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road in honor of spanish heritage month, and i cannot wait to share the consideration i had with an incredible group of latin x texas ns with you. good morning to you. it is saturday, october the 2nd. we've got a big new development in the investigation into the deadly january 6th insurrection this morning. the house select committee investigating the capitol hill attack is putting some bite behind its bark. the chair of that committee, betty thompson, is threatening to issue so-called criminal referrals for people who defy the committee's subpoenas. >> the only thing i can say is the committee will probably, to those who don't agree to come in voluntarily, will do criminal referrals and let that process work out. >> now, that warning follows a wave of new subpoenas issued
this week, following key allies, allies who helped organize the rally that took place before the capital attacked. amy kramer is the founder and chair of woman for america first. it is a conservative rallies that helped organize rallies on and before october 6th. and trina thompson who was a campaign aid. they are expected to testify before the house select committee in the coming weeks. and the panel is asking them for records for the planning, the funding and the participation in those preceding rallies and bus tours. this could prove to be a watershed moment in the investigation, where we could learn more about what was doing what in the lead-up to the capital attack. and the deadline is hit for those hit with the committee's previous subpoenas. confidants like steve bannon,
mark meadows and kash patel have until next thursday to hand over any documents related to the attack. they will sit down for a deposition the following week. now, while the ex-president expects them to defy the subpoenas, that's probably not the smartest move. this department of justice might actually enforce the law. joining me now is phillip bump, a national correspondent to "the washington post." thank you. let's start with this new round of subpoenas. these are names, not necessarily known for the average public. maybe if you are a cable watcher, you will have known them, but the committee has deemed these other people, this
next circle of people to be essential in finding out what happened. >> obviously we're doing some tea leaf reading here pretty early in the committee. but the central question seems to be how is it these rallies came together? first gathering everyone to the city on january 6th but also we're involved in moving people to the capital. i very quickly want to point out there were a couple different things happening that day. there was the big rally right outside the white house. but there is also the second rally that had long been planned since december that was supposed to happen after the hill itself. that is fascinating because it included alex jones, roger stone. that was also located on the capital grounds. at some point between december 20th or so and the day of the attack, those two events merged into one thing. so the question is what happened
to the -- who first planned any rallies at all on that day? how were the two eventually joined? and who at the white house might have known about and helped guide the interaction? >> a lot of people like most americans don't really understand what has to happen. do you have to go? why is the chair of the committee talking about criminal referrals? and who is he talking about, this new group of people or this first four who have been subpoenaed? >> it seems likely he is talking about the first four. because donald trump was president at the time, you know, if you were still president today, he would likely claim all of his communications with any of those staffers were excepted from any sort of analysis like this. if you are the president, you can have confidential conversations with your staffers and that can be subpoenaed because it affects your decision-making process to the president. the question is to which that
still exists for the former president. i have seen legal arguments both ways. but it seems to be focussed on who donald trump was talking to in the white house. he was president and there was this oval office meeting in which they shunted some of these more extreme speakers to a different event. i think it is really focussed on the staffer. >> phil, you were writing an article about how the january 6th gop messaging is working, the down playing of that event. we have heard that from people who have told us, come on, this is like impeachment number two. it doesn't need to happen. he was impeached. tell me more about the fact that the messaging is resonating and who it is resonating with. >> yeah. so there is new polling which actually looked at -- they evaluated to the expect they thought this was essentially being overblown and those found in the attack needed to be prosecuted.
back in march, they somewhat or very much felt there would be prosecutions of people who stormed the building on that day. now only a quarter of republicans think it's very important that that happened. at the same time, republicans are much more likely to say there is more attention on january 6th. this is a conservative effort made by trump and his allies. even further than that, saying the people that are political prisoners are being targeted because of their ideology. it's like it doesn't mesh with reality, but, you know, then this is donald trump. >> phil, good to see you this morning. phillip bump is the national correspondent for "the washington post." i want to bring in jones. his congressional district includes westchester and rockland counties. and he is always a good sport
about joining us early in the morning. good to see you. i want to start with this january 6th stuff because benny thompson is we will go after you if you don't respect your subpoena. we will come after you. mixed with what phil has been reporting. the importance of january 6th is decreasing. i just want to get your take on that. >> well, it speaks to the fact that our democracy is in crisis. the idea that the violent, domestic terrorist-led insurrection at the capital that nearly resulted in deaths tells you everything we need to know about who are the adults in the room, so to speak, and why it is so important that democrats
retain control of the majorities in congress that they currently had because the alternative is too grim to contemplate. >> so the idea about retaining control is passing legislation or doing things that americans want. and that is part of a big budget reconciliation bill and the smaller infrastructure bill, neither of which have gone through congress. there are a lot of observations, a lot of ink that's been spilled on how the democratic party is feeling a little dysfunctional right now. i have been making the case that you all were negotiating. this is the messy business of government. what is your take on it? >> and i appreciate those observations by you, ali, because, i've got to tell you, we are so much closer today to passing the vast majority of president biden's economic agenda, which is contained in the larger reconciliation bill than we were before progressives
decided to insist upon what the original agreement was and what the originally stated plan by the speaker, the majority leader and the white house was until ten rogue democrats insisted upon arbitrary deadline of september 27th to pass a much smaller bipartisan infrastructure deal. we want to pass both of these deals, both of those bills, obviously. but let's be very clear about what we're talking about. we're talking about the expansion of medicare to include dental, vision and hearing, high quality, affordable child care for everybody in this country and of course life saving planet action among so many other things including paid family leave. we have to pass both of these bills. it is unacceptable to only pass the smaller bill and now, through our efforts, through the efforts of progressives, manchin and kyrsten sinema are finally talking about their top lines for the reconciliation bill.
where as a week ago manchin was talking about a larger reconciliation bill next year. >> yeah. so as an economic guy, i'm always cautious to tell people not to concentrate on the dollar amounts. but i feel like we have lost the plot year in that you talked about medicare expansion and child care. does it not lose the plot of, are we investing in things that will provide a return on investment for the taxpayer dollars that are being spent in it and make people better and stronger? shouldn't that be the test for what gets passed? rather than saying $1.5 versus $3.5. why don't we talk about what's in it, what should say. >> that's what a lot of folks, including the president of the united states who yesterday has supported the strategy of progressives that we must agree on a reconciliation bill before
we pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill have been saying to people like manchin and kyrsten sinema. what portion do you want to undermine? what aspect of the medicare expansion, which has 90% support among the american people including in west virginia, one of the poorest states in the union would you do away with? as we see the devastating effects of climate form in the form most recently of hurricane ida, what aspect of the climate action, which is required to save the planet and ensure a livable future and also in the process create hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of good paying jobs would you cut? and, so, that is what should be the center of gravity. that is what should be the discussion. instead, people want to throw out arbitrary numbers. of course, all this is paid for.
as the president reiterated yesterday. the $3.5 trillion is all paid for. >> congressman, we have discussed it before and we will discuss it again at any time, but you actually come from a place where you recognize some of these benefits would be applied because you as a young man grew up experiencing what happened when the government does decide to invest in its people. thank you for joining. we have a lot more to come on a power-packed edition of "velshi." we will continue the infrastructure conversation early in the hour with jamaal bowman. we break down the january 6th commission with representative jaime raskin. plus, finding out exactly what matters in their lives. and nbc's jacob soberoff standing by in haiti with the
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august 14th earthquake, straining any capacity to receive returning haitians. conditions in haiti continue to be dire and not conducive to forced returns, end quote. my colleague has been covering the situation in haiti. yesterday he flew to the united nations in a remote southern part of the country affected by the earthquake. he joins us now live from the capital. jacob, what is the situation there? >> reporter: well, exactly as the un said it, ali. it is dire. so we have been here for most of the last week. we saw those migrants returning at the airport to confusion and dismay. we went with doctors without borders to see really the victims of pervasive violence in this city largely controlled by armed gangs at this point. and yesterday we traveled with the world food program in the south of france where people were starving from malnutrition and food insecurity before the
earthquake and now things are worse than ever. the challenge is finding out who is actually helped. watch this. >> you need to properly identify who they are, where they are to do a properly registration and the assistance you would give them. >> no, in other words, everyone is so vulnerable, you really have to most the most vulnerable of the vulnerable. >> exactly. >> so that was the head of the un's world food program here in haiti. you heard him. they have to figure out who the most vulnerable are. that's the situation that migrants sent back to the united states are arriving to. >> continues to be a devastating situation there and for those my grants. this morning dmen traitors protesting the ongoing attacks
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but whatever it is it will likely be appealed and there are other challenges for texas. no matter how prohibitive, texas abortion laws don't put an end to the practice of abortion. they just make it harder and more dangerous for women to attempt those services. texas has sought to circumvent roe v. wade by making it financially and logistically difficult for them to keep their doors open. today there are less than two dozen abortion clinics in the second most populus state in america. the law has already caused a ripple effect in the region. in the one month that the texas ban has been in effect, abortion clinics in neighboring states have seen a surge of patients from texas putting a strain on their staff and resources. one oklahoma clinic saw only 11 patients from texas in the month
of august. to talk about the burdens that abortion providers are facing, i'm joined by one of the only four abortion clinics left in oklahoma. also here to help us analyze the latest legal news about the abortion bill is joyce vance. good morning to you both. rebecca, let's start with you. i want to read something from the new york times about trust women. it says trust women had 11 texas patients in august. it had 110 so far in september. september has now ended. patients come from as far away as galveston and corpus christi. some drive through the night in time for a morning appointment. the clinic's schedule is full for weeks, and there are stories that go along with that of women who are in desperate straits, rape victims, the spouse of an abuser who are trying to get this all done without somebody
finding out about it or driving to get an abortion and having to get back to work the next day. this is a dire situation for women in need of these kinds of services. >> absolutely. and, you know, let's not forget the only people that we're able to see right now are the people who are able to make it out of texas, the people who can find a reliable ride, who can get the child care, who can take the time off work. many patients told us that they or their partners have lost their jobs trying to request this time off of work. and it's absolutely an undue burden. it's hundreds of people each week who are going outside of the state to seek this care and they're traveling during a pandemic. they are traveling with their children oftentimes and, you know, we are providing as much
funding as we can. we are working with dozens of groups to provide housing, to provide help with gas cards and still it is not enough, though. >> yeah. just to be clear, if you are driving from corpus christi to oklahoma city, let's say, it is a nine-hour drive. this is not an easy thing. joyce, let's talk about this department of justice suit against the texas bill, the discussion in federal court saying this is meant to circumvent a constitutional right under roe v. wade. what is the likelihood of the success of the arguments? and what are the arguments that the department of justice is making? >> well, this is the second bite at the apple. of course, we know the earlier case resulted in the supreme court refusing to enjoin the bill. now that's what doj is trying to do. they're trying to block the bill from going forward while
mitigation over the merits, the constitutionality is ongoing. and the district judge i think, asked the primary question that's at stake here yesterday in the hearing. he asked the state of texas. if you are so convinced that your law is constitutional, why did you go to so much trouble to avoid having the state enforce it, to engage in this sort of vigilante justice that's designed to escape review from federal courts? that's what we will have to look at when he decides whether or not to enjoin the bill, given roe v. wade which guarantees there is a strong chance with the law figured the way it is now decides the mississippi case in this upcoming turn. the law now clearly gives women the ability to make the choice at the six-week mark and even at the 15-week mark. it would be tough for pittman to not conclude that the law should be joined while proceedings continue. >> the law is having the desired
effect. it is chilling providers. i don't know whether it was written by men who don't understand the relevance that at six weeks a lot of women may not know they're pregnant or it is written by men who at six weeks may not know they are pregnant. but a lot of women are showing up at texas service providers and they are having to, under the law, tell them we can't help you. >> yeah. and it is always difficult to turn someone away. we know what that means for them, their family. it leads to health care outcomes. it leads to homelessness and the people who can't access this care are the people that don't speak english as their first language, who are reliable access to basic health care to begin with. this is a region of the country where both states did not expand medicate. so even if they wanted to keep their pregnancy and carry it to term, it is very difficult for them to find an obgny that they
can afford. and, joyce, the interesting thing from a legal perspective is a number of other states, including south dakota, florida and others are saying we're looking carefully at this texas law to see if we can do something similar in ourselves. but in a lot of states in the south including alabama, oklahoma, they are facing greater and greater restrictions on abortion anyway. >> it's a landscape that's designed to limit the rights of women. the ultimate question here is always who gets to make decisions about women's bodies? women themselves or the state? and, so, the ultimate goal here has been to remove that decision-making power from women. and although in the next supreme court term in the dogs face out of mississippi, we may finally see this reversal of roe v. wade. we're seeing this incremental measures designed to make it for
difficult. and to your point, because that covers this continuous swath of the deep south and other parts of the country, women in those states have an increasingly lessened ability to travel and obtain services. now women in texas are going to oklahoma. women will have to travel further and further and ultimately will be relegated to back allies to get abortions if they choose to. >> oklahoma used to have a lot more abortion clinics and now it is down to just a handful, rebecca. thanks for being here and keeping this in front of our audience. joyce vance is a former united states attorney and. still to come, the importance of hispanic heritage month. velshi is available as a podcast. you can listen to the show any where, any time.
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latest velshi across america conversation. this centered around his spannic heritage month. and they are not wrong. the people we know as hispanic or more commonly now latino for latin x have been in america longer than there has been an america. the spanish empire in what is today america included almost all of today's california, arizona, new mexico, texas, louisiana, mississippi, alabama and florida and several more states. there were spanish speaking people in texas and briefly until 1845 when texas was an independent country. in 1845 texas joined the united states and mexicans who had been citizens of the texas republic became outsiders in their own land. white settlers from the united states came down the mississippi
from as far north as nashville, tennessee, and started to take over. didn't happen all at once, but over time. the texas-born mexicans were soon out numbered, so the anglos restricted their access to voting, made it more difficult for them to hold on to land and used police violence including by the famed texas rangers against them. it kept intensifying. might sound familiar to you. it could be the next book definition of colonization, except it probably wasn't in the textbooks you were reading in grade school. you like most people with an american education were probably fed fables about the courageous white settlers like day vi krokt and daniel boone defending the alamo against the mexican invasion. the mexicans just wanted their land back. but they lost. and to the victor goes the
spoils and the historical narrative. spanish speaking people who were converted willingly or unwillingly by spanish and mexican missionaries and their often mixed descendants were in this country long before the pilgrims but their history is overlooked or whitewashed. it could mean you are a recent immigrant or descendant from people who populated america since america's oldest city in 1513. more than 500 years ago. so when folks tell latin-x people in this country to go back to where you came from, for those living in texas, the land literally used to be mexico. they didn't cross the border. the border crossed them. and having an accurate grasp on this country's history is essential to our identity, especially for the black and the brown people whose history is being ignored simply because
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of covid on the latin x community. here some of my conversation. >> the thing that we need to recognize when we look at race and culture is that we want to be appreciative of how people want to term themselves. and, so, i don't use the word hispanic. i know that a lot of san antonioans and a lot of latinos use it. the thing for me is it is a government derived word that was started with the census and so it was a way to lump a racial group together. and, so, again i'm not necessarily saying that it's wrong, but i like to use their term latino or latina. and then i work with young people. and when we celebrate latin x heritage month, they use the term latin x because it is gender neutral and it is
inclusive. one of the things that i think we need to clear up front is it is not a race. it's an ethnicity. i come from a large family, and i have, you know, some that are from europe, some that are native american, some that are african-americanment and the reality is that we're not a race. we're a self-identified culture and ethnicity. there is no race, just a human race. if you look at the genome and what is the difference between african-american, non-hispanic life, there is crosses all over. and you can't define, this is a race. this is a race. having said that, it is important to keep race in the conversation because it does motivate action, political action, social justice, et cetera. >> yeah. i agree with you that i te in, d to see people for people. but as an immigration attorney, i also see the direct impact for individuals. i remember -- i have been doing this for over 20 years, but i
remember back in 9/11, we had great clients that weren't allowed on the plane because of their background. it's extreme right now. the politics are extreme. how do you get in front of that? i think by talking about these distinctions, these differences and at the same time that we're not involved in this group. i'm mexican american, born in mexico. english is my second language. my experience is different from, you know, somebody that's coming maybe from el salvador where it is extreme poverty, violence. and coming in is very different. so i think it is really important to recognize that, maybe understand. right? is science of it is they're not different races where people ultimately. that's maybe the common thread where we start that i really think it is important to recognize the cultural identities and the impact on that. >> growing up, i never heard the
word hispanic. i didn't hear that until probably a couple years ago. that's the truth, right? and the reality is growing up i was told i was mexican because i'm mexican american, right? my parents are from mexico. spanish was our first language. i didn't learn english until third grade and i was in esl classes all the way through because i had to learn it the right way. but i don't know that changed us. i have been called a lot of other things i won't mention here today. but the reality is if -- you know, what is the need to put us in a box? what is the purpose? if that is explained more to the community, then we would say, okay, then we need it because of what. and the work that you do is very powerful because are we really putting them in a box because we need to say they have these categories to come in? when the reality is the latinos are here. we're working. we're living here. i mean, there has to be
something else and i don't know that that category putting us in a box, what is the purpose and what does it really do? >> i'm second generation. i was born here. so are my parents. and i feel like i grew up with spanish. but, you know, in the sensuous it or lose it, i lost it, so i don't have a lot. so i felt like growing up, i have always had a language barrier. even though i know and i relate to all of these things, i still feel lost sometimes and on the outside because i don't feel like i can fully relate or understand. i express and share the same views as people but i don't feel like i can say, hey, i feel this way because a lot of people wouldn't agree that, hey, you don't understand or you don't get it because you are not fully mexican or you didn't go to mexico. i was telling my mom that i feel at a disadvantage because i haven't been to mexico yet. so because i know the culture and the language and obviously i
love the food. i haven't been, so i feel like i'm missing a part of that life for myself. >> my father only spoke spanish when he was young and got a lot of pushback from that. so growing up, it was really looked down upon to speak spanish. so he actually failed the first grade because he couldn't speak english. i think that had a traumatic effect on him and the way we were raised. really, we were not encouraged to speak spanish. so there was spanish in the home, but that was not encouraged because of the negative ramifications that he went through his early years in school. >> so assimilation was more the goal as you were growing up. >> yes. i would say more making a quote, unquote american. and i think there is a lot. i came in when i was nine years old, and i didn't know any english either. >> yeah. >> and it was total emergence. you come in, we're going to transform you into this. and i think irish people ran into that.
italians. >> you make a distinction between assimilation and transformation. >> i think we have a beautiful culture. we really do. i think we need to maintain that culture. but we do need assembly. and i think there is a difference between transforming. >> right. >> but i think we need to keep our culture. >>s that one portion of our very powerful conversation. join us tomorrow to hear more of it, specifically how latin x people think the biden administration should tackle immigration and what needs to be done to increase covid vaccinations in the community. you won't want to miss that conversation. as the women's march prepares to rally in hundreds of states across the country, we're reminded of all the other women-led revolutions, including the me too movement. her new memoire and the state of the movement in 2021. stick around. the savings event. the homeandautobundle xtravafestasaveathon!
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me too. activist and founder of me too tarana burke shares how and why she started the movement, extensive work empowering black and brown girls and what ultimately led her to save those two words that became the rallying cry of millions of women across the globe. in her memoir she writes, quote, it was clear that folks using the me too hash tag and the hollywood actresses who came forward with the allegations needed the same thing that the little black girls in selma, alabama, needed -- space to be seen and heard, end quote. tarana joins me and she is the founder of the me too movement and the author of "unbound." thank you for joining us to help us to continue to understand what has been an evolving story and it has been for a very, very long time. i want to read a quote from the book saying other than these women being survivors.
you are talking about hollywood actresses and others started to use the term. other than those being survivor of sexual violence none of what was happened in hollywood within my own community for so many years. seeing me too, the phrase i had seen my work and purpose around being used was jarring. tell us about that. >> hi, ali. >> nice to see you, friend. >> nice to see you. it was jarring. imagine waking up and having your life's work spread across social media and you not being connected to it in any way? i was really scared that it was going to be separated from its origins and how it started because nobody talked about black women and sexual violence or black girls and sexual violence anyway and now this work that i had built on its phrase and it was still being disassociated. it was jarring, and it was scary. >> want to read something else
that was very, very strong in your book about abuse in the black community. you write when it comes to sexual violence in the black community the culture of secrecy and silence is more complex than just wanting to protect the perpetrator. the long history of false accusations of sexual violence against black men along with our tumultuous relationship with law enforcement is a factor. the pain of watching folks twist themselves out of shape finding new ways to blame little black girls for their own abuse plays a part and the general ranking of sexual violence is minor in the structural racism plays a role in how hard it is for us to stare down the monster that is sexual violence and call it out by name. you're covering a lot there, what's your sense of what has e merged and what has developed and what has resolved as it relates to sexual violence in the black community? >> well, i think that we made some progress and i'm not just saying that because of the
recent court cases, but i think having in the wake of me too going viral, having a black person be the face of it has been helpful, i think, in the community to talk about it, but we still face an uphill battle for the reasons that i named there, but i do think that we're making some progress at least with this younger generation and the folks are talking about it very bluntly, very plainly and won't stand for a lot of the same things that a lot of us had to stand for in the past. >> you have made that point a lot, right? the real change isn't what we've seen in the last few years. this has been the ability to shame people who can be shamed in media, high-profile people, but the real issue of sexual violence, no matter what your xolor or your gender identity is in this country is still hidden and difficult and requires cultural change for that to go away.
>> absolutely. we can change the laws we want and the policies we want and until we have a shift in the culture here, and until we dismantle rape culture and until we talk about sexual violence head-on and not have a stigma around it we will not see significant change and interrupting sexual violence in this country because it is deeply embedded in the culture of america. >> the shame does exist around it and the fear of losing your job if you report someone who is higher than you for someone that feels like harassment or worse still completely exists. there are entire industries that are untouched by me too. >> oh, absolutely and even industries that have been touched by it have only scratched the surface, right? so what we've seen in the last four years because there's been so much media attention around it and a lot, a lot, a lot of spotlight on the people who committed harm and the people who make accusations, it feels like there's a bigger reckoning
than it is. we have a case of r. kelly who he was just found guilty in his verdict. that took 20-something years to get to. there are other black survivors who are out here with high-profile people who they're accusing who have not gotten any attention and the battle still continues. >> tarana, we always thank you for helping us get smarter about this and helping me get smarter about it. tarana burke is the founder of the me too movement and the auth author of "unbound," the founding of the me too movement. >> don't go anywhere, we're just getting started this saturday morning. we dive into the infrastructure fight and biden's big agenda with jamaal bowman and investigating the january 6th insurrection now threatening to issue criminal referrals jamie
raskin to how it will work. another hour of "velshi" begins right now. good morning. it's 9:00 a.m. i'm ali velshi, while it may not seem like it, i'll make the case that democrats have made major progress with moving president biden's agenda forward. it's true we did not get a house vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill as was promised this week, but we are seeing a break in the inter-party stalemate going on between moderates and progressives when it comes to the second piece of the biden agenda, the bill that republicans will not sign on to. on the so-called moderate side of the party we finally had a top line number that west virginia senator joe manchin said he'd be comfortable with, 1.5 trillion and the other democratic hold out, krysten
sinema has come down from her initial blanket opposition to the social spending deal. on the progressive side, congresswoman jayapal said the build back better plan may have to be scaled down a bit, but president biden is in support of passing the two bills in tandem. >> he was very clear the two are tied together and we will have to get -- and he said, i support it entirely. if i thought i could do it rate right now i would, but we need to get this reconciliation bill and it will be tough and we'll have to come down in our number and we will have to do that work so we'll do our work and see what we can get to. >> biden took the pressure and urgency getting these bills passed quickly by emphasizing that a specific time line doesn't matter. >> i'm telling you we're going to get this done. >> it doesn't matter when. it doesn't matter if it's in six