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good afternoon, i'm lindsey risener new york in nor hallie jackson. the shutdown in sight. following several new developments in the d.c. drama that's putting key agenda items for president biden and democrats on ice. congressional leaders announcing they've reached a framework with the white house how to pay for thes 3ds.5 trillion social spending bill but it's what nancy pelosi and chuck schumer
didn't say that's making headlines. also learned there could be another delay in a vote on both the spending bill and the bipartisan infrastructure bill. the house speaker not committing to the previous deadline set for monday. saying she's confident both bills will get passed. and in a new sign, things are getting real. the white house telling federal agencies to prepare for a government shutdown. we're also watching for developments from the cdc which could announce at any moment who will be qualified to get a booster shot of pfizer's covid-19 vaccine. let's go ahead and bring in our nbc news team, ali vitali on capitol hill. mike memoli at the white house and joins by jake sherman punchbowl news founder and msnbc political contributor. ali, start with you. a big day of developments and speaker pelosi making news late this morning? >> reporter: a busy day and frank lif busy week. right to frame it as news for what was said and not said. in terms what we actually heard
from lawmakers, senate majority leader chuck schumer alongside speaker pelosi and treasury secretary janet yellen this morning telling reporters they reached an agreement with the white house and both houses of congress on how to pay for this reconciliation bill. the rest of it went unsaid. it's got us with a few questions here. specifically, what the price tag on this bill is going to be, as well as whether or not the reconciliation portion of this will continue to hold up the bipartisan, more traditional infrastructure piece of this. still a lot of tension between factions in the democratic caucus. hearing how speaker pelosi put it. >> bringing our legislation forward, it's ready. we didn't say anything about the price tag but talking about the values contained therein. we are for the $3.5 trillion be in because that was sent to us. marked up to that and now go to
the next step. i think we're in a very good place. >> reporter: a few notable things there. bring the legislation when it's ready. that may or may not mean monday. monday, although a lot of deadlines are floating around on the hill now, actually a deadline that can be moved. it's art philly set by the speaker and moderates she negotiated it with several weeks ago. they're not likely to bring that to a vote on the bibart san infrastructure bill if it didn't pass on monday. it's not clear we'll see that vote monday. i would say when she says while they like the $3.5 trillion number, they're more wed to the policy. what i've started to see emerging here on capitol hill is the idea that both progressives and moderates might find a way to low are the price tag, but also keep the policy items. progressives saying they would be same way as moderate shortening time frame on entitlements lowering cost, good for moderates but keeping policy
priorities progressives feel are so important and activist groups are so vocal about them continuing to champion here. it would be a way for both sides to get what they want. but only the beginnings of those conversations i've heard here in my conversations with lawmakers. not sure that's the path we're on going forward, but still a lot of gridlock here on capitol hill. >> jake, stay there on capitol hill. often we hear don't bet against nancy pelosi. how are we to look what could transpire monday and if we don't see that vote,s does that mean she didn't have votes? >> reporter: yes and no. i would say a few things. say we shouldn't bet against nancy pelosi because she has a history of winning these kinds of votes. also has a history not putting bills on the floor until she knows she can pass them. i've gathered that in the last 15 years covering her both in her last two stints as speaker. reality is this -- if there's a vote on the infrastructure bill, before there's a really built-out
framework for reconciliation it's probably going to fail. that's just based on the numbers we know exist. progressives say they have 40 people against it. let's dhaut in half, say they have 20 people against infrastructure. there aren't going to be 20 republicans to make up for that. there's one of two pacts. either some sort of framework or there's, or the bill will go down. i think furthermore, we're seeing today this framework, this revenue framework nancy pelosi and chuck schumer announced is not much of a framework at all. an attempt to show their busy, doing things, but the framework existed. the legislative process has been ongoing for weeks now. the ways and means committee, which writes tax policy, already had a menu. i don't see much change here, but i do see two things happening. with the debt ceiling it will expire in a month. either put it in this reconciliation bill or convince
mitch mcconnell to change his mind voting against it. that's not happening. might have to put it in the reconciliation bill and the next thing is a government shutdown that begins in a week from today. the two pressing priorities. infrastructure reckon sill congratulationiation, no timeline, so to speak. government funding, debt ceiling, too. >> progressives argue with you on that. mike, talk about the government shutdown. the white house is scrambling to not only save the president's agenda but avoid a shutdown. that deadline is a week away. how are they trying to avoid it? >> in a weeks' time, not resolved, you'll see in the corner of the screen a countdown clock counting down hours and minutes left before the government would shut down. unfortunately far too common in washington these days. used to be rare. we've seen multiple shutdownnesses the past decades as a result of brinksmanship on capitol hill. if this is not quite the fiscal clip then vice president joe biden helped resolve in 2012. we had different financial deadlines, as jake laid out. some of these are self-imposed
democratic deadlines relateding to the president's agenda, where most of the energy on part of the white house is geared at this moment. no meetings at the white house today with lawmakers and the president directly, but there are staff-level conversations continuing. we did hear from general psaki earlier today laying out some contingency planning under way, should the government fail to pass legislation to pay its bills starting next week. this is sort of the yearly fiscal deadline they face involving office of management and budget beginning to spell out seven days in advance so all government agencies can begin to prepare for what happens if the funding dries up in a week. again, this is something that has unfortunately become routine. something o & b become accustomed to prepare for because of deadlines we face. at this stage, doesn't appear that's where the white house's main concern is. they're working to get the president's agenda, build back better proposals made up of both
bipartisan infrastructure framework and larger human infrastructure package as well and of course, they're preparing just in case we do get to a situation where next thursday there's no deal in sight for passing a continuing resolution which, again, you about keeping the lights on here in washington. >> jake, listen to what house minority leader kevin mccarthy today is saying about a potential shutdown and democrats. let's listen. >> they are in the majority. they control what comes to the floor. they have wasted all of this time. the only people that will get any blame for this is the democrats and their management. >> are they banking, jake, on americans blaming democrats for any potential shutdown or debt default? >> sure. they believe democrats do control the white house. the house and the senate. they do. they believe they can make a credible case, mitch mcconnell is making this case, that democrats should be responsible for the nitty-gritty of governing and that's not been the case in the past. we should point that out.
republicans and democrats have worked together raise the debt ceiling to fund government. if the government funding bill did not include a debt ceiling increase, republicans would vote for it, they say. i think we'll see that next week, because it's not going to get through the senate with a debt creeling from it. -- debt ceiling in it. not going to happen. a default, cataclysmic for our economy, country, credit rating, republicans will make the point democrats are to blame. democrats say republicans blocked it in the senate and republicans will have blocked it in the senate. that's a true statement. >> thank you all so much for starting us off this hour. in a few moments we talk with the number three democrat, washington senator patty murray. while we continue to monitor developments from capitol hill we're closely watching the cdc which could make an announcement at any moment about pfizer covid-19 shots. recommending a booster store
tens of millions of americans overnight. including ages 65 and older and with high risk of exposure and severe illness. this health care workers, schoolteachers, grocery store employees. fda says it's third pfizer dose must come at least six months after the second. but the cdc will have the final say on who qualifies for the extra shot. nbc news senior medical correspondent dr. john torres is with me now and joined by dr. paul offit, a member of the fda advisory committee and author of new book "you bet your life: from blood transfusions to --". dr. torres, start with you. what's taking place at the cdc and the timeline, if they go along with the fda on those boosters shots? >> it's like you mentioned, lindsey. as we sit here they're looking at the information from the pfizer anded fda and deciding what to recommend as far as
shots going forward because the fda authorized, the three groups. 65 and above, long-care fasts and those at high risk, and those with occupations that put them at high risk coming in contact with covid and potentially getting infected. that's what the cdc is looking at now. a four-step process. two steps at the fundamental ra ra -- fda level and the advisory committee is meeting now and will vote on it. then goes to the cdc, dr. walensky, she'll go with the vote or not. most likely go with the vote. recommend that stage and then people get shots in arms. as we sit here, they recommend it, she signs off, essentially shots in arms tomorrow, lindsey. >> wow. tomorrow. doctor, what are your expectations what could come out of this meeting. we'll see pap more layered approach. start with those over 65.
then go to people who are at high risk of severe disease and then go to people who work in places like hospitals, grocery stores, pharmacies. a high risk of transmission of the virus. we'll see. they may choose to test the water with one foot at a time. if you think about this for a second. when pfizer did its trial, its phase three trial looking for people over 65 years of age. 20,000 got the placebo. that was a big safety and efficacy platform to stand on. when submitting this vaccine a third dose, basically 306 people that got a third dose. so the safety profile is not quite as robust as you'd like, as was for the original. may choose to go more slowly. we'll see. >> and why did the panel recommend thisbooster and do up see it approved for the wider
population at some date? >> we'll see. the critical question, what's the goal of this vaccine. consistently said, the goal of this vaccine prevent serious illness. part of your immune system is immunological memory cells which tend to be generated high frequencies after two doses of mrna vaccine and long lived. up a epidemiological studies support that in this country. protection against serious disease has been held up, held up for the mrnd vaccine, the pfizer vaccine, all age groups and through the delta variant up to the present month. moderna vaccine. ex-lem memory responses. unfortunate message came out of this, suddenly nobody considers themselves protected. two doses doesn't mean fully immune. that's not true.
most who got two doses are basically protected which is basically the goal. >> dr. torres what about boosters from johnson & johnson? right now just talking about pfizer. what about when people should guess those? >> exactly, lindsey. actually causing confusion. not justifiesor but subgroups who got the pfizer vaccine, adding to confusion out there. hopefully the cdc, as the doctor said, once out with recommendations, that will alleviate that. moderna and johnson & johnson, this does not include them and no real data they have to look at to find out whether we should mix or match. it's coming but not here quite yet. people with the moderna and johnson & johnson vaccine need to wait a little bit. that's going to happen probably over the next month or so for moderna, maybe a little longer for johnson & johnson to find out when they need to get their booster shots and how, right now
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as part of their investigation. plus, the "washington post" is reporting that the biden administration is leaning towards sharing key details with the committee. what president trump was doing and when during that attack on the capitol. the decision from the biden white house potentially setting up a legal standoff over executive privilege with a spokesman for the former president telling the "post" in a statement, executive privilege will be defended. with me now, capitol hill reporter, nbc reporter, and "washington post" political investigations reporter with us as well. and tell me about what we're learning about the documents that the select committee is getting? sounds like just now starting to dig through them? quite a trail. >> lindsey, nbc news can report the select committee received documents from the seven government agencies that it has request the them from as part of this investigation into the events of january 6th and what happened. there's a separate set of documents they've requested from
the national archives which goes through a bit of a more messy process. several tranches of documents sent for a review process where the former president can potentially challenge them. there's a 30-day period for that, and they've not heard whether that challenge is forthcoming or not. they don't expect to hear that before the 30-day period is up and unlikely to happen before early october. bottom line, a step forward for the committee, determined to get documents and information broadly speaking, on january 6th involving the events there and everything that led up to it. they believe they have an aggressive mandate to investigate that and everything seen so far is part of the first stage of investigations where the committee chairman suggested that the next step could be subpoenas. we don't know the details of that yet. >> still just the beginning. josh, i want to read a statement the white house team got in response to your reporting. a white house spokesman saying the president supports a thorough investigation into what
occurred why they've engaged congress matters relateds to january 6th for several months and will continue to do so. with the select committee. that's a very different stance from the trump white house when it comes to working with congressional investigators on this. what kind of information could the administration provide and how soon could congress get it? >> this would be, you know, tens, hundreds of thousands of documents they have to review of the national archives and take a while. a rolling process on a lot of these matters, and likely challenges from trump's team. there's some documents that trump's people say at least now they think the biden folks may not want to turn over because it would, you know, be a precedent of sorts for the future. and biden people have been clear they want to cooperate with the investigation in terms of people, making clear they are less interested. sure that won't surprise you on either front. what, though, trump folks are
saying, a lot of these documents, that they will fight tooth and nail to keep them from them because of executive privilege and some of the former president's allies about what the committee's doing and what the committee, the lines of inquiry, who they want to testify and what detail to uncover about what was happening in the days leading up to the january 6th and afterwards. in a particular interest, right? what was going on in that three-four hours while the capitol was being ransacked. what he saying, doing? why did it take so long to get tweets out. not a ton of people, but some. a concern some of the those folks do not want to testify. i guess we'll see how this battle plays out. >> yeah. you mentioned subpoenas. someone who could have knowledge of the form are president's actions january 6th is kevin
mccarthy. what are we hearing from him whether he would comply with a subpoena? >> reporter: kevin mccarthy is an interesting part of this investigation because the committee demanded documents and communications relating in anyway to the events of january 6th. kevin mccarthy we know spoke to then president trump as this attack, insurrection, on the capitol was happening and has not revealed the full details of that call and certainly something the committee wants to get its hands on. kevin mccarthy was asked about the propect of a subpoena earlier. have a listen what the house minority lead her to say. >> if you're among the group subpoenaed for your information or for an interview, how will you respond to that subpoena and are you advising your fellow members of congress that could face subpoenas how they should respond? >> you know i haven't received any subpoena, but just goes to show they're more -- this is more about politics than anything else. >> reporter: i should say i
spoke to a committee source moments ago and asked about this possibility. they said simply not at the moment talking about subpoenas. discussing subpoenas against members of congress. of course, there is no historical or legal precedent for congress to enforce a subpoena against one of its own members. it could become a messy process. you heard, mccarthy not saying whether he
would comply with such a request. >> interesting. thank you both so much. still to come, a member of senate democratic leadership patty murray joins us live as congress barrels closer towards a government shutdown. and a debt crisis. first, our closest look yet at the migrant camp at the texas border. stay with us. before we talk about tax-smart investing, what's new?
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new pushback from the state don't accusations by the former u.s. special envoy for haiti. a spokesperson for the state department calming it unfortunate that instead of participating in a solutions-oriented policy process, special envoy foote resigned and mischaracterizes the circumstances of his resignation. special envoy foote slammed what he called the inhumane counterprivgt decision to deport thousands of haitian refugees
and illegal immigrants to haiti also calling the u.s. policy approach deeply flawed saying recommendations ignored and dismissed when not edited to project a narrative different than my own. morgan chesky is in del rio, texas. josh, start with you. sharp words from both sides there. the white house also taking issue with the term and deportations when it comes to what's happening where morgan is? >> right. ironic democrats celebrated oe biden's election could turn oess of the former trump administration they decried insensitive and inhumane and now the white house is dug in on its own policies coming under scrutiny from republicans and democrats alike and very dismissive of critical including folks working for the biden administration.
in the case of ambassador foote, resigning yesterday saying he didn't want to be any part of this anymore. both the white house spokeswoman and the state department essentially trashing him on his way out with the white house saying he never once took the chance when in office to raise his concerns about migration, and the state department spokesman saying, yeah raised ideas we didn't adopt because they were bad ideas. a striking departure from the way the government traditionally tried to keep these types of disagreements behind the scenes and not have them play out in public view. we see how defensive in a way the white house has been as they are getting these increasing questions. with the white house press secretary-general psaki taking issue with the term "mass deportations" alureding to the fact, it seems, these folks are just entering the country, not have been in the u.s., instead immediately returned kind of expelled from the country
including through this new authority under covid to use in the case of emergencies. one concession perhaps we did hear from the white house today was on the point about the horses we've seen officials down on the border, where morgan is, using, with those reins holding in close proximity to some migrants. the white house confirming that the homeland security department will no longer be using horses to do that patrolling down there even though they say it's fairly standard for particularly in, know, riot police and others to use horses when trying to do crowd control. obviously, this played into some of the devastating images seen and the perception that what's happening down there isn't humane to these folks obviously fleeing all kinds of violence and other instability in haiti. the white house says, far as the horses, no longer that will be part of their approach down on the border. >> what's happening there on the ground? we know the biden administration
is sharing an update how many are still camped around that bridge in del rio and how many people have been removed. what are you learning? >> lindsey, last check fewer than 5,000 mostly haitian men, women and children are beneath that bridge which is about a quarter mile from where i'm standing. this is where pretty much everyone all 15,000, that peak over the weekend came across here. the rio grande crossing. you can see that dam allowing a shallow enough crossing for pretty much about five days of unchecked crossings before that massive arrival of state and federal agencies on saturday evening, sunday morning. as far as how operations are going here, it's been 24/7 operation since really about sunday-monday in earnest with those relocation buses and/or flights in some cases taking them to other processing centers all along the u.s.-mexico border. not necessarily here in texas. we did speak to one haitian couple the other day.
it was a 25-year-old husband with his young pregnant wife. getting on a bus to go from del rio to houston, texas. that's where the official processing was take -- took place. from there, they got that notice to appear before an immigration office within 60 days to then get a court date where they could begin that long process of claiming asylum here in the united states, and until then he told me he was planning to stay with family in brooklyn. so -- that brings up a good point here, lindsey. there was a nonprofit shelter here in del rio. people need to understand that the haitian men, women and children are no longer just here. they are in your communities. people should view them as treating a neighbor and try to take the politics out of it to create a little bit of compassion here, because so many of these people came over into the country with next to nothing. >> yeah. >> reporter: lindsey? >> horrid condition there's. morgan chesky and josh
letterman, thank you for your reporting. back now to preparations for a potential government shutdown. the white house is now telling government agencies to get ready for what could be the first shutdown of the u.s. government since the pandemic began. if a new spending bill isn't passed. its future tied to the debt limit increase something republicans say democrats need to pass without gop votes. joining me now is democratic senator patty murray. thank you for your time. the "washington post" reports democrats are privately beginning to acknowledge they're unlikely to prevail in the face of a gop blockade. is there a plan b and does it mean the government shuts down and defaults? >> this is an unbelievable made-up crisis that the republicans have put on us. we pay our bills, just like every family should. we have a process that we do that, that we have a vote in the
senate. we have always worked this out to make sure that our economy doesn't collapse, and we aren't known as the country who doesn't pay their bills, to our businesses or to anyone else. we need to do this job and get it done, and it really is appalling to me republicans decided to take this, our country, our obligations, in some sort of hostage situation. that should not be occurring. we expect them to step up just as i have in the past when they have been in the majority. we intend to take that vote next week and, yes, we realize that they are being very belligerent about it right now. see what happens with that vote, but obviously, everyone is going to do the best they can to make sure we as democrats don't allow our economy to collapse. i'm sorry that the republicans don't take that responsible action with us as well. >> is reconciliation off the table for increaing the debt ceiling? >> that is an impossible thought to me. how we would go back and amend a reconciliation bill. minority leader mitch mcconnell
has thrown that out. it's never happened before. it's a long process and not to me clear at all that even can happen. so i'm not paying attention to that. >> if you do pass a short-term funding bill what will change with this impasse between republicans and democrats in that short term, in that maybe few weeks you have until you have to take it up again? >> are you talking about the debt ceiling? >> yeah. >> i am hopeful that our business community, that our families across this country, will tell republicans, be responsible. just as democrats have had to be responsible under the trump administration. and other republicans. let's do this and not make it into a political crisis. we do not need this right now. we have too many issues going on in our country, from covid to families who are hurting, to people who want to make sure their kids are safe in schools. this should not be an added problem by the republican party to our country, and i hope that they hear that message loud and clear over the next few weeks.
>> back to reconciliation. speaker pelosi and majority leader schumer announced agreement on the reconciliation bill today. what's different about this framework agreement and do you think it could get moderates like manchin and sinema onboard with the reconciliation package? >> everyone is working really hard to find the best way forward with "the" best package possible to help americans get back on their feet and back to work and have the support they need, child care. critical to so many families. making sure there's paid family leave when they are sick they stay home, so they don't continue toin effect other people. making sure that they have access to the job skills they need so that that infrastructure package when we get done has skilled workers to be able to make sure it actually happens. we're all focused on doing the best we can and everybody's working best foot forward to get this done. >> do you think, though, that
the revenue model today could convince people that have been hard to convince up until now? >> i, i've talked to a number of moderates. they want to get to something done too. so we are at the point where the president is working with both the house and senate, everybody involved, to try and find a way we can have an agreement and get the best package possible. >> you met with the president last night along with a number of other senates and members of congress, and some of your colleagues say this 27th is sort of an arbitrary date for an infrastructure vote. do you think that vote is going to wind up being delayed and was the president expressing support of that, of that delay potentially? >> what i do know is this is a house decision. senate already passed this infrastructure bill. it is an important first step. we have an important second step to make sure we are doing the other things to make sure a in this infrastructure package can be implemented. if you don't have a work force, if people don't have child care or skills they need to build our
roads, bridges and highways, we're going to be at another challenge. so it's really critical to get both bills done. >> there are a number of items on your plate. some are hitting dead ends, quite frankly, really piling up. police reform, voting rights. equal pay. gun reform. that isn't to say some of the things on your plates now, you guys are reaching impasse on. rue now how critical is it to show that members of the democratic party when in majority and in control can work together to get things done? >> it's really important but i want us to take a step back. when the president was sworn into office and we got majority by 50-50, not easy, we al know. we were able to pass the first covid package to get shots in arms, reopen schools safely, to get our hospitals supplies needed. to make sure people have the resources to be able to survive
in a really challenging covid environment. we're taking steps now a few months later making sure that our country doesn't just get back to normal but back to a normal that really works for families and faces some of these really huge challenges that we saw ripped open with the covid -- >> aren't just been democrats and republicans. some between progressives and moderates in your own party? >> i wouldn't call them impasses. i would call them everybody comes to this with passion about what they believe, what they need, what they see the investments are, that are most critical at this time and right now we are in the middle of those conversations working to resolve them and i am confident we will. >> senator patty murray, thank you so much for your time. good to talk with you. right now closing arguments in the r. kelly trial after the break, we're live at the brooklyn courthouse with what's happening inside. brooklyn cour happening inside. it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest.
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pieds piper of r&b soon in the hands of a jury. singer r. kelly on trial in new york for federal sex related crimes inside the courtroom right now as his defense attorneys make closing statements. the performer is accused of a variety of crimes including racketeering, sex trafficking and kidnapping. if convicted could face up to life in prison. nbc's ron allen who's outside the courthouse in brooklyn where that trial is taking place joins us now. ron, the prosecution presented their closing arguments over the last day and a half. now it's the defense's turn. what kind of case are they making right now with that jury? >> reporter: put simply, taying basically all of these women are groupies, stalkers and liars trying to make money off r. kelly nap documentary, "surviving r. kelly," saying these women are surviving off of r. kelly. that's what they're basically doing trying to find and point out to the jury what they see as
inconsistencies in the women's stories about what happened. they insist the defense does that these women were in relationships, long-term relationships in some cases that perhaps didn't turn out the way they wanted and now they're trying to cash in and that's basically what their argument is and going through case-by-case, allegation-by-allegation. as many as 11 women accusers came forward during the testimony. the case it built around a half dozen but 11 accusers took the stand. you're right. he faces potentially decades in prison if convicted of this racketeering charge, an umbrella charge basically saying he ran a criminal enterprise like a mob boss about not just his music career but about also finding, recruiting women, employing his staff, his drivers, security people, to do that for his own sexual gratification. that this went on for -- 20
20, 30 years. basically that's the claim. describing him as a predator. imprison women, intimidate them. a lot of serious charges and serious allegations made. we expect to hear more from the defense this afternoon as the case winds down and gets to the jury sometime tomorrow morning or late today. >> thanks for that update. next a rare behind the scenes look how hundreds of police departments are now taking into their own hands. nw taking into their own hands. change in plans. at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan.
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♪♪ turning now to policing in this country. you will remember talks on that bipartisan police overhaul bill collapsed yesterday w the two lawmakers you see here in charge of the effort divided. now the outlook for reform coming out of washington appears pretty bleak. despite that, police departments across the country are trying to take everything into their own hands, adopting a new training program that's already showing up across dozens of states. nbc's shaq brewster got a look at one department working
through that training. shaq, what did you see? >> we have been following these reforms taking hold for some time now. and this new police training addresses an idea, a provision that was inside the george floyd justice in policing act that is now stalled. it addresses the idea of officers intervening when they see misconduct by a fellow officer. look at what we learned. >> i don't want no issues. >> this is new police training on the duty to intervene. >> come on. you can't do this. >> officers learning the best way to follow an increasingly standard police department policy, reinforced after the murder of george floyd. >> i appreciate you guys having open minds with respect to this training because it is important for us. >> reporter: d.c. metro police gave nbc news rare access inside their tactical training facility as veteran officers were put through mock scenarios. >> anything we could have done differently in that scenario? >> reporter: instructors
reinforcing how officers should intervene. >> what you did, leon, was perfect. whatever was wrong with the officer that we were speaking to, you recognized it, separated him, and you calmed it. >> reporter: it is about bad practices it's not just about intervening, but accepting it. >> saying you are right, let me take a step back. >> the able project was launched last year, spreading quickly, 179 agencies in 38 states are now able certified, touching more than 100,000 officers nationwide. >> you really ramped up quickly right after george floyd's death? >> we did. but we also wanted to be very intentional to make sure that no one was just going to use this as window dressing. >> reporter: requiring all departments commit to strict standards before receiving the no-cost training materials. >> the very best thing that able
is about is the story that was never told. if nobody ever knows anything, because i stopped it before it could happen, we're good. >> reporter: hoping to shift police culture by replicating the success of other peer intervention strategies seen in cockpits, hospital rooms, and in a national campaign credited with dramatically reducing drunk driving deaths. >> friends don't let friends drive drunk. >> police officers don't allow other police officers to negatively engage community and do things that are not consistent with our values as an agency. >> how do you evaluate whether or not this is work? >> when you recover a gun you don't know how many lives it saved with that gun being recovered. we don't know how many lives this is going to said but i would rather err on the side of caution, that they have this rather than they not have this. >> reporter: it is being implemented throughout the department ands in a far cry
from what activists and politicians were calling for in the sweeping legislation. but it shows that even if congress isn't responding to the changes that were called for last year you can have change at local levels. >> thank you for reporting shaq brewster. we appreciate it. thank you for watching this hour of hallie jackson reports. "deadline: white house" starts right after this quick break.
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day of breaking news in the january 6th investigation in the howls. as politico reports, quote, the march to unearth donald trump's january 6th secrets has shifted into a sprint. news this afternoon in the "washington post" suggests a major legal clash is on the near horizon. president biden's white house now leaning toward turning over against donald trump's wishes, information to congress about what the former president and his aides were doing during the insurrection. it's a move the post describes this way, quote, as a decision that could have significant political and legal ramifications. the expresident has said he will cite executive privilege to block such requests from the house select committee but the "washington post" says this, quote, president biden's white house plans to err on the side of disclosure, given the gravity of the events of january 6th. that's according to two people familiar with discussions who spoke anonymously to describe the private discussions. with regard to white house deliberations over what to