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good friday morning to you. craig melvin here on another tense day on capitol hill with so much at stake. as we come on the air, house democrats earn a behind closed doors meeting. and these are two live pictures from our cameras. staking out one of those meetings. we're going to let you know if we catch any members on their way out to answer our questions, and we have a slew of questions. the biggest one, will there be a vote on the bipartisan senate infrastructure bill today? in just the last hour, house speaker nancy pelosi answered that question. perhaps it's more accurate to say she was asked that question. right now the speaker sandwiched between a group of progressives who have successfully delayed that vote, and two moderates, not even in her caucus. senators joe manchin and
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christen cinema who want nothing to do with the $3.5 trillion spending plan. we'll have the latest on the dpoerkss in moments. first, the united states has crossed a brand new jaw dropping threshold. covid-19 has now killed some 700,000 americans. to put that in perspective, that's the entire population of washington d.c., or detroit, michigan. a potential new weapon in the fight. the first pill that has been shown to treat the virus. i also have a very special conversation with two people working to ensure that everyone can get vaccinated. initial nun anne adina porter. just 2 % of people in low income countries have received a single vaccine dose so far. we're going to dig into that in a moment. we're going to start on the hill on this friday. let's get to our team of
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reporters. garrett haake back with us. white house respondent mike memoli, anna palmer, founder of punch bowl news and msnbc contributor. big thanks to all of you. before we start this conversation, i want to give our viewers and listeners the latest we have from speaker nancy pelosi. this is what the speaker told reporters on her way into the capitol this morning. here she is. >> reporter: reconciliation bill, is that one way to get them on board? >> well, i don't know about that. the reconciliation bill next year is not excluded. >> garrett, democrats, again, should i guess be roughly 30 minutes into this family meeting that they're having on the hill this morning. have you seen or heard anything so far that suggests we are, in fact, any closer to a vote on infrastructure or deal on the
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spending bill? >> well, craig, there is a sense among democrats i talked to on the way into the meeting which is happening at tend of the holloway behind me as we speak that they are getting closer to some kind of deal, but close is a matter of degrees when you're talking about trillions of dollars in spending that are separating the progressives and the more moderates in the senate on what they want to see in this reconciliation bill. and we heard some sense of that from the head of the progressive caucus on the way into this meeting telling my colleague this is not about a division among democrats in the house, but between they and the senate. it's tough to see exactly what progress can be made in this meeting. nevertheless, she is optimistic they're moving in the right direction. listen to what she told us. >> no, i don't think there's going to be any resolution. the resolution is about here in the caucus. the resolution is with who senators, and the rest of the 98% of the democratic caucus. i feel good about where we are and confident we're going to be
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able to deliver both these things. you're going to have to give us some time. >> and look, the senate is out today. senators manchin and cinema, we believe, are still in washington d.c. any meetings they might have on the hill or at the white house will be keeping at a close eye. it's ultimately going to be their buy-in to something, anything, that will be what unlocks a vote i think on infrastructure here in the house today. >> garrett, stand by. i want to play something that peter welch said a short time ago here on msnbc to my colleague chris jansing. >> you know, at the end of the day, we have to be successful. because if we fail on either or both, that is going to be very damaging to joe biden's presidency and to our prospects for maintaining our majority in the house. >> mike, how acutely aware is the white house that the president's agenda here, i mean,
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not just the agenda on the line, but perhaps the prospects for controlling the house and senate next year? >> yeah. craig, the white house officials we've been hearing from, they may be down playing the idea that there are serious divisions within the democratic party. they might be down playing the setback it would appear to be that there wouldn't be a vote today or tomorrow or didn't have one yesterday. what they're not down playing is what's at stake. you heard the press secretary talk about all of this as an inflection point the white house is well aware of. a year ago today candidate joe biden was finishing up what his campaign called the build back better express. a train tour through ohio, pennsylvania. the key battle ground states. he was making two promises to voters. he would deliver on things like infrastructure on a stronger safety net. on important proposals revolving around climate change. also that he would get washington working again. the white house knows a failure
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to get through the larger reconciliation package represents a failure on both of those accounts. that's why the white house really is deep in the weeds now on capitol hill. we saw meetings late into the night with senator manchin and cinema and top white house officials. we heard as well earlier today, saying the president is deeply involved, promise you, she said. he is deeply involved. we know that they were keeping a close eye on things from the white house last night late into the night. the marine is stationed outside the west wing. we know the president is back in the oval office likely making calls. they're determined to make it through because they know what's at stake. >> let's bring that shot back up for a moment. again, that look at the bowels of the capitol where garrett is. garrett, as we look at these folks outside the room waiting for this meeting to wrap up, what happens in meetings like this? >> these meetings can sometimes
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turn contentious. sometimes they're pep rallies. sometimes they're more like therapy sessions where you might have members bringing out grievances about the process. and sometimes you have leadership coming in when they have the plan and trying to corral and run as i said like a pep rally to get everyone fired up about the direction they're going to go. that was one of the questions this morning. which direction do we think this meeting is? my money is on more of the grievance-based meeting given the fact that there's not an obvious way out of this that can be decided just by democratic house members. >> an airing of grievances. it sounds like one of my family meetings. anna palmer, hallie jackson, she talked to republican from nebraska on sunday. here's what he said. >> polls -- 70%, the infrastructure, most of the gop leaning groups like it.
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>> if it's brought to the floor today, you're a yes? >> i'm going to be voting for it. >> we know speaker pelosi met with the democratic leader of the problem solvers caucus. any chance the speaker turns to republicans for the votes to get this infrastructure bill across the line? >> it's hard to see that happen. mccarthy has said he's trying to basically keep his members against this bill until pelosi gets that 218 threshold, saying democrats are going to have to pass this on their own, and then he'll let them go. yes, there's definitely republicans and they're getting a lot of pressure from groups like the u.s. chamber of commerce and others to say you need to support this. this is a massive deal for a lot of industries that -- and a lot of their constituents. the pressure will be on republicans. i think you're going to see pelosi try to do this alone. she doesn't like to bring anything to the floor unless she
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has the votes. that's why we haven't seen it scheduled today. one thing we heard from inside the meeting today is she is really trying to corral the support, trying to get the body language, continuing in that positive way for democrats. she asks anybody who supported the bipartisan infrastructure package to stand up. the vast majority all did. that was not saying when it's going to happen but just to show hey, we all do want this topaz. and so i think you're trying to see the speaker put as much pressure on democrats as possible to find a way forward. >> your operation punch bowl news noted the president's affinity for visiting his former colleagues there on the hill. any indications the president might make a trip over to the hill today? and if he does, how far does that really go in changing hearts and minds? >> yes. certainly the white house has turned up its interest and involvement here. you had brian deese as well as
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some other senior staffers from the white house on capitol hill holding those meetings. i don't expect, though, you're going to see joe biden come to the hill until they have the votes to say -- or they have a framework in place on this larger reconciliation package. to your point, he's not going to be there with a pencil out figuring out the specifics of this negotiating. he's going to be using the phones. he's clearly used the white house itself in terms of having members like cinema and joe manchin go to the white house to have those kind of private meetings. but right now it really is a negotiation between manchin and cinema and some of these house progressives and where they can come together on the final package. >> anna palmer, mike memoli, garrett haake. enjoy your weekends, if you can. thank you so much. meanwhile this morning, justice amy coney barrett was ceremonially sworn in despite being confirmed last october.
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the swearing in was delayed near lay year because of the pandemic. meanwhile justice brett kavanaugh will not be attending that event because justice kavanaugh learned last night that he has tested positive for covid. justice kavanaugh is fully vaccinated and has no symptoms right now. we're going to have much more on every moment of these negotiations on the hill including a closer look at what's driving the two senators at the center of the action? joe manchin and christen cinema. we'll look at the motivations. first up, the covid vaccines were a huge breakthrough, but what about treating people already sick with the virus? the very first treatment that does not require a needle may be closer to reality. and a major new push to get more vaccines to lower income countries. i'll talk to the ceo of care usa, michelle nunn, and adina
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exemptions. heidi przybyla is with us. steve kornacki at the big board on the numbers nationwide. steve stand by for a moment. heidi, we'll start with you. kathy hochul says the mandate has significantly boosted the number of shots in arms. what are you seeing where you are? >> reporter: well, look, craig, this situation is not simple. bear with me for a moment. i spoke with the ceo of this health system here, the mohawk valley health system. she said on the one hand she's supportive of the mandate. they went within a matter of weeks from about 7 0 % of staff vaccinated to 90% vaccinated. at the same time, it's causing major disruptions in the system. and the reason why is because they were already struggling with major staffing shortages here due to burnout, retirements. people finding higher paying jobs elsewhere. here's what she said about the situation right now. >> going into the vaccine
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mandate now, we had a vacancy rate overall of between 12% and 13% during the last year. so the loss of any additional employees is felt very acutely. we've had to cut back some hours. we've consolidated some services together. we've cut back support systems. >> reporter: so right now, craig, they have about 5% of their overall work force on unpaid leave. that's about 180 workers and yeah, that hurts. and yes, it's a test case for what might happen as the mandate rolls out in other parts of the country. but again, what she said was the issue here is not really the mandate. it's the time that we give health systems to comply. this is an area where there was a lot of vaccine hesitancy, and she said it's really made a difference that they started early with a lot of these employees, and tried to dispel some of the disinformation that was coming out, and she's hoping that after this unpaid leave of
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absence which ends on october 9th, that most of her employees will ultimately opt to get the shot, but we're just going to have to wait and see what the ultimate outcome is here. >> yeah. all right. heidi, thank you. steve, the cdc says over 77% of adults in this country have gotten at least their first dose. can you break down for us the other 23 or so percent of adults who are still not vaccinated? what do we know about that group? >> let's take a look. 77% of adults with at least one shot. now, this aspect of the breakdown is where it gets a lot of attention. i think there is a partisan divide you see on this. these are numbers from the kaiser family foundation. they have 90% of democrats with at least one shot. only 58% of republicans. about two-thirds of independents. there seems to be a partisan component to this. there may be more at work that feeds into that partisan
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component. here's another divide. this is adults with the college degree. you see over 80% of them have gotten at least one shot. adults without a college degree, the number there is more like two-thirds. there's a pretty big gap right there. and you're talking about that college no college degree divide. that's been a divide that's really informed a lot of our politics. a lot of our culture in this century in the last couple decades. politically, this is what that college, no college divide looks like. you see here among whites with a college degree, biden won this. it's like a 50 point swing. trump won this group by 32 points. there's a total divergence with the college degree, without a college degree among white voters. among african americans, politically you see no difference. african americans with the college degree, without a college degree. what's interesting is when you then take a look at the vaccination statistics, look at this. it's african americans and whites with a college degree over 80% vaccination rate.
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without a college degree, they track together. about two-thirds. and a pretty big gap on both sides. here your seeing this is a group of voters that goes democratic typically. a group of voters that goes republican, but you're seeing the same vaccination rate. the common thread is without a college degree. when we say without a college degree, it's a question of social class, social trust. you have surveys showing there's much lower levels of social trust, trust in institutions among folks that have a college degree than with a college degree. that divide might be what's driving a lot of the partisan divide on this. >> that's fascinating. there's a direct correlation, obviously, between education and vaccination status. thank you. thank you for that, steve. thank you, heidi. enjoy your weekends. they may be driving progressives in washington crazy, but what do voters back home think of senators joe
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no major updates. the vast majority of them have not walked out yet. but we do have this. punch bowl news co-founder jake sherman tweeted this. california congressman suggested to the room that people stop leaking because the meeting is being tweeted out. apparently there are leaks there in the bowels of the capitol. joe manchin has pitched $1.5 trillion as the price tag for the democratic spending bill. progressives are standing to the $3.5 trillion. and they're not holding back on their criticism of manchin or kyrsten sinema. i want to bring in the correspondent for the washington -- "the wall street journal" editorial board coming to manchin's defense a bit with this headline. joe manchin's intervention.
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it reads in part, quote, democrats may be angry, but as the days go by, they may recognize mr. manchin is doing them a favor. with biden advocating for the left, the virginian is providing a reality check on progressive excess. passing the reconciliation bill could cost democrats congress next year. what do you think? >> well, look, i think that democrats are trying to pass a bill that the voters did not deliver them a mandate to pass. and you look at the majorities that voters gave the democratic party, they have a five-seat majority in the house which is why speaker pelosi who is really a masterful legislative technician is having a devil of a time bringing her caucus together. the centrists and the liberals can brick everything to a halt. that's how slim her majority is. and in the u.s. senate, democrats don't really have a majority. they have the tie breaker.
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that gives them control of the floor, but as we've seen just one senator defects, and they can't do what they want. and when you're trying to pass -- i was going to mess up the number. 3.5 trillion on top of 1.5 trillion on top of the covid relief bill for many more trillion, eventually somebody is going to say stop. now, it may be surprising to people to watch a u.s. senator not stick with his team and literally say i don't care how much you pressure me. i don't care what you say about it. you're not getting my vote. but that's what we're seeing in this case, and i think one of the reasons we're seeing it from joe manchin and kyrsten sinema is because they don't have anything or not much to fear from their voters back home. in other words, in west virginia a very red state, nobody is going to complain that joe manchin is blocking the level of spending that this bill would be as is, and things are a little
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bit different for kyrsten sinema, and there is a left wing and a democratic base in that state. but she still is in a good place with independents, and she's not doing too bad with republicans right now. >> well, i'm glad you mentioned kyrsten sinema. you've got that piece in the washington examiner that your latest piece, the headline, quote, kyrsten sinema soars in arizona. even as they wrankled democrats in washington. you showed polling showing sinema not only above water but higher favorable rating than her fellow democratic. mark kelley, and he's been to space. she represents a state that joe biden won narrowly. progressive groups pencilling her in for a primary challenge. what do you make of how she's playing this there? >> well, she's playing to brand. so she began her political career as a more provocative
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progressive. over time, sort of reinvented herself as a democraticccain, i. a centrist, stuff like that. and she doesn't seem too concerned about the pressure she's getting from the left in her home state. and i do think she's able to do this because she's not up for reelection until 2024. i think the calculus or the consequences might have been a little bit more dicey for her if she was up in 2022 the way mark kelley is. given that she's got some time, and if you look at the politics of her state, she -- she is so far representing the politics broadly of her state, and i would say, craig, i think eventually she will support something. i'll bet you eventually she will vote for something. that will relieve some of the pressure. and it won't simply be about what she opposed. it will be about what she was for.
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>> good to have you back, buddy. thanks for your insight. analysis. come back soon. have a good weekend. >> it was fun. a piece of california history. stripped away from one black family is being returned nearly 100 years later. it's called bruce's beach. and it was owned bring will la and charles bruce, until the land was taken from them and they were driven out by the klu klux klan. but on thursday, the california governor gavin newsom signed a new law returning the prime beach front property near los angeles back to the family's descendents. trumaine has been following this story. why did it take so long for this family's story to even be recognized? >> thanks for having me, craig. like generations of black family before them who have had their land stripped from them. for decades, this family had to struggle largely in quiet.
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but a new generation of activists are lyfting their voices and the bruce's story. let's take a listen. >> in july of 2020 manhattan beach resident mr. ward mobilized after learning the dark past of the sunny beach side park known as bruce's peach. parcels were once owned by a black couple who brought the land to build a beach resort in 1912. it quickly became a haven for black tourists and entertainers from across the country. it also became a target of white supremacists who along with manhattan beach officials seized the land through imminent domain on the grounds that it be used for a public park. but for three decades, the lot set vacant. >> i don't care if it happens to black entrepreneurs, white entrepreneurs. someone having their land taken from them is wrong. and unjustly is wrong.
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it was specifically based on race. and so that makes it even worse. >> reporter: according to one study from 2014 of 1 million people displaced by imminent domain between 1949 and 1973, two-thirds were african american. it's been used to take over swaths of land held by communities of color all across america. like vinegar hill in virginia and in high 3r0 pro file places like dodger's stadium. dispossessing a new -- >> most of the wealth equity in this country and for most families is through land or property ownership. and some people who were not white have not had this mechanism to grow wealth. >> reporter: black families are
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disproportionately vulnerable to land loss including partition sales and loopholes. but little has been done to protect them. >> there have been land organizations around for generations. all of these groups have tried in one way or another to get land back or at least to get some sort of reparations or payment for lost resources. >> but the tides might be turning. >> reporter: the murder of george floyd reig nated calls to dismantle structural racism and to return what's owed to black america. >> justice for bruce's beach. >> reporter: it took a little more than a year to successfully press l.a. county and the state of california to make amends for its role in stripping wealth from the bruce family. two plots of the land now worth more than $75 million are on
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their way back to being owned by charles and willa descendents. >> good to see you. >> including their great, great grandson anthony bruce. >> when you see something with your name on it, it's a little bit different. to know this is bruce property, you know, and i'm a bruce, and this is from my family. we started that down there. nobody else around here did that. it was my family. >> reporter: they're now launching where is my land, a digital platform to help others find justice. >> in cases where the lands can't be returned, significant restitution needs to be paid. there needs to be a recognition that wealth was stolen. wealth was not able to be generated because of that theft. and really looking at the present conditions of the families themselves to try to understand what was stolen from them. not just at the time, but over the decades.
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>> reporter: craig, there is great hope for those who want to see black folks in this country made whole through reparations of means. this will just be the first of many returns to come. >> fascinating story, my man. thank you. and we all know so many other families just like the bruces all over this country. thank you. thank you for that. and by the way, make sure you check out the podcast "into america". you can listen anywhere you find your podcasts. it's a pretty solid one. more than half of all americans are fully vaccinated against covid-19, but in some low-income countries it's been quite the struggle to get people a single shot. we're going to dig into a new effort to change that. and controversy within the nba. some star players still refuse to get vaccinated. how the league is trying to turn up the pressure and why some of the biggest names in basketball say they need to do more.
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porter with me as well. michelle, let me start with you. care known for fighting poverty worldwide. now you've launched the two-year vaccine initiative to ensure vaccines were at least 100 million vulnerable people. where are you on this goal now? and what kind of resources are required to pull it off? >> yeah. so care has a commitment to have a program to deliver 100,000 vaccines. most importantly, we're advocating for 70% of the world's population to have vaccines by september of 2022. that means 14 billion more doses. and that's why we are trying to lift up the voices and using the extraordinary platform that adina and others have to say this is a moral imperative. it's also an economic imperative. and it's imperative for our own defenses in terms of our own security as a nation, because we know that we are interdependent.
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that's never more clear than during a global pandemic. >> adina, you signed onto a letter addressed to global leaders asking them to make 7 million vaccine doses available by the end of the year. it's an incredibly ambitious goal. do you think developed nations like the united states -- do you think we're doing enough to end this pandemic? >> no. we're not. i was surprised to realize that only 2% of people in low income and middle income countries have gotten even one dose of the vaccine. and so now because of us -- it's becoming a manmade pandemic of apathy. now that we know something about it, we can do something about it. and i like to urge people to watch any of my shows to get involved, and how we can. you can sign on to the letter
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that care wrote by going to >> we see images of people suffering. and you can't unsee the images. it's only going to get worse if we allow the virus to continue to get stronger and mutant and become deltas and others. you know, variants don't pay attention to borders. so none of us are safe, until all of us are safe. it's imperative that we speak up and ask global leaders to do what is necessary or it's going to get worse. >> and we put that website that you mentioned. we've put it up on the bottom of our screen there for folks who are watching
8:45 am adina, i want to get your take over a debate, booster shots in the country. you have the world health organization, that's the largest so far, the w.h.o. has come out against the use of boosters while you have other countries who have very little access to even a first shot of the vaccine, and i asked the president of pfizer about this earlier this week. and he told me that he thinks that it's perfectly fine for us to get our booster shots while they try to increase access to the rest of the world. what do you make of this debate, adina? where do you stand on the issue of boosters? >> i'm not sure where i saw it, but i saw an image of someone saying we're trying to help improve people who are drowning with life jackets that are a little bit frayed while there are people right next to us without any life jackets at all
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drowning. so the -- according to the scientists, vaccines that we have gotten right now is enough. for vulnerable populations, for people who are over 65, maybe they need boosters. but i would prefer people who haven't gotten any shots at all to get doses before we start giving boosters to folks who are already -- have something in their system. >> adina porter, michelle nunn. thank you for your time. michelle, we'll check in with you in a bit. it's a noble and worthwhile cause to be sure. enjoy your weekend. thanks again. workers across the country, many of them now face vaccine mandates. but nba players, well, they're not required to get the shot. the star holdouts, what it means
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anyone who has not made the effort to educate themselves on this issue is irresponsible and should not be allowed to play. >> a story this week in "rolling stone" really shed light on how deep the divisions are. the headline reads, quote, antivaxxers are trying to push around the league, and it's working. joining me now matt sullivan sports reporter who wrote the story and also the author of "can't knock the hustle." not jay-z's song. this is a book. inside the season of protest, pandemic, and progress with the brooklyn nets superstars of tomorrow. thanks for your time, buddy. that last part of your headline is really interesting. explain how the antivax players are pushing around the league and why it seems to be working. >> so the nba told me thursday night it has now passed a conservative nfl with 90% of
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players vaccinated but my reporting for "rolling stones" indicates vaccine holdouts make up the sort of secret society of straight up antivaxxers. the family of kyrie irving a nets superstar here in brooklyn who once said the earth was flat which it isn't. they are out here denying the vaccine has worked which it has. they are talking about, quote, dr. fallacy. another player, jonathan isaac, was trying to explain masks don't work. then a conspiracy theory about moderna mind control which has spread to several locker rooms. this comes down to the nba players' union really one of the most powerful unions in america. their stance on vaccine mandate is nonstarter. so the vaccine deniers are in many ways setting the agenda here. >> right now san francisco and new york city requiring athletes indoors to be vaccinated. we've seen some hesitancy on vaccinations from you mentioned kyrie irving of the nets but
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also golden state warriors player andrew wiggins. explain why the nba can't just mandate a vaccination policy? >> it is really a collective bargaining labor issue. the nba's backed in a corner. here is america's most progressive sports league only getting bailed out by america's most progressive cities. the league finds itself in a real almost race against time and these conspiracy theories to get players vaccined in time for opening night. we are only talking about 30 or so players but the big questions the nba can answer with its limited power are will vaccinated players guilt trip their teammates into literally taking one for their team? will the nba's new covid rules which it has a little power over, a little wiggle room, will they maybe the lifestyle to the rich and famous who are unvaccinated so uncomfortable they almost give in to the shot or will it take a completely preventible outbreak, a superstar, superspreader event if you will, to force some sort of executive action here?
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>> matt, thank you for your insight. enjoyed it. i want you to come back. enjoy your weekend. >> appreciate that. right now back to capitol hill for a moment because congresswoman jayapal is speaking. >> i've already said that i need a vote and i'm also, i also said that if there is some other -- the reason i want a vote is i want to be assured there is no delay and there is no misunderstanding about what we agreed to. and so if there is something else that is short of a vote that somebody can offer me that gives me those same assurances i want to listen, but right now i'm still saying, you know, we need a vote. >> me? i'm here, baby. i'm here. >> how long do you anticipate this is going to take? >> i'll be here as long as i need to. >> so what is next? >> the negotiations are continuing, discussions are
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continuing. i'm in very close touch with the white house. they are obviously really working hard to, with the senators, and i'm keeping in touch with my caucus obviously to make sure i know what the temperature is of everybody and we're doing everything we can to get quickly to an agreement. listen, we are going to pass these two things. you all know capitol hill. it is a strange place. things -- i've only been here four and a half years. i still find it strange. things only happen here when there is urgency and, you know, some reason for people to be at the table. we've seen more progress in the last 48 hours than we have seen in a long time on reconciliation, on the build back better act. >> what about manchin and sinema? are you talking to them? >> i'm not -- i'd be happy to but right now those negotiations are with the white house. >> you said that things only get done on capitol hill when there is a sense of urgency, a deadline. we all know that is how it happens. when it comes to this there
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really isn't one. there is no deadline. this can get pushed and pushed. >> that's right. but i think the only thing we have here is that there are some people who really want to pass the infrastructure bill right now and so that, and that includes the two senators. and so i think that is allowing us to have people at the table once they realized that wasn't going to pass in the house. look, we tried to tell people this. that bill was crafted just with a small group of senators. we have a very small margin here in the house. we have said over and over again that in the house everybody is joe manchin and we have also a very strong progressive caucus. i'm just so proud of our caucus because they are standing up for people who feel like they have not been heard in this country for a very long time. people who came out and voted for the president because of this agenda. people who came out and delivered us, the house, the white house, and the senate because of this agenda. and they want to see us fighting
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for this agenda and that's what we're doing. at the end of the day we'll deliver both. >> thanks so much. thank you. >> congresswoman jayapal there outside the democratic caucus meeting that continues at this hour. you just heard the congresswoman say the negotiations are ongoing. they're continuing. also promising that these things will pass. the infrastructure bill, the bipartisan infrastructure bill, and that $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill or some form of it. she promised both of those things will pass. also in the last few moments congressman joaquin castro tweeting essentially the same thing. i would contend perhaps the thesis from congresswoman jayapal there, nothing in washington happens unless there
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is urgency. so there's that. that's going to do it for this hour. have a great weekend and we'll see you back on monday. "andrea mitchell reports" starts next. "andrea mitchell reports" starts next and there you have it- woah. wireless on the most reliable network nationwide. wow. -big deal! ...we get unlimited for just 30 bucks. sweet, i get that too and mine has 5g included. that's cool, but ours save us serious clam-aroonies. relax people, my wireless is crushing it. that's because you all have xfinity mobile with your internet.
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