thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. we are grateful. "the beat" with ari mel billy ray starts now. hi, ari. happy friday. >> happy friday. thank you so much, nicolle. we are jumping into the big story on "the beat." house liberals winning their tactical standoff last night. today president biden went to the scene of the pushback, going to congress to huddle with house democrats in private. on one side of the stakes, it is

actually his first meeting with the caucus since taking office. >> if i had a whistle on, i would whistle for it. >> speaker pelosi insisted she would get a floor vote last night, but she didn't. liberals held firm on that vow to block any watered-down package that fails to expand the safety net. many of them touting this as a procedural win. that's one headline. the progressive economist paul krugman meanwhile saying he views the plan as something where liberals gave biden a tactical victory here, holding the line and smoking out new information from the conservative holdouts in the senate. pelosi for her part projecting cool confidence about the negotiating left to do. >> after hours of meetings, the two sides still seem trillions of dollars apart. how do you bridge did gap? >> we're not trillions. >> speaker pelosi, will there be a vote today? >> when we have the vote --

>> the votes require those liberals in the house, and one of their most prominent leaders, aoc, is channelling tom pety vibes by insisting democrats won't back down saying they won't compromise by taking any more vague frameworks from the likes of joe manchin. >> reporter: is it framework enough? >> no. >> reporter: an agreed-upon framework? >> no, we need to vote. we need to be real. are we going to deliver universal pre-k to the country or not? are we going to expand health care to our seniors or not? are we going to invest in housing so people at home in nycha can get hot water or not? that's what we need to know. >> it is true that this week's showdown brought new details out of senator manchin, while the other hold out in the senate, sinema, remains vague but in touch. she was seen on the phone with president biden as he headed to the house meeting today. we have been covering this, and

it is basically how the week is ending. democrats know more than they did monday. progressives proved they can hold the line, and the senate conservatives are engaged. now, are the democrats closer to their goal of passing both biden packages, infrastructure and the safety net? still hard to say as the week ends. as a pandemic and a biden stimulus passing over $3 trillion in new spending was not going to be quick or easy. it is a massive amount of money. you know, it is hard to imagine a million dollars, let alone a billion. people talk about the three comma club of the rare people with billions and that's a lot of money. then you try to think about a trillion. well, a trillion is 1,000 billion, and biden is talking about over three of those, 3,000 billions. forget the billionaires. this is big time. this is the four comma club. to paraphrase the atlanta poet

navadia wibburn, biden is trying to mess up some commas. yeah, specifically four of them. as the rich got richer during the pandemic, biden is advocating a money shower for working people. as anyone who knows anything about making commas, it is a grind and it takes time. joining me is david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones. daniella with the center for american progress. daniella, i quote the future not as an endorsement of everybody or anything that he stands for, but he was talking about commas. four is a lot of commas. do you think the democrats are closer to the line or, as i mentioned, it is hard to tell at this hour? >> i think they're closer to the line honestly because they're still talking. i think there's an understanding that they need to get something done and that they need to pass

both bills. what we are talking about now really is process and trying to get an actual figure, a number from the senate to start negotiations and figure out what they need to do to be able to pass both bills. so, look, it wasn't a "no" vote. it is a "no" vote but i will take it over no bills whatsoever. i view what happened today, especially what biden said up there at the house, as progress. >> yeah, the president was busy today, david. take a listen to what biden said. >> i'm telling you we're going to get this done. it doesn't matter when. it doesn't matter whether it is in six minutes, six days or six weeks. we're going to get it done. >> reporter: mr. president, why has it been so challenging to the party? why isn't the party united? why isn't the party united?

>> come on, man. unite the party, 50/50. i got it. >> 50/50, i got it. david? >> well, there's no free-falling yet. he is just trying to run down a dream, to quote tom petty even further. you know, i think you can do it, i can do it. >> david. >> i think, you know -- >> david, you have to be fair. david, if you quote the petty, are you going to quote the mess up some commas as it were or are you going to leave that to the side? >> stop dragging my heart around, ari, okay? what's happening now is that there was an artificial deadline that the -- you know, the few moderates, which is a very small number of house democrats, had called for. they wanted to have this infrastructure bill, the bipartisan bill passed yesterday. why? there's still over a year before the next election or certainly a

lot of time before the next campaign begins, but they've pressed for this, and the progressives, really what they're doing here is they're not rebelling or revolting. they are supporting biden's own agenda. it was biden a few months ago who said he would like to see both passed at the same time, and they have the fear that, you know, unless joe manchin and kyrsten sinema commit to a certain deal at the end of the day, it may not be the $1.5 trillion manchin is talking about now, but come up with a deal and it looks like it is heading for a vote, that they're just not going to give the thing that he and kirsten sinema and the few house democratic moderates want and they've already agreed to. so right now they're the ones who are defending the biden agenda. i think at the end of the day all democrats know if they don't get these things passed they are cooked. they are cooked next november. so there's still a lot of time

and there's a lot of incentive to concentrate the mind of all sides here. so something is going to get done. i don't know. biden said it well, maybe not in six minutes, maybe not in six weeks, but somewhere down the road. >> yeah. well, david, you mentioned manchin. paul simon asked, who am i to blow against the wind and can you push the river, proverbially and people were out in the water doing a kayak protest of this house bill. take a look. >> this is our chance. we can't wait. >> we need to tax the rich. >> going to go broke in 2026. let us fix -- >> no! that's not true. tax the rich! >> we're taxing the rich. i agree, we're going to make the rich and the famous pay. >> they call themselves the kayak-ivists. shout out to water-based activism, david. you could see that senator

manchin there chose to engage. he was in a little bit of a back and forth, so it is kind of a funny scene. he did say he is for taxing the rich. of course, he is not necessarily for rolling back all of the republican tax cuts that made the tax code this way. he also said in his statement anything above $1.5 trillion, which is the self-described moderate biden agenda, would raise a sort of entitlement mentality. your thoughts? >> well, i think the activists are trying to build a bridge over troubled waters. but if you look at the statement that he made about this leading to an entitlement mentality, i think that's almost like mitt romney's 47% remark. he is saying that we give people, if we give seniors better health benefits with vision, hearing and dental, if we give universal pre-k, if we let young adults go to community college if they can't afford it now, give them that opportunity, we will develop an entitlement mentality, we will get lazy and

expect government handouts. all of these things are about expanding opportunity for people. actually, it is about putting people to work and making them work harder by hitting the books or making those pre-k kids stop lazing around the house. we're going to put it in preschool. so it is part of that right-wing pablum that government activism makes people lazy and it is just a handout. it was really, i think, upsetting for me to hear him say that and not have any reporter call him on it because it is not what is at play here. >> well, 47% was something that damaged mitt romney even though, as you say, it was a commonly held statement on parts of the right, but it actually didn't work in a national election where people were very offended by that, especially people who know just how much government time, energy and money goes towards subsidizing corporate welfare, et cetera. you know who broke that story. >> yeah, i'm familiar with it. >> david corn for those who

remember who breaks which story, which sometimes in fact only journalists remember, but it was a big scoop and it obviously had an impact on that campaign, so shout-out to david. the 47% analogy is interesting there. daniella, i'm curious what you think of that and really where you think manchin goes. is it 1.5-t and a little more so it is $1.6 or $1.7 trillion and it is the end of all of this or is there more unpredictability ahead? >> i think there's more unpredictability ahead. let me say the 47% comment from mitt romney seems like 100 million years ago right now. you know, i think we focus on a number because we felt that's what manchin and others were saying, but really what it is going to boil down to is what programs are you going to cut or scale back or what do you think, you know, you can get away with paring back to have but still have maximum impact. because at the end of the day this is about people's lives, and we have to remember it is

not about this political gamesmanship that is going on here in washington, d.c.. >> right. >> it is about helping to unrig the system that has been working for the wealthiest americans for decades. it is not a government handout orb anything like that. it is giving the rest of the american people, like, a helping hand, you know, to help, you know, make the system a little bit more equitable. i was trying to think of a tom petty quote, and the one that came to mind is that, you know, they don't know how we feel, to paraphrase. look, people in d.c. don't understand what is happening on the ground. the american people want democrats who they put into office over donald trump, over republicans in the senate and the house to get both bills done. so that's what needs to happen. >> david? >> well, i think that's right. i do think we, you know, politicize and game-ify what is going on. it is $3.5 trillion. it sounds like a lot. that's over ten years, too.

so it is 250 billion a year, and that's getting kind of close to how much jeff bezos has all by himself. that's $350 billion. this is something that's affordable. if you wanted to roll back the trump tax cut it would almost pay for most of this. so it is really a decision about what we want to say about our society. do we want to expand opportunity for kids or young adults to go to college? do we want to do something to make, you know, it even easier for the elderly? i say that as someone who is getting close to that, to stay in the workforce. you know, you give people better health care, you give people parental and medical leave, and there's actually a boost in productivity in the workplace. so these are all things that aren't making life just easier for people, which is not a bad thing in and of itself, but the making our society more dynamic and create more opportunity. >> yeah. >> and so that's why, you know,

so manchin is just looking at the dollar. he just wants to sort of show that he can fight back against spending, but that's really not going to help west virginia, which i checked on this today. it has the sixth worst poverty rate in the country, and so maybe he should be concerned about helping the people there than worrying about how he looks, whether he looks like an anti-spending crusader. >> that's a great point. i mean two things here. one, you both speak about the actual underlying values and the humanity at stake at a time of grain pain, which we have covered and i think is important. then, too, david, you made, you know, a mildly irreverent reference to, you know, being elderly. it is fine to be elderly, but we don't think of you as old. we just think of your simon and garfunkel references as old. >> well, indeed, they are old. one thing we also need to -- we talk about the social services here a lot, but the climate

change aspect is really tremendous. there may be a tom petty song about things getting hot, but we have seen it all along in this past year with what is happening. i don't hear manchin really talking about that either. so these are important things. the country is kind of at an inflection point. i think politically, culturally, demographically, generationally. it is kind of weird it is biden who is trying to lead us to the next phase, something that i hadn't expected we would see a couple of years ago. i would like manchin to get on the train. >> yeah. well, you know, part of wrapping it all together there is the point about climate, about education, about what these programs actually fund, is many of them, if they work -- and you always have to keep an open mind about what does or doesn't work in policy. but if they work, many of them pay it forward for america.

in other words in the long term they pay for themselves because not dealing with the climate crisis will be expensive, to deal with it only on an emergency basis, and helping people go to school and get educated and build up their communities and their own financial independence is good for them and it is also good for america. you sort of end up back in that domain, which i think is really important. as for the funding issues, we have something really special on that coming up. i will say thank you to david and daniella for kicking us off. david comes back for something special later, but we're going to get into, as mentioned, why people say -- you may have heard this. well, america can't afford something. they can't afford medicare funding. they can't afford pre-k, but then i think how much did the tax cuts cost and funding the wars. we have a very special guest on that. also new tonight, we haven't hit this story all week, a huge legal defeat for the right-wing conspiracy theorist alex jones. it is an important loss in court that also could affect open cases. by the end of the night we will be speaking to the one and only

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economy. >> so depending on what you watch, people -- some people are hearing a lot about that type of attack. but this is always a budget conversation about priorities regardless of the language or the scare tactics. so a lot of what the republican party has done historically is spend -- that is as a budgetary matter it costs the government money -- and give money essentially to people who already have it, corporations and the very wealthy. it is what i referred to recently as the corporate welfare. how does that compare to what is called welfare or programs for the middle class or the working poor? well, these are not rhetorical questions because it is the news. we will show you. the bush tax cuts cost about $1.5 trillion. then the trump tax cuts, another $1.9 trillion all in. or since the horrific 9/11 attacks, the united states, which expanded its foreign policy footprint, spent over $8 trillion roughly according to

brown university on wars abroad. this is all about what you want to pay for. now, some of those programs i just mentioned had bipartisan support. certainly the initial middle eastern foreign policy. some of them, like the big tax cuts, were more from the republican party, but republicans and democrats like joe manchin don't seem to have a problem with massive spending, trillions upon trillions depending upon what it is for. that's why even if somebody, whoever it may be, wants to sound like a, quote, unquote, fiscal conservative or as david corn and i were just discussing, well, someone wants to sound like the magic limit is $1.5 trillion, well, you went over that on the trump tax cuts and a lot of the money went to corporations. we don't even get into the deeper, honest debate here sometimes. here is something you probably didn't hear about. this was from about a week ago. the congress that is having this debate that stalled out over the

spending, well, it passed a $768 billion bill for the pentagon and the military. >> on this vote, the yays are 316. the nays are 113. the bill is passed. >> that was just last week. there certainly wasn't the kind of showdown debates we are hearing right now or even a lot of attention, but also had an enormous cost to taxpayers. if you put the number in context that's an annual pentagon budget, just annual. it comes out to $7.6 trillion when you march it out over a decade which is, as you can see, far more than the $3.5 trillion progressives want for the safety net. a former obama adviser discussing this today saying military spending gets almost no debate while less than half of the cost of investing in people and saving the planet is so hard to pass. very important to think about if we want to understand what is happening on capitol hill today, and we have special guests to get into it when we are back in

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with a special eye on what things cost and what we can afford, i want to bring back daniella gibbs leger, and my colleague, eamon mouldi. eamon, you have covered these issues abroad with what it takes when the u.s. makes these commitments abroad, the cost in every sense of the word. also as mentioned on your show, and i think viewers know, a keen eye on american politics as well. i want to go back, it is dwight eisenhower making this very point which could sound to some like a liberal point. he wasn't a liberal and he didn't mean it as a fact. he meant it as a fact. take a listen. >> every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final

sense, a theft from those who who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. >> eamon? >> you know, ari, i'm going to raise you one and quote someone for you. it was one of the most poignant quotes i have probably heard. it said, don't tell me about what you value, show me your budget and i will tell you what you value. you know who said that? it was president joe biden. he said that about 2008 about the american budget in terms of it revealing what america values and you raised a very good point. what is it that our budget reflect about our values? you just talked about the american military and how much it spent, $4 trillion in afghanistan alone, on a war that the american military says it strategically was a failure. so when it comes to the health and wealth and the environment of our children and our education and the families in this country, you have to ask whether or not our values and our budget reflects these values. the short answer to it is when you look at what the progressives and the democrats are fighting for, with the

exception of joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, it doesn't reflect the values of what elected democrats into office. the democrats voted into office did so on a platform of expanding child care, tax credits, helping the working class, helping the poor in this country. this right now is being stonewalled by two senators who don't obviously reflect those values in the broad sense of the word. you are talking about some of the military spending. the values, if you look at the military budget, reflect what appears to be a confrontation with china. you know, you are talking about a budget of $750 billion. even when the democrats, representative mark, tried to reduce it by 10% it failed in the house by nearly, you know, two-to-one margins. you can't even get an honest conversation about whether or not the military budget in this country at this point is actually the priority of what this country needs at this moment. >> yeah. daniella, you alluded to this

earlier. part of the political help tore tore -- rhetorical reason is some of the stuff is so popular, even on the center and the center right, that even conservative democrats or red state democrats don't want to say they're against it. i mean funding, for example, pre-k to help kids get a real fair start or the college programs we mentioned, i mean that's not that easy to be against. so there's a real emphasis on finding some other way and saying we can't afford it. you know, there are some countries that are so poor that statement is true. this is a country where, as mentioned, the tax cuts and other things show just how many trillions can slosh around. kind of a crazy thing to say, but it is true. take a listen to seth meyers who did a half joke/half truth about whether you really want to be against these things. >> i could tell you about all of the good this bill would do myself or you could just listen to a fox news host try to make it sound bad. >> free universal prekindergarten. free community college. free 12-weeks of family leave.

they want to extend the temporary child care credit with additional taxpayer subsidies for the rest of time. >> if you want to know who republicans are, just look at what horrifies them. they want sustainable housing, these monsters! >> daniella? >> right. i mean it is not funny at all, and i can only imagine what people who live in other parts of the world where these things aren't debated, they're just done, are thinking about this debate right now. you know, i used to joke around with my parents about -- we would talk about politics around the dinner table and, you know, say, look, the american government seems to be able to find money for whatever they really want to support, and i think it is true. so, like, this argument that we're having, it is a bad faith argument because there is money to pay for these programs, which, as you point out, is less than half of the defense budget that was just approved and there are pay-fors for this.

so, you know, the argument that we're really having here is that there is one party that does not want to give any assistance to seemingly anyone who isn't an extremely wealthy person or a corporation. there are a couple of democrats who i can't get into their minds so i cannot tell you what truly their objections are to what is happening here because they say they support these things. but the majority of the american people support all of these policies. we know that it will have a huge benefit as we talked about earlier, not just for the individual family but on the productivity of this country. so this argument that we keep having about is it this amount or that amount, it is really infuriating because, again, we are talking about impacting everyday lives. >> eamon, the bigger question that comes to the security side is why is it so much easier to get the u.s. under either party to spend so much on foreign policy and wars, so much easier

than this kind of spending? >> you know, there's probably two answers to that. one, the amount of lobbying and corporate interests that are involved in the military spending. again, to go back to dwight eisenhower the military industrial complex is a huge factor in this. the amount of money spent in the system, put into the system is also by design meant to draw votes to those in congress. you know that every part of a military tank or airplane or battleship is made in a blue state and a red state. when you are getting that kind of money pumped into your districts, into your states, it becomes harder to say i don't want that going to the employees and to the people working in those factories making those weapons. it doesn't necessarily reflect how those weapons are going to be used because you can talk about the f-35 fighter jet, which has been a complete waste of money and a boondoggle according to the pentagon itself, by the way, that's $1.5 trillion that went down the drain to build a weapon system that is barely usable at this point. you have to wonder whether or not it is purely because of politics and internal pressures as opposed to what is actually producing on the outcome side of

it. as i said yesterday, i made this point, you know, unfortunately the health and wealth of our children does not -- is not as profitable for lobbyists -- >> right. >> -- and others and corporate interests in this country as is the military industrial complex. it is a sad fact in the reality of the way bills are made in this country. >> yeah, the way washington works under its current rules, which is important to understand as people are asking these questions. daniella, thank you. eamon, thank you. a shout-out to eamon which is saturdays at 8:00 p.m. and sundays at 9:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. up ahead, a legal story we have not hit all week but big, bad news for alex jones in court. it is about accountability and it could have implications for a lot of other pending cases including on the big lie. protect with deep repair has the science to show that the toothpaste goes deep inside the exposed dentin to help repair sensitive teeth. my patients are able to have that quality of life back. i recommend sensodyne repair and protect with deep repair.

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some big legal news and you need to know about this. we have been covering a lot of stories as you may have noticed, including the federal news in washington, d.c. this is a local story with national implications and a reckoning for the conspiracy theorists and right-wing agitator alex jones. this case has been around for a while but the news here is big and definitive. a judge has ruled against him today in a defamation suit that was brought by sandy hook parents whose kids were murdered in that massacre. he is being hit with damages, losing a key part of the case, and the suit was brought after jones was peddling lies. to be clear, things that he knew

completely were lies and were malicious. just to give you context, he said something false, he alleged somehow that shooting was not real or a hoax, that there were actors doing it. the court asked him to provide evidence, he couldn't because, of course, it was a lie. the judge says jones' conduct in the case was the result of flagrant bad faith and callous disregard for his responsibility and the rules, the conspiracies and the rhetoric have led to many problems in the real world. there is a wide, wide berth for free speech in this country. i have reported on that and i have reported on how that requires us to live with and deal with speech we disagree with. this is not about that. this was about malicious, knowing defamation, and it led to real-world harassment of those grieving families. i am a journalist so i generally try to use the evidence and the facts to show you the story. i will just tell you what it led those families to go through was

sick, and then came the lawsuit. >> he no longer gets to desecrate my son's memory. he no longer gets to negate my pain and profit from it. you and i both know where we were on that night and the pain that came with that event. >> with that -- that false news, he doesn't -- he just doesn't care who he hurts, the impact that it has on people who already had the worst thing that could ever happen in your life, to lose a child. >> the father there saying, quote, alex jones doesn't care who he hurts, the impact on the people who had had the worst thing that could ever happen in your life, to lose a child. so let me make one other point here. this is a choice these parents had to make and it is a choice i don't think anyone would wish on anyone in that grieving

situation, but they did say enough is enough. this took years and the court system does, but they felt that they had to stand up and act and use the rights afforded to them in our system to hold mr. jones accountable, and they won, which is a big deal because they acted. that action now and this ruling now is a reminder to other people out there who might want to do similar things or already have, it is a warning shot, for example, the right-wing news outlets like newsmax and fox news for defaming and lying about people or our voting systems or fanning the flames of conspiracy that have led many to lean into violence in the insurrection. free speech protects many, many things. it does protect objectionable ideas. it does not protect malicious defamation or acts which directly incite violence. it is an update we wanted to give you on an important story.

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migrants are back in haiti right now after the biden administration deported them from a makeshift camp at the southern border. the u.n. warning against deporting more migrants to the country, saying the u.s. in haiti is a humanitarian problem of dire proportions. now, msnbc's jacob soboroff has been covering all of this today. he traveled but u.n. aircraft to see the food distribution efforts in an area devastated by the earthquake and he joins me live from port-au-prince, haiti. what are you seeing here on the ground that could help us understand this crisis? >> reporter: hey, ari. you know, it is a very complex and very devastating situation on the ground here. i think, you know, the reason that we're here just up front is

that, you know, the biden administration has expelled thousands of migrants back here to haiti. it is a place that has extreme political instability following the assassination of the president. it is the poorest country in the western hemisphere. there's incredible amounts of food insecurity. today we traveled by airplane as you mentioned with the united nations and went to a remote region on the other peninsula of this country, and what we saw is just absolutely incredible poverty. that's the context in which the biden administration is expelling people back here. it is why the biden administration had a delegation on the ground here in port-au-prince over the course of the last couple of days. but when you talk to people, this level of poverty is only alleviated by aid from organizations like the united nations who we are with today. the big question becomes what of all of the migrants sent back here, what happens with them? we saw them all under the bridge in del rio, texas, and once they come back here, it is a country many haven't been in for years,

some as long as a decade and this is the situation they face on the ground. that is what the biden administration basically has to answer for with this immigration policy that they put forward. >> and you are also reporting on the strain on the hospitals. let's take a look at some of that. >> in some areas there are violence, so medical staff do not have access to the health facilities. so that's why they have to close. >> reporter: for people who have never experienced life in haiti, what you're saying is things are so violent in certain areas of haiti that doctors, nurses, other health care providers cannot actually get to the hospitals to help patients? >> yes. >> how does that figure into the humanitarian challenge that you are seeing? >> reporter: well, this is one of the most violent big cities in the world, ari, and that is the chief mission for ems for doctors without borders.

what she told me is that their operations had to cease in a part of this country because of essentially urban warfare, gang warfare on the streets of haiti. so doctors without borders is operating here at that clinic that we went to, that hospital. what we saw is basically a trauma center, like you would see in the united states, but what they have there are multiple gunshot victims a day, stabbings, people who are getting into car crashes not because they're fender benders but because they're literally fleeing gang violence. again, that's just the reality on the ground. you know, i'm not making any assumptions or judgments about the biden administration immigration policy, but what i can tell you in watching folks who have been deported and expelled back to this country by the biden administration which professes to want to create a fair, safe, equitable, humane system, those haitians, and many have said this, coming back to one of the most dangerous, food insecure and poor countries on the planet. you know, the big question is what is going to happen to these migrants. what they tell me, many that i

have talked to both today and over the course of the last couple of days at the airport once they get deported here is they may well try again and the biden administration may have to be ready for another influx of folks coming from haiti back to the united states. >> right. it shows what people are up against and why emergency migration, attempted migration is such a tough decision for people but what they face when they're turned back can be all that much tougher. you are showing some of that, shining a light on it. thank you for your reporting and stay safe, jacob soboroff. up ahead we have something very special to end the week, part of it serious, part of it fun, and the meaning of justice. charlemagne the god and david corn next. arlemagne the god and corn next. i'm susan and i'm 52 and i live in san francisco, california. i have been a sales and sales management professional my whole career. typical day during a work week is i'm working but first always going for a run or going to the gym.

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the legendary radio personality charlamagne and radio hall of famers that interviewed everyone from the biggest music starss o and he's founder of the blackfect podcast, best selling author and he is taking talents to late night. he has a new comedy show produced by stephen colbert, "the god's honest truth." how do you top that? david corn, washington burro chief for mother jones. a best selling author on his own. three "new york times" best sellers and the winner of the george fork award in 2012. welcome to both of you. charlamagne, you got to know david was talking music at the top of the hour doing his thing. great to see you again. congratulations on your success as mentioned and what is on your

fall back list, charlamagne. >> first of all, ari, thank you. david, thank you, as well. to be honest, i need to fall back. i'm tired, man. me and my wife welcomed our fourth child into the world on monday. >> congratulations. >> when you're at home and the water breaks, i felt like i've been up here and today i crashed. everybody is home and safe and i'm like i can't wait to sleep. >> yeah. i hear that. that's wild. >> yeah. >> you're sleeping in about 18 years, is that what you're saying? >> huh? >> in about 18 years. >> yeah, and this is my fourth. i got four girls. i got blessed with another blessing in fact form of a black woman. i got four beautiful girls. i'm 4 for 4 with women.

i produce queens. >> there is a big difference for 4 for 4 and 444 we we won't do that right now. a great jay-z album. i'll give charlamagne dealer's choice. you can move to your fall back list or tell us what being a father, what fatherhood taught you, whatever you want to do. >> awe, man. fatherhood, especially being a father of four girls, like, i think it gives you a different level of empathy. you know what i mean? i think about how i grew up as a child. you know, i had my grandmother and my mother. they instilled that empathy in me. i love my father to death bus i think he came from a different era so it was more about, you know, discipline more than anything and i think just me going to therapy the past few years, you know, a long with that empathy, it gave me empathy for my children but just for others like it gave me a sense of empathy for my father, as

well. because i'm like you know what? he was just doing the best he could with what he had at the time. that's the good answer. the other answer came from my 6-year-old this week. my 6-year-old said to me the day after my fourth daughter was born, she said so what is it? . i was like it's a girl. my 6-year-old goes poor you. poor you. [ laughter ] >> so yeah, poor me. >> david, what do you think about this dad talk? >> well, you know, i would say i'm half as blessed as you charlamagne because i went 2 for 2 with daughters. >> wow. >> and i'm on the other end of the journey that you are because my youngest daughter just went off to school, to college for her sophomore year of the covid thing around us probably more than she wanted to and she called me today very excited

because her favorite professor had asked her to t.a. one of his classes in the winter. so i'm here. the birds have flown. i've got a nest behind me. i get to sleep when i can, unlike you. and i learned a lot along the way with having my bevy of women in the house. so -- >> well, it's funny -- >> to keep going after two or three, you're a brave man, very brave man and -- >> i didn't -- >> i don't want to get into this in the news, charlamagne but the point you make about what you learned from your daughters, right, or how that's affected you and empathy, that's beautiful to share. you mentioned therapy. shoutout to therapy. and now you are making me think of jay-z to close the week because did he not say times was harder, i had the armor, i had a daughter, i had to get softer.

>> absolutely. 100%. that's crazy you even mentioned the 444 album. the 444 album is one of my favorite jay-z albums because it provided the sound track for my life now. fatherhood. marriage. you know, entepreneur shipship, doing the work yourself. not leading with ego. having to kill that ego. you might need a little ego because sometimes you got to remind these fools not to lead with ego, you know, because ego is the enemy my man said. >> facts. 15 seconds, david. final for the week. >> well, i still tear up every time i watch "to kill a mockingbird." anything about a daddy and a daughter gets me and i think it always will. so i'm glad to share this week with you and your latest blessings. thanks for me and from the audience, charlamagne for

bringing us to the end of the long, long week. >> no, thank you, david. it's very important to note since david is an empty nester, he probably doesn't have any pants on right now. that's a duty of an empty nester. >> or sweat pants, something. >> i can't wait to feel that in 20 years. yes. >> there we go. we didn't know this was a conversation we were going to have, but here we are because we listen to our guests on fall back. i love it. congratulations to you and your wife and family charlamagne. "the god's honest truth" fridays. i got to get it to joy. thanks for watching "the beat." joy reid is on next. >> have a great weekend. all right. everyone, cheers. good evening. we begin "the reidout" with a win for progressive democrats. 24 hours after the self-imposed deadline to vote on a bipartisan infrastructure bill, a critical element of president biden's agenda, progressive democrats have fundamentally changed the