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through your veins with an ivermectin chaser. why do you love it so much? we have absolutely no bloody idea. but here's the thing, you weirdos. everyone else, everyone else hates covid. it is ravaging classrooms and hospitals across the nation like in southern illinois where zero icu beds are available. similar shortages are happening all over the south, including in alabama where a man's family said he died after being turned away from 43 hospitals. while in south carolina, 20 children need critical care due to covid-19. you see this beautiful couple? they both died in their 30s from covid, leaving behind five kids, including a newborn daughter. so yeah, the rest of us hate that this is happening. even the pope. the pope hates covid too, and he loves everybody. he also says get vaccinated. you, you republicans seem to be a-okay with covid running wild. and then you came for california. trying to boot a democratic governor from a blue state and
hand it over to the covid candidate. >> i don't believe the science suggests that young people should be vaccinated. i don't believe the science suggests that young people should have to wear masks at school. i'm not sure the science is settled on that at all. young people are not likely to contract the coronavirus and when they do, their symptoms are likely to be mild and they're not likely to be hospitalized and certainly not likely to die. >> if misinformation could kill. it all helps to explain why governor gavin newsom beat the recall effort and by a lot, winning support from more than 60% of the electorate. according to exit polls, the most important issue for voters was the coronavirus. and when asked about the governor's job on covid, 65% said his policies were about right or not strict enough. so republicans, your thirst for covid is why you lost. nobody likes your policies that threaten our safety and our kids. you, you may want covid. you may want toin gest horse
dewormer and attend far too many funerals, but we, we don't. and instead of just saying that or tweeting that or fighting about that, california voted that. it is perhaps the first real tangible proof that your creepy little covid-loving death is not going to work for you at the ballot box. in fact it's political suicide and also apparently talk radio suicide because your covid plan is killing your right-wing hosts. the majority of us americans want things like, i don't know, better infrastructure, good schools, gun reform, jobs and the right to vote. you know what else we want? we want to live. not die from covid. joining me now, david plouffe, former obama campaign manager and jason johnson, professor at morgan state university. david, you're the political guru, not me. i don't know everything about politics, david, but i do know that being the people on the side of covid strikes me as bad
politics. are you surprised that republicans have seemed to embrace covid as the precious and trying to get it into every school building, cruise ship, job place, walmart, texaco, everywhere. they're trying to get it in everywhere. are you surprised that that turns out to be not so great politics? >> joy, sadly nothing surprises me anymore. but yeah, last night the recall is the first test post 2020 of how this may play out. and i know everybody says california is unique, the recall certainly is unique. i hope we never have another one. but if you look at what happened. out here they're called no party preference voters, but they're independents. about 90% of them, so the exit polls suggest newsom won them over 2-1. they believe they won over republicans in the bay area by over 20% and did very well down south. if you're looking at '22, i
think democrats should have a more expansive view of the votes available to them and it's basically the vaccinated. you're not going to get all of them. but when you talk about, hey, you're fishing in a pond of two-thirds as opposed to 54%, 55%, i think you can make progress. and the republicans clearly are going to continue to dig in and dig in and dig in. and i think, you know, ultimately it's a tragedy for the country, it's a tragedy for people, for families, for businesses. but this shows that we can never again have leadership in power who doesn't take something like a pandemic seriously. yeah, i think last night was really, really important and we have to carry some of the lessons from the recall out to the rest of the country. certainly in governors' races where you've had democratic governors doing the right thing, desantis being a good example doing the wrong things, you have to make them pay a price for that. >> indeed. not even taking the pandemic seriously, jason, but seeming to embrace the pandemic and seeming to want to push the pandemic and
make it worse and say we want covid. they seem to want it in their lives and among their kids. this is an incredible pair of maps. look at the screen, everyone. this is a map in which you can see the blue, it's counterintuitive, but the blue on the map on the screen left is where people voted yes, recall governor newsom. on the right side, my screen right, the red down the middle is the covid hot spots. so basically, jason, where people wanted to recall newsom is where's the most covid. give us more, is there a way we can drink it in a kool-aid cup? because we want it. we want it bad and we want this man to get out of our way and we want our covid. it's insane. >> they want their covid, they want their iodine, they want their ivermectin, they want it injected into their rears.
whatever these people want, i don't entirely understand. joy, i am stressing my brain to go back throughout history. i don't know if it's the old republican party, the old democratic party, the wig party, i don't remember a party being successful saying we're for smallpox, we're for scurvy. i don't know that's ever happened. a pox party, yes, all houses, right? i don't think that's a good plan. but here's the caution i have to have about california so people understand. it is incredibly easy to vote in california. they sent mail ballots to everybody, right? there were apps that you could use. there was information available. so, yes, in an equal measure on a neutral playing field, the failure of republicans to address covid should be a huge b. o -- boon for democrats in 2022 but that's only in a state where voting is easy and accessible. it's not the case in florida, not in texas or in georgia. >> that's why they're going to
make it hard. ron desantis may be a sociopath. we don't know what his pathology is, but he's not stupid. and i think that he understands that if he is going to inflict death on schoolchildren, he's going to have to make it real hard for their parents to vote, right? and they're going to do, republicans, anything they can in the states where they for whatever reason these governors love covid. they heart covid. this is how they feel about covid. they want to spread it but also know they can't get re-elected because the majority of people -- this is a california exit poll but i doubt that it's different in any other state. 65% of people in that exit poll said that they believe getting vaccinated is a public health responsibility. only 32% said they believe it's a personal choice. that exit poll also showed people wanted more strict policy, not less strict policy. most people want their lives back. what is the guy's name -- dan crenshaw, republican, says i'm honestly curious why californians wouldn't want some balance in their government. works well in deep blue states
like massachusetts and maryland, both with republican governors. charlie baker and larry hogan are the governors of those states. but david, they're not insane. they're not saying more covid. covid in your schools. they're not -- they're not pushing covid. so the divided government argument in my mind won't work for republicans this time around. do you agree? >> by the way, joy, any republican who's been responsible in the pandemic is at great risk of losing a primary. that's where we are. >> that too. >> yeah. >> so i think that there's a third of the people out here in california who voted for the recall. there's a third of the people who say it should be a personal choice. yes, the republicans are making it harder to vote so that third has more power in general elections. but let's make no mistake, that third or 30%, that hard core maga base, they're going to drive republican politics and, therefore, a big part of our country's dynamic for a very, very long time. and they're not going anywhere. but i think at the end of the day, jason makes a good point
about voting. but i think the other thing to watch carefully, listen, when you're in a swing district or a swing state and you think the race will be 51-49, you've got to scratch and claw for every advantage. one thing to watch is let's look at florida. i think we're not even at 55%, 58% fully vaccinated. but 90% of people over 65 are. so here's people who have been vaccinated. this is true all over the country. you know florida very well, joy. they're safe, they're happy to be vaccinated, they like their kids and their grandkids to be vaccinated. i think you could make some inroads with seniors over this issue. biden did better than hillary did in 2020, but i think now we might have an opportunity. i don't want to overstate it, i'm not saying we're going to win seniors by 20 points. but if you overperform by four or five points, because these are people who are less, i think, sensitive to disinformation because they took the vaccine. even if they had questions, and they are healthy, and they're safe. and so i would watch this very carefully. can democrats overperform with
voters over 65 just by two or three points and that could make an enormous difference in a midterm election. >> jason, you know i'm the biggest florida skeptic when it comes to elections there because they are difficult. we know david knows how to win it because he did it with president obama. florida can be won but it is always close. and that is my question to you, jason. because the democratic party in florida is not exactly always super savvy about these things, right? but there is a case that could be made, it's about also candidate choice, potentially charlie crist is on the ballot or the current agricultural secretary, nikki freed. both of them are very aggressive about making the case about kids and that might be the case that needs to be made. obviously val demings on the senate side of that race, have democrats maybe stumbled upon the right issue and the right candidates to make that case? charlie crist used to be in charge of education in florida in addition to being governor. so if it's about children, that might be a smarter way to play
it. >> i wish i could say that americans in general cared about children, but after parkland, not seeing massive gun control in that state doesn't necessarily lead me to believe if you're not concerned about random maniacs coming in and shooting kids in school, most people aren't going to be as concerned as they need to be about a virus that makes kids sick and possibly be in a hospital and some of them actually dying. i will say this, though, about florida. little marco, sleepy joe, slick willie, there is no worse nickname in politics than ron death santis. it sounds terrible and that is a name that he has earned for himself. if the democrats can turn, and this is what didn't happen in california. if the democrats can make it a referendum on desantis rather than a choice, they might be able to pull it off. you never want a referendum on yourself as the incumbent especially when you fail the way he has. >> david, what do you think
about that strategy? >> well, listen, we have to improve our performance in miami-dade, as you know. that being said, i think it's way too early to give up on florida. first of all, in a presidential race it's too many electoral votes. i think you can piece this together with the right candidates. i think we have some interesting ones. but yeah, i think these governors, legislative leaders who have stood in the way of vaccinations, who belittled covid, who don't want masks in school. here's the thing, we're basically two-thirds of the country in support of mask map dates in schools. so again, they're speaking to their sick, perverted one-third of the country that gets injected by fox news and sinclair and breitbart. listen, i believe today, joy, the only country that has a worse covid outbreak than the united states is mongolia. so if you can't make something of that politically as tragic as that is, maybe you don't deserve to be in politics. and i think one thing, newsom
made this campaign about covid and i think democrats need to make these campaigns. it's not just covid, it's the economy, it's education, it's all the things we care about. >> it's getting your life back and that has always been biden's best issue. it is every democrats' best issue. i've got to go to you on this, jason. the one thing i'm expert in, this happened in trinidad -- do we have the audio? trinidad and tobago's health minister said unfortunately we wasted a lot of time running down this false claim. he rebuked the idea that somebody's cajones were extremely largo in trinidad and tobago because of the vaccine. >> can i just point out how ridiculous -- i tweeted this. no one can ever say disinformation isn't real. they wasted government resources
because of a crazy story nicki minaj told. this is why she lost to cardi b. nobody who cares about their fans, supporters or covid would want to align themselves with tucker carlson, especially against something that's killing more black people. >> tucker carlson wanted to do a deep investigative report on the cajones. >> on swollen something? >> on the swollen cajones. i think he should do that. i want him to go down there like he went to victor orban and talk with that gentleman and find out why it is that his future wife left him and just how large these melones were. i think he should find out. it's an investigative report we need. go and do it, tucker. i know you wanna. jason johnson, let me stop before we get in trouble. still ahead, calling out republican-led states moving ahead with some extreme policies
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justice asked the federal judge to temporarily block the enforcement of that law. meanwhile, in pennsylvania, state republicans in a breath-taking breach of privacy voted wednesday to subpoena governor tom wolf's administration, get this, for detailed records of every registered voter in the state, including personal information like the last four digits of their social security numbers. there's no evidence supporting the baseless claims of voter fraud continuously repeated by these republicans but they're doing that stuff anyway. i'm joined by elie mystal. the trend among conservatives is that you actually don't have any privacy, that privacy doesn't exist. that you only are allowed to do what this one-third of the country wants you to do. if not, they'll sic other citizens on you and in some cases they're getting backed up by none other than the supreme court. your thoughts?
>> yeah, it would be great if we had a federal government that was willing to do a job and do something to stop them. like right now we have an absentee federal government because a couple of democrats, joe manchin, kyrsten sinema, probably a couple of others that are happy not to be named, because they will not use congressional power to stop these states from acting afool. like all of these voter things could be stopped with the for the people act or even for the freedom to vote act, which was just announced yesterday from amy klobuchar. there are ways to stop them through the voting rights act. the abortion laws, yes, the doj is suing. it's a good lawsuit. but joe biden promised a whole of government response. where's the rest of the government? texas is an open revolt from the constitution. there are rights in the constitution that no longer exist in texas. where are the troops? i mean honestly, where are the executive orders?
where's the department of transportation? going in and airlifting people out of texas back to america to protect their rights. there is just more that the federal government could be doing to stop these states from acting out and right now they're not doing it and that's why they continue to act out. >> my friend, what do we do here? a lot of people most vulnerable to this stuff are people of color. an uber driver who happened to be driving and suddenly faces a lawsuit by some rando that decided that they participated in getting a woman to an abortion clinic. i do -- i guess i have the same question for you. do you feel that the whole of government response is lacking here when texas is so renegade? >> i think that we have to acknowledge that is an orchestrated effort. what is happening in texas has become increasingly, joy, kind of like the experimental lab of the right. whatever sticks, they start selling it everywhere else.
this is not astroturf. the fact that just in texas you have -- this is about grassroots. this is astroturf. this is coming from the heritage foundation and the right to life individuals -- organizations, and we have to take a moment and take a step back and say what can movement leaders do, but what can the government do and how can can they intercede. they're doing it with abortion and they need to do much more when it comes to the access to the right to vote. we need to have a frank conversation that the filibuster is preventing a progressive agenda. until we actually pass the for the people act or the freedom to vote act, everything else is going to be at a standstill. they have a mandate from the american population of where they want the future to go. >> elie, the supreme court, which no longer holds the esteem, let's just be blunt, of the american people. there's a new quinnipiac poll showing the approval of the supreme court is now underwater,
37% find it esteemed and 57% disapprove of their job, which is not surprising. this is what justice breyer said, which seems he's completely out to lunch and disconnected from real life. he said the 5-4 decision to allow texas to ban abortion was very bad but not politically motivated. he added we don't trade votes and members of the court have different judicial philosophies. on retirement, he said there are many different considerations but i don't intend to die there on the court. i hope not. maybe the issue is that the supreme court members don't live in the sort of normal world. they're so elite and so closed off from reality that maybe the court is no longer useful to defend our rights. do you agree or disagree? >> there's certainly an aspect where the supreme court justices need to get out there and touch some grass, right, to get out of the ivory tower and put their feet on the ground and actually understand the world they have been living in the whole time.
that's always kind of a problem with these nine kind of minds that try to tell us what the law is from on high. but the other aspect here is what breyer said is what i expect white men to say. at the end of the day, for the people on the supreme court, it's never their rights that are on the chopping right. it's very easy to sit back from an intellectual remove and think, hmm, i wonder what when it's not your life, when it's not your body, when it's not your enfranchisement that is on the chopping block. that's where breyer is beyond out of touch. he's obsolete. he still lives in a world where like him and eight friends on martha's vineyard are the only people that matter. whereas on the ground, things are being taken from people and he can't stop it, won't stop it and won't even call a thing a thing. >> maria teresa, let's talk
about the other sort of out of touch agency. the fbi is getting roasted right now for the larry nassar situation, which we'll talk about later in the show. i also am aware that they did absolutely nothing when it came to brett kavanaugh. he was investigated for like three minutes on allegations, very serious allegations by a former high school mate that he attempted to sexually assault her. the issue they had was that they claimed that the fbi did not have jurisdiction to do anything about it. so there's that issue as well. and i'm worried that some of our agencies are not sort of outfitted to protect us at large. >> well, i think you hit the nail on the head, joy. it's that when you say -- when you have a justice that does not reflect america in values and you don't have an fbi that can actually meet people where they are, you miss a lot of big things. if you contrast what breyer did as compared to sotomayor when it came to the abortion ban, it was very clear. her life experience was able to
create and provide judgment that actually met the world in the 21st century. and that is what probably is lacking in the fbi is looking at their statistics and saying who is at the table making the decisions. because if it was a young woman speaking to another woman, you better believe that woman would have said let's investigate a little further. >> i think sonia sotomayor needs to get the reverence rbg got. i'll give you the last word on this, mtk. i have to get your comments on the weird obsession at fox news over aoc. they're like freaking out because she wore this dress that on the back said "tax the dress." i think they're obsessed with looking at her rear ending. they seem to be staring at her in a very creepy way. >> you get aoc to get a free dinner at $30,000 and says, by the way, tax the rich. she did -- deployed what a program always does, we meet the messenger where they are and meet the audience where they are. she went into that and said tax the rich because this is absurd.
if no one else recognizes this absurdity, i'll point it out to you. just because the dinner was $30,000, speaks to what she was trying to get at. >> she did it. >> and the republican party, look, they recognize that she is smart, she's good looking and at the same time she brings -- >> and she's a girl who wouldn't date them in high school and they're still mad at it. for tonight's moment of joy, start spreading the news. that's right, folks, broadway is back. new york city was electric as some of broadway's biggest shows returned to the stage 18 months after covid forced them to shut down. huge audiences who were required to be masked and fully vaccinated roared with applause as broadway stars surprised them with special messages before the show. >> it took six years to get this on the first time. i'm so glad it didn't take six years to come back. thank you for getting vaccinated and wearing a mask and supporting live theater. >> theater in new york is the life blood and soul of the city.
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bee keepers in 27 states report disappearing honeybees. so far no one knows why. >> during the winter of 2006-2007, bees started disappearing. no one could figure out why. experts coined the term colony collapse when the worker bees needed to sustain a hive just flat-out disappear. the phenomenon continued with 2012 being the worst year yet. now, while bees can be pesky, we actually need them. they pollinate more than a third of the world's crops. though there are many possible reasons for colony collapse, get what one reason the bee population's dwindling might be. yep, you got it, our rapidly warming climate. insects could be totally extinct, prompting what scientists call a catastrophic collapse of nature. so in a sense, bees may be the buzzy little canaries in the coal mine for the whole planet and may also be able to teach us something about how we move forward. we don't have all the answers
for why bees are disappearing, but we do know that what we're doing to planet earth is causing a lot of problems. sea levels are rising, entire states are burning, and heat waves are making it unsafe for many to be outside at all. so let's take a page from the bees. we need to start thinking about this. it's not just climate change or even a climate crisis. but as the threat of a climate collapse. and that collapse looms closer every single day, unless our politicians decide to actually do something about it. i'm joined by jamie margolin, co-founder of zero hour and nbc news meteorologist bill karins. thank you both for being here. bill, i'm going to start with you because the bee thing, i went into a deep worm hole and one of my producers reminded me of it. it's one of those things where i don't like bugs. i famously really don't like bugs, but they are part of our ecosystem. in talking with people who deal with climate change and this is their beat, we've been talking a
lot more about how our terminology isn't good enough. it isn't climate change, change can be good or bad, this is the threat of collapse. i wonder from your point of view as somebody who looks at the way climate works in terms of weather you agree with that? >> yeah, my job at msnbc is to cover the climate emergency. that's what we're calling it now. that's how we've changed our terminology in the last couple of years. it just doesn't sound alarming enough to say global temperature rising or however else these other terms we have. it's an emergency that's happening. you mentioned we can watch nature. i've seen many articles about how the bird migrations are changing, how the beaver dams are going higher up into canada because that's where the ice is melting more so there's a lot of examples like that, joy. yes, i am so glad and so happy that we are done trying to convince all the deniers. we spent two decades doing that, wasting time. and now we're actually trying to do something. some of president biden's
initiatives are so aggressive, but they're so needed. >> yeah, absolutely. and i will just point out some of the things that are in this reconciliation bill. this is the $3.5 trillion bill. clean electricity payment program, clean energy manufacturing, federal procurement of energy efficient materials, like electric cars for the federal fleet, climate research, environmental justice investments. the cost of doing it versus the cost of not doing it, climate events could cost us $98.9 billion, that's just 2020 numbers and it could cost $1.98 trillion from 1980 through this year. jamie, you're only 19 years old but your demographic is the one that's the most concerned generally about climate change. i hear more about climate from my kids, who are in their early 20s, and from people your age than we do from anyone else. here's a poll about anxiety. 59% are very or extremely worried about climate change.
50% feel sad, anxious, angry, powerless, helpless, guilty. 45% say feelings about climate change negatively affect their daily life. talk about how this looks from your point of view. >> the way this emergency looks from my point of view and the point of view of my generation is as an avoidable -- as a could have been avoidable catastrophe and we see it looming closer and closer. a lot of my friends are terrified about planning to have kids or to have families. how can i bring someone into this world. you were talking about collapse and there's a general sadness. i feel like climate anxiety isn't the right word. i was speaking with other people in the movement. i'm 19 now but i've been in the climate movement since i was 14, so i've been in this fighting for climate justice for a long time since 2016 since i was a freshman in high school and now i'm a sophomore in college. throughout all of this time the
anxiety of the climate crisis loomed over and was overwhelming not just for me but for everyone i fought alongside. i was talking with them and they said at this point it feels like climate depression and climate hopelessness. anxiety implies fear of a future event when in reality climate is here. so it's like how do we overcome that immense depression of the ecological collapse because of the greed of our leaders and people in power and corporations who would rather have money than good lives for their children. how do we psychologically deal with that. that is difficult for our generation. >> and what would you like to see leaders do? >> well, the first step to getting out of a hole is stop digging. so halting all new fossil fuel infrastructure. halting all fossil fuel subsidies. the government subsidizes the fossil fuel industry. that needs to stop. we need to stop funding our own destruction. there's also a fight that indigenous people and people on the front lines are fighting the
fight to stop line three, which is very similar to the today qu -- dakota pipeline access. another fossil fuel project is being built on indigenous land against their consenting. there needs to be no more fossil fuel projects. but indigenous rights need to be respected. the prosperity and the respect of indigenous communities and the rights of indigenous communities is directly intertwined with climate justice. most of the world's diversity is protected by indigenous people. so also stopping line 3. biden right now if he felt like it could stop line 3. i encourage everyone at home if you're like what do i do about the climate? i don't know what to do. i want to take action. stop line 3. google it. >> you know, bill, as -- we're running out of time but we do know people who are indigenous and people of color in general
are more on the front lines because they'll face the effects earlier. the effects will hit these communities earlier. but the challenge that we have in talking about this on television generally is that people feel like when you're talking about climate, you're talking about taking something away from them. taking away my fancy suv, taking away my steak, taking away whatever. how do we get past that and start having a conversation about what we can do positively? >> you have to learn about it first. when you learn about it -- and she was right, it's kind of depressing. when you see how huge the problem is, all of the greatest countries got powerful off of fossil fuels. so they don't want to go off the fossil fuels. all these nations want to stay powerful, including ours. we want our economy to be robust. we have enough people who are struggling to put food on their plates and roofs on their houses to protect their families. we can't ignore those people. at the same time, we have this looming problem we have to address. biden wants to go from our renewables, right now it's 20%. that's how much of our energy
that you use and i use in our houses from renewables. he wants to go up to 80% in a short period of time and that is the biggest battle with republicans because it is a huge threat to coal and natural gas immediately. if you want to change things, that's how you have to do it. what's the point of us all getting electric vehicles if we're going to charge them from the coal plant down the block so you have to start from the beginning and that's where the big fight is going to happen and that's where the biggest battle is. >> and that's where we have to go to money in politics because that's the problem. and it's not just republicans, hi, joe manchin, i'm looking at you. thank you both. up next, when she was just 12 years old, sarah collins rudolph survived the bombing the birmingham's 16th street baptist church that took place on this day. four little girls, including her sister, were killed. she joins me next to tell her story. ins me next to t ell her story. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪
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58 years ago today on the morning of sunday, september 15th, 12-year-old sarah collins and her sister, adie, were preparing for a youth day service at the 16th street baptist church in birmingham, alabama. an explosion suddenly ripped through the church. a bomb planted by white supremacists had detonated just outside the lounge shattering windows and blowing a gaping hole in the side of the building. the blast was so strong it destroyed the cars parked along the street and was reportedly felt as far as three miles away. most tragically, however, it took the lives of the four young girls with sarah collins that morning, including her sister, addie mae. the body of one of the victims was so mangled she could only be identified by her ring. although she was only feet away, sarah collins somehow survived. she remained standing through
the blast. badly injured but miraculously still standing. a photographer for "life" magazine captured this haunting image from her two-month stay in the hospital where doctors removed two dozen shards of glass from her eyes. remember, 1963 was a momentous and dangerous year in the struggle for civil rights. the march on washington had taken place just weeks earlier. just months before that in june, civil rights activist had been assassinated in mississippi by a member of the klan. but the backlash was especially violent in birmingham under governor george wallace. it's where bull connor unleashed police dogs and fire hoses on civil rights demonstrators that same summer. on top of that, the city had seen so many racially motivated bombings by then, it had earned the nickname bombingham. but the 16th street baptist church was the first of those attacks to claim lives. although it gained national attention, it took years for
murder charges to be filed against the suspected perpetrators, all of whom were devout members of the ku klux klan. one was prosecuted in 1977. almost 40 years passed before two more surviving suspects were arrested and sentenced to life in prison in 2002. it was proof of the old maxim that justice delayed is justice denied. it was certainly denied to the only living victim, sarah collins rudolph, who still lives with the trauma of that day. it was decades before she could tell her story, finally publishing the book the fifth little girl, sole survivor of the 16th street baptist street church bombing. she joins me now. ms. collins rudolph, thank you so much for being here. i really appreciate the chance to talk with you and i hate to start this way. but i would ask you if you could just recount for us that day and what happened in the basement of that church.
>> i can hear you -- i can hear you but i think you might beunm? i can hear you. >> she says i'm muted. can you hear me now? >> yes, i can. thank you. >> on that day we was going to have a youth day program and we were so excited so we came into the lady's lounge to freshen up. and while we was in the lady's lounge, i was looking out the door and i said and sat there whistling that class turned out. they came in the lady's lounge and went onto the other side of the youth stall. when they came out, denise, she was in front so she walked over to my sister addie to tie the
sash on her dress. when she reached her hand out to tie it, that's when i heard a loud noise. boom. it was so loud. all i could do was holler, jesus. addie, addie, addie but she didn't answer. all of a sudden i hear someone holler, somebody bombed the 16th street church. and i found out who that person was, he was winding the dickens up stairs. he said he came down to check and see what it was but when he begin to take the steps, the step had been blown away so he jumped down. he looked into the hole and i was just standing there and it was just awful. >> and you were only 12 years old. you know, i have to imagine that that trauma, you know, affected you emotionally, you know, losing your sister. even just witnessing, being the only witness to that bombing.
how did that impact your life? >> yes. for a long time i was angry. i was angry when that happened because of the fact that my sister was killed and my friend was killed and i lost, you know, my right eye. and i went through life, i was in a nervous state. i was really afraid really to go back into a church. >> yeah. and how did you sort of grow past that to the point where you felt like you could write about what happened to you? >> well, one day i went to church and this pastor, he seen me. he called me out. he let me know what god has showed him about me. he was telling me, god is showing me you suffer with a nervous condition and you suffer with a lot of fear.
and he told me that god was going to heal me now. so he laid his hand on me and then i fell to the floor and when i got up, all of it was gone. i wasn't feeling pain anymore so that really made me start talking about the bombing. >> that church had been used for voter registration and for civil rights organizing and that is one of the reasons it was targeted. dr. king talked about the apathy in the community and saying that that was partly to blame and that people needed to be not apathetic when it came to voting rights. it was a controversial statement that he made. how do you feel about the fact that we're still fighting to this day. it. >> it made me real angry about it. so many people, so many people was killed for those rights and they tried to turn it around now. they shouldn't turn it around because we deserved the vote.
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it was a gut wrenching and emotional day of testimony in washington. sim mope biles, aly raisman recounted horrific and repeated sexual abuse they endured from u.s.a. gymnastics team doctor larry nassar and the system that failed them. >> to be clear, i blame larry nassar but i also blame an entire system that enabled and perpetrated his abuse. we have been failed and we deserve answers. >> what is the point of reporting abuse if our own fbi agents are going to take it upon themselves to bury that report in a drawer? they had legal, legitimate evidence of child abuse and did nothing. >> u.s.a. gymnastics and the
united states olympic and paralympic committee have all betrayed me by larry nassar after i reported. >> it was like serving innocent children up to a pedophile on a silver platter. why did none of these organizations warn anyone? i am tired of waiting for the u.s.a. my abuse was not enough. >> the fbi learned of nassar's actions and two months ago a justice department found the bureau botched the investigation. nassar went on to abuse as many as 120 more athletes. today's testimony comes a day after it was reported that the fbi agent who failed to pursue nassar was fired. chris wray said the actions were
profound. accountability for the agents who turned a blind eye. these athletes who were children were in fact failed at every turn by institutions only focused on mon advertising their athleticism. seriously, all they needed was one adult to do the right thing? think about how many situations. far too late and that is the story. good evening from new york. we are going to get to "all in" in a moment. a ton to talk about. after the run away victory in california but as you can see from the words of the bottom of this screen that just flarnd across, we've got some breaking news to cover before we get to that because in just a few minutes the very first all civilian space flight is going to take off from launch pad 39a at cape canaveral. you