tv The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC August 17, 2021 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times, we are grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. welcome to "the beat." the pentagon says kabul airplane is under control after the initial chaos and evacuation is speeding up. >> we have no attack or threat by the taliban. the speed of evacuation will pick up. repredict that our best effort could look like 9,000 to 5,000
passengers departing per day. that's the pentagon briefing last night, 155 of them are americans. you can see what that looks like for them, people trying to get anywhere other than afghanistan. the pentagon confirming a body found inside the wheel well of the plane when it was landing in qatar. president biden is back in camp david today, returning to the white house tonight according to aides, jake sullivan defending the administration's withdrawing decisions. >> the images of the past couple of days at the airport had been
heartbreaking. >> the taliban is basically in charge with the eyes of the world very much upon it. they are doing something that according to analysts look like a pr campaign. this is a group committed the worse atrocity specifically women and girls over the years. they are now saying, i emphasized, "saying," they are going to respect women's right. we begin with katty kay. katty, we are a few days in do this and everyone is starting to absorb the process of difficult
humanitarian situation and the ending of a multi-decade expedition and mission in afghanistan that multiple presidents including biden and trump have said it was past time to exit. what are we learning as this continues? >> with some knowledge to international perceptions about human rights issues. i think it is worth giving the whole phrase there that they said they would respect the rights of womens and girls within their definition. let's see what it actually
means. there were few women and girls in the streets in kabul at the moment. many are sheltering at home and scared to come out which gives you an indication of whatever they trust the taliban is trying to project the other country. that's when we are starting to learn the situation in afghanistan. the eyes of the world is still in the country. the taliban has more than incentives today to protect human rights. let's see how it unfolds in the weeks to come. >> david? that's right, the eyes of the world remains on them. we have a variety of means of putting pressure on them.
i think in particular working with the chinese, russian and the palestinians. the chinese have been interacting with the taliban. we'll have to find a way to work with them and after all i do think it is important to remember the chinese are as uncomfortable with the spread of militant extremism particularly islamic extremism as we are. they have as you know these challenges in the northwest that they have been meeting themselves. none the less are aligned there that gives us a chance to try to influence the taliban going forward. >> understood and our panel of independent analyst stays. we want to bring in a special guest in the conversation with a
sense of governing experience in the region. many of viewers will recognize him as a governor veteran. ambassador, i want to start with you building from what we just heard from our experts. what do we take from the evolution of the so-called american foreign policy consensus here that went from a post 9/11 framework that seems to be interventionists on a bipartisan basis to a position now as mentioned, you have no appetite from anyone who gets into the white house from maga to biden to stay out there. >> well, you know, this has been a selective decision on the part of president biden's team. we still are maintaining a residual force in syria as well as iraq with respect to countering terrorism. and let me point out, if you read the agreement and donald
trump and mike pompeo negotiated back in february which is dumb as a rotten hot potato in the in coming biden team. you have to ask how much of this disgrace deal have left afghanistan open to al-qaeda. al-qaeda continues to operate with the support of the taliban, particularly through the network whose number two is the son of the leader of al-qaeda's support network inside afghanistan. the president has to deal with the consequences. more importantly the residual problem that we try to avoid
which is the continuation of extremist group operating inside afghanistan no matter what the taliban says. >> yeah, that's the most recent history before the biden administration took over including as "the new york times" is pointing out. i guess it is the dumbest idea, although it is hard to pick, that was scuttled by people around him. you know how hard it is to pull him back from a bad idea. so there is plenty of blame to go around as each of you is alluding to. i did want to reflect on how much this has changed. we took a look at some of the local news paper coverage around the country. nicole and others pointed out there is kind of this gap here between basically to my control room, i think we have this. basically a gap between what d.c. thinks is a big story and
how it is playing around the country. do we have the newspapers? we'll pull this up because it is a little bit interesting to reflect on the fact that this is a huge story in every way we care about. yet if you look at what's happening on the ground, it ranges. "the des moines registrar," it made the front page. afghanistan withdrawal. people are talking about the vaccine and what's going on.
what does it tell you from this story is not front page everywhere in america right now? >> yeah, this is what the white house believes and this is why president biden and his national security team are sticking firmly to their position that this is a right moment to get out because they have the backing of the country and the news headlines reflect that. david was saying the eyes on the world will be on afghanistan, i am not sure if that's the case. you and i know how news cycle works. there is a lot of interests in afghanistan this week. whether there will be a focus on afghanistan next week or the week after that, i am just not so convinced.
we won't be given -- it is not front page around the country at the moment. it is not getting the kind of attention that it is getting right now. let alone the intelligence community ability to have eyes on the ground and find out that is going to be diminished, too. our ability to know what's happening in afghanistan and know how much terrorist threats afghanistan poses is going to get hard or not easy going forward. >> katty kay raised an important point. the first one is the ambassador and second, we'll cue up david for it. katty says the biden white house, if they like it or not because there is nothing to like in this terrible situation. they believe in the civic and political space to do this
america that the public broadly supports this even if they get hit left and right by members of congress and etcetera, i am curious of your response. of course politics should play no role and from vietnam to iraq, politics, democracy does constrain what we do in foreign policy. >> hopefully the taliban is smart enough to permit americans as afghan, that'll determine to keep qatar open. this story will fade, we'll get those people out.
but the fact that these are the american public to far more interested in the stories that are directly impacted, mainly their children going back to schools and extension of the delta variant and afghanistan is susceptible to those who are veterans and served in afghanistan and knows members of congress who deeply cares about the consequences of our veterans and what their sacrifices have been. that appears to the heart strings of most americans. they don't want to believe that with respect to basically doing what we need to do after 9/11. >> david? >> well, i think i pick up on katty's point, it will be harder for us to keep our eyes on the ground there. first of all, some of the country, pakistan has a border and china.
they'll remained engage because they got to be engaged. the president has said we are going to continue to monitor this. it is not going to be the priority it was when we had troops on the ground there. that's the point. the point is the united states has other priorities in asia or elsewhere in the world. we got to pursue those priorities. >> yeah. ambassador, i mentioned some of the criticism or the nature of the reaction over fox news they're trying to deal with this. they have to sort of pick their targets because they were loudly supporting some of what you call the terrible hot potato from donald trump but it was us trying to get out of afghanistan. here is what they landed on. take a look. >> is it really our responsibility to welcome thousands of potentially
unvetted refugees from afghanistan. all day we heard phrases like "we promised them," who did? did you? >> over a decade, that number swell to a millions. first we invade and then we invaded. >> ambassador? >> all the crocodile tear that is come out of fox's and republican supporters trying to whitewash the trump's deal and turning it into an immigration issue. they have nowhere to go. whitewash in history is the number one on fox protecting the trumpism. those of us watching this and watching mike pompeo pompously declaring this is the first day of presidency of joe biden's. he was the one rushing to qatar to sign his deal and have his signature all over this deal but
they don't want to be reminded of that. >> david, the ambassador has what's known as receipts because he tracks it. i want to know what you think about that final executive tissue. so much of the biden era is running from everything trump did. yet because of the nature of this conflict and the agreement made and a lot of complex stuff that you guys have been extra extricating. >> yeah, trump wanted to leave earlier, trump and april was touting the fact that he would have left sooner and biden dragging h is feet. that was his point weeks before all of this happened. and of course mark is right.
so the trump administration was all over the place with bad ideas but i do want to point out that it was in 2009 and the beginning of the obama administration when they did an afghan review that vice president joe biden stood up and said, no, it is time to go. he has known for more than 12 years that we didn't have a mission we could achieve that we were putting too many lives at risk and we were spending too much money and resources better spent elsewhere. he's been making this case long before, you know, donald trump arrived on the scene and his critics arrived in the scene with this. he's been following. he was the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee when we went into afghanistan. >> yeah.
>> some of it is tragic and we have been watching it around the world and a lot of complex. we just take it as we go here so we are indebted to everyone here. while joe biden is still in afghanistan, any president has to do more than one thing at a time. we have two obama veterans, high-ranking about whatnot only the afghanistan situation does to the presidency but why progressives are trying to team up with biden to suspend the capital. new video coming out of the justice department and we'll explain why it is new. critics are blasting the latest move of maga governor ron desantis, stay with us. gov ron desantis, stay with us nurtec is the first and only option proven to treat and prevent migraines with one medication. onederful.
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august is supposed to be the slowest month in washington. it has been packed on everything from our top story, the u.s. withdrawing afghanistan, poses big challenges for the administration. it is a biden administration that has found a way to make this august productive. two big wins in the senate, the infrastructure bill and that comes after some other popular
action in this early period of the administration, a covid relief bill that got cash out to millions of families, vaccination efforts even as delta surges has put one shot in the arms of 70% of americans, pretty high but not high enough. the economy is adding jobs and the unemployment rate finally fallen to prepandemic levels, all of which is part of probably why joe biden has a far better approval rating than donald trump ever did, it is above 50%. biden may be in this tougher stretch which is why we are getting into this right now. covid is resurging in ways -- biden's spending plan pushing back in the house and they are hammering how this is going to work. biden's approval is above water which is a little higher than trump. biden demonstrated that the openness to work with
republicans and that was what the infrastructure break was all about. we are hitting a lot of experts of a crucial inflection point. at a time government has been getting some things done after four years of really federal atrophy under the previous administration. is it time now for joe biden to spend the political capitol he had been building, he's actually celebrating the accumulation of that capitol in realtime. >> i signed into law the american rescue plan. if you are on track to reach this goal by my 60th day in office. no other counties have in the world have done this.
the biden economic plan is working. >> here is the question facing the biden white house and thus the democratic coalition and it was not the obvious question three months ago. given what's been done, is this the time for president biden to move from bipartisan thing. there are some issues where reporting indicates that this democratic coalition wants action. these are the people voted biden in. biden eyeing tougher vaccine rules for the general public. a lot of folks thinking that's a good idea. the politics are mixed at best.
is this the time to go for it even if it means basically a full step away from the republicans he was courting last week in the senate. liberals also want biden to take on student loan forgiveness at a time when corporations and amazon and corporate profits are surging and a lot of people are living through a pandemic with crushing debt. police reform and congress and the house passed it and senate has enact it. should joe biden do more to get into progress or a win there even if no republicans come along because boy, do we have evidence, that would not be a bipartisan winner with this current party. it is a big question at a key time, we have frankly some big guests to get into it. david plouff ran the obama campaign. and chai, known for "chai day"
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thanks to both of you for being here. >> good to see you, ari. >> david, absolutely, i will start with you. i am sure you have been in rooms with a bunch of experienced and tough and smart people have generally the strong believes system and something gets prioritized and some don't. we were looking at this as we just laid out here in the set
up, do you think president biden should do all of those, walk us through it? >> we can name another 20 issues that's critical and important to this country in the world. the pandemic remains the number one thing connected to the economy. tough do everything you can to get vaccination rates up. it is why the infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill is so important. doing is important, story telling does not happen on its own. you have to be diligent about that. police reform is probably the last thing that may happen in congress potentially with republicans. senor scott and others, voting rights they're going to have to do that. or you risk saying bye-bye to democracy. you got to belly up to the bar
here and do the big thing to save our democracy. but, i think at the end of the day, joe biden will have an amazing story to tell where i can work with republicans, i got criticize by my own party or they would not, whether to protect our democracy and do more to help the middle class. i think you have to not just say that. you have to go out to where jobs are being created and businesses have been saved and families have been helped and do story telling. that's not just on the white house, every member of congress can do that. >> when you look at say vaccines and just the entire, obviously you can say any president has that obligation to keep america
safe. you have been in meetings like this where they're going to say the things we need now with what's left of what we have been reporting on "the beat," we need vaccine hesitant. you got to tax people who don't get vaccinated and they'll really get vaccinated and we think we'll save lives. that's all fine in theory and you got a president looking at that and going, you are going to drop 40% approval if you do that. how do you navigate that? >> the biden white house as it was true and it was true with bush's and clinton's. they're not going to interfere with what health experts had to say. there is a whole bunch of things before you get to taxing. once there is fda approval, there will be other people coming in. the last week, there is not an hour that goes guy where there
is not another major school district is shutting down and going virtual because you have such an outbreak. 70% of people in texas support mandates for masks in schools. if you can get the vaccination rate to 80% and getting these slopes going down, that's going to be good for the country and more important than politics. politics will follow that. at the end of the day, we are all weary of where we are. i do think you see vaccination rates up in a lot of places around the country. the governor of texas just announced he got covid in a breakthrough case. i understand the unvaccinated should be taxed and pay more for healthcare. i think there is a lot of things some of them are in the moment
we are in. when the fda comes out with approval, that'll move the group from hesitancy to vaccinated. any in coming president inherited since roosevelt. i think when you look at it that way and lays the stakes of what he's done here, they have don a phenomenal job. >> chai, go ahead? >> joe biden has done a really great job. the problem is two challenges ahead. the legislation is going to get harder. infrastructure is not a culture war item. i don't know how many minutes tucker carlson talking about infrastructure, it is not many. the things remained, police reform and voting rights. those are highly controversial.
that's where there is going to be a real fight. the second thing is the pandemic. it is the pandemic stupid is simply a way of putting it. as kids go back to school and as this delta variant rages on and as people still remained unvaccinated, that'll be the biggest determinant of joe biden's popularity. if we have school closures and lockdowns, it is really not going to matter what legislation gets passed in d.c. i think he's smart on these issues. boy, are there big challenges ahead. >> i think you make a fair point. >> james cargo did say it is a pandemic stupid last time and this is a real part of american life. there is a rule, chai, you have not done quite as much of television as david. the rule and david knows this. if you are going to quote james
carvel, you have to dress like him in a segment because you are so important. that's the rule, chai. >> i would never wear an lsu sweatshirt. i am sorry about that. ucla is going to play lsu this fall. that's a no-go for me. >> david is a strategist, i don't know if he'll give us the real, honest answer. it is some sort of political power move when you are at a stage when you are under dressed for everything which we love james carvel. that's what he does. i want to keep you both and turn on a related question. we talked about what biden got to do. let's be clear, joe biden has been getting food marks by handling covid. desantis showing little interests trying to get vaccination rates up. our panel stays, we'll show you the latest.
he's opening the football stadium but it is not for vaccinations which we have seen in other states. it is a place where people can go for treatment after getting covid. desantis doing this while again let's be clear, this may be an emergency measure and call it what you want. the context is this maga governor is doing this instead of working with local schools on masks or doing other thing that is the doctors say prevent people in florida from getting sick in the first place. >> early treatment with these antibodies and regeneron reduced people ending up being hospitalized. its got to be top priority. >> maybe a priority that we should note, the number of people rushing to the hospital
is breaking records. it is one of the highest in the whole country. it is lower than the vaccination rate. 5,000 plus students and hundreds of employees testing positive for covid or exposed to the virus and they are quarantining. that's the facts and the context for people who may not have their eyes on florida, i go to you, first, david, what do you think about that? >> he's a hero of the maga base today. if he runs for president and maybe he'll still be in '23 or '24. you are running to be president of the united states and you have his resume as essentially how he handles the pandemic which is a disaster and it is going to get worse everyday. what we knew is going to happen is unfolding in states like florida and texas and others where you see as schools reopened, they're closing downright away and a lot of people are getting sick and
hospitals are overwhelmed. they like to talk about they are now the party for the working people. okay, teachers, nurses, doctors or anybody in the medical field has been going through hell because of the responsibility here. nobody thinks republicans are better messengers, 2020 was about there is going to be ms-13 in the suburbs. a lot of this stuff that everybody thinks they're being brilliant has not worked. again, the gate to get through republican primary, congress senate, president '24 is disconnected from the electorate. in all of these battleground states in 2024, is going to be a
series of memories of what's happening. you got 70% of those people vaccinated and you got 70% of people be responsible about wearing masks again. but, again the gate to get through a general election is 24. it is different than getting through a republican primary. >> i am running over on time. chai, in 30 seconds, is desantis cooking his own goose? >> i think he's done the impossible and he makes donald trump looks smart and competent and pathetic. he's been a disaster. if you are at donald trump at mar-a-lago, you are not worried about this guy. >> very interesting way to say it. he's described as the mini-me as donald trump or as drake, the
big u is like a mini me. this has political problems and more importantly we cover and we hope they deal with the humanitarian problems. we don't care if florida is red or blue. thanks to chai and david. >> still ahead, one of the first civil cases against the capital rioters. the covid booster shots. we have news on that as we cover the health progress. stay with us. at as we cover the health progress. stay with us okay, we're not gonna ask for discounts on floor models, demos or displays. shopping malls can be a big trigger for young homeowners turning into their parents. you ever think about the storage operation a place like this must rely on? -no. they just sell candles, and they're making overhead? you know what kind of fish those are?
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turning to an important story, new evidence from the horrific attack. this contains strobe lights, as what you see here is a mob entering the capitol spreading what is believed to be a dangerous chemical substance, flashing strobe lights and using riot gears. it is another accounting of what happened that day as these trials continue and we learn about the range of violence used against these police officers and it comes amid another new lawsuits. we'll keep you posted of all efforts and accountccountabilit. this is from the widow of the d.c. officer. the two men assaulted her late
husband during the january 6th riot should be legally responsible for the consequences of his now untimely death. this is one of the first civil cases against some of those rioters, it comes as defense -- legally may be responsible for what happened. for example, a known proud boy supporter pleading guilty to kill warnock. he plans to go to washington with the purpose of inciting violence and posting menace online and including the quote "dead men can't pass blank laws." joining me law is melissa murray, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> there is certainly a lot going on and everyone understands this week.
we continue to stay on the accountability of january 6th, even in an environment that we cover. i am just curious first your thoughts about where the accountability goes in some of these cases including relatively unusual civil case? >> well, this is as broad landscape that we are playing on. accountability plays on a lot of different directions, there is broadly the question of what congress may do in terms of oversight and you have seen all of that sort of play out the demise of the january 6th commission. we are getting to see criminal liability being lodged and taking part in the insurrection and now we are beginning to see these targeted civil suits of individuals that come in tandem with some of these criminal
cases. the widow's husband did not technically die in the line of duty. >> yeah, you just said something really precisely, it may strike a lot of people as messed up. i wish i mean if this person ultimately not only faced the horrific attacks that day by this is mob whipped up clearly by donald trump that he summoned them there on january 6th. i am not issuing the final judgment but as you say that's not counted in a way that provides for the on duty support that different individuals would get. i want to read again when we talk about what happened that day which is not apart of that technical distinction, the lawsuit i am reading from the washington post coverage includes report from a doctor
who independently evaluated this case and said there is a traumatic brain injury that led him to take his own life. professor, the law requires diving into tough areas of prognosis which is not whether the court views this suicide is linked to or the proximate cause by what actually happened that day. >> can you speak to that? >> it is an important issue. what smith is doing with the civil lawsuit is laying a foundation for exactly what you say. her husband did not die on that day but the event of that day linked to his depression and post syndrome which in turns lead to suicide. she's seeking for damages and
david coffman who's one of the person hitting her husband. but, again, this is all to lay out the case on one that she can get punitive damage because of wrongful death and the loss of her husband during this event but it can lay a foundation for the metropolitan police to reconsider the denial of her survival benefits if it is found to be linked to her husband's suicide. >> as you say that all goes down to what the justice can be, justice after facts like this is always going to be imperfect and no one can bring the officers back in the case of these people lost their lives. what is justice? i appreciate you walking us through it, professor murray, thank you. >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you when we come back that news on covid booster shot, what to
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alabama representative terri sewell is unveiling a new bill to restore the voting rights act. it was initially gutted in 2013 by the supreme court. the bill is named after the late john lewis and the announcement being made on the historic edmund pettus bridge in selma. that was the sight of those horrific bloody beatings of civil rights marchers, including lewis. >> today i'm at the foot of the edmund pettus bridge to get into some good trouble, necessary trouble. what we need is to restore federal oversight, enforceability into voting
rights. we have to write and fight for the people. let's get into some good trouble. let's pass h.r. 4. >> it's one more important thing happening in a busy news week. this bill would strengthen federal oversight over voting where we've seen so many discriminatory attacks around the country. house leaders say there could be a vote as soon as next week. that's our final word there tonight on "the beat." the reidout is joy reid is up next. >> we've got a voting strategy session later on in the hour, so thank you for teeing that up. really appreciate it. have a good evening. >> we'll be watching. good evening, everybody. we begin the reidout tonight with the crisis in afghanistan where many are desperately trying to leave the country. evacuations resumed overnight after being halted earlier due to the scenes of afghans rushing