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. ♪♪ we are ten days from the negotiated deadline to remove troops from afghanistan. the situation remains chaotic. they are trying to flee the country. more than ry20,000 people have beenpl evacuated so far, and th includes approximately 2500 americans. this morning,te president biden met with his national security team. they discussed the security situation inis afghanistan, and counterterrorism operations. the government says the kabul airport is security. nearly 6,000 troops are nationed there. however, nbc learned the u.s. is tracking threats from isis
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against americans and others trying to reach kabul. the military is trying to find an alternate path. despite the challenges on the ground, president biden made this promise yesterday. >> let me be clear. any american who wants to come home, wets will get you home. >> meanwhile, the bipartisan group of governors has committed to taken in afghan civilians. sponsor cotts wrote to biden tuesday, and offered to resist. governor cox added, utah was settled by reffies, we understand the painef caused by forced migration, and appreciate the refugees in the community, unquote. let's get into it with the saturday night panel amna nawaz,
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bean obeidallah, wajahat ali, let me start with atyou, and th latest about the evacuation. particularly this if effort to get people out safely seems to be mostly >> well, i think so far, what we know with that -- the u.s. recognized there is a problem, which f you look back over the events, a lot of people argue they are slow to see that. there has been, images out of the kabul airport, just chaos, and a security situation that the soldiers that are positioned up on t the wall are trying har to contain, and make it incredibly difficult for people who are eligible to evacuate, and those who are cleared on an evacuation list can make it to
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the airport. i have been talking to a number ofve families on the ground, so have been given vague instructions to make their way to the airport and try to flag down and soldier, and try to ge attention withto documents. many tried for hours on end, overnight, with children in toe, and couldn't get to the airport. the constant question the white house is seeing, why more plans were not put in place. what else can be done just from theon airports to get people inside has forced them to take on some newth steps and figure t what they can do. but that situation isn't going to clear itself overnight. my sources on the ground are telling me a lot of people are scared to move around the city. they are frightened about going through talibanab check points. they don't trust the government though says we will try to do everything possible to get you out because of what you are seeing unfold on the ground.ol this is a situation where time
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will tell. but time is something that the ground just don't have. >> well, what is the sense of what to expect from the taliban now? ? they are trying to convince the world theyg are a kinder, gentr taliban, and they are going to have ag different relationship with the community. they claim to be ready to govern, and one of the co-founders have come to afghanistan to talk about themu formation of ato government, bui don't buy it. i mean, it seems like the taliban are what we have to deae with going forward. what are you expecting from them in the weeks to come? t >> is there a face-eating leopard that is saying i'm going to stop eating faces, it's going to go vegan? would you trust it?us i think not. we have seen reports in early julyn they committed massacres. they have seen them use force. we have seen reports of them
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trying to hunt down, the collaborators with the u.s. and native allies. and the taliban will be like the taliban has always been. following an archaic extreme majority, rejected by the majority ofct muslims world wid. they are going to be brutal against women, and minorities and they are going to give haven to violent extremist gifts, and al qaeda and isis. so they have won. they are one of the winless wars on they came back, they have more strength because saudi arabia and china and russia have embassies have a place, and they are going to did diplomatic partners, and so it's going to beso a lot of bar barety, and t people who have always shuferred
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and will continue suffering are the afghan civilians who have never, ever a priority in the endless war on terror. >> what do you think of the way the biden administration is handling it? the troop withdraw and the air lift of evacuations taken place. you have seen susan wild of pennsylvania who will release a letter urgingle the president t go past the august 31st deadline to keep the military on the ground a little longer to make sure the operation is successful. what is your read on how the biden administration is doing and how it's messaging on this to then american people. >> first, can i say thank you, thisu, is the muslim power hour >> we wouldn't have it any other way. >> actually, we're here to help recruit you to islam. turkey bacon is so much better for you.
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it's much better. >> why do we have to have this conversation now?av >> we will talk on twitter. look, going from the biden administration messages, it's really bad. let's be blunt. what is happening the last few days what we saw on tv has been stunning, jaw dropping. it's something we saw in a movie, decades go. how the biden administration doesn't know what is going to happen, after it's sweeping in and did have plans to place to get your american citizens out and our allies, people who risk their lives is behind me, and also, i think it's sols important to look at e bigger picture here, this is a trump peace deal.p this is the trump stakes of peace deals. we got nothing out of it. i ask what did the u.s. get out of u the deal that trump agreed to? we gave them 5,000 prisoners.
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we pressured them to release 5,000 prisoners. the co-founder of the taliban was in pakistan since 2010. trump got him out in 2018. i guess good faith to make a deal with theai terrorists. look, we can't look at this in a vacuum. it was a horrific peace deal by trump, and it's not executed well, i feel for the democrats, and people on the ground, and i look at things this can really hurt the democrats in the midterm election. it feelsdt like a traumatic moment. >> with regards of the long lens view of it. by the way, we received word that the president is going to meet with the national security team tomorrow, and he's expected to provide another update. the president is expected to provide another update tomorrow around ot4:00 p.m. eastern not only on the evacuation, and hurricane henri. so we hope you join us on msnbc
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to watchnb the president's remarks. but the long lens view on afghanistan, in your trajectory, one ofn the earlier stories yo covered, how do you reflect now where we are today and what we areay seeing in the war on afghanistanr now, compared to what wew, saw then what we expected then what wewe said to ourselves then about why we were there and whathy we were going do? >> it's almost hard to remember. it does feel like a different world. i became a journalist in august of 2001, and the very first big story ier covered were the attas on 9/11 and i spent years in afghanistan, in all parts of the country, embedded with u.s. troops and really getting to understand the war and the frustrations and the starts and stops over thend years. it wasn't one long war. it was many different wars with
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shifting strategies and plans and a new war in iraq, and a failure to hold pakistan accountable for putting terrorism in afghanistan. i think we are in a full circle moment. the u.s. fwhent there to unseed a terrorist power and protect itself from a national security perspective. and the last 20ec years, the u. is leaving, negotiating with the same people they have been fighting for years. the sameor power they unseeded back in power and it's causing a lot of people to look back and say, what was accomplished? for all the gains, the women on the ground, and infrastructure, the u.s. did not succeed in the nation building. ituc did not succeed in puttingn place an army that could sustain itself over time. there were a lot of steps that didn't get done. for me, personally, it's full circle. for the ulcountry, the world, is full circle.
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look and think, what sit we're leaving behind? >> we have to pause, what in terms of theus people we are bringing in, i love your sense of this, particularly since we mentioned there are a number of governors who say they are committed to taking in afghans who are fleeing afghanistan. i didn't know you are from the bay area, freemont, that has a large afghan population, little kabul they call it. i want to know about your relationship with the peopleow themselves who may soon be coming to the u.s.? >> the least the united states can do is offer ore homeland, our country, as refuge to the refugees that our wars are made. i'm from freemont, california, and little kabul. and afghan neighbors are the
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mostre hospitable neighbors. and whatbl we have seen, in a broad u.s. history is that reggies and immigrants are great for business. they commit less crimes. the least the united states can dot for a disastrous war on terror. it was disastrous, it was chaotic and bloody, is to welcome the men, women to the shores in aen country where we lostco 600,000 people. we arepl in seeking immigrant workers and asn we have seen, will repeat it, they are the longre term boom and benefit. the least we can do is rise up to the better angels, reflect on the statue of liberty and bring it to our home. give my kebab. the least we can do. we willt get in a showdown over masks in florida. the state passed 3 million confirmed covid cases today.
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also, one airline says no booze on its planes until next e year. stick around for that. first, venneeta has the ted lines. >> storieste we are watching th hour. the university of virginia disenrolled 200 students who didn't meet the vaccine mandate. the students have until wednesday to geten the vaccine file exemption. >> uber and other app based delivery services from requiring drivers to beeq classified as employeescl eligible for benefi and job protections. and general motors announced a voluntary recall on chevrolet bolts. a battery defect could lead to
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a showdown over masks is in schools is hooefting up in florida. covid cases are surging in that state. six of florida's biggest school districts have imposed mask requirements for students in. that is in defiance of last month's executive order of ron desantis.
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back on the panel, bean obeidallah, you want to you know, i already like turkey bacon. i wonder what your thought is on the florida situation as a native floridian. i'm stunned by it, but one of the producered pointed out that officials in orlando are asking residents to cut back on watering their lawns, and the reason is because a check cal that is used to treat the water that is potable water in around is also using it to used for liquid oxygen. so they are asking people who use orlando ewe at this timety to cut back on the water usage, particularly lawn watering. that is such a gut punch. i don't know what to say. >> is this the united states of america? this is where we are right now,
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and ron desantis has threatened to defund schools when the schools want kids to wear a mask to protect the kids based on science. the american academy of pediatrics want to protect the kids and students, and what was ron desantis say? he said freedom. freedom. that's not science. unless it's doctor freedom. this is ridiculous. the teachers in the school just want to help the kids. ron desantis wants to run for president in 2024. think how heart breaking it is for the people in florida to see it now, the spike in hospitalizations. kids at risk and now they're going to defund the schools. and i there should be a special place in hell or prison for the officials who put their political careers over the health of our children, period,
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that sit. >> what about the fact this is playing out in schools? huh a piece on the pbs news hour about a delate in louden county, and the fight over critical race theory. for those playing the home game is not caught in any of your schools because it's a graduate level law school class. but schools are the battle ground for so many cultural fights right now. >> it's interesting right now n the loudon county, critical race theory that is not taught in schools, and one about whether a recently teach her to call a trans student by their preferred pronouns and there was a mask fight, and a lot of the same
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groups on the same sides of the fights. we're having, as a country, a public health conversation in a culture war cage match, and public health experts have been saying this is about science, this is about facts and protecting the american people, and a lot of the issues became politicalized and they continue to be political issues and people feel they have to make a choice between exercising what they want to be their personal freedoms or respecting and understanding public health guidance for good. and we would be through the pandemic sooner in. that is what the science is telling us. schools right now are one of the battle grounds and it's playing out right now in a number of communities. you see the divides in the military and health care workers, still a number who have not yet been vaccinated.
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i don't think it's surprising that the same places where a lot of emotions come out, people care about their kids, think think the parents should have a wait to say what happens to children, that emotions can run high, schools are starting back up, so that is where you see the battle right now. it's not unique to schools though. >> how do we move forward? i have to apologize, i don't think i gave you due when you made the crack about the face eating leopard that went vegan. i don't know that i saw it until we tweeted it. i need more coffee. i apologize. but i did want to ask you how we move forward from here. new york for example has begun setting up the vaccine mandate for indoor venues, gyms, entertainment venues. they will start enforcement in
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september. i wonder how you feel about easing people do it? it's like the debate is over in terms of vaccines and masks and now it's a matter of ushering people in the same direction. >> i'm not interested in easing anyone. and it's been a year and a half. and 900,000 americans, it's not like we just discovered covid, and the majority are for vaccines and masks. i'm not interested in coddling those individuals who have becomrade calized by the right wing media ecosystem, and the hypocrisy, all the individuals are vaccinated. they don't have a courage to full through. tucker is vaccinated. ted cruz is against all mandates is sending his children to a private school where there are mask mandates but they are
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willing to make our children canaries and just like ron desantis to get on fox news and win elections. i'm tired with it. most americans are done with it. you need vaccine mandates, and kaiser did a study what are the top three reasons for become vaccinated in. they see other people in the community do it. they see people get vaccinated without side effects, and if they lose privileges they want to do. you implement vaccine mandates in schools and football stadiums and basketball stadiums, i guarantee you people who have the freedom to take the vaccine or to choose cow and horse medication and poison themselves, i think we will get enough of them there. but the last thing, i'm afraid we have lost a significant minority in the country that has been radicalized by the right wing movement. but no matter what we say, no
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hatter how much death hovers in their home, they will choose death. >> if you're watching right now and you're on fence about getting vaccinated. i have been vaccinated. and zero side effects. the first night, i was extra sleepy. that is it. you can go to vaccines gov. you can go to plan your ask your doctor. you can hang on to the convictions that you tell other people. do it for yourself. not a soul needs to know. >> and we're all alive on the panel. >> every single one of us. it's been a pleasure being alive and well and live on television. everyone, good to see you, thanks very much. coming up, r kelly has faced sexual abuse allegations for two decades. now one of his accusers is the first to take the stand against him. what we learn from the first week of his trial, next.
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the federal vile against icon r kelly get ban this week in brooklyn. the goal is to portray him as a predator. wednesday, the first of his accusers, jerhonda pace took the stand. she described the relationship in 2016 when she was 16 years old. r kelly is facing five charges in new york, he denies any wrong doing and is pleading not guilty. he was aquited of child pornography charges in 2008. joining me is katie phang. i wonder if we can start about the challenges, racketeering and
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the mann act. what does that involve? >> yeah, interestingly, we see the prosecution in the case using a charge of racketeering. usually when you hear rack teerg, we think about the mafia. the idea there is a mob. but it's actually pretty apropos against r. kelly. there is an idea that it involved his business managers, body guards and assistants and an idea of trafficking and under gauge girl to be able to further the purpose of r. kelly's sexual interactions and conduct with the young girls. now, the mann act, is a federal statute. we actually hard it recently, talking about joel greenberg and matt gaetz as well. the idea of transporting someone
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across state lines for purmss of prostitution and those are charges he is facing in federal court in brooklyn, and there are charges in federal court in illinois and facing state charges and illinois and also facing charges in minnesota. it's not just brooklyn. he has to get through other jurisdictions as well after the trial has concluded. >> we're still early in the trial, but what do you make of the arguments the prosecution and defense has laid out? >> the prosecution is going to call a parade of witnesses, all of whom were under age or close to under age when they had intersxs, sexual in nature, and a girl was 16 years old. she did sue civilly, and the defense of the case says they are grifter, they want to be able to make money and say they are disgruntled fans, like crazy
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super fans of r. kelly. but as a former prosecutor myself, there is so much truth to that old adage, where there's smoke, there's fire, and we're going to hear from al least 14 victims against r. kelly when it comes to similar conduct, the similar m.o.s that were at plate with r. kelly. we heard in fr one of the managers who testified in immunity, and he told the jury he bribed an official in cook county, illinois, to forge a marriage license to aleah, and r. kelly was the first executive album, and the title of the album, "age ain't nothing but a number," and the number may be high if he gets convicted and sent to pricen.
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>> that is what i'm wondering, the number of years he can face. i wonder if that is why prosecutors are trying to go after him with something as broad as racketeering as oppose tods say putting him away on one count of having sex with with a minor. it sounds like they are trying to make a case there is a much larger criminal conspiracy going on that merits him being in prison longer, rather than bringing up one young woman who can prove they had a relationship. >> when r. kelly was acquitted in 2008, it was basically for one victim. she refused to testify, and she was acquitted. not only the parade of victims in the case, so there is strength in numbers for the prosecution, but the presentation of a lot of video evidence, graphic video evidence. i would be stunned if he is able
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to pull off an acquittal in the case. and he has other trials and other jurisdictions and other counts. so i don't think he's going to be able to get away with it this time. and it's been a long time coming, decades in the making and the trial should be about a month long. >> what about one aspect the new york times reported, they might try to go after r. kelly partly by having a number of his -- the people testifying against him, his accusers say, they had unprotected sex with him and he did not warn him that he was positive for a sexually transmitted infection, specifically he had herpes. how does that factor? >> well, the jury heard. a doctor testified that he was diagnosed with herpes, and that
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is the same sexually transmitted disease that a number of victims did not know they had, and it was after they had sexual intercourse with r. kelly. again, it's an idea there is a causal effect, r. kelly caused this. now, if you're the prosecution, you are trying to convince the jury that r. kelly is a bad guy, and it includes him given a sexually transmitted disease to a young under age girl. and the women ended up being diagnosed with an std. it's a barb in the case right now. >> what about the possible strategy for the defense? do you think that r. kelly will take the stand? >> no. we saw he did an interview, and i apologize -- >> the gayle king. >> yeah, and she kept saying, robert, robert -- >> yeah, and he did not want to
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listen. we have seen, he can't compos himself or or handle himself in that type of interview, there is no way you put something like that on the stand. there are no guarantees he would be able to come across in a way that a jury would like, he has a lot of that, and i would never put them on the stand if he was my client. >> katie phang, we appreciate talking it through with you. coming up, flight aten dents put up a lot of bad behavior, in some are prepared to handle it in more assertive ways. that is just ahead. stay close. how much money can liberty mutual save you? one! two! three! four! five! 72,807! 72,808... dollars.
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course. the trainers, air marshalls who are not always on a flight, teaching to target a face, chest and groin as the faa reports a stunning 3900 cases of unruly behavior just this year. passengers drunk or angry about the mask mandate, attacking and injuries crew chebs and facing fines up to $45,000 each, totalling $1 million this year. >> this is pervasive. it's something we have to take very, very seriously. >> d.c. based flight attendant linda signed up. most people don't go to the police academy. are you surprised? >> well, the world has gone a little crazy. so i'm note absolutely surprised
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but i guess i want to be able to protect myself. >> the course taught since 9/11 but suspended since the pandemic, now in tie demand. air marshal ron pfeiffer teaches the clock. >> we teach block techniques to protect face and vital organs of the body. >> hands and self-defense, and just, pivot, bring it back, turn, making sure you bring the hand back to your your face. >> protecting themselves a 30,000 feet. >> sadly, i cannot say that i blame them. that is nbc's tom costello reporting. it's easy to look at the taliban surge as a win and a loss. are you sur you know what game we're playing? another way to think of the fight for freedom before we go. whooping cough.
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about the taliban? the key might lie in changing our approach. i they about it this week after i saw a video clip that really startled me. aulie tell you is that the video is real. it's not a trick. take a look at what we can what these days with robots. if that made you feel a little impressed and unnerved. these are bought itself are the latest innovation from boston dynamics. the robot's name is atlas. 5 feet tall nearly 220 pound with high drawl ilg joints. hydraulics said this was the first time they nailed this
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routine. teaching them goes a long way in performing all kind of moves. like dancing. last year the various robots danced to the motown classic "do you love me?" i think it proves some people need more black friend. that's not the point. the point is, seeing machines act in complex ways can be pretty jarring. we know why. it kind of makes you wonder what the future holds and if you and i have anything to say next. listen to why why the researchers say why this project appeals to him. >> it's extremely hard. it's very rewarding. i wouldn't want to be somewhere, where i'm not working on a super hard problem that nobody else is working on. sow know, that's the opportunity that we get to do here every day. >> he makes a good point. there is something fulfilling and energizing about a long-term challenge than a task be a clear ending. the trick the to see it where it
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is. every heard of infinite gains? the term may sound like nonsense. it's one you should know. the nyu late professor wrote about it. simon cynics writes about it now. take basketball. you know the court, the shape of the court, the rules of the game, loupg it will last and how to determine who won at the end. that all makes basketball a finite game. no players, no rules, clear outcome, winners and losers. then there are infinite games. they could have unknown players. the rules could change if anyone agrees on them at all and the objective is to stay in the game to keep going. there are many kind of infinite games. business is an infifit game. you can't win business. ed a advanced robotices is an infinite game, too. so is war. if there is one thing we know about the militia groups in afghanistan they absolutely play
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with an infinite mindset. how can they do anything else? controlling people's lives through a religious government is not something you cross off a to-do list. that is life. that's why they were determined to outlast the u.s. not just because we agreed to leave. they were determined to stay and fight whether we left or not. the u.s. war in afghanistan was a few night endeavor, stop al qaeda, come home. it's an infinite endeavor. when you play a few night player against an infinite player thefy nate player drops out. if it feels the u.s. had won the war before it lost the war, then you just explained to yourself why wars are not finite. now, perhaps the united states need to change its game to adopt a more infinite mindset. that's the good news, we already have that mindset and we have for a very long time. even if we don't always act like
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it. democracy, building a more perfect union. that is our infinite game. remember the gettysburg address. you remember, four score and seven years ago, our forefathers fought on this nation, conceived under the proposition that all men are create equal. now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing that nation or any so dedicated can long endure. unquote. did you catch that? the war was about proving the united states could endure. president lynn son said that was the way to honor those that died, that government of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from the earth. unquote. that is the infinite game in a nut shshell. there are many ways to fight the taliban. but the surest way to lose is to play the wrong game.
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to be clear, i'm not saying we should have boots on the ground fighting in afghanistan with noened in sight. because advancing freedom is not just the military's job. their departure is not the last chanter of this story. there is no last chapter. there is much more to write and many ways to write it. which brings me back to those robots. they are learning how to imitate humans. that does not mean we humans are obsolete. in fact, we might be more necessary than ever, especially to this little guy. have you seen him yet? this is groot from the guardians of the galaxy. this week the "new york times" reported on it's up-close look at disney's latest imitation. robots that can interact with people. some of the audio an matronics have been showing their age. it means nothing unless people apply creativity and persistence for as long as it takes. look, we may not be able to
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predict the future. we can produce that future. even if it's a future we do not live to see. many earthquake is in the infinite game by design, founded on an idea. we have been playing long before the taliban. let's see what we as a nation learn from this that keeps us in the game an forces them to drop out. and with that said, we'd love to hear from you. what infinite game are you playing to help shape the future e-mail as@theweek under score msnbc. be sure to put your name and where youly and we'll share some of your stories tomorrow night. until we meet again, i'm joshua thompson, thanks for making time for us. good fight.
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