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ocasio-cortez that this does not have to be today. as glen just says it only gets harder from here. stay with us all day as we cover. thank you for getting up way too early with us this thursday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. >> oh, a lot of dancing. wow. i don't know what that is. i am too old school. >> that's the house stuff. >> it's about creating twerk. open up the hips, boom, boom, boom. these hips don't lie like shakira. >> the hips don't lie, willie, that's what you always tell me. >> a little shakira for you.
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customer tantrums. this is where we are as a country. we are following news from facebook ahead of a hearing on capitol hill, the company attempted to minimize its own research about its track record on children and teens' mental health. >> leave it to facebook to try to doctor their own. it's a busy day on capitol hill, chuck schumer announced last night democrats have reached a deal with republicans to avoid a shutdown. a vote will take place on a stopgap funding bill to keep the government open through early december. the bill does not include a debt limit increase. the house is expected the take up the measure once it's passed by the senate. nancy pelosi told reporters last night her plan is still to bring the bipartisan infrastructure bill to the floor for a vote today despite threats from
progressives to sink it unless there is a second far larger package containing their spending priorities. >> is there any chance that you will pull the bill tomorrow? >> the plan is to bring the bill to the floor. >> are you worried that you may not have any votes? >> at the same time democratic senator joe manchin issued a statement that seems to close the door on any hope. he'll help his party pass the reconciliation bill. it reads in part quote ", what i made clear to the president and democratic leaders that spending trillions more on new ex pended government programs when we can't pay for the essential programs like social security and medicare is the definition of fiscal insanity." here is manchin speaking with reporters after he released that
statement. >> in your statement, you mentioned trillions of dollars of spending - what's your response to that? >> well, we are looking at everything. we all agreed on doing tax reform. >> and here is how progressives reacted to those comments. >> he needs to give us an offeror this whole thing is not going to happen. his statement created a bunch more votes on the house floor against bipartisan bill. >> i am not sure what's going to happen tomorrow. my understanding from friends in the house that bill will not pass. at the end of the day you got 95% of house members, democratic caucus, 95% of the senate senate democratic caucus, the american people, the president of the united states want to pass this
legislation. if the infrastructure bill does not go forward. what we now need to do is to make sure we cut a strong reconciliation bill of both important pieces of legislation can pass it. >> there is a lot of hammering going on. the reason democrats are having this problem right now because they have senators from west virginia in states that donald trump won. 69% votes. they are democrats there. you got somebody who polls very well in maricopa county. kirsten sinema has support much like susan collins. this is what national parties look like and they are working through. . >> we'll see if they are effective party or not.
here is joshua, sinema picked up a good share of republicans of 2018 and still has support from them. jonathan lemire, and our analyst/host, john and elizabeth. you know this is awfully disturbing for democrats. this is disturbing for democratic activists and bloggers, this is disturbing for podcasters. this is what a functioning party national looks like. democrats should be celebrating that they have such problems that they got to run a majority.
>> yes. they are not celebrating at all because it's looking, looking pretty grim for this infrastructure bill today. nancy pelosi says she's going to put it on the floor. there is a lot of skepticism about that and it's entirely possible by the end of the day she will pull it and say we'll try it again a later day. it's possible. we know she does not put anything on the floor that she does not think it will pass. we still have not heard from senator sinema and manchin abbott line number for what they would accept in what manchin called "fiscal insanity," that's not resolve. so there is a great deal of skepticism of this
infrastructure bill will happen today. >> it may not happen today. you are right though. the frustration really has come mainly towards sinema who many believes is being too clever by half, not giving a number, going to the white house repeatedly and not even allowing joe biden to get progressives. both she and senor manchin sending a report that's causing the real frustration. >> right, we had a story today out of arizona, the democrats in arizona are very frustrated with senator sinema right now. she sees herself as a john mccain figure, a maverick, she's not heating into pressure at this moment right now.
>> sorry, elizabeth. go ahead. >> go ahead, it's fine. >> so john, you have been up in capitol hill all week covering the twists and turns of this watching as democrats trying to make this. first, to elizabeth's point, can pelosi bring this up for a vote? most believe she has to pull it because two dozen democrats are going to vote no unless the infrastructure bill is tied to the reconciliation package which will not be today certainly. what happens there? looking ahead, how do they get through this? what's the way to the other side if you look at sinema and progressive caucus who wants these two things tied together. how do they get through it? >> there is no world where the infrastructure bill is going to pass today. not only reconciliation agreement, there is not a framework or not even a number
from sinema or manchin. pr progressives have held the wire for this. they had none of that. the progressive votes will not be there. kevin mccarthy says he'll not let any republicans vote for this. she did not have the votes. can she bring it to the floor? yes, of course she can bring it to the floor. we have seen she's done that. to say pelosi promised the moderates to bring the bill for a vote this week, she can make a good promise and make it go down and turn them and say see guys this is what happens, if we
don't have the votes on board you can do what you want. she would have to pull it at the end of the day because again it's not going to happen. to go to joe's point. not only is there more frustration on capitol hill among democrats, i would say of all sides, moderates, and progressives, there are more frustration right now with sinema than manchin. people feel like manchin is a predictable force. manchin is not saying he won't back reconciliation, he won't back it unless they are paid for. he does not want to spend trillions of dollars on the net. if there is a way to pay for that spending, he could be open to reconciliation. people think manchin has politics he hates but at least predictable. many people in the white house as being a huge problem because
it's totally unclear what she wants. she has played this game, she's infuriated the white house who regards her as mysterious and irrational and to go to elizabeth's point of the politics of it. joe manchin is the only democrat that'll be elected from virginia. it's a state that has a lot more political latitude for her to play than joe manchin has. she's playing hide the ball than manchin is. i think the question is to your final question, what happens? they got to crack the kirsten sinema code for whatever it turns out to be. that puts the country in a crazy place. >> well, joe manchin also works around the clock like the former governor that he was. he talks to republicans and
democrats all the time. they come on his house vote and he's in constant communications with him and telling him all the time whether it's mitch mcconnell what he thinks of the january 6th commission or whether he's telling schumer of what he thinks the ccompromises. there is a constant line of communications with joe manchin on both sides. and i saw somebody yesterday writes that manchin is the type of person that can make that statement and comes in and expect the $2.5 trillion reconciliation bill. maybe it's 2.5 or $2.25 million. most people think because he's done this before because he's a pro at the game that he's got no problem using leverage getting that number down from 3.5 to
2.5, where ever that number may rest. kirsten sinema, very frustrating on all sides because she seems to be directionaless right now. let's bring in john that lemire. a real test for joe biden saying i can make washington, d.c. works and i can negotiate with the other side. here he needs to negotiate with his own side. how frustrated is the biden gap and what plans do joe biden have to get these two reluctant senators to come on board and get this package passed? >> biden ran for office saying i had four decades in washington and this is my process. i hear people out and i let both
sides vent and come to the middle. that's the approach this time too and so far it has not worked. a lot of frustrations for a lot of democrats beyond the two senators we all talked about. other democrats have been ignored. they question the white house's outreach here. hey, you are taking our votes for granted. a lot of progressives are saying we are not going to go along with this. that's what puts the votes in such jeopardy today. the president has stepped up his outreach. i was with him yesterday when he went to a congressional baseball game with the nats. he worked the phone while he was there and speaker pelosi both in the dugout in the phone trying to whip up votes. there is talk that he may head up to capitol hill or he may
head back to delaware. this does not have to get done today but it only gets harder, most people feel if it does not. if more time passes and more sides get dug in, it may be difficult. the bipartisan deal and this rec reconciliation package. this is the blow to biden. there is a lot at stake here today, certainly a consequential day we have seen on capitol hill for this president's term. we'll hear from him. he's going to be rallying democrats across the party with of course their focus on those two senators to get it done. >> and another layer to what's going on this week in washington. all of this as the house passed
another bill to extend the debt ceiling, 219-212. the legislation suspend the debt limit until september 16th next year. it's expected to fail in the senate as mitch mcconnell promised. so joe, speaker pelosi has ruled out using reconciliation here. manchin says it would be risky. what happens here? >> well, it depends. are democrats going to keep acting like democrats in the past or are they going to tear a page and look for republicans and have chuck schumer and others go up to mitch mcconnell, listen, here is the deal. we are not going to use reconciliation to pass this
bill. hey, mitch, we are going to give you 50 votes. the debt limit can be increase. so america's credit rating won't collapse. the markets won't buckle. you will have all 50 democratic senators voting for this. if you want to have a government default on its debt. that's up to you. we are not going to do reconciliation. it's risky, our members won't do it. every single democrat is going to vote. if you want to wreck the economy, it's going to be you. if you are a weak leader and you can't get ten republicans supporting this. 10 out of 50? if you can't get 10 republicans supporting this, guess who it's going to be on?
he's got to say it and mean it and walk away from it. when by the way, the government defaults on its stat, he needs to stay still and wait for those republicans to come one by one to actually be responsible. this is pretty extraordinary he say yes, i know we have to pass the debt ceiling and raise the debt ceiling limit. i know if we don't have it raised, it's going to wreck our market and the economy. we are not going to do it. this is the point where democrats have to learn how to play a little bit more like republicans and say we are going to give you 50 votes and if you don't give us our 10 votes, it's all on you. we'll sit here wait it out until you find 10 republicans that
actually gives a damn by the country. >> we talked previously by mcconnell's standards that the statement, we know we need to raise the debt limit and for people's 401ks and people's pensions and all that stuff. we know it's going to happen, we are not going to be apart of it. the most political thing you can say and even by mcconnell, it's a grotesque display and i think the question that you are raising, implicit in your advise is whether democrats are willing to play that game of chicken and whether they'll be willing and this is a question of political dialogue in some level. if we actually did hit the debt
ceiling limit, secretary yellen says it's october 18th now. even a couple of days for the stock market for instance could be so bad that joe biden and the democratic leadership maybe afraid that the consequences would be so bad for everybody that they don't want to take that risk. that's always the democratic play book in the past. not only we have to be responsible but we are afraid of the political consequences. this is a question of a matter of nerve and political dial. could they pin it on republicans, will they be successful doing that? do that have the confidence in themselves they would make it stick. even if it was 24 or 48 or 72 hours before they get something passed. it could be mayhem and the economy. there is no higher stakes game in this game.
we'll get to see when we get there if they decide not to do the reconciliation pass. we'll see what all sides are made up here. >> we have seen republicans what they are made of. they are reckless. their leader has said we know it has to pass and rec the market and the economy. if it does not pass, we'll not going to help you pass it everyday. democrats need to have a vote on this everyday between now and the date of the default. they need to post the 50 democrats who voted for it and on the other side they need to put the republicans who voted for it and have a big zero. i wonder if mit romney wants the economy to crash. i wonder if ben sass wants the economy to crash. i wonder if responsible republicans want the economy to crash. will lisa murkowski blindly
follow leadership over the cliff as market buckles and the economy crashes? are they that loyal to a party that they see all 50 democrats voting to increase the debt limit? to save our economy and mark and they're not going to vote for them because they are told not to vote. who are these people? they won't vote for it to save the economy because they are being told by leadership not to save the economy? come on! democrats, listen to me! listen to me! you are giving them the 50 votes. give them nothing els and start telling them today. look, mitch, whoever you want to look chuck. look at them in the eye and say you are going to get our 50 votes, that's all you are go i
think to get. if the economy crashes, you are going to get 50 votes. look at me in the eyes, do you see anything in here that you are going to change? 50 votes. that's all you are going to get from us. if you can't get 10. then the markets crashing, the economy buckling, the recovery dying. it's going to be on all 50 republicans that would not do the responsible thing for this country, would not vote to raise the debt ceiling to pay for debt that you and donald trump piled up on us, record deficits, record debt. this does not seem hard. i got to say -- this does not seem hard to me. i know it's hard to democrats because they don't think that way. they need to start thinking that way. >> all right. >> i am not done yet.
>> okay, coach. can i have a witness. >> i want to end where we began. i want to go to elizabeth again. elizabeth, i want to talk about how do we solve a problem like kirsten? another thing about joe manchin is manchin talks to reporters. he's constantly communicating, this is where i am and this is what i think that way. yesterday sinema was outside the elevators and the media asked her, where are you? your colleagues want to know where you are. she says i am in the senate. where are you on this bill? i am standing by the elevator. that's it. she's just not ready for primetime. >> well, the white house does
send out encouraging signals and saying that they seem to think is possible they can make a deal with her. the question is no one public ly knows where she is on any of this. she's an unusual member of the senate. is she willing to blow up her president's agenda on her own. is she willing to send the party down on this path on her own. that's a big question. we don't have an answer to that. i don't know how she gets the votes. i know the white house is frustrated with her and there is tensions inside and the meetings we have heard about that. she's not facing reelection any time soon. she prides herself on her maverick side. i don't know how you deal with her and what the answer is the next 24 hours.
what's so perplexing is a democratic member of the senate would blow up the democratic president's big agenda. as jonathan says earlier, everything in biden's domestic policies are in this bill. this is his entire presidency in these bills. he needs to get it through before midterm starts and in earnest next year. i don't have an answer for you how you do it. i don't know who our staffers are, i don't know any of them but it looks bush-league. give the president of the united states a number. if she thinks $3.5 trillion is too much. i think $3.5 trillion is too much. if she thinks it's too much, maybe it's 2.5 trillion. maybe she thinks it's $1.57 trillion. at least give this number to the president and start the negotiations there. continuing to play hide the
ball. not what you want to do when the stakes are so high for your party, for your president or your country. >> still ahead on "morning joe," we'll be joined by three members of congress. congresswoman slotkin and senator tim kaine and congresswoman ilhan omar. plus, the house committee is issuing a new subpoenas for january 6th. the new episode, fear and loathing in red sox nation. it's available on spotify. >> you know they won last night. you know what they say in boston. it's the hoax.
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facebook will detail the company's effort to better protect children and teens online including defaulting users under the age of 16 to private accounts when they join instagram. ahead of those hearings, facebook released its own internal research regarding the impact of instagram on teenagers. according to "the washington post." the document discounts the social media's own research and user harm. as it prepares to face questions before congress today. the paper continues the research decks, one called hard life moment and mental health deep dive, features internal research into instagram's effects on adults and teens' mental health.
down playing the findings and saying the company's annotations cast out on a scope of its own research. cnet reports, one and five teens say instagram makes them feel worst about themselves. the research also confirms the journal reporting instagram makes body image issues worst for roughly one and three teen girls. 33%. >> 32.4% of teen girls in the survey said they felt instagram made body image worst. >> the internal documents are damming. the fact they are going through it and annotaing it, if it were so tragic, it would be funny.
this would be tobacco company going back and annotaing we found a product that cause lung cancer. what we meant to say is cool and refreshing. it makes you look cool when you stand in a bar. instagram can't clean this up. their own documents say their products make young girls likely to kill themselves or suffer from anxiety, more likely to have suicide ideation. how long will mark zuckerberg be allowed to get away with this? >> the problem that facebook and instagram have as we have seen the documents, thanks to the outstanding reporting of the wall street journal so they can try to gaslight and say here is all we knew. we have seen the entire facebook and documents that laid out the case that you just made.
if they had the "good morning ball to go up on capitol hill and pretend of all this. what will congress do today? what will the questions be and what do they propose to do about it? if facebook and instagram are not going to police themselves, what can congress do? what are the tools of their disposal to help protect young girls around this country and around the world. >> you have to be a certain age to drink alcohol and cigarettes. they would put an electoral it, too. >> i know 11 years old that have instagram accounts. they're all out there.
>> elizabeth, i am not exactly sure why but we have always looked at the internet and these tech giants the same way we look at wall street banks when they're talking about credit default swaps. what can we do to keep up with these tech companies and congress just dropped the ball. the administration, the past several administrations have just dropped the ball. it's our girls and our teenagers who are suffering because of it. >> it's also, it basically ungovernable. the company itself are really, they can't regulate themselves. they keep telling us if they took down all these things and disinformation and misinformation during the elections and it turns out they
are completely, they have no control what they put out over their product. they are publishers like "the new york times" we regulate what we publish. and they remain either in denial because of the vast amount of money they make or just whatever efforts they have have in e effectual. many members are clueness of how you would regulate. i don't see any head way to be made today. we want to turn to the battle to coronavirus. the cdc issued its strongest
guidance urging pregnant women to get the covid-19 vaccine as soon as possible. the virus poses a severe risk during pregnancy. the push extends to women who are trying to get pregnant or those who have recently given birth or breast-feeding. more than expected mothers have died from the virus in august alone. les than a third of pregnant women have been vaccinated. willie. >> mika, the associated press is reporting on a disturbing trend of front line healthcare workers are facing threats and violence over covid-19 safety protocols. a medical center in missouri begun giving out panic buttons to 400 nurses and staffs.
in idaho, nurses are too scared to go to grocery stores unless they have first change of their scrubs. others have been the subject of hurtful rumors spread by people angry about the pandemic. in colorado, a passer by threw liquid at a nurse. in texas, a dallas man shares his frustration. a year ago everyone clapped for us and now we are being ridiculed for what we are tight to do which is depressing and
frustrating. restaurants and hotels are pushing back against ta rise of customer tantrums. some restaurants have began to put up signs that reads "be kind or leave" because of verbal abuse by customers since the pandemic began. restaurants and others and hospitality business, customers are always right and welcome. many are rethinking that philosophy. the paper continues more than 60% of restaurant workers say they have suffered from emotional abuse and disrespect from customers and 78% said their mental health affected in 12 months. that's according to a recent report. >> this is a disturbing trend. >> lit heroes.
>> the idea that people have been fed toxic information online and somehow convince themselves that nurses and doctors are the enemy to the point where they are willing to assault them or screaming at them at grocery stores. it goes back to those information bubbles and feeds that's corrupting and dropping toxic information in to this country. >> yeah, we had story last week from nbc about people plotting, coated patients from icu and showing videos and trying to train other people on how they can pull desperately ill patients out of icus. it's crazy. >> it's beyond crazy. >> you got to be so concerned for those people continuing dying of covid and moving up to
700,000 deaths. there has been big lies after another, not just about elections but covid. we heard that oh, it was just a flu. this is just like the flu. i have friends that says oh, doctors get paid to say somebody who died of something else of covid. test pure stupidity. you look at those numbers in alabama, those numbers don't lie. last year in 2020. more people died in alabama than were born. first time records are being kept. that's not the flew. that's not a hoax. that's what a pandemic looks like. people are being rude to hosts at restaurants and people being rude to flight attendants. john, you can see it when you get on the airplanes. i feel for the flight
attendants. hey, how are you doing? hoping everything goes well. you see the edge on there and we see the reports of people getting up and throwing punches and screaming and yelling because they're being told they have to wear a mask, which is cdc's guidelines. the story about that. it's hard for me and i could be wrong. >> wall street journal. >> i may be wrong. it's hard to not connect the dots back to four years of a president who was worshipped for having a steady stream of abuse comments coming from his social media feed literally everyday. the cruelty was the point.
there had been hateful people on the far left for as long as i can remember. it's not just on one side, i wonder if the uptick is what we have seen from covid and trump supporters going around and trashing displays in target and screaming and yelling and punching people on airplanes. >> look, we traveled a lot last fall and all through the winter when there was not much travel going on during the pandemic. i saw it all the time on trains and planes and hotels, all the
things you are talking about. bad behavior and bad behavior on airplanes for a long time and you see fights over head compartments. the incidents of it is off the chart and a lot is driven by masks and rules of maskmasks. you talk to any of the flight attendants, they're on edge, they had more fights with their customers and travelers and they had in a long time. we saw that incident in new york not long ago or out of towners showing up in restaurants and started throwing punches over having to show vaccine card. people throwing punches, you know? again, i don't want to unfairly characterize them but they are red state tourists.
people being rude is always a bipartisan problem. i don't think any doubt when it comes to covid, that's driven by entirely in the world of not being vaccinated. those are trump's voters and the one that's fed the most misinformation. is madness and there is a period of time where you travel on amtrak, many travelers, the bad behavior was more frequent but it stood out. now those trains are packed. the train is packed with people. i was stunned by the number of people who of course one trip from new york to washington who
i saw people getting in flights with masks. i think your diagnose is exactly right and it's horrifying. it makes me want to walk. if i can just walk. >> to new york, i would. >> did not love that train trick all the way down here. >> be polite. >> be kind. >> be kind to people that are working on trains or planes or working at restaurants. get the hell out. be kind. be polite. they're on their feet all day. stop acting like an entire breath, nobody likes to wear their masks, wear your masks.
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>> it's a real possibility of the not too distant future. >> reporter: that as for a second straight day, general milley defended lloyd austin and mckenzie were grilled over the exit. >> they are being slaughtered right now as we speak with our weapons, our allies are being slaughtered. >> reporter: milley and mckenzie contradicted president biden. >> no one said that to me that i can recall. >> i recommended that we maintain 2,500 troops in afghanistan. >> what did the president know? did he forget what was told to him or was he not truthful.
>> i few it's an inappropriate question. >> you may but the public don't. >>. >> i think you articulating that you would tell him and you will give him a call is worthy of your resignation. >> i would never tick off any enemies. >> liz cheney came to his defense. i want to apologize for this member of the committee who's done so. >> it's despicable and extra credit sidesing a guy who's given his entire life to this country and dedicated his life to fighting for the country and fending for this country and being overseas and being in the war zone throughout much of his
adult life, it's grotesque. it's disgusting. if you server and you are in congress? >> of course, i know that's not possible unfortunately and even with people who have been trained to know better. >> it's unfortunate. joining us now committee woman ellissa slotkin and also secretary of defense for international security affairs. curious after you heard the
testimony, any resurgence of isis and terrorists? >> i think after two days of talking about this in the senate and the house, i think what a lot of us are concerned about is the future. what's going to happen in afghanistan. whether al-qaida or isis is going to be reinstitute. the gentleman sits in front of us answers those questions. that's what most of my constituents want to know. are we safer now than we were 20 years ago? >> congresswoman, you did ask that question about trick wire. go to the white house and say we fleed to go back in afghanistan,
isis-k some way. what did you take away. what should americans know about the united states does have to go back into afghanistan in some fashion and how do you swear that with the requests of general to have 25 troops in afghanistan. joe biden did not listen to them and he never heard that advise. they gave it to him. how do you square the fact that the general wanted troops there to prevent the kinds of things that can happen within six months. >> if you ask americans, whether they are democrats or republicans, after 20 years of, the answer is to come out. >> the answer is yes. >> do you want top make sure they are the latest concept on top of them. >> they said yes. what we need to figure out is a plan forward. >> would we have be better. >> would they be attacked?
>> did anyone like watching the withdraw the way it happened? >> no, no one liked that. >> i think it's very hard peeshl for people who serves to watch this unfold and feel like what were those 20 years for? >> congresswoman, do you see the testimonies, there is certainly concerns. he defended that hey, that's regular channel. that's what we do. what do you make of that? do you have confidence in his leadership and others? >> yes, i just think those people who are criticizing general milley what goes on in a national security apparatus. >> the chairman of the chief called his counter part all over the world.
if we were going to attack and he gave them a heads up, that's one thing. he said it clearly, at the same we was not looking for a fight. he's trying to -- >> let's move on. give us a sense, where do democrats stand right now. >> this is going to be a time where people need to step up and demonstrate to the country that they understand what leadership means. we need people to understand that while i want to get everything done, at some point you have to take a half loaf over a full loaf. bipartisan deal in this town do not have a as long shelf life. we have a bipartisan deal. i hope the speaker and the president are supportive of
putting it forward and getting it done and balking about the additional things we want to do norg. this is his agenda. he wants both of these bills done. >> do you want us to wait for the whole enchilada. i hope he says let's vote on this infrastructure deal now and fight another battle another day. >> i need to hear it clearly from him. from h im >> the pentagon says they can handle the threat from al-qaida. do you buy that? >> well, listen, over the horizon is always harder than
having a strong embassy and present in the country. there is no doubt about it. we can do things of the verizon but it's not efficient. what i asked is a classified briefing. a classified briefing is what we have mission to do. what is our capability and what is our entire a apparatus looks like. >> that's hard to hear after 20 years. >> it's possible to do things. it's much more efficient if we have it in the country and that's what we don't have right now. congresswoman, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> let's talk about the most important thing right now, willie geist. we are talking about the baseball races.
>> last night, american league wild cards. man, look at out for cf. >> seattle can pull into a tie for the red sox. >> thank and red sox has the play off today. they are a great team and they are playing their best baseball. >> we are sending the weekend here. >> a grey shot and making it into the wild card. the yankees lost a tough one last night up in toronto. the roc. so you are set up to get into the playoffs. last night tampa bay roadways krin ch the best record in the american league. they have done that for a second
year in a row. we don't talk enough about their story. >> only 14. the yankees have a payroll three times the size. for the sect year nor a row. that team mla plays in terrible stadium. it really is an extra or nar story. >> i don't boll the number closely. i exec the red sox are one of those 4 and hat the smaller payroll than ta. that's the only thing they can explain how special our bullpen has been. >> i will tell you that's light, got a couple of dpood outings. >> especially came out of the gate looking strong this weekend. if the red sox do their job, they got the weakest schedule
ahead of them. >> yankees have a tough three games ahead of them for the race. also, four-game losing street. they got to win one more again. here in washington so much is about the schedules. the mariners stay home this weekend, they played the angels. >> yankees' plu jay, one more time. those throw games will be sbesing. you already clinched it.
accept that, raise yankees to teach them not like cats. >> boy, speaking of a great team. john hyman, i remember back in the mid-90s, you what had the 20 team. the atlanta braves won 104 games. the giants stayed at home. >> well, this year you got the giants on fire with 114 wins. the dodgers are a couple of games before. >> as you said to me. the dodgers could win 106 games and still be the wild card. >> i mean, even if they lose
their next four dames, they'll finish the season with 102 wins and they'll be the wild card. >> the dodgers are a powerful team. >> joe, you know my hometown team and the san francisco. even though you are supposed to choose between these two seems. >> they are sit tlg with 104 and 102 win. >> it makes everyone in the american league looked pa tret i can. >> you got the cardinals clinched their wild card births. >> the giants conceivably. >> boy, those teams you think about all those teams, joggers and giants and brewers and
cardinals, all teams conceivably can go the whole way. >> don't sleep on the hagsal leap. >> look out for the national league this year, it's a powerful wacced. >> it really is, the giants and dodgers. the best thing in baseball is the st. louis ardales. and began in 2011, he started slowly and somehow got into the playoffs and took off. it's exactly what the cardinals are doing right now. >> they, they finally lost a game after the incredible run of winds they had the casting couple of weeks. all of of a sudden you won 17
games in a local. >> the dodgers are running away. >> in the one game playoffs. >> the cardinals been playing the way they have been playing. the dodgers can be wiped out in about three hours. let's get through the news there. the senators scheduled to vote this morning on a skop gap funding bill to avoid a government shutdown. >> nbc news, capitol hill's grand prairie haaekka. republicans don't want us to shoup the government. democrats who control congress
planning to vote in the senate to avoid a sit down. >> pid cancelling the plan trip to chicago to remain in washington and focusing on breaking the impact between moderates and progressive democrats that's threatening to derail his agenda. >> with progressives planning to block it without a deal to advance, joe manchin says that bill costs too much and the bipartisan bill should passed first. >> clean energy. everything you talked about. >> 96% of myself included of the democratic party is in agreement that we need to pass both bills. >> he's still negotiating to a
good faith. >> we can all win, working family needs california. >> after friday will keep drawing a paycheck. >> this is not in politics. this is my kids' grossi. making sure everyone in my house is fed and happy and clothed. you just can't mess with it. >> jeffery goldberg, and white house's state department. patrick basbar, good to have you all. >> you have nancy pelosi, democrats control washington, but are we about to fine out if
they can run washington. >> one general assumption. i am trying not to sound partisan here. >> the assumption is that democrats don't want to shout government down. i would put a question mark over the second half. i think we have seen a number of equations and a number of years now that there are republican leaders who would like to promote the idea that when they are in charge they can't run a government that it's paralyzed and so they'll do what they can to trip it up. >> we know that populists not only fear of deep state or powerful state government. they feoff of an idea that the government can't pungs and paralyze. >> it note it for the record there. >> tat patrick, you worked in
praum's white house, you are no stranger of this fight. how do we put it together to get something on the finish line. >> what's your read on where . where do they find common around. >> what's nancy move here? >> you were there. >> i remind both progressives and nod moderates right now. >> we are trying to advance healthcare bill, healthcare was under water in terms of popularity in this country. it was the low 50%. >> there are many americans who thought it should be focusing on the economy and infrastructure then. >> seven out of every ten americans support the measure
that's in the larger bill, with the vast majority of democrats but also a majority of independence and a plurality of republicans. >> there is plenty of room here. >> he would not see man which i know and sinema meeting with president biden. >> she says i have gotten my shot in america and it's my duty to make sure everyone gets their shot. i am confident they'll get it done. >> elise, my boys and i are big simpson fans. there were sentencing years and years ago where they showed a
republican national. >> and they went to the national convention and they loosen the battle that says we can't run things. >> here wuf 70% of the american people. you don't need one single republican vote to pass the sweeping infrastructure bills and yet everyday, they're battling each other in the press. i pus say it's personing to say the least if you don't want donald trump and mccarthy to be running in washington for if next couple of years. >> owe, i do though think that joe manchin is doing us a favor to democrats. i think he's doing a favor to moderate democrats by being the
body armour. >> $3.5 trillion is too high. they're not going to get to that number. it's going to up. at the end of the day, it's a number that can be problematic. you look at the unknown and you had inflation. >> it's a safer bet for democrats to go and roll with the $2 trillion which they can get a whole lot done with and have a lot of delibables for voters. >> you are right. >> the $3.5 trillion is shocking to persons. >> looking at the poll, it does do weal in in the polls. >> that's not something that comes back and bites democrats.
democrats will probably work it out. i want to talk to you about something that i talked to others earlier regarding raising the oath debt ceiling. democrats, it's all up to you. >> the party that i used to be in, welcome, we'll give you 50 bucks. >> if you want to break the recovery, go ahead. it's not going to be on us. >> sometimes democrat. republicans are willing to go out and break things until they go break their way. it's something democrats need learn how to do. stare them down. if you want to wreck the economy, it's all on you. we got 60 votes and we'll vote on it receiver single day.
>> joe, you are right. in an instant where they could play harder and make republicans backup that rhetoric and look at the consequences, what it would be for so many voters for cherns if there is a government chinatown and put that blame on prps. >> they'll have to get tougher and start giving back to republicans. >> they'll have to counter what craftiness they're willing to play with. >> they got to knock it off. >> i wanted to use another word in there. >> i decided not to use it.
>> taus it's breakfast time. >> -- >> my kids are a little older now. so any way let me ask you of the $2.5 trillion. i know these are policies and very poll lamar. is there moderate democrats that are not concerned at least where i live. >> it's certainly, alicia just articulated some parameters and bottom line. i think senator manchin and said, 5 million is too much. >> progressives understand we'll not get a $2.5 trillion deal done but they do need to go here
precisely what their bottom line is and what they are going to do and do all the things they need to do to create an inclusive economy. >> politics is about sbar competitive shopping. >> they talk about how democrats made hard choices to invest in the middle class economy, while republicans were putting us through the variant that drag down our country and didn't allow us to grow and obstructing the opportunity for progress. >> that prerogative and moderates in the house and senates got to recognize they got to get something done. >> we saw nancy pelosi working the companies yesterday. it's like the dodgers getting back before the treating ted line because she knows they got to get something done now in order to be ready for the
offseason and throughout the entire country next year. tom freeman writes in the new york times, do democrats have the courage to liz cheney. are you ready to risk a lot less than what cheney did. >> to save your democracy. it calls on the other party to act. democrat haves to do three things at the same time. advance your agenda. >> even this trump's result version of the gop from ever gaining national power again. >> it's a tall order. and a wholly unfair burden in my ways. >> if cheney is ill withing to wallace -- pass the bipartisan
infrastructure bill. a voting rights bill. as much of the bill back better legislations. if the democrats form a circular firing squad and all three of these major bills get scattered through the wind and the trump republicans retake the house and senate and propel trump back into the white house? there will be no chance later. later will be too late for the country as we know it. >> jeffery goldberg. is he right? >> yeah, he's largely right. >> when it's framed st this is
the problem sometimes of political coverage, we get so down into the grandular that lifting up like this as tom did is a useful exercise. we are in a three-year period now leading up to 2024. in which the american democratic experiment is on trial which is to say that we could be looking at an election of 2024 that results in two people on january 20th. thinking they have a claim to the white house. we have the republican party that's shown it's not going to necessarily abide the key rule of living in a democracy. when you lose an election. uconn sent to that reality and thank you then say we'll, we'll move on and try to find out in the next election. >> that's the big few.
you can bring it down one lefrl and say, does it? does that help the democrats. a, they are interested in the lives of blue collar workers and high school graduates. does it show democrats can move legislation through congress and in a effective manner. his point are valid and it's about much more. if you look at the stakes, the stakes have to do with the entirety of the american democratic experiment. >> all right, jeffery goldberg, thank you. the atlantic festival is it wrapping up today?
what's on tap? >> we are wrapping up today. we had some greater events, we had nancy pelosi of the day. i interviewed here, came, cool and collected. >> i am not sure if it's totally her. had some great conversations. so, very exciting about that. >> so, yeah, it's been good and we'll be back live next year with the morning show crew. >> he would love it. thank you as well. jeffery, thanks. still ahead on "morning joe," senator tim kaine joins us ahead of this morning's vote to prevent a government shutdown. >> i don't think woman ilhan omar will also be our guest this
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he was also wearing a u.s. olympic jeem jacket. >> ub says it will ban account says false claims about vaccines. >> under the new coldties the video sharing flat form will remove any videos claiming any proof of vaccine is dangerous or causing side elects. >> it's not limited to those with covid 19. willie. joining us now, member of the arms service, democratic senator tim kaine of virginia. >> snatser, good morning. >> an incredibly busy day for you and busy week ahead. >> let's start with the shutdown. it sounds like you had a deal to get a budget in place. what's the status there? >> we leeched a reel that would
basically fund the government through guess. >> what you always see is this kind of happens. and we reach the full year deal in except right there right before the christmas holiday. we'll vote on it today. there will be a few moment votes. it will bet to president biden biden by the end of the day. government is not going to thoun down on democratics' loss. >> you are confident nothing will happen tomorrow night? >> absolutely. >> why would be pave employees but not let them come to work and serve their fellow americans. we are not going to shutdown the government again. democrats control both houses in the white house so we are not going to allow a shutdown. >> sounds like you will have
funning there. >> what about the debt ceiling. >> this is the question you don't have the support of it. we'll help tim kaine and the rest of the democrats to get it done. you had chuck schumer and manchin saying i don't think we should use reconciliation. if you don't have republicans votes and you can't use reconciliation, where does that lead you? >> we got a warning from january yet yell loan. >> that means we need to do it next week. >> republicans should provide votes for this because there is republican presidents, democrats vote for it, the debt. i will repeat what i said about the shutdown. >> democrats have both houses and the white house.
we are not going to allow american to defall on its credit for the first time in history. >> there is a couple of different options. the leadership will decide which one we'll exercise. >> the american public savers us all the letter and run it. >> just as a practical question, how do you do that? i understand you wanted to raise the debt ceiling, what's the method? >> there is a number of different meths. you can do it by reconciliation which some are not wowed about. i thought that would have been the right thing. >> okay, that's on you. the republicans will choose not to filibuster. they'll vote against it but we may reach a deal where they
don't trigger 60 pointsless shold. >> look, if it comes down to it, i am not speaking for anybody else other than me. >> if the republicans who want to flirt with the fall and democrats need to adjust senate rules and make sure we don't default on the debt then we should do that. democrats have all tl lever raj. republicans like to flirt with the shutdown. >> republicans raised the debt ceiling several times under president trump. let's move to the next item of business. a lot of people are on the hill says pelosi may have to pull the vote. what's your view of how this
plays out? your colleagues and manchin and sinema, these are not linked. how should democrats perceive on this question? >> willie, i was listening to jeffery goldberg, i thought he analyzed it very well. this is a debate object reconciliation and infrastructure but it's about all an that. it's about democrats with all tl levers are we got the majority while the capital was under awac. >> there were two races, warnock and we didn't know who's going to be in the senate majority. it was called while we were watching tv monitors, barricaded into -- there was an eerie feeling of how it happened. >> okay, we have seen people died from covid.
democrats, save your country, you need to run this place. i hope my colleagues who are negotiating who'll realize none of their particular demands are important as the task the american people given to us. we got to get it there the next ten days or so because it will be good things for the country and good for the president and everybody in congress right now. we also have to get by the end of october, a reconciliation bill on his desk. >> we want blame on everybody. we can't do what is often done this year. >> we can't do if republicans would do x, y and z. we got the letters, we need to act. infrastructure, we'll hide people and joe biden's presidency will be held. >> i hope all the people
negotiating will realize this is much, much bigger than their individual demands for this or that. >> you go t the leverage. >> the margins as slim as they can be. they ought to vote yes on this infrastructure package and move. they believe they'll lose their leverage if they do that and get nothing close. >> i have enough headaches here in the senate. i think what they are looking for and not unreasonable. we don't have to have all the i's dotted and t's crossed. >> we are suffering the economic and health crisis of the biggest pandemic, the biggest public health crisis in the last 100 years. pandemic is the second biggest
death. it surpassed the spanish flu. what progressives wanted and what i want is we speak to the moment and do something significant enough that meets american needs. i don't think the progressives need to have it all negotiated but they need to know what the senate is going to embrace something that's of significant size to do good. >> it's time for senate dems to communicate that we, yes, we are on board with that. >> if we do, the house willen send the infrastructure package to the president. >> it will be good for the country and show people that democrats are taking searsly. >> the fan lit that folks gave us back in the middle of the attack on the capitol hill. we want you to run this government because the other side have turned this place into a rec. >> you have a busy day and week.
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last week the house appeared to reach a breakthrough, passing legislation to build the memorial with an amendment to the restricted 2003 bill. joining us now, a member of the global war on terrorism, board of adviser, jane horton, a sniper and the 45th infantry combat team was killed in afghanistan on september 9th, 2011. two days before the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attack. also with us, three times emmy of "this is us," miyo ventimiglia. i thank you both for being on. jane, i start with you, jane.
what does this symbolize? can you tell us? >> thank you, so much for having me on and having that important question. this memorial means so much not only myself and the nation. this is our future generations will come throughout our nation's history for generations to come to learn about those in the global war on terrorism who raise their right hands after our nation needed them after we were attacked. >> this memorial will be on the mall where gold star children can come for years and i can go and grieve my husband and honor him. this means the world to us and it's imperative that we get it done. >> people need a place to see this. >> milo, tell us how you got involved in this project and why
it's so important for you. >> i spend a lot of time with family duties and as well as gold star families like james. getting the names and the place together and giving service members to serve in iraq and afghanistan, a place to come together is absurd. i know congress have a lot going on but the placement of this being on the nationalmall is imperative. it needs to happen for all of us and what that war, global war of terrorism, what it meant and the rest of us to watch it. >> jane, can you tell us about your husband? i am trying to get through the fact that we are 20 years now past 9/11 but for you, the
tragedy was ten years ago and he was serving and how are you doing? >> you know these past couple months have been horrific with everything that's beenon. and, honestly, this is one of the deepest wounds i've had yet knowing this is even a question for our country whether or not they're going to honor my husband and all of those who have fought and died. my husband, chris, was a man of honor. he loved this country more than anyone i met in my entire life. he loved to hunt. he loved to fish. he loved to learn. he knew more about history than anyone i've ever met in my entire life. i will say my husband's blood is in the red of the american flag next to all of those who have given their lives in the global war on terrorism. >> jane, good morning. it's willie geist. thank you so much for being here for this work and for the sacrifice your family has made
for this country. chris sounds like an extraordinary guy. you've talked about how excited he was to have been called up from the oklahoma national guard in 2011 and to go serve there where he died a decade ago. what is your message to senators, to congress, why this is important, why it must get done, and what can people watching at home do to help push this forward? >> a wonderful question and i have so many thoughts to that. first of all, it's one of my worst nightmares i even have to explain this on national television and why it's important and members of congress would even think not even to support this or to go as far as to block it like senator manchin has after unanimous consent vote on the senate floor. this memorial and all of this means the world to us but, also, it's been so hard for me. i've reached the point the first time in ten years i've been a
gold star family member where all of my fem low gold star families are sending in videos from their children. we have 3, 4, 5-year-olds. i got a video from a 12-year-old, austin. his father was killed in afghanistan in 2011 and he's begging, please let me have a place to honor my father appropriately. please honor him on the national mall. and to get kids involves, to have them realize you have to speak up, too, for this to get done, i don't even know what to say. if we don't honor our leaders we have to take a look at ourselves as a country. please reach out to your members of congress, to your senators. we need to get this done. there should be no question. thank you all for your support in honor of those who gave everything they could for each and every one of us. >> it shouldn't just be about -- sorry. >> go ahead. >> no, no, please. i was going to say it shouldn't
just be about the gold star families, it should be all of us as americans. i sat and watched this for 20 years, this war go on for 20 years, sons and daughters and husbands and wives and fathers and mothers of civilians. we should all be here. that's my father who was a two-time vietnam vet. i went to the wall with my father and saw his friends' names on the wall, and i understand how healing it was for him. this is really larger than just the gold star families who have experienced the worst of this. it's about all of us. >> you're so right about that, milo. to have that experience of standing at the vietnam memorial and just seeing the 58,000 names, it sends chills up your spine and the sacrifices like jane have made. elise jordan is here with a question for you. >> jane, i'm so sorry for your loss and thank you for your advocacy for this memorial.
it has been a tough month and a half since the fall of kabul to the taliban for many veterans and men and women who served the united states in america and afghanistan as they've watched our afghan allies be left, how did you feel about the evacuation and what do you think we should do going forward to do right by our afghan allies? >> that's a wonderful question. i've been to afghanistan six times, the latest in june of this year. i am intimately involved in this pro process. i have a refugee coming to live with me next week. i hope we as americans can pay closer attention to where we're sending our greatest treasures to fight, bleed and die. i think it's the american people's job to engage. when i sent my husband to war, he was not my own. he was america's. he was all of ours. people need to start getting involved. as we send our military to war,
america needs to go with us. >> jane horton and milo ventimiglia, thank you both very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. and still ahead on "morning joe" ilhan omar joins us. progressives have vowed to block. plus, thousands of haitian migrants removed from a makeshift camp along the texas border being sent back to haiti. we'll get a live report from port-au-prince. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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attacks and "the wall street journal" recounting how restaurants and hotels are increasingly facing an uptick in customer tantrums. this is where we are as a country. we're also following news from facebook ahead of a hearing today on capitol hill. the company attempted to minimize its own research about its track record on children and teens mental health. >> leave it to facebook to try to doctor their own internal documents. >> but first, it's going to be a busy day on capitol hill. senate majority leader chuck schumer have reached a deal with the government shutdown. a vote will take place on a stopgap bill to keep the government open through early december. the house is expected to take up the measure once it's passed by the senate. meanwhile house speaker nancy pelosi told reporters last night
her plan is still to bring the bipartisan infrastructure bill to the floor for a vote today despite progressives to sink it unless there is a second far larger spending priorities. >> at the same time democratic senator joe manchin issued a statement that seemed to close the door on any hope. he'll help his party pass the reconciliation bill. it reads in part, quote, what i have made clear to the president and democratic leaders is that spending trillions more on new and expanded government programs when we can't even pay for the essential social programs like social security and medicare is
the definition of fiscal insanity. here's manchin speaking with reporters shortly after he released that statement. >> in your statement you mentioned trillions of dollars. what's your response to that? >> we all agree on doing tax reform. >> and here's how progressives reacted to those comments. >> he needs to either give us an offer or this whole thing is not going to happen. i can tell you that his statement has probably created at least a bunch more votes on the house floor against a bipartisan bill. >> i'm not quite sure what's going to happen tomorrow. my understanding from friends in the house is that bill will not pass. and at the end of the day you have 95% of house members, democratic caucus, 95% of the
senate democratic caucus, the american people, the president of the united states want to pass this legislation. and if the infrastructure bill does not go forward, what we now need to do is to make sure that we come forward with a strong reconciliation bill so that both important pieces of legislation can pass. >> democrats have a senator from west virginia, a state donald trump won with like 69% of the vote, but they have a democrat there of the united states senate that made democrats the majority party of the senate and you have somebody who polls very well in maricopa county. in fact, kyrsten sinema has support much like susan collins. it may be maddening for the party overall, but this is what national parties look like, and
they're working through it. we'll see if they're an effective national party or not. they need to figure out how to come together. and here's josh, i don't think pundits appreciate how much of a persuadable vote there is. it's a unique general electorate where moderation sells especially given the republicans' right-wing drift. white house reporter for the ap, jonathan lemire, elizabeth boone miller, and nbc news and msnbc national affairs analyst, host and executive producer of showtime "the circus" john heilman. this is disturbing for democrats, for democratic activists this is disturbing for bloggers this is disturbing for podcasters, this is what a functioning national party looks like. i know this may not be a popular
thing to say this morning. democrats should be celebrating they have such problems that they have to run a majority. >> yes, but it is looking grim for the infrastructure bill today. nancy pelosi there's a lot of skepticism about that and it's entirely possible by the end of the day that she pulls it and says we will try this again at a later date. it's be possible. we all know she does not put anything on the floor she doesn't think can pass and there's talk that biden needs to go up to the hill today, could go up to the hill to push this further. we have still not heard from senator sinema and manchin a bottom line number for what they would accept in what has been called fiscal insanity in a social spending bill. so that is still not resolved, and it looks like after last
night with the statement of manchin that they were further apart than ever. a great deal of skepticism this bill will happen today. >> it may not happen today. and you're right, the frustration has come to senator sinema who many believe is being too clever by half, not giving a number, going to the white house repeatedly, and not even allowing joe biden to get progressives to come and present a counteroffer. both see and senator manchin based on reports are basically having progressives negotiate against themselves thus causing the real frustration. >> right. we had a story today, yesterday, out of arizona the democrats in arizona are very frustrated with senator sinema right now. she sees her safe as a john mccain-type figure, a maverick.
she's not caving in to pressure at this moment right now. >> so, john, you've been covering the twists and turns watching as democrats attempt to make this sausage. first the question to elizabeth's point, can speaker pelosi bring this up for a vote? most people believe she has to pull it because there are about two dozen democrats who will vote no unless the infrastructure bill is tied to that reconciliation package passes today. what happens there? and looking ahead, how do they get through this? what's the way to the other side if you look at joe manchin and kyrsten sinema and those who want these two things tied together. how do they get through it? >> well, first of all, there's no world where the infrastructure bill will pass today. not only is there not a reconciliation agreement, there's not a framework, there's not even a number right now from sinema or for manchin.
they've moved on reconciliation has to be passed, ironclad agreements, privately we would at least, if we see a top line number and some outline we might be able to get there but they had none of that as we sit here on thursday morning. the progressive votes will not be there. kevin mccarthy has said he will not let any republicans vote for this unless nancy pelosi already has 218 votes. so she doesn't have the votes. now can she bring it to the floor? of course she can bring it to the floor and have it go down. she's always been loathe to do that, willie. speakers in the past have sometimes brought it to the floor to teach people a lesson and to say nancy pelosi promised the moderates she would bring this to a vote this week. she could make good on her promise, see it go down and say, see, guys this is what happens if we don't have the progressives onboard. you can demand all the votes you want on infrastructure but they're not going to ever pass.
she could do that as an object lesson. she would have to pull it down by the end of the day because, again, it's just not going to happen. on the larger question to go to joe's point, i think not only is there more frustration on capitol hill among democrats of, i would say, of all sides, moderates, rank and file democrats and progressives. there's more frustration of kyrsten sinema than joe manchin. they feel manchin is a predictable force who despite what he said last night and you heard that reporter ask the right question, manchin is not saying he won't back reconciliation. he won't back reconciliation unless there are pay fors. he doesn't want to spend trillions on the net. if there's a way to pay for that spending, he could be open to reconciliation. and people think that manchin, who has politics they hate, at least is a predictable actor. kyrsten sinema is seen by all democrats and many people in the white house as being a huge problem because it's totally
unclear what she wants. she has played this game, has infuriated the white house, who regard her as, at this point, mysterious and irrational. and to go to elizabeth's point about the politics of it, again, joe manchin is the only democrat people say could get elected in west virginia. kyrsten sinema is from a state joe biden carried. it's a purple state, not a blue state, but has a lot more political latitude for her to play than joe manchin has, and yet she is still playing hide the ball even more than manchin is. i think there's a lot -- the question is, what happens? they have the crack the kyrsten sinema code, whatever that turns out to be, for this to come together and puts the country in a tough place. >> and joe manchin also works around the clock like the form er governor and talks.
he's in constant communication with them telling them all the time whether it's telling mitch mcconnell, you know, what he thinks about january the 6th commission, whether he's telling chuck schumer about what he's thinking about the compromises, there is a constant line of communication between joe manchin and leadership on both sides in the rank and file on both sides. and i saw somebody yesterday write that manchin's the type of person that could make that statement and accept a $2.75 trillion reconciliation bill or maybe it's $2.5 or $2.25. i think most people think because he's done this before, because he's a pro at the game, that he's got no problem using leverage getting that number down from wherever that number may rest.
kyrsten sinema on the other hand very frustrating to all sides because she just simply seems to be directionless right now. if she's not going to support a bill under any terms then she needs to say that publicly instead of continuing this game. let's bring in jonathan lemire. jonathan, a real test for joe biden, a guy who ran saying i can make washington, d.c., work. i can negotiate with the other side. here he needs to negotiate with his own side. how frustrated is the biden camp, and what plan does joe biden have for getting these two reluctant senators to come onboard and get this package passed? >> yeah, biden ran for office four decades in washington, and this is my process. i hear people out. i let both sides vent, come to a point in the middle everyone can live with the deal.
that's been his approach this time, too. so far it hasn't worked and a lot of frustration from other democrats beyond those two senators we all keep talking about, and rightly so. they're the key votes. manchin and sinema. others in the house feel they've been ignored, they've questioned the white house outreach. you're taking our votes for granted. we have our issues, too. a lot of progressives are saying we're not going to go along with this and that has put the vote in such jeopardy today. the president has stepped up his outreach. i was with him as part of the presidential pool when he went to the congressional baseball park at nats park and spent time in the democratic and republican dugouts. he worked the phones while he was there, some extraordinary footage of he and speaker pelosi in the dugout on the phone at the same time. he even handed out ice cream bars emblazoned with the presidential seal. we'll see if those get any votes. there's also talk today that he may head up to capitol hill. but at the same time some suggestion that he might head home to delaware after the vote
which seems like bad optics if part of your legislation is going down to defeat or being pulled for another time. it's true. this doesn't have to get done today. it only gets harder. as more time passes, more sides get dug in. it may be difficult. if it were to go down to defeat the bipartisan deal, this reconciliation package, this is the heart of the biden agenda and it could certainly deal a crippling blow not only to his presidency but to the democrats' shot at retaining power in the midterms next year. still ahead an update on the fight against the pandemic and the emerging threats to medical workers across the country. you're watching "morning joe." vo: taking on climate change. this is our moment to get it right and here's how we do it- by putting the american auto worker on the job. building the electric cars and trucks
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issues better. >> the internal documents are damning and the fact they're going through it, willie, and annotating it, if it weren't so tragic, it would be funny this would be like tobacco companies going back and editing notes saying we found our product causes lung cancer and emphysema, maybe they would go back saying what we really meant to say was it's cool and refreshing and makes you look cool when you're standing at a bar. instagram can't clean this up. their own documents say their product makes young girls more likely to kill themselves, more likely to suffer from anxiety -- >> or to have suicidal idiation. >> how long will mark zuckerberg be allowed to get away with
this? >> we've seen the documents thanks to the outstanding reporting of the washington journal. we've seen the internal documents that laid out the case that you just made. if they have the gall to go up on the hill and pretend they didn't see what we all saw that they saw, that they know what we all know now thanks to ""the wall street journal"" it will be stunning. what will the questions be that they ask and what will they propose to do about it? if facebook won't police themselves what can the congress do? what are the tools at their disposal to help protect young girls around the country and world? >> you have to be a certain age to get cigarettes and alcohol, you would think if this were any other company they would put an age restriction on it, too. so teenage girls couldn't have
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>> willie, a couple things to take note, a beautiful shot of ft. lauderdale, florida. a couple things to note about the gentleman, he was doing it by himself while everybody else was screaming in the street. nobody was coming to help him. and he had flip-flops on. i don't know if that would be my first choice of shoes when i was going after a gator. >> he was confident. >> nothing but flip-flops and socks. it's a florida thing, and look at this guy what a hero, man. wow. >> you know, joe, in moments like this when there's so much uncertainty we need reminders of american exceptionalism. he gave us yet another -- it's amazing. he said he was protecting his family. everyone else backed away, ran away, grabbed their cameras at a safe distance. he grabs a trash can and not only great muscle but great strategy and then release. it's a catch-and-release program in the trash can, just
incredible. >> i love it. >> the florida fish and wildlife commission said while impressed they don't recommend or people try this. you can call a trapper who will take care of it. this gentleman didn't have that kind of time. he had to get rid of it. >> he don't need no trapper, man. that guy -- that should be his nickname now, trapper. >> amazing. well done. >> what a great job. listen, we have a little bit of breaking news here. senator joe manchin has said publicly he wants a reconciliation bill to be closer to $1.5 trillion. a number the progressives have said is a nonstarter. we learned from sources close to negotiations that in this meeting with the president yesterday manchin told president biden he would start negotiations at $2.1 trillion, since he believes that he and sinema are closer to $1.5 trillion. now white house sources and people close to the negotiations
said that the number was too small. the white house said no to that as well. we are also told from people in the negotiations that manchin's issues aren't related to the price tag solely. there remain disagreements in ideology as well. the moderates are asking that the bill be based on means testing, means based, and focused primarily on pre-k and seniors. so, again, after talking with sources in the white house and in negotiations, that's where they are. also negotiators say that manchin actually gave chuck schumer in july his number and the outlines of the bill that he and other moderates would accept. and it was $1.5 trillion number. host of msnbc's "politics
nation" reverend al sharpton. his book "rise up: confronting a country at the crossroads," is now out in paper back. i want to talk about "rise up" in one minute. i'm just curious, rev. you've been in a lot of negotiations before. you have joe manchin who has been at $1.5 trillion on this bill as well as the $1.1 trillion bill on infrastructure, on hard infrastructure. obviously progressives at $3.5 trillion. how do they close that gap? >> well, i think that the real challenge is the disagreement in what it is that they're after. when you said, and i think correctly from what i've had talking to progressives and talking with the people close to manchin, what i've been able to discern is that the real basic needs that they are trying to fulfill, there is a big
difference. and i think that once you can get manchin and progressives on the same page on what exactly they want to do with reconciliation in terms of servicing their constituents, then the bill, the tag in terms of the price tag, would make more sense. i think, you know, if you go shopping and you look for the outfit and worry about the price tag later, that's one thing. if you go in and say i'm on this budget, that's another. i think in this situation we've got to see what we're buying and then apply that to what it is we need. and i think the progressives are mature enough to do that, i would hope. the question is whether manchin is so locked in that he does not want to budge. >> even the issues, though, rev, that we're talking about, whether you're talking about means testing, whether you're talking about it being needs based, those are the things if manchin wants it to be at
$50,000, $55,000 and the deal has it closer to $200,000 for some of these benefits kicking in, even that's something that can be negotiated. it all can be negotiated. i think what's interesting we keep hearing that manchin is just sort of walking around without a number. democrats have had that number, and the white house obviously concerned. they just don't know how to get there from here. >> i think that's the challenge. and i think you're right. if we have a number on both sides, we can get there. and the question becomes do they put the needs of people ahead of the posturing that we've seen of late? and do they think they can go back to their constituents whether you be progressive or moderate explaining you have nothing done. we are in the middle of a pandemic. we are in the middle of crisis all over this country. so to go back to mothers and say we have nothing on precare, we
go back to people in west virginia saying we got nothing on medicaid, i don't know that either side can afford to go back to their constituents and say, yes, we won the white house, we won the senate and the house and we bring you nothing. >> rev, stay with us. we want to bring into the conversation ilhan omar of minnesota, the whip of the congressional progressive congress. it's great to have you with us this morning. so bring us up to speed, if you would, about where this negotiation stands right now. we know that you all want to wait to vote on this information deal until you know that it will be tied to the larger $3.5 trillion reconciliation package. so where is the whip count right now? >> we remain fully committed to passing the president's entire build back agenda and delivering on that transformative change that the president ran on and helped deliver the house, the
senate and the white house. now, as you remember, the senate sent us a budget resolution that had the $3.5 trillion price tag. that was negotiated. that in itself was the floor. joe manchin and sinema both voted for that resolution. we did the work. we did the markup. we got this bill out of committee. it's ready to be voted on. 96% of the entire democratic caucus both in the house and the senate support this legislation. and now we're waiting to hear what this 4% is interested in doing. what do they want to cut? child care for families that desperately need it? do they want to not address the climate crisis for a future generation? do they not want to have hearing, vision and dental care for the elderly?
do they not want home care programs for our seniors and the disabled? these are the conversations we're waiting to have, and they don't seem to be interested in telling us what they want in and what they want out. >> congresswoman, as you know, speaker pelosi said earlier this week it appears at this point we can't connect these two bills. let's go pass this infrastructure bill. let's have a vote on it. let's get $1.2 trillion of hard infrastructure money out the door in washington, and then let's go negotiate the bigger $3.5 trillion package. i understand where you're coming from that gives up a lot of your leverage in that second negotiation. so what's your reaction to the idea that you ought to vote first on infrastructure, hard infrastructure, get that done and then move to the larger bill? >> the speaker yesterday said we needed legislative action on the reconciliation budget, which is
the larger part of the president's agenda. the president continues to ask for us to fully send him the agenda infact in the two pieces of legislation, and we we main steadfast on that strategy that was crafted and negotiated months ago. joe manchin him seven said the only path forward was to track a process where we would have the ability to craft these two pieces of legislation, pass them together, and send it to the president's desk so we can celebrate having accomplished the president's agenda. we remain committed to that. the speaker knows that. the speaker has been onboard with that agenda. majority leader chuck schumer is onboard with that agenda. you have to remember we made a promise to the american people to deliver on these items and to
create this real investment in their lives and we must do that. >> congresswoman, so we obviously have a $1 trillion hard infrastructure bill out there. the sources we've talked to said it looks like the moderates are closer to a $1.5 trillion to $2 trillion that focuses almost exclusively on the pre-k provisions and also the provisions for seniors to help at the beginning of life and to help at the end of life. i'm curious if you could get that, that would be $3 trillion in infrastructure, hard and soft infrastructure spending. would that be better than nothing? >> joe, you remember this conversation started up with $6 trillion. once we started adding up the numbers on the kind of investments we wanted to make in child care, in preschool, in
paid sick,addressing the climate crisis we ended up with $3.5 trillion. now they have to do the math and see where that number ends up. we can't have a conversation about a top line number when we've already done the math and it added to $3.5 trillion, the investment we promised the american people and this is the number that is needed in order to make that investment. now if the few colleagues, like i said, 96% of our caucus, both in the house and the senate and the president support this agenda, if this 4% is saying we don't think the american people need this investment, they have to communicate that to us and to the american people what investments do they think is not necessary and then add up the numbers and have a conversation. as you know, these are negotiations, and we have been willing to negotiate, we have been willing to be at the table,
we have been willing to say, you know, this is what our constituents need. there are so many people who are struggling and paying for child care, as you know, the job growth for women are lagging. women are not returning to the workforce because child care is not accessible and is not affordable. there are so many people across this country who have asked us to invest in the expansion of health care. they want hearing, dental and vision for our elders. there are so many young people who have been rallying to ask for an investment in their future in addressing the climate crisis. so what we are doing is hearing that call. we are proud to have the president's back in putting this agenda forward and we are determined to see this agenda passed. >> reverend al, so the situation
as it is obviously you hear the congresswoman, just like bernie sanders, hey, we started at $6 trillion. joe manchin, according to sources, still seems to be at $1.5 trillion. and thought that it might be better to start negotiations since they're at $1.5 trillion and the white house and others are at $3.5 trillion started more at $2.1 trillion. the problem is obviously with manchin and likely cinema at $1.5 trillion and progressives at $3.5 trillion, they feel they've come down and the question is are they going to continue moving closer to these two senators when their own constituents want a larger bill? >> i think that the question is exactly that. and i think that the
congresswoman said it right. and that is if the congress, the house, the progressive caucus of those pushing the $3.5 trillion said this is the price tag for these items, this is what we ca is what we can give our constituents and the american people, then now if you're coming in at $1.2 trillion, senator manchin or another figure, tell us what we get for that. that's what we're not hearing. i think the other congresswoman is right there. and i would also say that senator manchin has to be very careful because we couldn't get voting rights agreement with you. we couldn't get george floyd with you. now we can't get the bill with you. are you there to block or to serve the american people that makes sure this president's plan comes true. let me ask you, congresswoman, and you're the whip of the progressive caucus and being that i have worked with you on a
few cases in minnesota. i think you're the whip of the whole progressive movement, but that's another conversation. where do we go if ween can't get this $3.5 trillion package and voting rights and george floyd? how do we go back to our communities and tell them to turn out the vote in the midterms if they have invested so much based on turnout and got turned town? >> you're so right, al. this is not just the progressive caucus standing strong in supporting this agenda and having these conversations. we have had so many frontline members who are asking for these investments to be made. we have asked the caucus and been very outspoken. we said, i don't know how to go back to my district. i don't know how to communicate
why we promised to deliver on child care, on preschool, on addressing the climate crisis, on getting paid sick and helping the families in our districts and now that you have given the senate and white house, we haven't been able to do that. it's preposterous to expect people who have made that promise to go back and say, we haven't been a able to do it. we are the party of the people. we make promises to the people. we now have an opportunity once in a generational opportunity. and we must dlifr. these senators voteed for this budget resolution. this was already agreed on. they sent us to mark up the bill.
we have done that. now we want to send the bill to them and have the guarantee it will pass. to me, it's not okay for us to be negotiating with ourselves in this way. people are already thinking washington is broken. they think politicians make promises they are not going to keep. and we can't have that sort of become the self-fulfilling process sit. prophesy. we have to show washington can work. politicians can make promises they do keep. and that there is real investment that is going to be made in their lives and they are going to feel it in their paychecks and the activities that are happening in their lives and the future they can plan for. >> congresswoman omar, thank you for being with us. we grately appreciate it. best of luck. so willie, here we are, if you look at the numbers,
obviously, progressives started at $6 trillion approximately. moved down to $3.5 trillion. but you have had joe manchin at $1.5 trillion since july. he told democratic leaders, according to our sources and the negotiations since july, that's his number. so the question is, it doesn't look right now according to the white house, it doesn't look like he's moving or the white house is moving. so the question is, how do democrats not throw away a great opportunity to pass an infrastructure bill? >> the worst case scenario for joe manchin and for congresswoman omar, they would tell you is to lose both of these pieces of legislations. what is the space in the middle. if there's mystery around senator cinema why she won't
give a number to the white house or express what she wants in those meetings in this the white house, there's not much around joe manchin. that's his number. he's zeb serving the people of west virginia, a state that it donald trump won by 30 points. he's a democrat serving in that state. that's who he's serving. and the country would like to pass that agenda. there's his number. you heard congresswoman omar's number, what in that number would you like to cut. that's a conversation they will have to have. that's going to go on for days and into nx week. we want to turn to the fallout tied to the crisis at the southern border. we saw scenes of thousands of migrants gathering under a bridge in texas. the biden administration removed many of them from that it makeshift camp and sent them back to haiti. this morning we're getting our first look up close at what those migrants are facing now back home. joining us from port you prince,
haiti, jacob soboroff. what does it look like on the ground? >> reporter: good morning, willie. it's a tough situation here on the ground in port-au-prince. since the nation's attention was captured by the migrants under the bridge in texas, 6,000 have been sent back to this crime-riddled city. on the ground here, they are not only looking around but often times they have nowhere to go. this morning, hundreds of haitian migrants waking up in a country many left behind years ago. here from the united states by the biden administration after attempting to declare asylum in texas. once they arrive at this airport, many of them are confused many many are asking why they are here in the first place. so far, around 6,000 haitian migrants have been repatriated. sent back to their so-called home country, though many have lived in central america for years. wednesday was the busiest day
yet for expulsion. the biden administration under fire from republicans and democrats using a cdc authority meant to protect public health saying the pandemic justifies the mass deportations. the move lead the special envoy to haiti to resign. calling the treatment of haitians inhumane. >> when was the last time you were here in haiti? 2013. you haven't been here for almost ten years? once off the plane they are shuttled to this processing center run by the united nations. >> my main concern is that a lot of people, thousands of people will be in areas that are controlled by the gangs that are affected by the earthquake or in other difficult situations. the more come here, the more difficult the situation will be. >> reporter: one family told us despite being sent back, they will try again to leave the poorest nation in the western hems fear. >> we want to live somewhere where we can have a better life. >> reporter: so while dhs says
thousands it turned around from a encampment have gone back to mexico, there are thousands staging in colombia for a potential journey to the u.s. southern border. dhs is reportedly preparing according to new reporting for what could be a record surge of people coming to the u.s. southern border in the months ahead. >> jacob soboroff, reporting live from haiti, thank you so much. you think about the journey that some of these migrants have made from haiti to colombia or panama up through just to try to get to the united states, many of them entering the country, but also as jacob is showing us in realtime, many of them being put on planes and returned back where that journey started. >> it is tragic. the story of haiti is a tragic story. our southern border remains in place where there's ongoing
humanitarian crisis. we have to bring order to it. reverend al, today a big day for you. the release of your paperback. we're going to have you on tomorrow as well. but we wanted to have you on the pub date. tell us a about "rise up." >> i came out with the book late last year. i decided to add a long preface to bring us into the first eight months of the biden administration, the voting rights march. so people should go buy it. it's out today. it brings you up to weeks ago on how we should rise up and save the democracy that we all need, love and cherish. >> all right. reverend al, thank you very much. we'll see you tomorrow. that does it for us this morning. chris jansing picks up the coverage, right now. i'm chris jansing in for
stephanie rule. it's thursday, september 30th. a huge day in our nation's capitol. one that could make or break the president's $4 trillion agenda. that said, job number one is to keep the government up and running. with funding set to run out tonight, the senate will start voting about 90 minutes from now on a bill to keep the lights on for another two months. the house has to pass it and the president has to sign it before midnight tonight to avoid a shutdown. meanwhile, nancy pelosi was working the phones all night long, even in the middle of that annual congressional baseball game trying to come up with a deal to save the $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package. that vote is set for today. but the looming question is whether pelosi will delay it if she says progressives are serious about voting it down. we should get a sense of where that stands at her weekly briefing scheduled to start in a little under two hours. all of this got a