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does fantastic writing and reporting, all there for you on the blog. check it out. thanks for tuning in. appreciate you being here tonight. hand it over now to "all " th chris hayes which starts right now. tonight on "all in," the antivax gft. why would a political movement do so much to sicken its own supporters? >> science shows the vaccine will not necessarily protect you. >> maybe it doesn't work and they're not telling you that. >> blockbuster new reporting on "the daily beast" on who is getting rich sowing vaccine fears. katie porter on the infrastructure negotiations and called the white house three times same day fundraising lobbyists opposed to the budget, at is kyrsten sinema up to?
and how could ted cruz embarrass himself in hearing he didn't even attend? we'll explain, "all in" starts now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. if you're watching this show, probably the kind of person who gets fundraising emails from politicians and groups. we need your help to fight for something you care about, click here to donate now. email and text donation messages are to reach and and touch your emotions. pressing buttons to see what gets reaction to measure it. explains a lot of what happens in politics, particularly on the right. conservatives pioneered this. for decades a huge part of the movement, a breakthrough discovery, is beefed up direct
mail marketing grift in which they pump people full of rage, then take their money. i will never forget visiting my beloved grandfather, a staunch republican, rock conservative whole life, and on the kitchen counter a stack of mail how bill intonas turning the country into a marxist hell and you had to write a check to stop it. reason i bring this up, show you fundraising emails from the republican national committee, one half of the parties in this country. and they explain a mystery. why would a politicalmovement, conservative movement in this country, do so much to try to sicken and even kill off its own followers? take a step back to look what right has done and said about covid, constantly pushing messages that contradict medical and public health advice,
messages that have their own people seeking out quack cures, protesting vaccines and mask mandates and tangibly endangering people who support them. seems sociopathic and irrational and can't overstate the cost. i'll never get used to it, understand it, be okay with it. last few months through the delta wave, tens of thousands have died needlessly. still losing 2,000 a day, vast majority of whom were not vaccinated. huge portion who did not get the vaccine and got sick or died did so because conservatives they trusted told them not to. >> this is lunacy, we should not go long with it, nothing to do with medicine, a terrifying precedent if we let solidify we will deeply regret. this is not about covid, this is about the existence of rational
decision making in this country and personalutonomy. >> nothing to do wh medicine, that's what ty're saying, it's liberal plot, libs trying to shove it down their throats, tyranny, why would a movement do that? big reason is at it sells. and people selling it do not care how my people get sick or die. it's really not unlike what we saw with purd pharma and saler empire. that empire and country nearly single-handedly plunged this nation into opioid epidemic we'retill in that killed hundreds ofhousands of people and they did it because it was profitable. could buyancy stuff and give money to musms. so the republican national committee emails, rn started blasting these out in weeks llowing president biden's announcement that federal workers and employees at large
companies would have to have employees vcinated or tested weekly. here's one, plan to launch a massive lawsuit against biden to endis authoritarian vaccine mandate, implores them to donate now. asked for $45, presumably in honor of the 45th president, to stand with the gop to fund un-american vaccination mandate. like the ones in every 50 states for every kid to go to school, those mandes. another took a dire tone, asking the read, are you going to join the fight or sit on the sidelines. or your freedoms are irave danger, y must step up tond the evil vaccine mandate or all will beost. all will be lost. this is par for the course. whole conservativ movement understands there is real energy he. there's political and personal
profit to be made. today the intercept reported on hacked data they received showing a network of right-win health care providers have made millions of dollars selling debunked treatments like hydroxychloroquinend ivermectin. close ties to right-wing efforts to undermine public health, including the tea party patriots. enuraged various 2022 gop candidates, advising to lean heavily into anti-covid mandate messaging viewing it as perhaps a winning issue. and then the benefits for right-wing media machine. listen to this close. one fox news insider succinctly
described the segments as quote, great for ratings. another current fox employees, numbers clearly demonstrate there are fewer subjects these days that get our viewers more excited or engaged than those kinds of segments. i'm sure it's true. they know what they're doing over there. issue rates, that's wh leading into it, despite getting viewers killed. despite they have their vaccine mandate. 90% of full-time employees reported they are fully vaccinated after the company, wait for it, mandated everyone to report their vaccination status. oh, my god, that's a private decision, how dare they. d would be soon iroduci day testing for those unvaccinat. five times more oneus than the weekly manda by biden.
they d't call out tir employer, they could if they had courage, if you think it's tyranny, d that on air, but you won't. i'm wiing to bet you neay all the peopleho go on air every night and rail against it are vaccinated, their loved ones are vaccinated. they're selling this poison cause it is profitable for them. and they truly do n care. i don't know what's in their hearts, can only judge their actions. do not seem to care if people who watch them get killed as a result. and yes, there are actl huma beings taking last breaths with plastic tube down their throa saying goodbye to loved ones over ipad, universes of memories and life experiences snuffed out forever but guess what, it's great for ratings. it even more more morally obscene, as we have incredibly
solid evidence that vaccines are safe and effective and the mandates are also. not just at fox news, a place with stricter policy thanhe biden administration has required of private employers. which seems to care more about its employees than viewers. in new york mandate went into full effect this week, appears to have pressured thousands of holdouts to get the shots. more than 8,000 workers in health care system were unvaccinated. dropped to just over 10% of the work force. north carolina hospital system, mandated vaccines and suspended 375 unvaccinated workers last week given five days to comply. almost 200 of the suspended workers received first dose by friday. massachusetts state police, it's been a theme. police unions describing it as tyranny, chicago where the union boss compared it to literal
naziism. said just one of the troopers retired, despite the claims tt dozens plan to resign. 80% of its members are vaccinated. thanks to folks in conservative movement spreading misinformation or flirting with it, there's a small hardened minority past persuasion and way to get them to do it is require it. stop fighting culture wars, get the shot. fighting requirements is way to ensure more people don't get vaccinated and more die because ratings are good. that's the stark reality of the situation. senior political reporter at "the daily beast" where he reported on the fundraising frenzy, it's a great piece, talk to me what you heard from sources how this isorking as fundraising tool, place they have granular metricsbout what
pitches are and are not working. >> i love it when you bring me on and can start with mething this thoroughly depressing for your audience, apologize for that. but talk to operatives and honcs within the mainstream republican nationa party and upper echelon of trump world and talk about what is clicking in the data they're looking at and experiences dealingith individual candidates running ahead of the 2022 midterms and in trump's case possibly ahead of white house run again. main thing that really energizes their base right now,hing you need in republican primary is hollering on and on and on about vaccine mandates, and how these things are being imped on you,
supposedly by biden or nasty democrats, are virtually satanic. that's profitable in variety of ways, politically and financially profitable and oftentimes those run on concurrent track. ifou loo atundraising appeals, you showed some on the screen earlier, from the national gop, again this is not from the fringes, state or local. >> exactly. >> this is from the rnc, headqutered in washington, d.c.. look at fundraising appeals from donald trump and his large-scale fundraising and political apparatus, they lean very, very heavily into all of this antivaccine and antivaccine mandate hysteria. donald trump is selling t-shirts off this while thousands upon thousands of new corpses are lining up across america. that is -- i don't know if you could figure out a more extinct
definition of the horrors of late capitalism but that's certainly up there. >> and it's important for people to understand these choices o ching energy are things operators in political or market system will chase. it's just people make decisions about what they're willing to bearmorally, what their conscience will allow. that quote about it's great for ratings is succinct and probably true. >> fox news spokes people, if you get on phone with them about a story they're displeased with, they're not shy trying to yell your ear off. when we tried to reach out to people about our reporting about the multiple fox news insiders telling us that oh, they're saying it's great for ratings, this is when you look at numbers
what really does it for us, i didn't pick up on a hint of yelling. there was nobody upset with that. there was nothing to say on the record in terms of rebutting this thing you would think would be damning in any other context. if somebody tried to do a remake of a paddy chaeki film would be big deal. surgeon general under president joe biden, formerly under president obama. start with your assess. of the efficacy of various policies as they play out and hit deadlines across the country in variety of different contexts. >> well, when it comes to the
vaccine requirements, they do work to increase vaccination rates. seen it with covid and long before. ask the question why in our country do we have high rates of vaccination for measles, mumps and rubella, it's because we require them among school children. that's why as people go through school as you and i did, and many others through the years, we were required to get vaccines and hence were able to contain measles for large part in the united states. look at covid-19, what is happening in recent weeks with vaccine requirements, seeing health systems like henry ford in detroit go from 68% vaccination rate to 98% for health care workers after instituted requirements. two of the major hospital systems in maine go to more than 99.5% after requirements were in place. seeing it in private compaes as well. bottom lin is our experience
during and before covid with vaccine requirements are clear. they work, they increase the vaccination rate and ultimately they protect a save lives. >> should be clear too, to the extent we have polling on th, secondary to public health effects but polling is general support, ght? in terms of most federal employees, 56%, companies with 100-plus employees,58%. alth care workers, 60%, seems like no-brainer. what is the other -- my question is, we're 40th in the world in ccination rates. what are the other policy levers lying on the table to be pulled to get us higher? >> well, it's very important question, chris. we have a number of measures we can take to contain covid, vaccinations are most critical
pathway to get through the pandemic. requirements that the president announced two weeks ago are going to be critical there. keep in mind you haven't seen the full force of those yet in terms of the impact they're going to have on vaccination rates. we're just starting to see that. there's more to come there. we also know one of the profound barriers we're facing to people getting vaccinated is misinformation crisis we have in our country. there are a lot of well-intended and well-meaning people who want what all of us want, protect their health and health of their families, yet being misled, sometimes intentionally, sometimes unintentionally by misinfmation on social media and other forms of media and led them to turn away from helpful measures like vaccines and turn toward things absolutely unproven like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as treatments. we have no evidence whatsoever they're actually helpful in
preventing or treating covid-19. earlier in the summer i issued a surgeon general's advisory on alth misinformation precisely for this reason, chris. if we're really going to tackle the covid crisis and get people vaccinated, you've got to hold technology companies accountable for what is happening on their platforms, for the spread of information they're in many cases allowing, also examine our own practices and recognize we sometimes unintentionally share information that's not based in science and can mislead people. if you're not sure it's rooted in science and coming from credible sources, don't share, you could be harming other people heal. dvivemurjy, thank you for your time. >>hank you, chris. katie porter, icoc whiteboard and expert ability to cut to hea of things could lead those on other side of the
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clean energy payments to utilities. points out that apple ceo tim cook sits on the board of the roundtable with 12 other influential ceos, they're running ads on facebook to attackheeconciation tax ra. reach outor commen they didn get bk t us. there' a nber ofeople on e boar it'normou force alon withe u. cmber of commer, alspposinhe bi. laely h corpote amecas whole wghs in o lislati ast reay car. you'r a comnyupportg the grps going to war agast keacetsf the bill wha yore doiperatially is opsing it whatever statements you put out about clean energy not withstanding. and corporate america is fighting this bill. biggest opponent, u.s. chamber
of commerce promised to do everything they can to block the reconciliation bill. congresswoman katie porter is knee deep in negotiations, she joins me now. good to have you, congresswoman. first of all, you're in a district, redistricting is happening, so presumably might change. but it's a pretty split district with a lot of swing voters. do you feel confident going back to your district and saying i'm proud to have voted for the build back better bill in full and be able to convince you're constituents it's a good vote? >> absolutely, my constituents know what is in the build back better agenda is what they need. they know that, they voted for president biden and this is his agenda we're supporting that deals with real problems families are facing in my district and across the country. difficulties in affording child
care, cost of college, care to take care of seniors. climate action, that's what's in the bill, widely supporting. democrats, republicans, independents, polling is very strong. they want us to get it over the finish line, that's what i'm here in washington to do. >> how much opposition has there been from corporate america on this? business undtable this august said the massive new spending we to materialize, inflation risks would increase dramatically, undermining recovery. seeing lots of activity on "k" street against the bill. how much do you feelhat as a member? >> i don't take corpote pac 91 and didn't come to fight for b corporations but a strong economy for all americans, i'm goingo vote for bill that puts american peoe first. it's important american pple are the voices we're listening
to as we leave nobody behind in the economic recovery. >> many of the things you mentioned are in the build back better bill but not in the bipartisan physical infrastructure bill that's passed. talk about child care and community college and elder care and big climate stuff, that's not in the bipartisan bill that passed the senate. so there's a fight right now brewing. nancy pelosi said there's a vote thursday on the bipartisan bill. house progressive caucus is not going to vote for it because package deal and will vote for both when they can but afraid of getting hung out to dry if they don't pass it. where are you on it? >> i plan to vote no on the infrastructure bill until there's assurance that the build back better plan will pass. we can't leave anybody behind. american people work in lots of different industries and
occupations and face lots of different challenges, not just roads, bridges, airport and transit. but challenges regarding child care, the greening of the economy, college costs. we need assurance from the senate we're able toass the agenda, all the different pieces that american people elected him and us tdo. >> some of the most ferocious lobbying and some has been successful if you look at ways and means commiee have be on things small group of corporate interests care about. corporate t rate going up, estate tax, very tiny small group of wealthy heirs, prescription dru benefit, letting medicare negotiate for prescription dru. are you confident you can
overridehat special interest oppotion? >> i'm absolutely confident we can. american people across the ideological spectrum support these things. want a fair tax system in which everybody pays fair share, including the largest corporations and most wealthy americans and want us to enforce the tax code fairly, close looples and make sure everybody in america he to do what the rest of us everyday americans do, pay our fair share. polling on things, allowing medicare to negotiate drug prices is onef the best polling issues. president trump supported doing this when he ran his campaign. he did not deliver, which is why it's up to president biden and us to do so. >> i had forgotten that detail. congresswoman porter, thank you very much. >> thank you. one of the democratic holdouts in the senate held a
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amidst all t cousion and stuff abo procure,ant t nter tngs a liteit. prlem f psidentoe bid d democra rightow i clear. withhe narrost posble majority in the senate, they need all 50 democratic senators to agree unanimously on legislation. two democrats have emerged as face of opposition to t agenda, joe manchin and kirsten sinema. say what you will about senator manchin, represents a state that donald trump won in 2020 and he's articulated the basis of his opposition to the current proposal. he thinks the $3.5 trillion
spending over the years isoo high wants me mns testi and mit t spe of e benefs of theill. i think hsdaerousl destruively wrong about the bstanc of tholitic but at ast ty'reangibl demands. to qte the big lowski tlt it's an ethos. not clear that sinema is invested in the agenda at all and has been focused on looking out for wealthy and special interests. during the summer recess, most senators spend with families in districts, attended a paid wine making internship in california at winery that held a fundraiser r her campaig r by founder
of large equity firm that also donated to her campaign. i guess would be fun but i don't know. you look no further than today, met with the white house twice on the future of the bill, going back a third time i just saw. and democrats feverishly looking to put together a compromise she ll support, "new york times" reportser schedule including a fundiser wh fiv gros looking to kill the opposition ready to write checks to sinema. i may not agree with senator manchin's politic but seems like he's articulating what he wants and trying to get to yes, but senator sinema on the other hand is alternating between vineyard internship and gets checks from oppositionroups. served alongside then congresswoman kyrsten sinema, she joins me now. wh do you think of -- i have
found joe manchin's explicitly articulated objections in som ways reassuring, you can't negotiate if you're not giving counters, it's something to work with. i don'know what is going on with sinema. what do you think of the read of the difference between them right now? >> i think you've got it exactly right. does seem to me at least publicly senator manchin has articulated his concerns with the legislation and is actively working to try to negotiate. i think he wants to get to yes, and my conrn about senator sinema, apar from the fundraising which i tnk is very, very problematic,ne of the reasons we need the for the people act to pass, but if you look at the voters in arizona, this is orwhelmingly supported by a majority of voters in arizona. and among democrats, also her
constituents, the numbers are in the 90s in terms of support for the build back better agenda. so it is the president's agenda and i'm concerned about any senator, democratic senator, who would put on the line to possibly tank t president's agenda because it effecvely takes democrats out of the running for the majority in the house and in the sate. it's very problematic. >> yeah, polling on sinema is fascinating, new polling data, a little bit of a test case, sinema and kelly from the same state with similar overall numbers but kelly very approved by democrats, very disapproved by republicans but sinema is close, although in race against a republican unclear h that helps you. both w their seats with
different approaches here. as someone who served with her in the house, do you have a read on what's the deal? >> well, i mean my experience of senator sinema in the hse was she did spend a lot of time caucusing with republicans. even on very minor issues. so i think this is a longstanding probm, and it is -- you know it's a allenge, i think, for the majorit leader, for senator schumer, trying to make sure there are 50 votes in support of the build back better plan as well as the infrastructure that's already passed. so i don't know what the answer is, but i do think part of the answer is arizona voters calling her to task. you look at the wide gap between her and mark kelly, up for re-election next year, senator sinema is not up until 2024 but
her numbers havbeen going progressively down overast year from h vote on the minimum wage to where she is right now. >> gave that very, very notorious thumbs down vote on the minimum wage. current member of the house caucus says one senatorrom state biden carried, her colleague on board holding up agenda of the entire house. senator refuses to give a number. when is the democratic par going to tell the single sator to get behind the president and in line? that's true, that's the equation. problem is senators are not -- can't tell them what to do. chuck schumer is not their boss. >> well, when i talked to both house democrats and senate democrats, they're incredibly frustrated, particularly with senator sinema. they feel like they can work with senator manchin, we know that number from $3.5 trillion
is going to be something different. heard speaker pelosi say that. but they're not really sure what to do right now with senator sinema. and i do think that among democrats across the country and certainly in arizona, this is not going to go down very well if the president's agenda is not passed. >> and i think -- >> she will be blamed for it. >> i think she will and voters of arizona she will answer to and constituents who feel strongly about this, have means of democratic impact we have to call, write letters, things like that. donna edwards, thanks so much. >> thank you. there's a fight happening across the nation, lawmakers in state houses redrawing lines that could determine the balance of power in congress. new evidence that democrats are joining the fight in powerful and mningful way. we'll explain ahead. plain ahead.
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democrats hold majorities in the state house, so here's what they did. first the house speaker shut republicans out of a power sharing group on redistricting, then the democrats gave their party five of six seats. four democratic seats, one republican seat and one toss-up is how it ended up. this is oregon with an incredibly important seat in portland, three republican seats in the coast and one republican seat in the eastern part of the state. this is what the new map looks like. it basically carves out a new congressional seat which reaches into t east and goes into the city ofbend, which has turned left inecent decades and is growing quickly which means it uld tn the dtrict into a safe democratic seat in the near fure. goodthinking. e gernor signe theills la lastnigh
the demratsookedo win her and it lks lik tydid. there is a similar thing brewing in the new york state legislature where democrats control the state government for the first time in 100 yea and are plotting t take away five republican seats with restrictg. d younow at? i hope they. causeight n is a lawss ruggleor pow on distriing. reformg thi proce ia key rt of lislati that house decratslreadyassed and th senat demratsll suort. the docrati parsn board to rerming this prosso make iore fair. but unless and untilou pass ws to create an eve pying eld, ery state wh decraticovernors and sta houses has a absolute obligation to be as aggressive as possibl at this point. i'm joined now by the psident following the redistricting battles, the senior editor covering the house of representatives for the cook
political report. dave, i've been following you on this and you've been doing great. first look at this. let's go through the different processes these states have, because some states have full democratic control, some have republican control, some have independent commissions. what are the categories of who is deciding this? >> it's a great question. a lot of people are surprised that politicians in most states get to draw the boundaries, but this is true every ten years. republicans have control over 20 states, a total of 187 districts. democrats have a total of eight states, 175 districts, so a big republican advantage, but not nearly as big as 2011 where republicans had the stage. there are a split of 46 districts where courts may end up having to draw the map because there is a partisan deadlock, and there are six states who only have one district and don't need to
redraw their maps. >> places like south dakota, north dakota, wyoming, vermont, alaska. yeah. >> yeah. >> do a little bar trivia there. so there's really something interesting about how -- let's say you have unified control, and this is something i've learned from you. there's different approaches you can take. one is like be super aggressive and try to maximize the number of seats your parties can control, but that's a little bit of intention with padding the margins of your current members for incumbent protection. am i getting that right? explain this tension to me. >> that's right, chris. packing and cracking are the names of the game. you're trying to pack your opponents into as few red or blue districts as possible. in texas we saw republicans come out with a map this week that
gives them 25f the state's 38 seats, or attempts to. actually, that's not much more than ty currently have. one constraint on republicans' ability togerrymander is, first of all, they drew these states last time so they are already rrymandered gerrymandered. but the state is so blue that it represents ticking time bombs. if they weren't revamped in this redistricting, it would fall to democrats in a few years. >> texas is interesting. one aspect of it is it is a relatively defensive incumbent protective map, but it's also notable when you talk about the demographics of the state -- the tribune pointed this out -- that people of color account for 90% state of the's growth in the last decade, but in the new map, there is one-tenth less.
in terms of the racial makeup of the state, it's not necessarily reflecting them. >> you're right. 94% of the growth was non-white, 53% were hispanic and there is not one hispanic seat in the district. they are moving their own seats to higher ground. they did create one new democratic district, or prosing to, in the austin area which a vote to try to shore up the vote. there's also a hispanic surge in texas in the rio grande. that's something to watch as well. >> austin is great when you talk about vos. they won a new district, like a 60-plus biden district. the idea is like if you create districts that are plus 70 for
your opponent, you're using something that can't be used in other places to make them more coestable. >> that's right, you're essentially dilutingour opponents' votes. t's be honest, democrats are going to be dominant in the states they control, illinois and especially new york. they are probably the biggest redistricting map in the country. for example, drawing staten island in with cobble hill and some more prospects -- you get it. >> new york is the big one right now, and new york is interesting becaus you have full democratic control, and you he the new governor kathy houl saying, we're going to play this t.
david wasserman, thank you very much. >> thank you. that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris, much appreciated. when a criminal complaint is filed in a case like this, it's not unusual for an affidavit to ma up the bulk of the complaint. the officer writes up a first person narrative that's an explanation of why the charges were being brought. they explain their background and expertise in law enforcement. the person describes the investigation that led the charges to be filed against this defendant. if the defendant got interviewed before or after the arrest, the fbi agent or the officer will explain what the defendant said in that interview. it's narrative. it explains basically the nature of the evidence, what the in