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of the things if you go on @arimelber on social media, i can share that with you. you can subscribe to my free news letter at right now. we have fun, get the pets in there and stuff we can't do on tv sometimes. i'm going to hand it off because "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. >> always here for dr. ruth and pets. thank you, ari, i appreciate it. have a great evening. bye. all right, good evening, everyone. we have a lot to get to. with breaking news here at home and overseas. a florida school board just voted to defy governor ron desantis' insane ban on mask mandates in schools. and president biden strongly defended his decision to pull out of afghanistan and said american troops would get every american out of the country, even if it means staying past the august 31st deadline. but we begin "the reidout" with the biden administration taking forceful action on multiple
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fronts in the war against covid. starting with booster shots, which will be offered to all americans beginning the third week of september. >> the reason most people in america don't worry about polio, smallpox, measles, mumps or rubella today is because of vaccines. the threat of the delta virus remains real. but we are prepared, we have the tools, we can do this. if you aren't going to fight covid-19, at least get out of the way of everyone else who's trying. >> the biden administration will also require that nursing home staff be vaccinated in order to continue receiving medicare and medicaid funding. these developments come as america's hospitals are back in crisis mode, overwhelming health care workers who are facing burnout. states like alabama are out of icu beds. they're done. a hospital association president called it uncharted territory with some patients being treated on gurneys in hallways.
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but what is perhaps most troubling is the spike in covid cases among children. now returning to school as mask orders turn their classrooms into battlegrounds. tens of thousands of kids are already in quarantine or isolation and school has just begun. what's quickly emerging in plain sight with the modern day political pawn. public school kids, many of whom can't get vaccinated, with nearly 6,000 students testing positive or getting exposed to covid in one florida school district alone. joining me now is dr. anthony fauci, chief medical advisor to president biden and director of the national institutes of energy and infectious diseases. when i take off the one earring that didn't fall off during that open, i want to thank you for being here. let's start with this news about the booster shots. i got pfizer. the whole family has pfizer. i hear that there is this study, that there is this information that we should get a booster shot after eight months.
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i guess the question that i have for you is do you have the same discomfort i do that i could get a booster shot before any child under 12, when kids under 12 can't get it. does it make you as uncomfortable as it makes me? >> no, joy, it doesn't because we have to finish the clinical trials to show that in children that young, it's safe and induces the kind of response that you would predict would be protective. we already know from clinical trials that in adults like yourself that the vaccine, whichever you got, either moderna or pfizer or j&j is safe and effective. i think that's apples and oranges there. one shouldn't pit one against the other. one has to go through the safety study and the other we know how it acts in adults. >> you mentioned j&j because that's the one that was a one-shot deal.
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so right now what we're hearing per nbc news the plan does not yet include those who received johnson & johnson. health officials say they anticipate boosters will be needed in that group as well but they expect more data from johnson & johnson in the coming weeks. can you explain why if johnson & johnson essentially acts the same way that pfizer and moderna do the additional booster shot is not being ordered for them? >> well, it's a timing issue because right now much of the johnson administration, j&j, took place in march and later whereas the mrnas started in january. in order to get the authorization for an additional boost, you have to get the fda authorization. we believe we have time, some wiggle room to do that before the people who got j&j will be at their eighth month, whereas the people who got it in january, the mrna vaccines, they're ready to do that right now in the middle, second, third
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week in september. that's the reason for the difference. nothing that's prejudiced against the j&j. it's a matter of timing. >> you know, thank you for saying that. so the world health organization opposes this. i will just -- and i'm sure you know this already. they oppose it for all adults in rich countries because the boosters will not help slow down the pandemic, by diverting doses away from unvaccinated. the w.h.o. is concerned it will help drive the emergence of more dangerous mutants they said. do you worry that doing booster shots for those of us who are willing to get the vaccine in the first place will not only deprive poorer countries of the vaccine, they can't even get one, and also discourage those who won't take it in this country? >> well, let's start with those in this country. we still emphasize very strongly, joy, that the most important thing we need to do is get the approximately 90 million people who are eligible for vaccination in this country and who have not gotten vaccinated.
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we're doing everything we can with trusted messages, with outreach, with making it very, very easy and accessible to get vaccinated. so clearly that's not going to be interfering or conflicting with the issue of the booster. regarding international, we in the united states are extremely sensitive to the need to get vaccines for the developing world, but you can do both, joy. as a matter of fact, the united states has already either promised or given more vaccines to the developing world than all the other countries combined, including a commitment for half a billion doses, 200 million of which will be before the end of this year. 300 million as we get into 2022. and already given about 115 million doses to about 80 countries. so we feel a very strong commitment for the developing world, lower, middle income countries, but we feel we can do both. we can take care of our own people simultaneously with making a major contribution of
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doses to the developing world. >> i'm glad you said that. i have family in south africa. they have covid because they didn't have the same kid of access and would have gotten vaccinated if they could have. let's talk about some of this ongoing resistance to the basics. you know, there are people who just are refusing. i know some, i'm sure you might know some as well who are just literally laying down the law and resisting getting it. but there is one group that i find the irony is rich, and i just want to know if you do as well. i know that you are probably the best known person that was involved in trying to stop the aids pandemic during the 1980s when that first happened. i want to show you something. this was tweeted by journalist kurt eikenwald. in 1993, a report the moral majority report they used to sending out, this was an ad urging families to mask themselves and their children
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because of aids, which is not spread through the air. it is not an airborne virus. it was obviously an attempt to make a comment about the lgbt community and not in a nice way. what do you make of the fact that this was not orthodoxy until covid, the idea that masks are bad is orthodoxy by people who are also evangelical christians? >> it's apples and oranges, joy. the transmission of hiv has nothing to do with the respiratory tract in the sense of an airborne or aerosol. it is completely apples and oranges. right now you're dealing with a virus that's well known to transmit by droplets and by aerosol. masks right now today in august of 2021, it's well known by multiple studies that masks are beneficial, they're not perfect. but they go a long way in
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preventing the transmission and acquisition of covid-19 or sars-cov-2. so anybody who makes that analogy just doesn't understand the differences in transmission. masks do help and that's the reason why the cdc recommends them under several circumstances. >> yeah. can you talk to the sort of crisis nature of what's happening in hospitals right now? hospital icus are overrun. there are places where there are no beds. what else can be said? there are people who are refusing to get vaccinated but who are willing to be treated with monoclonal antibodies which are a newer technology when they get sick. what do you say to that and to these overrun hospitals? >> well, vaccines prevent getting infected, prevent getting sick, prevent your hospitalization. monoclonal antibodies are a treatment after you do get infected. they're very good, but i'd rather not get infected than get
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infected and have to be treated for it. what's going on in hospitals that are becoming overrun is really a tragedy, joy. we here in the united states have the tools to prevent this. what you're seeing is entirely predictable if you don't get people vaccinated, and yet entirely preventible by vaccine. we've got to do a better job of reaching out to people, getting trusted messengers to convince people why it's so important for their own health, for that of their family and for the community to get vaccinated. we never, ever should be in a position where people who belong in an icu are being treated in a hallway in a gurney. that's just unacceptable. >> it's absolutely unacceptable. in the 21st century when we've got polio vaccines that saved people's lives, for people to be fighting about a miracle vaccine is -- it's wild to me and i'm
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sure it is even worse so to you, sir. dr. anthony fauci, thank you so much. we appreciate your time as always. up next, president biden stands firm on his decision to afghanistan, while republicans pretend they got everything exactly right for the past four years. plus, the fight to save afghan refugees and the predictable xenophobic attacks from the right and the nonsensical right to block mask mandates in schools when thousands of students, kids, are getting sick with covid. but the schools are finding brilliant ways to fight back. and tonight's absolute worst, the politician for best known for giving his boss that adoring gaze now wants to lecture president biden about weakness surrounding evil. give me a break. "the reidout" continues after this. k. "the reidout" continues after this
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rumsfeld, there are no knowns and known unknowns in afghanistan because the truth is no matter what the vast majority of instant afghanistan experts will tell you, we don't know a whole lot. the truth is we do not know what will happen in afghanistan in the coming days, weeks and years or have a full removal of u.s. troops will play out. here's what we do know. the taliban were basically 14th century goons who don't think women should work, go to school or music should be legal. took control of the country with surprising speed. the taliban is awful and untrustworthy and yet they currently stand between thousands of americans and afghan allies and freedom. state department officials are working around the clock to expedite the departure of those u.s. citizens, embassy staff and afghan allies. the kabul airport, guarded by the u.s. military, is stable. here's the latest from administration officials. >> in spite of the obstacles,
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many, many afghans in all of the categories that you cited are finding their way to the airport. and we will continue to do what we can. >> we're going to get everyone that we can possibly evacuate, evacuated. i'll do that as long as we possibly can until the clock runs out or we run out of capability. >> this comes down to an issue of will and leadership. and, no, i did not nor did anyone else see a collapse of an army of that size in 11 days. >> here's what else we know. president joe biden told us he would do this and has taken a steely-eyed approach to delivering on that promise. he told abc news that the united states would get every u.s. citizen out of afghanistan and he added this. >> the idea that somehow there's a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, i don't know how that happens. i don't know how that happened.
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>> so for you that was always priced into the decision? >> yes. >> another thing that has not surprised us, the republican party and their craven political hysteria with the party straddling two incongruous positions, more war or no war. matthew dowd became disillusioned with president bush over the war in iraq. earlier today high tweeted the response by the gop and so many democrats in d.c. to events in afghanistan underlines what i have been saying for years. gop feels no shame and democrats feel shame way too quickly. biden is right in what he is doing. support him vigorously. joining me now is ben rhodes, former national security advisor for president barack obama and jennifer rubin, author of the upcoming book "resistance, how women saved democracy from
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donald trump." thank you very much for being here, both of you. ben, i'm going to start with you because i'm going to read a different "washington post" columnist to jennifer. i'm going to read a little from david ignatius' piece in "the post." here's what he wrote. i thought it was brilliantly written and comprehensive. the structure of the kabul government has been rotting from within for all 20 years of the united states war. every u.s. commander knew its weakness. they worried about the corruption and incompetence of the government, devised elaborate strategies to fix it, kept convincing themselves they were making progress. president biden rejected the advice and pulled the plug. u.s. combat troops left and in six weeks it crumbled. that rested with me because the other thing pointed out is that biden has always had this belief, even when president obama reluctantly agreed to send in more troops. biden was the one guy saying don't do it. you can't nation build.
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let's get out. so what is surprising is that people are acting like he hasn't had this position for a very, very long time. it is not surprising once you read that piece. your thoughts, ben. >> no, look, joe biden has been very consistent in afghanistan. since i first started working with him back in 2009 during the debate around the surge of forces under barack obama, joe biden was the only and most prominent voice that was against it. he felt that the nation building exercise in afghanistan couldn't succeed. this was too distant and different from the united states. really, joy, you have to think of it in terms of there were two broad missions in afghanistan. the counterterrorism mission to eradicate the al qaeda safe haven, much of which ended up in pakistan which reached a crescendo with the killing of osama bin laden. what we founding over the years
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is in part because of our own failures, the premise of them being able to do that absent u.s. support is what never emerged. joe biden made a decision. it's clearly a tough decision. it's a controversial decision to say, look, i don't think this is sustainable. the only way that we can shift the momentum that the taliban had seized and really advanced after donald trump made a deal to withdraw from afghanistan without getting any real concession with the taliban, the only way to shift that is to add more u.s. forces. that was something he wasn't going to do. but the bottom line is the only way we're going to ending this war is by pulling u.s. forces out and that's what he always said he would do and that's what he's done. >> jennifer, you know, mistakes or magical thinking. the sense i get is that there was a lot of magical thinking. thinking that we could take a culture we know nothing about really and set up a sort of western-style government there and if you just showed people american-style freedoms they would be like, yeah, i want
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that. not taking into account they have their own culture, their own -- there are some people who are to want it and those are our friends and there's all the other people. let me play one person that didn't seem to get it. here's donald trump showing you what he knows on hannity about the taliban. >> i'll tell you what, they're great -- automatically great negotiators. they have been fighting for a thousand years and everything about them they negotiate. >> i mean he seems to have more respect for the taliban than he does for the democrats in his own country. a thousand years? the taliban was formed in 1994. is this -- i just want to throw it over to you. what do you think, jennifer, about all of this? >> everything he said, including the "thes" is false, obviously, deliberate or not. but let's be clear about a few things. first of all, i think you're exactly right in saying that we never fully appreciated that
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what we were asking the afghans to do, to form this central army of hundreds of thousands of people with a national identical -- identity was never going to happen. i think the military's inclination to salute and say, oh, yes, we can do it. oh, yes, it's working. oh, yes, things are getting better. although they may not feel like they're lying, they're just being optimistic. in fact, they begin to delude themselves and, therefore, they give bad information to presidents, they give bad information to congress and the american people. when we go back and look at this, you're going to see a slew of generals, admirals, secretaries of defense, all getting up there and telling us the afghan army is really making progress. we really see them. they are a tremendous fighting force, on and on and on. and it never happened. i think the downside of this going on for very long and then
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having donald trump as president is that he put president biden in the worst possible position. first of all, he drew down to 2,500 troops which made them very vulnerable. secondly, he had ceased processing any of the special visas. they hadn't been processed since march of 2020. there were 17,000 applications back loaded. and he dumped this into biden's lap. what was biden to do? was he going to insert another 10,000 troops to try to get the americans out, to try to get all of the afghan partners out? that simply wasn't feasible. and then when -- i think what happened, although we'll fin out i'm sure, is he was told don't worry, you have months and months to pull this off even if we have to go, the afghan government will oversee it, we'll get people out. was spectacularly wrong. maybe we should have expected it to be spectacularly wrong because we never understood
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really what we were working with. we never understood the afghan army to begin with. if we had, we would have been able to take the handoff earlier than 20 years. maybe the cia is great at reading the enemy, but they're not very good at reading our own allies. and that's the situation that biden found himself in. >> 100%. i go back to iran again. we'll get rid of him, he's not being nice enough, we'll put in the shah, they'll love him. no, they won't. they'll get what their own country wants to put in there. i think donald trump has this weird knack for telling the truth when he doesn't mean to. trump's statement today said the plane that was leaving afghanistan, to the point jennifer just made about not approving visas. you wonder why he didn't do that. the plane should have been full of americans. america first, he says. the statement was sent out by his little press people. the point is that it was never going to be a trump policy to
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bring in 30,000 or so or however many thousand afghans here because his policy was the muslim ban. and so, ben, i think it's magical thinking that's the problem, thinking somehow donald trump would have evacuated those afghans. no, he wouldn't have. his people are already screaming don't bring them here. so where does biden in your view go from here, because he is going to bring people out, and then what? >> well, first of all, joy, i think you made a very important point and put your finger on it, which is i think the most concerning thing that many of us have seen in recent days and that some of the most valid criticisms that the biden team has gotten is on why there hasn't been more of an effort over time to get more afghans out. these are interpreters who saved lives of american troops. these are people who took money to start organizations and set up girls' education. these are people we have a moral obligation to get them out of danger. these are people if they came here as refugees would make
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enormous contributions to the american society, much like the vietnamese community did after the vietnam war. we just celebrated one who won a gold medal in the olympics, for instance. and so the republican arguments against the withdrawal and how it's been executed ignore the fact that their party and their president wanted to slam the door in the face of all these people. they have no moral standing to criticize joe biden for the execution of the withdrawal when they themselves would not have held the door open for these afghans. joe biden has to cast aside the bureaucracy. say we're not going to require interviews and processing visas, we're going to airlift as many of these people, tens of thousands of people outside of afghanistan and we're also going to do our share to let a big share of those refugees resettle in the united states. that's a part of how we ending wars in this country. it's part of how we enrich our country with the contributions refugees make and it's something joe biden should do. >> and those are the people who prove they want to live in a modern context and so there is
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every reason to bring them here and i hope for my profession, for journalists, i would like to see them ask every single republican who's screaming at joe biden right now how many of those afghans are you willing to accept coming into this country? i bet you a lot of their answer is zero. the outrage is so fake. but anyway, ben rhodes, jennifer rubin, i'll put that on myself saying that, not you two wonderful guests. up next, the fight to save afghan refugees, as if getting past the taliban wasn't bad enough, now they have to deal with america's right wing. more on that when we come back. e k [sfx: radio being tuned] welcome to allstate. ♪ [band plays] ♪ a place where everyone lives life well-protected. ♪♪ and even when things go a bit wrong, we've got your back.
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get out of afghanistan. all american citizens who want to get out of afghanistan. they are our priority number one. in addition, we intend to evacuate those who have been supporting us for years and we're not going to leave them behind. we will get out as many as possible. >> we are less than two weeks away from the deadline for the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan. the race is on to evacuate not just the remaining americans but also our afghan allies who fought alongside the u.s. military over the past two decades. complicating the matter, the taliban has set up checkpoints and are reportedly attacking some afghans who try to reach us and reach our military planes. as of this afternoon, u.s. officials said that about 4,000 afghans have been evacuated to the united states, a small fraction of what that number needs to be. "the washington post" reports that aids groups estimate that the number of afghan applicants for special immigrant visas as well as their family members is 80,000. joining me is the president and ceo of lutheran immigration and
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refugee service. she was also a policy director for first lady michelle obama. thank you so much for being here. let's talk about the challenge of getting people that we want out, these 80,000 people, to be able to physically get to the airport. from what you understand, how difficult is it as you understand to get to us. >> about 50% of our afghan allies are outside kabul, so they are in heavily taliban controlled territory. it is clear from the statements by the pentagon they have no capacity or intent to evacuate these individuals to kabul or out of the country. even those who are in kabul who have communicated to us that they are debating whether to go to the airport in the hopes that they can be evacuated or shelter in place are trying to figure
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out how to actually get to the airport because obviously these are actively patrolled streets by the taliban. and so they are so close to potential freedom and yet they can't make their way home. >> to say nothing of the fact that they may have papers on them that indicate they worked with us which puts them in even greater danger. here's the thing that is infuriating i think to a lot of -- probably the folks that watch this show is that if they are able to scale all of those hurdles and get on those u.s. planes and get here, i want to give you a sample of what they're going to face from the people who are pretending to be the most concerned about afghanistan right now. this is stephen miller, who most people know as just somebody who's made his life about tormenting people of color and keeping them out of the united states. here he is last night on fox. >> resettling in america is not about solving a humanitarian crisis, it's about accomplishing an ideological objective, to
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change america. there's a lot of people in afghanistan, millions and millions and millions who don't like the taliban and rightly so. that doesn't necessarily mean that all those millions of people are jacksonian democrats who are pro american and will embrace our way of life. >> he's a fool, but i want to let you respond to him. >> it's true that our afghan allies won't embrace his way of life. his way of life was ripping 5,000 children from their parents' arms. his way of life was allowing innocent children to die because he believed that kids but long in cages. stephen miller is about as unamerican as they come. he's not an authority on what the american way of life is. our way of life is fighting for the rights of girls to get an education. our way of life is america keeping its word. our way of life is leaving no one behind. and that's why our american allies who risked their lives to save ours deserve a hero's welcome here. >> yeah. and luckily he is -- there is a
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white nationalist contingent in the united states, but they are not the majority, far from it. what we're seeing is that there are some republican governors who are singing a very different tune. georgia's governor who is not a big tune of people of color voting, but he has said he's open to accepting refugees from afghanistan. utah's governor says he's eager to assist with resettling afghan refugees. kim reynolds of iowa who's not too much in favor of stopping covid, but she says she's willing to take in eligible refugees. and governor mcmaster who says that it's our duty to take in refugees. can you talk about the -- what could be the dispersal, what could be the dispersal of people from afghanistan around the country, how you think that's going to work and how covid, to be frank, complicates it. some of these states are not fighting covid so they may be going into covid hot spots. >> look, it is heartening to see a sharp contrast in terms of
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republican governors' responses because obviously in 2015 when the syrian crisis led to an infusion of refugees, we saw a number of of these republican governors speak out and reject refugees. so let's hope that this means that there has been some progress. but this is heartening because typically afghan allies will relocate to the d.c. metro area, so virginia, maryland's governor announced that he would welcome refugees coming. so, you know, we've typically seen people go to the d.c. metro area, texas, california. these are obviously areas that are dealing with affordable housing crises and other issues. and so knowing that there are other states that we can look to, to welcome and integrate afghan allies i think is incredibly valuable. it's also really important to understand that this is a win-win situation. we obviously have a moral and military obligation to these individuals but these are people who have become engineers, doctors, entrepreneurs. they're the people who worked in
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hospitals and aides in assisted living homes in the pandemic. they're the ones at meat processing plants taking jobs that americans won't. so i think it's really important to recognize that this isn't just the right thing to do, it's the smart thing to do for america. >> indeed. this is, as you said, it's a win-win, enhancing our culture with people who sided with us in a war against the taliban and did everything they could to help us win, which was really an unwinnable situation for us, but more for them. so they deserve to be here and hopefully they will all be here very soon. thank you so much for being here. coming up, tonight's absolute worst. he was once called america's most repulsive figure by george will. first, the outrageous display of disregard for children's health by republican governors. do these politicians think voters will reward them for putting kids' lives at risk? really? stay with us. at risk? really stay with us
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emergency planning for kids. we can't predict when an emergency will happen. so that's why it's important to make a plan with your parents. here are a few tips to stay safe. know how to get in touch with your family. write down phone numbers for your parents, siblings and neighbors. pick a place to meet your family if you are not together and can't go home. remind your parents to pack an emergency supply kit. making a plan might feel like homework, but it will help you and your family stay safe during an emergency. woman: from our classrooms... man: the playing fields. maybe more than ever before, we are ready for this school year. i'm so excited to see all of my students. we're doing all we can to make sure our schools are safe... woman: make sure our schools are safe. i want to thank parents and families for working with us. and continuing to be our partners. thank you so much. we can't do it without you. we can't do it without you. woman: because we know quality public schools make a better california...
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republican governors are essentially allowing covid to spread and infect our nation's children. in texas amid the legal back-and-forth about the newly covid-positive governor, greg abbott's mask mandate ban, one district found a loophole requiring masks as part of their dress code. clever. abbott put in place his ban last month and a whole idiot's gallery of republican governors followed his lead including south carolina and this week tennessee's governor issued an order requiring parents to let parents opt out of mask mandates. tennessee's order came days after anti-maskers threatened people in nashville which a parent noted on the day of the governor's order. >> i'm a dad of a new kindergartner. her first day was right after
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the chaos last week. she went to school and was one of a few kids in her class wear a mask which made her ask me why she had to. my answer was because we want to take care of other people. she's 5 years old, but she understood that concept. and it's disappointing that more adults around here can't seem to grasp it. >> meanwhile, arizona governor doug ducey said he'd cut off federal covid funds to school districts that put in place mask mandates. taking a page out of the playbook of the most craven of them all, florida governor and thinly veiled presidential candidate ron desantis who has made the sunshine state his ground zero for the battle between educators who want to protect kids and really his own ambitions. today students in broward county started school with masks, defying the governor's order banning mask mandates. yesterday the state board of education voted to punish that district and the county for rejecting the order but school boards are fighting back hard n tampa, a week into the school
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year more than 10,000 students are in quarantine. the hillsborough county school board voted for a stricter mask mandate. the miami-dade school board met amid scenes of anti-mask protesters ahead of next week's start of school. the state's largest district, which is the fourth largest school district in the country voted overwhelmingly for a mask mandate, setting up two more showdowns with desantis. i'm joined by dr. bernard ashby, a miami-based vascular cardiologist and fernand. i want to start by noting for our audience as we speak tonight and are worrying about the kids in florida, governor ron desantis is at a 25,000-per-person fund-raiser, that's what he thinks is important. let me let you listen to what he said about the students who are currently quarantined in palm beach county today. >> i think as people come, if
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students have symptoms, then they should stay home. i think quarantining healthy kids deprives these kids of an ability to get an education. >> so, dr. ashby, he's not allowing -- he doesn't want to allow mask mandates so he wants kids to come who might be covid positive and asymptomatic, to be able to come to school, not wear masks and now he's saying they shouldn't even be quarantined. a covid positive kid or covid positive teacher should come to school. your thoughts as a physician? >> joy, right now i'm trying to contain myself because i am seething. everything that desantis has done has been contrary to what we medical professionals have been saying. we've actually sent a letter a few weeks ago, myself and some other physicians, that has over 1,200 doctors who have signed onto this letter basically asking desantis to do is job. he is refusing to do his job and instead is playing politics with
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not only our lives but children's lives. tell me you don't care without saying you don't care. i mean 50 pediatric cases were admitted to the icu today and school is just starting. he's telling people that if your kid tests positive and doesn't have symptoms or was exposed to go ahead and go to school? i mean i don't even know what to say. i get so exasperated when i talk about him my blood pressure goes up because he literally doesn't care and he shows it each and every time. he's literally choosing politics over people and it's sick to me. >> i feel the same way. you know, i spend a lot of time fernand feeling incredibly guilty and thanking god every day that my children are grown. you were my miami-dade homey and i think about your kids a lot because you've got little kids. i don't know what i would do right now if i had little kids
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in south florida. i would be home schooling them. thank god for broward county and miami-dade county and palm beach standing up to this guy. this is somebody -- i want to get your reaction to this. he's not only raising $25,000 a head fund-raising, but one of his biggest donors is a guy, his top donor, as a matter of fact, citadel investments has $15.9 million in shares in regeneron pharmaceutical. its ceo ken griffin has donated $10.75 million to a pac supporting desantis. $5.75 million in 2018, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. the investment in regeneron is a fraction of its overall investments but this guy is taking donor money and suddenly being my only plan is all y'all take regeneron if you get sick. nothing else. get sick and then take this expensive treatment. your thoughts. >> my thoughts. you know, first off let me acknowledge and accept what
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dr. ashby said. as you alluded to, joy, i am the parent of two small elementary age children here in miami-dade county. i'm not alone. millions of parents across the state of florida right now are debating what to do. the other thing that hasn't been important in the news is governor is governor desantis himself ruled against the ability for parents to do the virtual learning option at home. so you're not even allowed to do an online class without withdrawing your children from school. and as inexplicable, off the rails and insane as all this sounds, the only conclusion i think we can logically come to is ron desantis is betting his road to re-election as governor of florida and the 2024 nomination as republican nominee for president is going through the grave yards, the morgues and the hospital rooms of adults and children in florida. there is no logical or reasonable explanation for this, and i think mary trump had a
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right on the air waves of this inetwork a couple days ago. and she said it's time to stop calling this person a reputable governor and more a homicidal sociopath, because he's acting in the face of all the science, all the medical advice as you heard dr. ashby said at the outset. >> and the pope. the pope has come out and said it is the christian and right thing to do to get vaccinated even as his chief american cardinal rival is literally on an ventilator right now because he was anti-vaxing with bannon and now he's on a ventilator with covid. i mean, as a physician, dr. ashby, could you in good conscience advocate people take their chances without a mask, take their chances without a vaccine, on the hope that they will get regeneron if they get covid? >> so, joy, the short answer is hell to the no. i mean, that is the definition of insanity. we live in america, the vaccines
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are already paid for, masks are pennies on the dollar. and they're very effective tools that will decrease death. we already see the disparity between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. the vaccines work, and this governor does not care. he literally does not care. and word on the street is he went to yale. what we're seeing right now is the worst aspects of politic, the worst aspects of governing, and there will literally be history books written about this, political courses taught about this because he literally is putting peoples lives in danger and killing people unnecessarily. >> oh, the ivy leagues have taken a hit from the trump people. coming down the tracks in this gubernatorial re-elect is a guy
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named charley chris who was also an education secretary. is there any way this is good politics for desantis, real quick? >> again, in a world where there is a free democracy and you can count on the sanctity of course not. a republican poll came out today showing desantis only has a 3 point lead within the margin of error and everyone who follows politics know when you're seeking re-election if you're under 50% you're in trouble. so i just don't understand the politics. no one does. >> well, 46% of the people who survive him, what he's doing. thank you both. appreciate you. thank you. and up next tonight's absolute worst mooch do not go anywhere. e worst mooch do not go anywhere helen knew exercise could help her diabetes...
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particular brand of genius they would put down their weapons and there would be peace and happiness for all. now of course republicans along with orange julius caesar would love for us to all conveniently forget trump's role in afghanistan and blame it on joe biden. an editorial in "the wall street journal" accusing biden of breaking the deal with the taliban of extending the date of the withdrawal. zero mention of trump's agreement to free 5,000 taliban prisoners many of whom went straight to the battlefield to fight for the enemy side or the sanction on taliban leaders. even worse on this line from pence. quote, weakness arouses evil and the magnitude of evil now rising in afghanistan speaks volumes about the weakness of mr. biden, says the man who was so obsessed with what his dear leader thought of that he literally
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played simon says put your water bottle on the floor edition. and if you want to talk about evil, there's no one who decided to blindly standby his man as he committed evil separating children from their families or calling white supremacists very fine people as mike pence did. >> it's the greatest privilege of my life to be vice president to a leader of such conviction, vision and courage. >> president trump unloads doubling down on his initial response to charlottesville now blame, quote, both sides. >> president trump is a man of his word and a man of action. >> president trump tonight ignoring questions after outrage grows over his insult calling african nations, quote, s-holes. >> another trump's zero-tolerance policy over 2,000
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children have been separated from their parents in the last six week. >> it's been a year and a half of promises made and promises kept. >> so mike pence for your sanctimonious op-ed and your oblivious hypocrisy when it comes to weakness arousing evil, you are tonight's absolute worse. and that's tonight's reid out. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in," a white house mired in a foreign policy fiasco announces a new offensive against the coronavirus pandemic. >> eight months after your second shot, get a booster shot. >> tonight what biden's booster announcement means for you with dr. francis collins from the nih. and as the delta surge continues, how the leader of procovid republicans is undermining public health yet again. >> you know what, that sounds to me like a money making operation for pfizer. then more


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