tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC August 25, 2021 12:00am-1:00am PDT
>> tonight all on in. as a pandemic spikes in states like south dakota, florida the cruel irony of republican leaders fearmongering over foreigners as coronavirus runs wild. >> this is a dangerous part of the world, we know that we have a lot of dangerous people there that want to do the united states harm. >> plus, joe biden actually ending america's forever war. then why today's a big day for the biden agenda in congress could be key for democrats to hold power. and why this version of the california recall could be even worse than the last. >> gary coleman, porn stars. >> all in starts right now. good evening from new york i'm
chris hayes, i have to say it has been remarkable, truly to watch the split screen of the two big stories happening right now in america. on the eve of the 20th anniversary of september 11th. on one side of course afghanistan fall to the taliban, united states attempt to evacuate americans and afghan refugees in a chaotic, a cluster. on the other, we are 18 months into the pandemic and seeing another summer surge that is now taking the lives of about 1000 people per day. and i cannot help but contrast the two, think about the two next to each other. juxtapose them. you don't have to look very far in a two fine dire warnings about the situation in afghanistan, there's the humanitarian aspect, but there are dire warnings from people that the security aspect. afghanistan provides a useful reminder that while we and our european allies might be tired of forever wars the taliban are not tired of wars at all.
nor al-qaeda and other groups that may make afghanistan their home again in the future. more up to the point, even if we are not interested in any of these nations and the brutal politics, they are interested in us. okay. fair enough. the idea that al-qaeda reconstituting in afghanistan does not sound good, it sounds quite bad. but let's remember how we got here. 20 years later. the generation of americans who lived through 9/11, were so shocked and traumatized by that day, by the mass murder and spectacular fashion of 3000 of our fellow citizens. the country lost its mind for while. under the leadership of the bush administration and rooted on by fox news, and lots of mainstream media, and on tv, we as a nation, collectively, our government with our consent did a bunch of awful things we should've done, most notably, invading iraq, torturing people. opening guantánamo bay, which
remains open with prisoners still there, still no real process for them. those 3000 deaths, 3000 americans murdered, and utterly horrific tragedy, were seen by large everywhere as an existential threat to everything america was. we changed the way we lived, we change the way we travel, we started taking our shoes off the airport, we opened a new ginormous cabinet agency, the department of homeland security. we spent trillions, and trillions, and trillions of dollars on the military. huge amounts flowing to defense contractors who have had a good few decades. we sent hundreds of thousands of american troops around the world, we engaged in warfare in dozens of countries, drone kills in dozens of countries. created a global architecture to wage war whenever we want it at any point in any country, all in an open-ended war on terror that is going to enter its third decade, even after we
leave afghanistan. i was 22, around then, and i remember the saying was that this changes everything. never forget. this is a turning point in history, a hinge. anyone who was not on board was accused of being soft on terror, or siding with the terrorist. being a traitor, a fifth column as andrew sullivan very famously said. here's the thing, to think about as i sit here talking to you, this august 2021, we are going to lose and 9/11's worth of americans this week, in the next three days in this pandemic. and probably in the three days after that. we've already lost more than 630,000 americans. just look at the difference and the risk assessment, the more crisis between that one act of mass murder and its aftermath in the ongoing terror of this virus. you can see it in a single
republican politician. here is kristi noem, the governor of south dakota. here she is warding about the possible danger of afghan refugees come into the united states. >> this is a dangerous part of the world, we know that we have a lot of dangerous people there that want to do the united states harm, and they should not be coming to the united states unless we know for sure that they are an ally and friend and don't wish to destroy this country. >> the afghan refugees should not be coming unless we know they do not wish to destroy this country, these dangerous people from this dangerous part of the world. you know who governor kristi noem did allow interstate a few days ago? hundreds of thousands of people on motorcycle from across the country for the annual sturgis motorcycle rally. many of whom are probably unvaccinated. in concrete terms, life or death terms, what do you think is actually more of a risk to south dakota right now? to your average south dakota and? afghan refugees who by the way
have gone through an odor and vetting process, get a special visa or the virus? what do you think? let's take a look. so for the virus it has killed 2000 south dakota's, south dakota has the two top counties in the country with the fastest outbreaks so far. meade county and lawrence county. meade county is the home of a small city called sturgis, and you may remember that we reported on this on what would happen if thousands and thousands of people descended upon sturgis. today is the first in the annual motorcycle rally in sturgis, south dakota. despite rising covid cases, 700 people are expected to attend. last year, nearly half 1 million people said to hell with masking and social distancing, they made the trip to sturgis, and sturgis ended up being the most catastrophic pandemic event of the year. the cdc said it had many
characteristics of a super spreading event. so here we are again, like clockwork, it's been nine days since the end of the rally, cases are spiking. you might think governor kristi noem would have learned her lesson, but sturgis went ahead this month. you can see your picture here riding a horse through the town. meanwhile kristi noem, and a lot of conservatives, want to talk about the danger of brown people and muslims who don't look like, us who wear different clothing. these are terrified, it desperate people, many of whom shed blood or risk their lives, on behalf of american interests, now seeking freedom and safety in this country. those people are dangerous, she says. freedom, freedom, freedom. i guarantee you, guarantee you there will be more south dakotas killed by this virus and have ever been killed by
refugees, or ever been killed by members of al-qaeda or the taliban. guaranteed. that doesn't matter to people like governor kristi noem as they whip up their frenzy, the impure fifth column, people from other places coming to defile america, etc. the ideological concept of 20 years of the war on terror, that notion, that fear, that assessment of the risk. all the while we allow americas health infrastructure, not to mention our information in a structure to deteriorate which has brought us to the situation we are not in. we have more vaccines than anyone else in the world and we can't get people to take them. one of the attendees esther just told the daily beast not only is he not vaccinated, but no one he knows is either. i mean the politics are essentially like being a pro al-qaeda caucus in america politics, one of the two major parties is running on the platform. yeah, they have a point.
kristi noem it's probably the worst governor on this topic, she also made it clear that she wants to run as the president. >> we have a republican governors in this country pretending they didn't shut down their states. that they didn't close their beaches. that they didn't mandate masks. that they didn't issue sheltering places, i'm not picking fights with republican governors, but i'm saying that we need leaders with great. that their first instinct is to make the right decision,. that they don't backtrack and then try to fool you into the fact that they never made the wrong decision. >> yes, that's gonna be the angle, that is the lane just picked. that's why she's running a horseback in sturgis, she's trying to make who lugs covid the most for republican presidential nomination. which is why you have other republicans who want to run for presidents. they're watching over their shoulder. now, more people are dying per
day from covid right now in florida than any other point of the pandemic. a fact that i can't even quite believe. but it is true. there it is. we showed you this data last night. instead of focusing on the very real crisis, again, politics aside, this is a problem for florida, governor ron desantis half spin picking fights with joe biden writing about the -- 2500 floridians have died so far just this month, 2500, that is almost a 9/11's worth. on some level the seems to be falling apart politically, as we've said many times on this program, people don't want to die of covid, they don't want to get sick from covid they want to be kept safety want their leaders to take the, stretch to their safety seriously, covid continues to be the biggest threat americans face. i mean, statistically it is. with the leading cause of death.
a new poll finds a 73% of floridians think that the spread of covid is serious. 25% say that it is out of control. 60% say that they support mask requirements something that governor desantis has banned. 46% say that desantis is hurting to stop the spread of the virus. several school districts are defying the governor's ban, they are requiring masks. in palm beach county dozens of doctors staged a symbolic demonstration yesterday, they did not of course walk out on any patients but they did come out to raise awareness, express their frustration with the surge in unvaccinated patients. one of those doctors is leslie diaz, infectious disease specialist to palm beach medical center. the medical director of found care, community health center county, and lucy advise geller is a member of the school board in miami, she voted in favor of the mask mandate and defiance of desantis and they both join me now.
doctor diaz, let me start with you, and ask what you are seeing there and where you are at? what you are thinking and feeling, and where your colleagues are at during this awful summer that you are having there in florida? >> thank you, chris for having me here, it is a pleasure being here. the way that i can describe it is that every day, you walk into the er and it's like a war zone. there are patients everywhere in the hallways, etc, and you're trying to move the patients to the floor, not fast enough, they come in faster then you can move, and it is very very taxing on all the health care providers and it is tiring, world tired. we've been doing this since the beginning of july, it doesn't seem to want to stop. >> what has been your
experience in terms of the level of vaccination and the patients you're treating, and when you talk about hospital workers, i started the show talking about 9/11 of course this active mass murder that we all wash, you hospital workers are seeing with this virus is doing a close every day and away most americans are not and i wonder if you think that there is a disconnect when you go out into the world and how people perceive what is happening? >> there is definitely a disconnect no question about it and that's one of my biggest concerns that it is very chaotic on a daily basis, when you walk out in public, in the supermarkets, it's like nothing is happening, and in reality, we have a crisis, we have a crisis there and we've been having a crisis since the beginning of july and it could've been all avoided if there would've been more mass vaccinations in this state, and
that's what we are trying to put out the were there to try to advocate for that. now that we have a vaccine that is fully approved, take advantage of that and just stop the madness. >> lucy a, you're on the school board in miami, what is your plan for masking and precautions for safe in person schooling this fall, and what does it mean in terms of the collision course that you might be on with the governor? >> thank you, chris. i'm very proud of my colleagues on the board, a majority voted for masks. the plan is really narrowly tailored to make sure that we are revisiting, that we're following the science and that we are keeping in mind current conditions, but right now in doing that, in following the science we know that the best plan is to keep our students safe by the mask mandate and truly the governor and his executive orders, they're very dangerous right now and it is something that now seven
counties throughout the state of florida are acknowledging and are fighting back, and so we hope to continue, it's in the hands of the court and we are going to make a plan for to make sure that our kids are safe as we should be. it's been, i've been watching this sort of politics and public pinion sentiment on this. changing over time, or at least coming to a head in florida. do you feel you have the support of your community, of parents there, for what you are doing? in terms of staring on the governor? >> absolutely. the number of calls, emails, texts that we are receiving, first asking for the mask mandate, but now thanking us, we see it especially in the last few days. we've had an amazing opening of schools, the children they are comfortable with the masks, and our parents are happy to see are 100% return to school, because at the end of the day,
that's where students should be. and the masks allow us to teach our kids in person as they should be. >> doctor, what is the next week of this look like for you? how are you thinking about the way out of this? we have seen even the most horrific outbreaks, more than anywhere in the, world maybe india, with this variant, the delta variant, in a country with a lower per capita gdp and not vaccinated hardly at, all even that outbreak came to a close after doing horrific damage. how do you think about that timeline? and what do you want to see from public officials? >> it can't come fast enough. i think that putting things in place, that our basic, like mask mandates, and social distancing, and avoiding group gatherings, i think we have to go back to that.
there's no other way of doing this. first and foremost, vaccination, the process of vaccination has to be ramped up. one way or another. this is the only way, the most reliable tool, that will sufficient tool, that we have so far, better than any medication, any protocol that we have, that we used to treat these patients. we must focus on prevention. and that is where the next phase should lie. >> doctor, thank you both, that was really illuminating. i appreciate. >> thank you chris. >> right now, the deadline to withdraw troops in afghanistan is august 31st. that is one week from today. the president is facing increasing pressure to extend that deadline, over concerns for the people who still need to be evacuated. president biden's response in what it means by ending this 20-year war. after this. 20-year war. after this after this and our customers rated us #1 for network quality after this
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well. today president biden reaffirmed his commitment to the deadline, touting the amount of people the administration has managed to get out,. >> as of this afternoon we've helped evacuate 70,700 people since august 14th. 75, 000, 900 people since the end of july. just in the past 12 hours, another 19 u.s. military flights, 18 c-17s, in one c-130, carrying approximately 6400 evacuees, and 31 coalition flights, carrying 5600 people have left kabul. just in the last 12 hours. total of 50 more flights, 12,000 more people, since i updated you this morning. >> and has been a remarkable logistic accomplishment the last few, days joe biden giving his third speech on afghanistan in less than a week. unwavering we should say in his stance, that after 20 years of,
this the longest where the country's history, the u.s. is leaving. that is that we can all see the end of the story. -- investigative journalist, in his new, book reign of terror, how the 9/11 era destabilize america and produce trump. it's so good i spent my vacation reading, and i cannot recommend it highly enough. he's gonna be on the podcast next, week he joins me now. great to have you. spencer >> thanks chris. >> i have a lot of complicated feelings is i imagine you, do about this moment, but one thing that has been interesting, is to watch biden's determination here. you could feel it cushioned pressure growing, to extend the deadline, to stay a little longer, maybe send more troops in. and i was, i didn't know what he was going to say today, how do you read what was happening, in this sort of focus on actually doing the thing, and getting out? >> i think it goes back to 2009,
when biden was president bombers vice president. and was a very lonely voice in the obama cabinet. against escalation in afghanistan. and among the things biden would know, to president obama, is that none of these simple generals, admiral's, security people who stay there, the surge in afghanistan, any plausible way of connecting what's the purpose of the surge would be, which will be giving the taliban a bloody. nose to both resolving the war in afghanistan, and as well, to fighting al-qaeda. which was the original purpose of this whole thing. biden has indicated that. and although he wasn't arguing, this as i would prefer peripheral and mission of the war on terror, even full withdrawal from afghanistan in 2000 a, he was the alternative. and he watched as obama
rejected his advice, and escalated to know, except a few tile and extremely bloody, inconclusive outcome. i think that probably hovers in the background. as he considered throughout this year, following through on the withdrawal. >> i was thinking about your book, in the early part of the war that's in, it in the cia director, william burns, is a fairly legendary figure in foreign policy intelligent circles, and he held a secret meeting in kabul with salmon leader today. and the fact that 20 years ago, there were back channels, from the taliban, opening up the possibility of some negotiated settlement in which they might kick osama bin laden out of the country or turn him over. and that is seen like ridiculous and obviously you can't negotiate with these people, in here we are 20 years later in the u.s. cia director
is face to face with the taliban official negotiator. >> they've recognize that the taliban is a fact. they've really done everything they could, over the last 20, years to avoid that. in very belatedly came to the conclusion that the taliban cannot be ignored. the taliban in particular right now will become the government of afghanistan, in what you heard from biden as well today, sounded to me like the likeliest message. that burns was delivering, which is that what the taliban does between now and august 31st, determines with the international communities, posture toward the taliban will be, at least with the u.s. says its allies, the elements of the international community that it controls. this is a circumstance, that put me in mines, of some of the people i've interviewed over
the years. to the taliban. who have negotiated with them. in uniformly, they report that, among the impressions they get of the taliban, is that the taliban considered its international isolation, ahead of the 2001 invasion, to be one of its most catastrophic errors, that that was a major factor, behind what's -- i imagine that was a point that he really drove home today. that that posture is in the taliban's hands right now. . finally i'd like to ask you a question that i asked chris murphy last night. there is ways of seeing this, as a huge logistical miscalculation by the biden administration, where they refused to see what's in front of their face, or they didn't care about the allies, or the refugees, are the people that are being hunted by the taliban once it fell. and then there's another view, which is like, this is essentially the chaos that comes from the end of a failed
war. what do you think? >> i think this is both things at once. the biden administration, wasted a lot of time, deciding that it was going to shift posture, in the beginning, months of this year, remember august 31st is not a deadline negotiated with the taliban. it's a deadline that the biden administration imposed on itself. the actually deadline that the u.s. negotiated with the taliban, was from may 1st. for a full withdrawal. instead the administration shifted to a plaster of brokering a peace process, even while itself was -- that failed. that ultimately wasted a lot of time. in the wasting of time here, is measured in real peoples lives. as we can see at the airport. what more was lost in december 2001, the war was lost when the united states decided that it would do a traditional
surrender. >> spencer ackerman, whose new excellent book reign of terror is out now, you should absolutely pick it up. i've learned so much from reading it and i can't wait to talk to you about, it on our podcast. why is this happening. thank you. spencer >> thank you. >> coming, up house democrats and the standoff delivering the biden agenda, crucial victory today, why the small group of democrats who tried to take, it could be undermining their own midterm political prospects, next. l prospects, next next here. new aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them too soon. kick pain in the aspercreme. it's time for the biggest sale of the year, on the new sleep number 360 smart bed. it helps keep you effortlessly comfortable by sensing your don't thank them too soon. movements and automatically responding to both of you. and, it's temperature balancing to help you stay comfortable all night. it even tracks your circadian rhythm, so you know when you're at your best. in other words, it's the most energy-building, wellness-boosting, parent-powering, proven quality night's sleep we've ever made.
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that the president can take credit for. so he'll kapoor covered the budget fight, and donna edwards is a former democratic congresswoman from maryland and washing columbia -- columnist. and both join me now. let me start with you donna, i thought your piece was interesting and you've experienced this. you have this caucus that said we don't want to do the big budget thing, we just want the bipartisan dean, we wanted to stand on its own, we don't like the budget framework and all the things that are in there, but in doing so it seems to me that there's real political risk they run for themselves and for the party at large. >> well, let's be clear, the proposal that is before the congress, their reconciliation and the infrastructure package are the presidents agenda, it happens that it is a progressive agenda, but it is joe biden's agenda.
by trying to distance themselves, or separate themselves from the presidents agenda, it's, you know, like the kiss of death going into a midterm election. >> right. >> it was hard to understand, what were they shooting for. and i always thought that it was doomed anyway because nine moderate democrats was not gonna hold up nancy pelosi from delivering her entire caucus. it really, you know, maybe it was a play for headlines, but it wasn't a play that would actually ever seek fruition. >> although there is nothing settled yet, right? this is a complicated thing to pull off, just to remind people, they have this two track, and then there's the reconciliation bill with a larger biden agenda that has climate, care infrastructure, a ton of stuff in it. trying to do both of those, they have a very thin majority in the senate. sahil, what i thought was
interesting, as someone who has covered the dynamics for 15 years now, it does seem to me like that caucus, the moderates, the so-called moderates, the centrist, are holding fewer cards than they used to, or the sort of wait of the caucus has shifted a little bit. what do you think? >> that is absolutely true, chris. back to 2009 and 2010, when i first moved to d.c. and started covering congress, it was the moderate blue dot coalition that called the shots. they made, they extracted serious scalps on the aca, day for speaker pelosi to dial things back. they made demands and cave and went along. now is very different, this whole dynamic exist because months ago progressive did the whipping they needed and secure the -- they say that these two bills need to side by side, or else they won't pass. progressives, despite this september 27th deadline that speaker pelosi put on the table to pass the infrastructure bill, i spoke to several members of the progressive caucus
including some members of the squad who said that they were not prepared to vote yes on the infrastructure bill on september 27th unless reconciliation is that a good place. that is a key dynamic your, chris, that the moderates got the concession they want to speed up the timeline but at the end of the day progressive still hold leverage in terms of shaping this. and that is ultimately the play. it's all about leverage to shape the reconciliation bill, the infrastructure bill is hanging, the progressives have more leverage if the infrastructure bill is done and dusted, past, and the moderates get to call the plays and potentially shrink or block this thing entirely. >> that is why this is so delicate in the political sense, i was going back to approval ratings, donna edwards, of trump and he hits his low and december that first year when aca appeals failed twice and then they're trying to pass the big tax bill, and it's not very popular. but crucially once they pass it and signed it his approval rating comes up, because there's a certain thing that
success is popular, particularly within your own party, and i really do think that the big political objective of the democrats is do what you can to make sure joe biden is successful. that may sound like overly reductive, but it is just a narrow analytical sense, i feel like it is the truth. >> that is exactly what the play is. what is really interesting here is that if democrats really can get this done in the early fall, that means that all democrats and the president are able to run on this victory for a full year going into the november elections. it also means that you have a building season coming, it a construction season coming in the spring, where all of the projects are going to come to fruition, people are gonna start to see in their paychecks a difference that eye makes for them. that is a real agenda to run on and it's one to win on. >> yeah and, sahil, i have to
say, we've been covering this for a long time you and i, in the same window, i don't know if they're gonna pull this off, but if they do it will be one of the most remarkable bits of legislative magic i have ever seen. >> that is true. i think, chris, the fight that tiny narrow democratic majority just agreed to move on this budget bill under president joe biden who a year go no one really thought of as a progressive, that is a remarkable thing in and of itself. when you think about presidential popularity in midterms, here is an interesting bit of history, the last democratic president to win seats in the first midterm election was franklin roosevelt in 1934, there's a reason why he likes to encourage occurrence bears, and what he likes to talk about his agenda as the kind of parallel fdr agenda, because the democrats do have a shot at holding power in 2022, they're gonna have to give voters a very good reason to keep them there. and biden believes, and many
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on top of the austerity, there is the energy crisis, rolling blackouts, people in california were not happy in the state's democratic governor became the call guy for that unhappiness. california is one of about 20 states that allow voters, to recall state officials before the end of their term. you only need enough signatures to trigger a new election in a well funded republican effort got to work. >> forget the unruffled appearance, this is a governor under siege. >> if the people want me to present my credentials again, i do not fear that. >> in fact he has a lot to fear, with more than 1 million signatures collected by his opponents, he is now but certain to become the first governor in california history, to face a recall election. davis reelected just eight months ago says that it's pure politics. >> this agenda was financed by one rich person. >> that rich person, republican congressman, daryl iso, spent more than 1 million dollars of his own money to finance the
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and napa valley restaurant. without masks, or social distancing inside, while california was basically shut down. which was not a great look at all. in the month following the dinner, the recall effort gained 400,000 signatures. the movement started to come together, a unlikely commission -- california's frustrated with pandemic lockdowns. ultimately, the recall effort ended up with 1.7 million signatures. which was a fraction of course of voters in the largest in the union, but more than enough to get on the ballot. and so now the recall is underway. the election is set for september 14th, 46 candidates are on the ballot, including caitlin jenner, former olympian and keeping up with the kardashians, star who left the campaign trail early this year, to appear on a reality show, big brother australia. john cox a republican who lost in newsom head to head by more than 20 points, back in 2018. he toured the state with a life kodiak, bear to generate publicity this time around. and then there's this, guy larry elder.
he's a longtime right-wing radio host in california, believes the minimum wage should be zero, called roe v. wade one of the worst decisions in supreme court history, and is currently the front runner, to replace governor newsom, as the head of the largest state of the country. and because of this bizarre process, the guy who won the governorship, by nearly 3 million, votes could end up with 49.9% of the state supporting him, and still lose to whomever gets a small perrella among the 46 people running to replace him. this man is the architect of -- two successful runs for. white house is now a resident of the great state of california areas in front row seat to all. i want to start, david with how utterly insane, the structure of this process is. which i really cannot state enough. you get 1.7 million signatures, which is not easy to get. there are some kind of, it's not an easy, thing but you get them, and then there is a recall vote, and then if you recall, it's whoever wins the
paralysis. you can replace him, he could win 20% of the vote, and a low turnout election, and become the next governor of california. , first of all chris, they paid for those signatures. so this is been a well funded effort, by republican donors, listen, there's a lot of states, i think it's up to 20 states that have, recall personally i don't like the recall process anywhere, because gavin newsom's up for reelection next, year so you don't like the jobs, doing that your opportunity to replace him, but this is really now becoming in the last few, weeks a newsom race. any income, i don't care how popular you are, does not want to run any election word solely a referendum. in this is become a choice, and so i do think the more than voters see this, it will definitely accrue to gavin newsom's benefit. the other thing i will say is california's 60 plus 5% fully vaccinated. talking to the newsom campaign, they believe 78% of the actual
voters are going to be vaccinated. would i find fascinating, is that this is going to be the first time we've had a major election, were vaccinations, and masks, and how we've handled the pandemic, in a post vaccination era, is on the ballot. and i think newsom's gain steam in the last couple of weeks, because of, that you saw polls in florida today, showing desantis grossly underwater, on basically every measure. i think this is going to be an interesting, question those who are vaccinated, become kind of a powerful voting group in another themselves. >> the elder i was on his show once, he's like a replacement level right-wing radio host i guess is how i would describe him. it's indistinguishable from a lot of that stuff, i mean i just think that people need to understand, we ran the experiment, with donald trump, where we sucked the guy, who's got takes and calls into fox
news, it was on a reality show and we're like to some governing amidst an incredibly fraught period, and then we got a pandemic, to re-run that? with larry elder just seems obviously catastrophic to me, although maybe i'm missing something. >> this is the world six large kind of me. larry elder, is no arnold schwarzenegger, and california has also changed a lot. it's become much more progressive. so yes, the more that this is seen in the closing weeks here, as a newsom elder race, that will definitely benefit newsom. the other thing i'll say chris, is everybody is a registered voter, has been mailed a ballot already. so there is legitimate concerns about who's got more intensity around turnout. and there's no doubt, quite a bit of intensity against newsom, but i think the fact that everybody has a ballot, the fact that this is turned into a newsom elder race, in the fact that this is really a question for close to 80% of the people, who are going to vote, do you
want to turn the keys over this someone like larry elder? who said and they want to get rid of the mask mandates in school. it would clearly be a disaster on every front. and so the more the stakes are raised in this election, i very much agree with you, what would happen here, that this is not fun and games. this could be catastrophic, i think that will really occur to newsom's benefit. >> what do you think democrats have learned from this process so far, about why newsom is in the situation? >> listen, i think that this is not an off year election. it's a recall election. but whenever you don't have a presidential year election, or traditional congressional election, that can be challenging. for democrats. but i think that you have to play off. this i think the newsom campaign is starting to do a lot more than that, both in terms of defining this is a choice between he and elder, but let's talk about how we've handled the covid pandemic care. let's talk about what i've done, let's talk about welder done, i'd like to see democrats
across the country, i know in your previous segment you are talking about, the economic packages, which you can campaign on that, not just a year or decade, in terms of what's going to come out of, that but i think we have to be much, more aggressive about the pandemic. and prosecute the case. in really look at, there are republicans who i think democrats can convert. maybe just for this election. maybe for the next. one based on how the republicans have mishandled the pandemic. i think this will be another test of. that >> david, in california, all elections are a choice. but the problem with the process out there is, it tenuous the choice. which can lead to a catastrophe. thank you very much for your time tonight. that is all in on this tuesday night, which means the rachel maddow show starts right. now good evening rachel. >> good evening chris, thank you my friend. much appreciated. and thanks don for joining us this. our we have a lot going on tonight. lots of developing news.
over the course of this hour we are going to be talking about the latest of afghanistan of course. where the u.s. evacuation effort is both, at its highest capacity yachts, and it is also now starting to head toward an off ramp. last week, we airport climb from fewer than a thousand people per day at the beginning of the week to over 5,000 per day at the end of the week. last night, we reported that they had evacuated a gigantic number. nearly 11,000 people in one day in the 24 hours from sunday to monday. today the pentagon says the latest number in the latest 24-hour period is they got more than 21,000 people out. 21,000 people evacuated in one day. that means the u.s. air lift out of kabul overall has removed more than 70,000 people from kabul since they started ten days ago which is an astonishing number. but with the president planning to get u.s. troops out ent