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plateau of courage with character to make america better and true to its commitment. >> reverend jesse jackson gets tonight's "last word" about george holiday. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. well, good evening once again. day 245 of the biden administration, and tonight for this president and his presidency there seems to be the realization that these are indeed critical days just ahead of us. the nation's financial stability for one is at stake. as is his overall agenda. he's now being forced to navigate a showdown in congress in a fight among his fellow democrats who might just be their own worst enemies. just a few hours ago the house passed a bill to keep the u.s. from defaulting on its debt and prevent the government from shutting down. that would be at midnight next
thursday. it passed on a party line vote 220 to 211. all the democrats voted yes, all the republicans voted now. senate republicans have also vowed not to vote on the bill which also provides money for disaster relief, afghanistan evacuees, the pandemic response. without ten senate republicans crossing the aisle to vote for it, the bill will die. california democratic congresswoman jackie spear offered this prediction of the consequences for republicans and indeed for our country. >> there's going to be blood on their hands. you're going to see the stock market plummet. you're going to see the increase in interest rates. you're going to see social security recipients not receiving their checks, and we're going to point to the republicans and say this is the reckless behavior of republicans. >> the house will was also the subject of sharp divisions within the democratic caucus. some members objected to the inclusion of a billion dollars for israel's iron domed defense system, which as you know shoots down incoming rockets fired at
israel. the funding was removed and will be voted on in a later bill, but republicans criticize the change and vowed to stand as allies with israel. that brings up the democrats' deep divide which is threatening biden's sweeping domestic agenda. progressives and moderates, the left and the middle, are at a standoff over when to vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which has already passed in the senate. and the much larger and more expensive budget bill which expands the social safety net. right now moderates want to vote on the infrastructure bill on monday as promised. progressives have threatened not to support it unless the larger bill passed first. earlier the leader of the progressive caucus spoke with rachel maddow. >> all of a sudden the tables get turned on us and we are now finding that people are saying, oh, no, just pass the infrastructure bill and you know
what we'll get to child care later, we'll get to paid leave later. well, rachel, we are committed to delivering the entirety of the president's agenda to the president's desk. half of our caucus -- over half of our caucus has said that they will not just vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. we have to vote on the reconciliation bill first. >> tomorrow the president will meet at the white house with a select group of elected democrats to try to get everybody on the same page on this. tonight the white house is keeping a close eye on developments on the pandemic front as you might imagine. bloomberg reporting that the fda could make its decision on pfizer vaccine boosters as early as tomorrow. last week an fda panel recommended the additional shots for people 65 and over. in addition johnson & johnson said today its booster shot is 94% effective when given two months after their first dose. also nbc news has confirmed a new report out from the daily beast that says former president
trump is suing "the new york times," three of its reporters and for good measure his niece mary trump over a story about his tax history. the daily beast reports it this way. a lawsuit alleges that the newspaper convinced mary trump to smuggle records out of her attorney's office and turn them over to "the times" despite her having signed a confidentiality agreement in 2001. mary trump on her own part released a statement tonight that says, quote, i think he is a loser and he is going to throw anything against the wall he can. it's desperation. there is also extraordinary reporting out tonight from "the new york times" about the trump campaign and efforts to prove false claims of election fraud. you may recall trump lawyers rudy giuliani and sydney powell insisting the election company dominion working with another company, smartmatic to steal the election from trump. here's what they said on
november 19th of last year. >> what we're really dealing with here and uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of communist money through venezuela, cuba and likely china in the interference with our elections here in the united states. >> this is not a singular voter fraud in one state. this pattern repeats itself in a number of states, almost exactly the same pattern. i think the logical conclusion is this is a common plan, a common scheme. it comes right directly from the democrat party and it comes from the candidate. >> communist money and dripping brown goo. "the times" reports the trump campaign knew that it was a lie before giuliani and powell made those allegations. again, that was on november 19. paper says the campaign had prepared an internal memo before that date indicating those claims were untrue. meanwhile, the actual winner of
the 2020 election made his first speech as president before the u.n. general assembly today. even with all the recent challenges to biden's foreign policy, his message to the u.n. was very different from what we had heard from his predecessor. >> we've ended 20 rears of conflict in afghanistan. and as we close this period of relentless war we're opening a new era of relentless diplomacy. we are not seeking a new cold war or a world divided into rigid blocks. the united states is ready to work with any nation that steps up and pursues peaceful resolution to shared challenges. >> biden continued his focus on foreign policy when he got back to washington and the oval office where he held a meeting with u.k. prime minister boris johnson. with that, let's bring in our front line guest on this tuesday
night. lisa lair, national political correspondent for "the new york times." dr. irwin redlener for disaster preparedness at columbia, also professor of pediatrics at albert einstein college of medicine. and john meacham is back with us as well, pulitzer prizewinning author, he occasionally advises the president on historical matters and major speeches. his new podcast, by the way, is called "it was said" and the newest installment importantly looks at some of the most important speeches in the history of sports and our society. good evening and welcome to you all. and lisa, i'd like to begin with you. we asked a few democrats today about what they view as plan "b" if indeed the vote goes down as the debt ceiling is not raised and the government is shutdown. we'll sample that and discuss on the other side. >> what is the plan "b"?
>> we're not going to let them off the hook. >> well, the plan "b" is there's no plan "b." you've got to pay your bills. >> what's the plan "b"? >> then that's on the republicans. >> so lisa, very direct question. what do they do? >> well, quite a situation. this is not the omproblem facing the administration and democrats right now. they have very deep dweeds over the center piece of biden's domestic agenda this expansive $3.5 trillion economic package. the bipartisan infrastructure bill has not been finalized or signed into law. you have issues at the border. you have his immigration agenda was dealt a major setback this week with senate parliamentarians saying it couldn't be included in that economic package. so what you really see is that the biden administration's domestic agenda is hanging by a
thread right now in the first year of his administration. of course his political capital the highest it's going to be. and on top of that the issue of the debt ceiling which could cause catastrophic economic effects. we've had shutdowns before. we've never had a government shutdown in the middle of a pandemic and i think that's what's scaring a lot of people in congress and outside of congress and just sort of normal americans trying to get through a rather uneven economic situation right now. >> so john meacham, the challenges are many. we've just been talking about domestic policy. foreign policy was on the president's agenda today post botched withdrawal from afghanistan. and to top it all off using the parlance of diplomacy we managed to piss off france. what do you make of the state of his presidency right now?
>> i think democracy is hanging by a thread. it's not just the president's agenda. and i don't mean to be hyperbolic but just look at the clinical facts of the matter. we have a country that you just reported that the previous president attempted to lie and scheme his way to overturning the constitution. that's one. and that wasn't even your first story, right? you have a significant number of people who call themselves republicans believing that they would rather put their faith in an authoritarian rather than the constitution. they are in flight from fact. they are in flight from truth, privileging the will to power over the checks and balances and inherent imperfections and compromises of a constitutional order. and so i think this is a lot bigger than a political who's
up, who's down question. president biden was elected 81 million people, sent him to the pinnacle of power to try to see if democracy can deliver, if democracy can work in an era of weaponized propaganda, in a domestic sense, high anti-immigration sentiment, corrosive identity politics, which all of which are perennial forces in american life, but which are flowing at such a pace right now that to torture the metaphor a bit, the waters are about to jump the levee. and so i think that what i hope we're going to see here is that if you're out there and if you want to see democracy work, what you need to do is get on the phone and get on the e-mail and tell republican senators that you want this financial problem taken care of, and then you can
fight about whether you want to spend "x" amount of money or "y" amount of money. i really do believe this is democracy's hour of maximum danger. >> well, with that in mind dr. redlener, over to your expertise and the ongoing pandemic. and i want to quote for you dr. lina wen. she is to cnn what you are to us. she's the former commissioner in the city of baltimore and she writes this. just as vaccinated people are making different decisions about their risk tolerance to every day activities, they should be able to choose whether they want the added protection of the third dose. so doctor, noting that people of means and access are already getting their own third doses, in your view if we could put government aside for a moment, should adults be able to choose? >> well, brian, i don't think
really it's a matter of sort of a personal choice. this is a matter of what works and what doesn't work and what is the health community suggesting or recommending. and i just want to say just listening to lisa and john, i'm amazed about this fact which is that the president and the white house and the country are dealing with massive issues that affect our economy, affect our foreign relations and as john just said affect the stability of our democracy. and all things considered in that case i'm looking at the covid pandemic as relatively straightforward, nowhere near as complex as the issues the other two panelists have just brought up. the reality is that besides the fact there are these crazy unprecedented arguments about how to proceed with a scientific challenge, having governors forbidding people to wear a mask and inhibiting the mandated
vaccines, it's just too straightforward to put even in the same category as trying to save our democracy or rescue the american presidency from the crises that he's experiencing domestically and internationally. so long answer to your question is but, look, if the scientist community, if dr. fauci, cdc, fda and your doctors say, yeah, get a third dose -- which means especially for older people or people with all kinds of immunocompromise, get the third dose. at some point it may or may not be available and recommended to the general population. but in the meantime i don't know what basis a person who's not a medical professional is going to make that decision in any case. >> so lisa, the conversation comes back to you. john's comments alone could be the center piece of their own
hourlong broadcast. and his comments on the thread that our democracy is hanging on are thought out and as scary as they are thought out. given that just microcosm down to tomorrow. president meet with democrats. the president has nothing left but to plead his case. what's at stake tomorrow? >> well, his entire -- as i said earlier his entire domestic agenda. as straightforward as the good doctor was saying the pandemic was, getting this massive piece of economic legislation through congress is exactly the opposite. it's very, very complex. and what biden is trying to do here is ambitious. he's basically trying to do the new deal or great society program not over several years or piecemeal but in one fell swoop. the administration sees this as
their best shot. they're looking at his approval ratings which have gone down a bit in the last couple of weeks and they're aware of the congressional rules that make it tough for -- and the constraints of their narrow majorities in congress. and what he's going to be arguing is that this is the democrats' best chance to get something done, that this is a popular unifying pose of legislation and that frankly democrats need to do it so they can have something to run on in mid-term elections that are going to be pretty tough for them and also to make good on their campaign promises. but what i think the party is confronting is divides that have been really brewing since 2016 or before when you had hillary clinton up against bernie sanders and the split between the more moderate wing of the party and the more progressive wing of the party that just doesn't see eye to eye on some pretty significant issues like taxes, like spending, like climate change.
and, you know, solving these things and finding consensus in the next week or so seems really tough. >> so john meacham, let's switch things up and take a question to you from irving's area of eshper tease. and a question about something that was spotted in nashville that made the rounds today on social media. electronic sign outside the country store. there at the bottom it says force a shot on us, we force a shot on you. the final frame says "the final variant is communism." to that the memphis holler wrote today in case you missed it we have the highest transmission rate of covid per capita. our hospitals are bursting at the seams, 95% of folks occupying bed because they refuse to get shot, and we have permitless carry here, too. so, john, as a proud and loyal tennesseean who spends part of
your time as a coastal elite is the problem here that the coastal elites aren't spending enough time in red american country to see this sentiment on a daily basis and just how thick it is? >> it's thick in every sense, right? it's thick in that it's not rational. and it's not a matter of understanding red america, going as if you're going to the south seas to learn that the country is in the grips of, again, not unprecedented in kind but unprecedented i would argue in degree since the 1850s. and i use that analogy very, very advisably because we know how the 1850s ended. they ended in bloodshed. they ended in cataclysm.
and i'm not predicting armed conflict here. but i do think we have to take a pretty deep breath here and think about the -- what's genuinely at stake. you have almost half the country -- and that number proportionately rises in my part of the country -- that simply don't believe self-evidently in the give-and-take of a democratic republic. they want their way, and if they don't have their way they will deny reality that is in any kind of opposition to what they think. which, i would argue to my fellow southerners and others is ahistorical. it's not america. reason would have a chance against passion in the arena
because otherwise why are governments instituted? governments are instituted because all of us are basically wired by evolution to take as much as we can, right, or we wouldn't be here because our ancestors would have been killed along the way. we are the products of very successful predators in an evolutionary setting, right? and if you go to a state of nature and that political philosophy, there's a state of nature where the war of all against all, where we're fighting each other for everything we can get. and then one of the processes of civilization was that liberty under law, we would constrain ourselves in order to preserve a broader sense of security. all the stuff that -- the idea, brian, we're sitting here in september 2021 and i'm giving a podded lecture on hobbs and locke is a really, really
terrifying thing. but what you saw on that sign-in nashville is heading toward a state of nature, not heading toward the mediation of differences. and i'd just in conclusion here, this is on us. this is on we, the people. because democracies are counter intuitive. because we're driven by appetite and ambition. that's what we are as human beings. and democracy is about seeing each other not as rivals but as neighbors. we do not see each other as neighbors in america at this hour. and if we don't, maybe we aren't worthy of this democracy. and maybe that's a question we really, really need to stare in the face, not worry again about this bill and that bill. but are we, in fact, mature enough as a people to govern
ourselves? i think we are, but we're doing everything we can to prove the opposite. >> and your comments prove the air hangs heavy across our country as we get together tonight with thanks to our starting front line, lisa lerrer, dr. irwin redlener, john meacham. thanks for starting off our conversation. coming up for us, why the january 6th committee says they aren't wasting any time. going straight subpoenas as the fbi warns about the increasing threat of domestic terrorism. and the pictures from our southern border what might they say about us and our society? it's one of the things we'll talk about with a noted new york times columnist. all of it as "the 11th hour" is just getting under way tonight. just getting under way tonight discover card i just got my cashback match is this for real? yup!
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committee expected within a week. they appear to be prepared for push back. adam schiff telling nbc news in some cases we're making requests where we think they'll be complied with. in other cases we're going straight subpoenas where we think we're dealing with recalcitrant parties. with us tonight to talk about it, wawneta tolliver, and stuart stevens, vet on of the mitt romney and george w. bush. the title of his book is "it was all a lie how the republican party became donald trump." good evening and welcome to you both. and stuart, with your past and your party and politics in mind do you agree with liz cheney who just this week said that there may not have been anymore important congressional investigation than the one under way right now? >> yeah, 100%. look, this is an attempt to overthrow the peaceful transition of power which is the essence of democracy.
the key element of democracy is someone has to be willing to lose and republicans have decided they're for democracy when they win and they're not for it when they lose, which means they're not for democracy. if you don't let this slide, if you don't get to the truth, if you don't hold people accountable, it's a cancer. and it will eat at our democracy, and i think john meacham was absolutely right about the grave state that democracy is hanging. republicans had a chance to hold trump responsible, and they didn't. and i think it's a moment like the munich accord. chamberlain was a much more well-intentioned person. but the ramifications of it are stunning. they have to get to the truth. >> do you agree with jon's sense of urgency, stuart? >> yeah, i think jon might even be an optimist here. the republican party is an actively anti-democrat, autocratic force in america.
and it blows my mind i'm saying that after all the years i burked in the party, but those are the stone-cold facts. jon laid it out. the official position of the republican party is that donald trump was the legally elected president, which means we don't have a legally elected president, which means we don't live in a democracy which means we're in an occupied country. and as jon pointed out the last time that happened was around 1860, and how'd that work out? i think we all have this great desire for normalcy now. we have a normal president. hares sort of looked normal. but if we allow ourselves to think this moment is normal it's going to be catastrophic because the people who are autocrats in this country, they're organized. they're patient. they're not stupid. they have these buffoonish characters out front but they're not buffoonish.
and they think they're going to win. if we don't fight them, come together and put aside these purity tests and democrats have to really challenge themselves here. this is a character test for democrats. republicans failed their character test, but democrats have to be willing to come together and put aside differences and fight for democracy because they're really the last best hope we have here. >> juanita, i've never heard a better setup for you to see -- are they up for the fight as seen by jon and stuart? >> in the halls of congress youtd both mccarthy and mcconnell vote against a commission that was negotiated within their own republican conference to get to the truth of what happened on january 6th, and so democrats and speaker pelosi took it upon herself to launch a select committee, right? they're already doing that. i think what comes next, though, is critical to the success of
what we can discover in the selects committee. and that's why representative schiff already said we're jumping straight subpoenas because we're not trying to waste time with people who will be resistant to abiding by or responding to this. and schiff knows what he's talking about based on responses he got issued in previous impeachment trials where trump administration officials just ignored it essentially. and so now with this white house, with this doj that are already encouraging trump officials to cooperate with congressional inquiries, hopefully we get somewhere. and as chairman thompson said this is about getting not only to the truth of january 6th but making sure it never happens again. i think you mentioned it briefly, brian, the fbi has said there's been a massive increase in the number of domestic terrorist threats, let's be real, that stem from white supremacist themes that were on display januar 6th. and i don't see that going in
the box anytime soon because these are folks emboldened by trump, rallied by trump and encouraged by trump to attack the capitol that day but to continue to make threats against our democracy and our country every other day. >> wow, it's a heavy night but i don't think our viewers expect a rom com at this hour anyway. both of these terrific guests have agreed to stay with us while we fit in a break. when we come back, we're going to talk a bit more specifically about democrats on capitol hill. k a bit more specifically about democrats on capitol hill
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as we said the president's going to be meeting with house and senate democrats tomorrow in an effort to salvage his domestic agenda. but despite biden's campaign promises on issues like voting rights, gun control, progressives on the left worry they're going to be left out. "the new york times" writes it this way. as they look past the final push on $3.5 trillion spending bill the white house has made its policy priority, they are growing more concerned that mr. biden's actions will not be as bold as his tone at least when it comes to some of their key issues. still with us thankfully juanita tolliver and stuart stevens. juanita, devil's advocate here. you know the argument. you know people say to the left the jipalls of the world. did you like the trump years? because if you did you can have four more if you split the party. the margins in the house are so
thin they can't afford anyone to get the sniffles on vote day. they can't pass anything in the united states senate including peach month, and joe biden may be the last best hope moderates and liberals in the democratic party have. >> look, brian, i'm hesitant to put this on progressives before looking at moderates first because let's remember the entire plan for the build back better agenda to be delivered to biden was a two-bill package that run on parallel tracks. that was the plan. biden even got in trouble for saying it out loud, but that has always been the instrumental plan for democrats. so my eye first goes to moderates of is this the road you want to take, causing intraparty fighting that could potentially blow up this agenda? because i look at progressives at this point and say, okay, they're only responding to leverage to make sure that essential investments are made in people and the economy and every bit of recovery that we need in an ongoing pandemic. and so i fully expect fireworks for biden tomorrow when he calls
everybody into huddle. he's over this. he's tired of it. he wants it done so they can move onto the other priorities you just mentioned, brian. and so i fully expect negotiations to come to a head tomorrow. speaker pelosi already put out the word to progressives to expect some fluctuations in the reconciliation bill. i won't be surprised if tomorrow ends with announcements of new agreements and then all of this can move forward. >> and stuart, let's not forget all of this is up against the threat of the new kind of bromide of the republican party as we discussed before the break, this new situational nihilism of which people like mcconnell and mccarthy are the leaders. >> yeah, i mean, democrats have to ask themselves what is this going to be like if they lose in 2022? it's pretty clear what republicans will do. if they win both they'll impeach
biden. this is a serious stuff. and if you really believe that the country is at a crisis, if you really believe that we're at some sort of challenge of democracy, which i deeply believe. and i think a lot of democrats -- a lot of americans say but a lot of democrats say if you really believe that you will find a way to come together and to help president biden pass at least some big bill here. and not -- not fight over every last thing that you want in this bill. it's essential. at a certain point good government becomes good politics. and i think it's critical for democrats going into this next election to have a series of accomplishments of which this is the center piece. >> it is essential for us to have smart friends on this broadcast. and our viewers have just heard from two of them. our thanks to juanita tolliver and stuart stevens for their
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there is more outrage tonight after disturbing images show border patrol agents on horseback swinging what appeared to be horse reins near haitian migrant. administration officials have vowed to thoroughly investigate the incident. >> what i saw depicted of those individuals on horseback treating human beings the way they were, deplorable. >> we do not tolerate any
mistreatment or abuse of a migrant, period. >> this just one of the issues we want to talk to our next guest about. we're so pleased to welcome back to the broadcast charles blow, columnist for "the new york times." his latest book, "the devil you know a black power manifesto" was just released today in the paperback version. and charles, your book, perspective readers are really in for a ride. it is a call to action more than that a call to migration the likes of which at least i have never read. talk about the reception since it's been out in hard cover. and talk about it existing in a country where it doesn't seem like congress or the feds are going to be able to guarantee voting rights. >> right. so the thesis of the book is that people should reverse the great migration back to the south, consolidate power and therefore increase their actual power in the united states of america. and since the book was published
in hard cover events have only kind of stiffened my spine in my belief this is what is required. we saw this outpouring of -- of support and pledges of change and aid in the wake of the summer of protests. billions of dollars were pledged by corporations. all sorts of promises were made including police reform. and now what we see is police reform is still stuck in congress. there is is a new kind of jim crow 2.0 under way as states crack down on voting and try to suppress votes of people mostly black and brown people. and the severest ones are in the states that are seeing these surges in black and brown people. in georgia there has been a surge in black people. it was in texas where there was an ongoing surge of hispanic
people. it is in arizona where there's an ongoing surge of hispanic people. in addition to that those corporations pledged a billion dollars and only gave a fraction of that money and many gave to causes that were going to make them money rather than give truly to causes of equity. we have seen this before. we were here in the wake of riots that followed in the middle '60s and definitely that followed dr. king's assassination. we saw all this good faith effort, and then it faded. and then they forgot all about it. and then we drifted into mass incarceration. we cannot go through these cycles are american society says that they have black interest -- best interests at heart and they do not do anything in the end to secure. and black people cannot allow their liberation to be dependent
on whether or not white america wakes up or whether or not white america feels like being sympathetic that day. you have to be in control of that yourself. and that is what this book proposes. >> that is why to coin a phrase, the prescription is to follow the warmth of the original sun to our south. charles, i want to read this to you. this from the naacp today. the humanitarian crisis happening under this administration on the southern border disgustingly mirrors some of the darkest moments in american history. if we were to close our eyes and this was occurring under the trump administration, what would we do? the inhumane treatment of the haitian refugees is utterly sickening. i am tempted, charles, to ask if the -- if the horse with a man on his back will become the modern symbol of our immigration mess, the way things like the baton and the fire hose came to symbolize the struggle.
>> right. but it is so big in this is -- it's tiresome to play this game but you have to play it and hard to call it a game. which is imagine these are white people. imagine not only these are white people and being chased and beaten with whatever these reigns or whatever what they look like were, it never would have happened. and imagine those are trump children and they wouldn't turn off the lights or give them blankets because they didn't need those sorts of things. the way we treat people in america who are not white, who are not privileged, who do have power, who do not have wealth whether they are migrants or whether they are residents of this country is deplorable. and it cannot be disconnected. you cannot disconnect the way
they treat george floyd from the way they treat a haitian with two bags of food in his hand and just trying to get somewhere and get safe and eat it with chasing him around on a horse with reigns or whips or whatever this is. >> i was just think as we might have to edit the words of lazarus -- charles blow has been our guest tonight. again, to member of our audience the book is "the devil you know a black power manifesto" out now in paperback. charles, thank you as always. coming up for us the desperate race to save a 2,000-year-old towering national treasure. a 2,000-year-old towering national treasure ♪ when you hear 'cough cough sneeze sneeze' ♪ it's time for ♪ 'plop plop fizz fizz' ♪ alka seltzer plus cold relief, dissolves quickly... instantly ready to start working.
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they all mean an empty seat at the table. the small flags on the grounds of the washington monument or the most recent attempt to illustrate what we mean when we say we've now lost 1 in every 500 of our fellow citizens during this pandemic. we have a good idea how many of them could have been prevented had there not been such rancid government nonpractice and denialism. it gave rise to the anti-vax movement which is now killing our people. and for any and all of your friends who get their news on the crazy side of facebook, those who say it's experimental, that it's a government trap or a tracking device, those who say they're still doing their research -- by the way, ask to see their home research laboratories. all those folks should see the following. this is 24-year-old patrick bershia who was interviewed three weeks ago by nbc news
correspondent gabe gutierrez while hospitalized with covid in billings, montana. he admits he was a consumer of misinformation. he admits he was anti-vaccine before he got sick. >> i was hearing a lot of propaganda like the vaccine wasn't really effective, it wasn't real. there was just a whole bunch of crap that was hearing from close friends and family members who didn't really trust it. and i wasn't really out trying to get proper information about it. but after experiencing what i've experienced, as soon as i can i'm getting the vaccine. and i highly recommend anyone who has it to do it because this is a very scary situation. >> that was patrick in the hospital there in billings, montana. that was three weeks ago. he's gone now. he died this weekend at the age of 24.
another vaccine skeptic who underwent an icu conversion to vaccine proponent right before he lost his life. that is our broadcast for this tuesday night with our thanks for being here with us. on behalf of all our colleagues at thanks for being home and joining us at this hour. when world war i started in europe. our president here in the united states, vice president will was soon, and woodrow wilson was bound undetermined that the united states would not get itself involved in that war. and that really worked for him politically for a while. woodrow wilson was elected in 1912, world war i, president wilson really wanted us to stay out of it at all cost. and indeed, when he ran for reelection in 1916, he ran for election using the
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