejected efforts by the three top promoters of the former presidents election fraud lies to toss out defamation suits they are facing for allegedly false statements they made about the election technology from dominion. it comes as the department of homeland security is warning police departments around the country about possible political violence fueled by the same false election fraud claims. as all this unfolds, house democrats won a partial victory in their efforts to get some of trump's financial documents. a judge said they can indeed
see documents covering seven seeing, 2018 but turned down the request for information dating back to 2011, before trump was president. as for the current president, his agenda moved closer to reality this morning when the senate approved a framework for that three and a half trillion dollar plan to expand the social safety net. >> on this vote, the yays are 50, the nays are 49, and the concurrent resolution as amended is agreed to. [applause] >> well you just saw there was a party line vote of all democrats, no republicans, and it came just before 4 am in the exhausted chamber. this afternoon the president took something of a victory lap. >> in the past 24 hours, we've seen the senate advanced two key pieces of my economic
agenda. historic investments are on the way as well, this isn't accidental. it will make a huge difference for families. they are going to be fully paid for. this isn't going to be anything like my predecessor, whose unpaid tax cuts and other spending added a trillion dollars in his four years to the national debt, a trillion dollars. >> two democrats in the senate and to use plain english they are the usual suspects, joe manchin, kirsten cinema, have started expressing concerns about the plans price tag. some of their colleagues in the house are also worried about the cost while others, we should point out, don't think it go far enough. and with that let's bring in our lead off guest on this wednesday night, peter baker, veteran journalist and author who is chief white house correspondent for the new york times, the aforementioned katie benner, justice department reporter, also with the times, she broke tonight's news about
the former presidents attempts to subvert the election results. also back with us tonight michael osterholm, the director of the center for infectious disease, research and policy, university of minnesota. he was also a covid adviser to the biden transition team back then. michael, indeed, because of the news tonight, i would like to begin with you. during the simpler days of our single strain, uncontrolled pandemic, we made it a habit on this broadcast of asking you what inning we were in in the fight. those were the days before vaccines. i'm tempted to ask tonight, have they added on innings in the game or do we find ourselves, perhaps, in game one of a doubleheader? >> well, i guess i would take it a slightly different direction, brian, i gave up on innings and i am now in quarters, which minute of the quarter it is. we really had game changers when the variants arrived.
they have fundamentally changed the game that were playing. from my perspective, right now, it's all about the variant. it's about what delta is doing, would it will continue to do and what we can do about it. >> i know of your concerns to get the rest of the world vaccinated, and i think all good hearted americans agree with you, but, are all american is headed for a third shot sooner rather than later? not just the immunocompromised? >> one of the things we have to remember here, as we talk about these vaccines, because i hear many people say oh my, we didn't know that about the vaccines. we knew from the very beginning, we live in a world called corrected science, scientists make discoveries, we change what we do based on the discoveries, we have more discoveries, we make more changes. in this case what you're hearing about tonight from the fda is not really a booster shot, although it's been characterized as that, remember for many trials with vaccines,
we have 3 to 4 doses of the vaccine to be given before we consider them fully vaccinated. we now know with the immunocompromised people that it is going to take three doses to get them to a point that we want them to be at. let them as we move forward, you're gonna find that over the course of the next several weeks, you're gonna hear a lot more about weaning i'm unity. people who are beyond six months after their vaccination end up looking like they may need another booster shot, and that has to be balanced against the fact that right now among the 6.4 billion people living in low and middle income countries less than 2% have had access to vaccines. if we want to approach this from a humanitarian standpoint we need to do a lot more. even more importantly we need to approach it from a strategic standpoint, and what i mean by that is that this is one of the new variants that is going to come spinning out of, all these people getting infected, so i think we're gonna have to balance somehow how do we look
at three doses to a person and a high income country like the united states, and no doses to the vast majority of the world. >> katie benner, before i get to the store you broke tonight, a little background join us in watching this reminder of what trump was saying about georgia, among other states, before the u.s. attorney there resigned. >> do you remember georgia when they said, oh, we had a big flood, we had a pipeline break, there was no pipeline, that was the people where they took all of those ballots, all of those biden ballots under the table with the black dress and they took them and started shoving them into machines. in georgia the secretary of state began illegally processing ballots weeks before election day, and also destroyed the signature verification systems. these actions alone were more than a loan to rig the election results for democrats. so that people voted and i
think the number is close to 5000 people. >> so, katie, join me in labeling all of that garbage and to your reporting tonight, remind us how georgia fits in the big lie that of course culminated with an attempt to overturn the results of the election. >> trump was obsessed with georgia as we hear from those clips, he was convinced that there was fraud in georgia. one of the interesting things is that no one could change his mind, not his own justice public official, not officials in georgia who had also -- state officials what if investigated those claims. we heard telephone calls at the secretary of state that they had looked into those claims, not found anything. one of the things that b. j. pak testified to today before the senate judiciary committee was that he too had looked into these claims and had not found any evidence to support them yet he also told them that this enraged president trump so much
that he was warned before his departure that he was going to have to either quit or be fired, but it was certain that he would have to go because trump was so encouraged by this. >> peter baker, as a journalist, do you have a full sense, yet, of the lengths the president went shoe to stay as president? >> no, i think kate's reporting is the tip of the iceberg, we have seen repeatedly over the last six month, a lot of katy's reports in that time have revealed again and again just how far both the president and his team were willing to go to overturn a democratic election few false claims, through farfetched theories, threw pressure on people who are in the federal government, people who weren't state government people who are in local positions, people beyond his reach. it didn't matter, president trump was gonna try to convince
everyone in pressure everyone into backing his claims, even knowing that they weren't true. his own people told him that it wasn't true, as katie said, the attorney general barr told him that this is nonsense, he use the best term to tell him that there was nothing there. the u.s. attorney that katie wrote about tonight, which is one of many, in the justice department who basically said there is nothing there. he didn't want to hear it, he just wanted every thing that everyone would tell him that would justify the idea that he could stay in office beyond his democratically constitutionally set term. >> michael, back to you and the issue at hand, i'm gonna play for you part of a school board meeting in tennessee that just dissolved over the subject of mask wearing. >> will not comply. will not comply. no more masks.
you are child abusers. everybody is taking notes, buddy, keep that little smirk. >> we know who you are, we know who you are. you can leave freely, but we will find you and we know who you are. >> you will never be let out in public again. >> michael, you and i are close in age and we have the vaccine scars to prove it, i don't recall through the measles, mumps, rubella, polio vaccines are parents being guided by either their political party or the votes and wishes of politicians, how scary is that atmosphere to you as someone in
public health, in that fight every day. >> well, first of all, it causes anger, it causes sadness. and it surely causes sadness about how can we move forward with many of these activities that we need to take on to control this disease. you know, i'm the grandfather of five wonderful children, all of them unfortunately are under the age of 12, so they can't be vaccinated, and i look at how we can protect them in our schools because we want them to go to schools. that's not easy, it's complicated. what kind of mask do you wear, what kind of ventilation to use, when it boils down to what we saw, you don't have any discussions about those things, but you have heard discussions about selfish people who are more concerned about personal views for themselves than they are about the safety of their kids. i don't know how else to describe it than that, but at some point when will we wake up? how many kids are gonna have to get sick, how many kids will
die before people realize that all this rhetoric is gonna do nothing to protect the lives of these children. >> assuming our viewers can ride with us as we ping-pong between subjects, katie benner, back to you and your beat, the january six investigation has already for its limited time, i think you tigray, had a high yield, anyway you can preview any reason you have to know what is coming in the investigation? >> sure, so to your point about 570 people have now been charged and investigators are moving quickly to move these cases through the courts, as you can imagine between covid and the backlog that created in washington in this enormous number of cases, time is of the essence to forgot how to deal with it. the justice department will move to cut plea deals with defendants, try to achieve
guilty pleas and then to also really focus on the cases that are not breaking and entering, they're not in places where they shouldn't have been. but that speaks to active conspiracies to come to washington to try to stop the certification of the election, there's gonna be a lot of focus there and it will take time to get those through the courts. but that is the big challenge facing the justice department right now on january six. >> peter baker, final word goes to you, i don't know much for three and a half trillion dollars seems like a lot of money, talk about how the white house is feeling about the coming fight, not only friendly fire, blue on blue which they have to face and try to put down, but what they are looking out to try to advance with anything that can label as bipartisan? >> i don't have any illusions that they're gonna get anything that looks bipartisan on the second spending package.
they're happy they got to the senate for the bill that was passed with 19 republican votes, they have no illusion it's going to happen on this second bill, which is what they're calling human infrastructure mean things like universal pre-k, two years of community college expanded, medicare, climate change they're gonna have to do this entirely on their own votes. the democrats have a 50/50 senate with the vice president breaking the tie, and a three vote margin in the house, there is no room for error. we heard already today, even after the senate voted to advance beginning in effect of this blueprint, two senators, expressed their doubts about it. the president is really focused now, having spent a lot of time on the bipartisan approach is not focused on the partisan approach how he gets his own team behind, it how does he merit the progressives that want more with the moderates
we're concerned about going too far. >> so thanks to those watching tonight and two are starting three four bouncing along with us between topics to peter baker, katie benner, michael osterholm, our thanks for starting off our conversation on this wednesday night. coming up after our first break, a record no one wants, why florida has more covid patients in the hospital than even new york back in the battle days, the worst days of the pandemic early on. i'll talk to a top position fighting her way through it, and later, what will republicans do with those pesky texas democrats who left town in order to stop oppressive voting restrictions from becoming law? if you guessed a western warrants, why you would be correct, all of this as the 11th hour is just getting underway on this wednesday night. night.
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the country in new covid infections averaging roughly 20,000 new cases every day. data from the federal department of health and human services reveals, florida's hospitalizations have broken daily records for 11 days in a row now. first responders in one florida county pleading with the people there to think twice before they call 9-1-1, because they are struggling to contain the surge. again, just like the bad old days of the pandemic. the miami herald reports quote, this new wave is increasingly
affecting younger populations in terms of the number of children hospitalized with covid-19 florida has ranked among the two worst states in the nation, and hospitals have been sounding alarms, despite the urgency to protect children with things like schools, mask mandates the governor remains opposed. >> we believe this is a decision for the parent to make. what we found fortunately is there are higher infection rates when you're in the community versus when you're in the classroom, particularly for the younger kids, these kindergarteners, they are not people that are really transmitting this in significant levels. >> here to help us make sense of all of this doctor aileen marty, she's a professor of infectious diseases at florida international university in miami, she's a veteran of global medicine, with the world health organization and is not part of a task force advising
public schools, in miami on the pandemic, and doctor, let's start with the situation report from you about how bad things are in your area, please. >> things are very bad hospitals are between 100 and 60% capacity, and i'm talking about the major medical centers that we have like jackson and baptist and so far, our urgent cares are backed up, people are waiting ridiculously long hours to get attention, because each covid person requires a lot of care, it requires a lot of resources and that takes away resources from every other kind of medical care that we need to give to members of our community, it's very dramatically stressing our system, especially our health care workers are nurses, our physicians, our technicians, everyone is under a tremendous
amount of stress and were running down on some resources as well. >> doctor, i try to avoid dragging you into politics, but in this case tonight, i find all but inevitable and i want to ask you what it is like to be in your line of work, in a state where the governor's anti mask, especially including where it applies to children? >> that is the million dollar question, because from my perspective i am only looking at what is the risk benefit ratio of each public health measure that we do or don't use, and if you look at the risks, which are trivial, from the use of a mask compared to the benefits of what you are preventing, there is no question that is going to reduce transmission. we know masks work very well in
clinical settings, we have many studies and we've known that for decades, you don't want your dentist not wearing a mask when he's in your mouth, these things are fundamental, and we know they're true, and there are plenty of studies that show the values of masks in social settings, when we don't know is exactly what the best policy is for the use of masks, but because we know that masks help and will reduce transmission and they only really work when everyone around you is doing it, because once there are people without masks, that are shedding virus the amount of virus in the atmosphere in an ventilated room becomes so high that it can overwhelm the protection you have from your mask, and it may also overwhelm the protection you have from a vaccine, so you want to layer as many protections as you can and you need other people to be wearing their masks as well. this is a fundamental thing that we have to recognize is
that yes, we want liberties and freedoms but my freedom and when i am endangering your health, there is a limit in society, we can't be irresponsible, we must be responsible not just for ourselves but for those around us. we mustn't put other people in danger, and we have many laws about this, for example we have laws about secondhand smoke, you can't smoke in a restaurant these days, because, you're putting other peoples lives at risk, so there are freedoms that we voluntarily give up in order to protect others, and i think it is important that we recognize that there is also freedoms that we give up as parents. you're not allowed to leave a minor at home alone, for very sound reasons. when we imposed public health mandates for one reason or another, it's to the benefit of society at that time, in that
moment and in order to do the best thing and that is what these issues are about, when it comes to our current situation in florida which is very, very dire, and we are up to 617 cases per hundred thousand in miami, in florida excuse, me right now and that is just not a place where we can sustain not using additional protections, even the vaccines can be overwhelmed, everything can be overwhelmed if the doses are really high. >> final question, this report about ventilators from the national stockpile heading your way however much the governor says he was not aware of this, didn't requested it sounds like god forbid you may need him. >> i'm so sorry to say that that is happening, we are having to put more people in icu, percentage of our
population in icus now has gone up and our need for ventilator has gone up, we are grateful that more are coming our way, we're also going to need more staff, our staff is really overworked. >> indeed, the state of texas is already importing doctors from surrounding states, i am sure it is inevitable in florida, doctor aileen marty, thank you so much for always being generous with your time and taking our questions along with your forthright answers. coming up for us, why one of our next guest says quote, maybe, just maybe, joe biden, chuck schumer, nancy pelosi actually know what they're doing after the democrats pick up a couple of winds. couple of winds accident. i was— >> look, there are some in my speaking of accidents, we accidentally left you off the insurance policy during enrollment, and you're not covered. not even a little bit? mm-mmm. no insurance. no. when employees can't enter and manage their own benefits enrollment information, it can be a real pain. not even—
caucus who think there is too much, and some they believe it's too little, i can tell you this, in reconciliation, one, we are going to all come together to get something done and to, it will have every part of the biden plan in a big, robust way. >> majority leader sounding a note of optimism despite the future of infrastructure legislation, the deal is contingent on getting democrats in both houses on board, west virginia democratic senator wait for it, joe manchin who support will be key says in
part, given the current state of the economic recovery, it's irresponsible to continue spending at levels more suited to respond to a great depression or a great recession, not an economy that is on the verge of overheating. lot to talk about with our guest tonight again eugene robinson pulitzer prize willing columnist for the washington post and mike murphy veteran republican strategist, also cohost of the hacks on tap podcast, eugene you get to go first, your assessment of the week, the democrats have had thus far? >> well, it's been a pretty incredible week, there is no way they were ever gonna get a trillion dollar infrastructure to do the senate with 19 republican votes, there is no way they were gonna hold together the entire caucus deposit 3.5 trillion-dollar
budget resolution all the way to joe manchin to bernie sanders, even yet here we are they got both of those things done and it was absolutely no way that they were going to do both of these things at once, right? and so for democrats who they are inclined to think that the sky is falling, the skies always falling, i think they're gonna entertain the possibility that maybe the sky isn't falling, maybe joe biden, nancy pelosi, chuck schumer are good at this, and so as we look ahead to all of the obstacles that this legislation, everything else will have to cross to actually become fact, maybe they can get a lot of stuff done, because that's what they seem to be doing, they're
getting it done. >> mr. murphy this following quote from mitch mcconnell in the wall street journal caught our eye joe the first of these two sentences is on the indecipherable side, it reads quote, there is nothing to back you up like the promise of a presidential signatory, if you're in the same party as the president here is the money bite, and so i think the president deserves a lot of credit for getting the democrats open to reaching a bipartisan agreement on this bill, as a mcconnell whisperer, mike does that mean anything for the future, or is it simply a quote for the wall street journal? >> no, i think he means it mcconnell could've torpedoed this thing, i think the translation is, biden stop the liberal wing of the democratic
wing of the party to get to a place where republicans could vote for it. i will give all of them a ton of credit for this, we needed to show our allies and nato around the world that we can pass a grown-up bill on something we really need to be economically competitive with which is in construction, i think we're going to part two and i'm worried about the house where there are a lot of progressive democrats who are unhappy and they've been beating their dream catchers into staffing sticks lately, and i think the infrastructure bill may not be out of the woods yet, but i hope that i'm wrong because the country needs it. >> eugene, two mics colorful point, is biden's biggest problem blue on blue, friendly fire? >> well, frankly i think that's over done, i think blue on blue
is overrated, because a look at the record so far in the biden administration. yes you have grumbling from the progressive wing, you have grumbling from the moderate wing, and as the house tries to pass the infrastructure bill and also wants to see the senate budget resolution with all the climate provisions and all the things in it and the progressives and the moderates go back in forth about what should come first and watch it come later, that is always the dynamic. yet, nancy pelosi has shown she is very good, even though she's only working with a three or four vote majority, she is very good at martial in her caucus, at taking its temperature, at finding a way to get what she
needs out of the house, and so i think anyone who underestimates her ability to do that, even in what many people see as daunting circumstances, i think everybody who underestimates her is frankly a fool, and ought to at least take a glance at her record. >> mike, take 45 seconds because i need to get to a break and react to the quotes last week from hakeem jeffries about his party, about the democrats on the left focused mainly around twitter but his contention was, democrats across this country, a country where trump won what's 90% of the counties in the united states, democrats by and large are of the moderate ferocity. >> well, i think he's right, center left, i wouldn't say pure moderate, but look what's happening in these elections
where the grassroots democrats are speaking, a high 11, the super progressive candidates, the aoc candidates was 20 points ahead, new york city mayor's race the top two finishers for the modern democrats, so i think the real democratic party in the twitter verse are not the same thing, they need to learn that lesson. >> both of these gentlemen, along with their respective dream catchers have agreed to stay with us over this break. coming up the law of our voting rights include arrest warrants delivered endured or visits for those texas democrats fighting to protect the ballot. he ballot.
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confident that we have given it our all and i'm going to my district, i'm not going to the floor, i'm going to hopefully save off some of the issues that we're having because our governor fails to lead as it relates to covid-19. >> the texas democrats who spent the last month breaking quorum in washington are taking the voting rights fight back home under the threat of a rise, the u.s. senate adjourned without taking federal legislation, putting it off until at least september because they need their summer break, in the texas capital, the house sergeant in arms went door to door earlier today, armed with civil arrest warrants, not criminal, for every democratic a lawmakers who might have shown up, part of governor abbott's performance art initiated, and now on the senate side right now, senator carroll alvarado is about to enter her fifth hour of a filibuster, little
mr. smith action to draw attention to voter suppression efforts. still with us are our friends eugene robinson and mike murphy. mike, do you first, are you surprised at the drive, the passion of these texas democrats, and what do we look to thus far to say has been a result? >> i root for the tailor machine to do one more mr. smith reference there, but you have to admire their passion, but ultimately this is kabuki theater, i'm with them on the issue, i don't like the bill, but you get elected, this has happened before in texas where they do the warm thing, it boils on for a while, but eventually, you have to show up and vote, with the supreme court acting, i think the jig is up, and they will have to go participate now or risk being arrested. we don't need any more kabuki theater, if they don't have the votes, they don't have the votes as because the issue is.
>> and eugene, i know you thought a lot about this and you've written about this, what happens if voting rights fail in the u.s. senate? >> well, i've talked about how democrats love to worry, if they want someone to worry about, voting rights is what they should worry about, because it's such an important tint issue, many democrats see it as an existential issue for our democracy, not just for the party, that said, i'm not ready to write it off, right off the possibility that something actually gets through somehow, hard to imagine exactly how that happens, but here is maybe how it starts. senator schumer, along with senator warnock, senator manchin, i think senator cain
and one other, they're already meeting, trying to craft a voting rights, a federal voting rights bill that is broadly acceptable to the entire democratic caucus in the senate. now, the question is, even if you have all the democrats on board, how do you get over the filibuster? it may come down to crunch time, it comes down to bringing that legislation and bring it to the floor and seeing at the end what joe manchin and kristen cinema are willing to do in support of an existential piece of legislation that they support and that they helped craft, so, we may get to that point, we may see because i don't see republicans, any of
them, jumping into support this effort however reasonable and necessary they're just not going to play to that. eric o anti child safety in your state with a staggering death toll? >> i think he's put himself in a bad corner. he's playing republican primary politics because he wants to be president. he's also in a bit of an auction in terms of anti mask each other with ted cruz, who also wants to be president. the problem, is desantis has a real liked where his polling numbers have collapsed.
his day job he -- is the drum major for it -- and all of the states of the country. and even the republican politics are gonna serve over this overtime. so i think he's really making a political mistake here. but it's one of these guys who is afraid to back down. so the problem is compounded. >> i just read tonight, in, fact this number might get some traction. the florida death toll now exceeds the margin he won by in florida, so the constituents say he is -- his caution my had to have gone away, in the worse. way our thanks to our two friends of the broadcast, eugene robinson, rob murphy, thank you so much for sticking around and talking tonight. coming up for night for us, where america has pulled, out the taliban is rushing. in tonight, in afghanistan, there are words that cable will fall and the remaining americans will have to get out sooner than they thought. han they thought
as we said earlier, concern is growing in the capital of afghanistan tonight as the taliban continues to take ground from afghan fighting forces across the country. politico reporting there are now internal discussions underway about possible evacuating the u.s. embassy in cavill, all of this happening of course, in the vacuum of the u.s. pull out after a 20-year war. we get our report again tonight from and d.c. news foreign correspondent and come by eta in kabul. >> tonight, the taliban claims hundreds of prisoners -- after they say they overwhelmed the jail holding the insurgents and flood flew open the gates. this after a devastating setback in the north for afghan officials. hundreds of afghan soldiers under siege of the esper at the airport surrendered. taliban video shows vehicles
filled with weapons and an attack vehicle in their hands. by some estimates, the taliban now controls 65% of afghanistan. more families are fleeing to the capital kabul every day. this woman says the taliban are not allowing girls or woman to go to the market. under the taliban, girls were banned from school and women from work. many here are terrified these dark days are about to return. >> do you worry about the girl's safety today? >> [interpreter] yes, the principal says, they tell us, you will might die. [end of translation] . >> it upsets. you >> yes, she says, i try to help the woman. i am very sad when i see all these girls, i get really upset now. >> today a student at the american university here told her that her mother bought her a burqa, not because she wants her to cover up, but because she said they have to be prepared. brian? >> kelly kumbaya in kabul,
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c news, goodnight. >> tonight on all in. >> donald trump's pattern has been to use acolytes and sycophants in this position's weather in the white house or in the congress. >> the widening investigation into trump's attempt to subvert democracy, and the role his chief of staff play than it. >> mark meadows everybody. >> then, just one day after the bipartisan infrastructure vote, republicans are back to their old obstructionist ways. >> republicans refusing to support anything on voting rights is not an excuse for democrats to do nothing.