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but for now i hand it over to ayman. hello. thank you so much for that greatly appreciated excellent show as always. good evening, everyone. welcome to ayman. no vote on the infrastructure bill at least not yet. it is a big win for progressives, but the real prize actually is reaching a deal on reconciliation. can they actually reach one? congresswoman debby dingell is here. and activists march in cities all across america today in support of abortion rights. will roe vs. wade still be standing at the end of this term? plus, senator marco rubio do as i say not as i do. he's actually introducing a bill called mind your own business act, believe it or not. so why doesn't he take his own advice for a change? i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. all right, so it's been a
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fast moving week and a dynamic one on capitol hill. and after days of tough negotiations there are still no compromise between progressives and right-wing democrats on the president's build back better spending plan. and a promised vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill that house speaker nancy pelosi said would happen this week did not. now it may seem counter intuitive, but that's actually viewed as a win for the house progressive caucus. they're refusing to pass the house infrastructure bill which has already made it through the senate until an agreement is reached on the spending social plan. pelosi's decision to delay the vote is you can imagine is causing an outrage from the more conservative democrats. kyrsten sinema tweet out today in part the move denies millions of americans good paying jobs and hurts every day families. but you know what else hurts every day american families,
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senator, not passing a essential spending bill to help with drug prices, child care or even the environment. now, to be fair it wasn't just the senator. pelosi's vote also ticked off senator gottheimer. he slammed pelosi writing in quote, it's deeply regrettable speaker pelosi breached her firm public commitment to members of congress and the american people to hold a vote and pass the once in a century bipartisan infrastructure bill on or before september 27th. gottheimer went onto say that the progressives could potentially destroy the president's agenda. now, the only problem, though for sinema and gottheimer is this -- the president actually sided with the progressives on this. and you'd think he'd actually check that before he put the president on blast like the way he did. during a visit to the hill yesterday biden supported a decision to hold off a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill until both bills are actually ready to go. so the crucial question remains. can democrats deliver? there's still a massive gap
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between what the progressives and the moderates are willing to spend on the build back better plan. senator sinema along with west virginia joe manchin have been some of the biggest players in these negotiations. now, remember this. this is the so-called human infrastructure plan that democrats want to pass themselves through what is known as the budget reconciliation process. that plan would expand medicare, fund child care programs, paid family leave. it would begin to tackle the climate crisis among many, many other things. let's be clear about this. biden wants that $3.5 trillion plan, and that's over ten years to pay for it. now, that number might sound like a lot to you, but we're only talking about $350 billion per year. manchin has been reportedly circulating a memo he signed
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this summer with senate majority leader chuck schumer saying the highest number he would support is $1.5 trillion. so the question then becomes what are you actually willing to cut, senator manchin? tell us. the expanded child tax credits that have been proven to help kids get out of poverty, or maybe you want to cut the investment in climate change. and before slashing that line item you might want to remember this the noaa found extreme weather has cost u.s. taxpayers in this country just $100 billion last year alone. in a letter outlining his position this week senator manchin wrote, quote, overall the amount we spend now must be balanced with what we need and can afford, not designed to re-engineer the social economic fabric of this nation or vengefully tax for the sake of wishful spending. let's make a couple of points here crystal clear. one, we're talking $350 billion a year. that's significantly less than the $750 billion that go into the military budget.
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manchin has repeatedly voted in favor of that military spending. two, it's not wishful spending. these are the platforms that president biden and the democrats were elected on. and three, manchin himself said that the 2017 tax cuts passed by republicans are unfair and weighted toward the high end. let's fix that. how is fixing that, senator, actually vengeful? now, the way things are looking right now doesn't seem to me that the total price for this spending plan is going to be anywhere near that $3.5 trillion. it'll probably end up somewhere between 1.5 and perhaps as high as $3.5 trillion. but to borrow a quote from senator manchin's letter democrats must work together to avoid these fatal mistakes so that we may fulfill were greatest responsibilities as elected leaders and pass on america to the next generation. i koildn't agree more with that statement.
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but the fatal mistake here would be to do nothing, which brings us back to the question i asked at the very beginning. can democrats actually deliver for the american people? joining me now to discuss all of this congresswoman debbie dingell, a democrat from michigan, and she's the perfect person to talk about all of this because she's the deputy whip of the progressive congressional caucus and she's been instrumental in herding the cats as they say during this week. was it very busy to get the progressives onboard? did you have any divisions in your own caucus as to whether or not you were prepared to defy the vote, if you will, and sink that bipartisan infrastructure bill had that vote happened on thursday as was originally planned? >> ayman, it's really good to be with you on a saturday night. but i also want to make a point to you that not only am i a member of the progressive caucus but i'm a member of the problem solvers.
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i'm someone that's always worked across the aisle. oilt it was a busy week. one of the reasons it was a busy week we finally this week began actually legislating. people were talking to each other. there was an exchange of ideas. i think if i have one thing that i wish had been stronger earlier was i don't think it was clear until friday exactly what the white house wanted and where they stood. i think that as we end this week everybody's looking at who won, who lost. we've got to make sure that the american people win. and i -- the caucus is united that failure is not an option. go ahead. >> no, no, i apologize. go ahead. >> well, what i was going to say is the president laid it out -- laid out the fact he's not going to get 3.5. that he doesn't have the votes from the senate to get that, but we've now got to work together. so that's what we've got to do now.
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we're going have to bring everybody together to figure out what we can agree to. and he's not doing it by ballot figures. which everybody in the media wants him to do. tell me what they want me to do. what they want. we are going to focus and get ourselves there, and if he with have to do that. we have to deliver, period. >> so you brought up the president. it's important to talk about this for a moment. it's been reported that joe biden discussed in the private caucus meeting yesterday the idea of spending as much as $2.3 trillion. that is far below the $3.5 trillion that have been asked from the progressives. can you shed some light onto what the progressive caucus would actually support even if it is a watered down reconciliation bill, isn't it something better than nothing at this point? should that be the mentality, or should they hold out for everything that they wanted given the fact the original items they were asking for totaled close to $6 trillion
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over ten years? >> so here's the reality whether you like it or not. the president was very clear, and the reality is we're not going to get 3.5. the votes aren't there. but we're also not going to negotiate in the media. we're not going to play this all out, nobody is on either side. and the president was very clear. don't talk to me about numbers. tell me what the programs are. tell me what the people need in your district, your state that we've got to get there. and a lot of people aren't -- we've got to talk about all this and how we're going to do it. are we going to do it for five years or for a ten-year program. those are discussions that are going to have to take place between members, and not only members of the progressive caucus but the whole caucus. because we all have to vote on this. we have to have the votes to deliver this. we can't let the bipartisan bill not pass. that's got too many things in it everyone agrees we need. we have to get the lead out of water pipes in this country.
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by the way there's not enough money in the bill to get that in the bipartisan bill. so we got to have those discussions. but failure is not an option. if any of us this whole caucus not deliver this once in a lifetime bill pass, not fix our roads and bridges which are already comparable to any third-world country in the world, we've got to make it work. so probably a good thing this weekend people are taking a deep breath, recharging, and we've got to go right back at this and get it done. >> can i ask you finally and quickly -- don't the american public have a right to know what their senators and the positions they take are? >> absolutely. >> we don't know much about what senator sinema is opposing in the $3.5 trillion. i'm not saying she needs to negotiate in public, but do you
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as a member of these negotiations, do you trust if the bipartisan infrastructure bill goes forward senators manchin's and senator sinema's words on what they support will actually stand? i feel like progressives don't trust their way, and that is why they want to see the move before they vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. where are you on that? >> i'm going to take two different things you said. i think one of the biggest problems is i'm not part of the negotiations. the group of people the negotiations are being done with is very small. and most of the caucus which is a great deal didn't know what was being done. and that's what we needed to understand. what is being negotiated? where are the priorities? and yes, people have to -- we need to understand what peoples priorities are. so we've got to get it figured out, but we will. that is the one thing i do believe. we will get it figured out. >> all right, congresswoman,
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thank you for joining us this saturday evening. i greatly appreciate your time. and as i mentioned a moment ago one of the most important figures during this process is west virginia senator joe manchin. the conservative democrat has found himself at odds with many in his own party during these negotiations. and for insight into manchin's thinking as the infrastructure and spending plans continue to dominate washington, i'm now joined by jonathan cott, a democrat strategist who worked for years as an adviser to manchin himself, probably knows his thinking process. let me start by getting your assessment of how you see this process playing out. you worked on capitol hill, as i mentioned you know the senator very well, you know the dynamics that are at play here. will the democrats be able to put the progressives versus the moderates or so-called moderates in-fighting aside and reach an agreement? >> absolutely. i think this is what happens normally, we push and rush to get this done by a specific date we didn't need to. there is no date certain we have
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to pass this by. the infrastructure bill which was $1.5 trillion as the congressman said is essential. that took months of work to get done. the reconciliation bill only got passed in early august. they've been drafting and redrafting and working through this. there is no rush to get this done. i absolutely think senator manchin, senator sinema are going to work and find a compromise with the president, chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and get this done because they think it's the best thing for the country. but just because the progressives wanted $6 trillion or $10 trillion or $3.5 trillion doesn't mean it's what's going to get done. they have to find the programs most important to fund, find out the people that need them the most and figure out how to pay for them. so i think that's something that takes a few months. senator manchin is someone always willing to negotiate and he's going to stay at the table until this gets done. >> speaking of negotiations
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let's talk about this memo between senators manchin and schumer. people have been hammering him for weeks where he stands on this top line number on this bill. why do you think we're only just hearing about this agreement now? wouldn't it have made sense, and wouldn't it have been so much easier had he been from the very beginning saying, look, i could go with $1.5 trillion, let's try to cram as much of that in as opposed to having everyone wonder what his position and then publicly releasing it a couple days ago. >> i think the people that needed to know what his position was knew what his position was. he may not be discussing his position with the progressive caucus, and he may not be, you know, advertising it on tv, but i'm sure in these meetings he was straightforward and honest about what his position was. he always has been. that's how he gets things done. there's a reason republicans and democrats trust him more than almost any senator to negotiate
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pay. but he's willing to be up front and honest. i just don't think he put it out publicly because he wanted to get something done and thought this was the best way to do it. >> some are going to disagree whether or not he's been negotiating in good faith. this is from january. this is senator manchin speaking in west virginia. >> the most important thing, do a big infrastructure. spend 3, 4, $10 trillion over a three year period on infrastructure. so he's willing to spend $4 trillion. now he's saying it's only 1.5. why's he moving the goal posts here? what he's saying in public that he's willing to spend that much money on infrastructure and then turn around and say it's fiscal insanity now saying he wants 1.5 trillion. why the move in goal posts? >> i think he was saying he thought we could spend a lot of money on infrastructure. i think there's a different definition on what human
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infrastructure and fiscal infrastructure is. he's always been someone that supported spending on infrastructure because he knows how far behind we are in the rest of the world on that. i think his view is if you can show me how to pay for it, i'm willing to spend more money, but he doesn't want to tax this into a point where we're not globally competitive. he voted against the trump tax cut which probably was politically harmful to him when he was up for re-election, but he thought it was a bad bill that hurt the economy. he always said he was like i can't do this to my grandchildren. i can't leave this debt and deficit. what he doesn't want to do is overcorrect for that. i think he wants to get rid of, you know, the harmful effects of the trump tax cut and then look at how much we have and find out the people who need it most and spend it there.
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look, he passed a $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill that he got 19 republicans to support. that's a big deal. >> yeah, i guess it brings back the question whether it's about the money and how that money is being spent. and that's the issue. because if it comes down to disagreeing how the money is being spent, there are those saying these are popular positions among the democratic party. people do want child care, people want climate change, and want to see expanded health care coverage in some capacity. and he's being the outlier here on these issues despite the fact he has the support or these policies have the support from the vast majority of democrats, i would argue. jonathan, i'm sorry. we've run out of time. greatly appreciate you joining us this evening. i look forward to having this conversation going forward. coming up -- marches in cities across america on abortion rights as the supreme court is set to take up a challenge to roe v. wade. if the court refuses to takes up the law is there any hope the law will survive? plus greta thunberg drops the mike. she's calling out world leaders one again. she is not holding back. you don't want to miss this.
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all right, so from los angeles to washington, d.c., thousands took the streets today for the first womans march of the biden administration. the main focus of this year's rally, abortion rights. >> we are all entitled to our own beliefs.
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it's when these beliefs are pushed onto others and you take peoples choices away that it becomes a problem. >> we have to get back on the streets and we have to march and organize and fight. and if these legislators are going to pass these draconian laws, we need to change the lawmakers. >> so that d.c. march had a very fitting end point. the steps of the supreme court. monday marks the first day of the court's new term on the docket a mississippi case that has the possibility to transform abortion access here in the u.s. now, that threat along with the court's refusal to block texas' so-called heartbeat bill has many abortion rights activists sounding alarm bells warning that reversal of roe v. wade could be on the horizon. this comes at a time when the nation's highest court is on the defense. this week justice aleto was the latest to speak out. he defended the courts use on what is known as the shadow docket which allowed the texas law to go into effect. aleto called that term catchy and sinister and says it's been,
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quote, used to portray the court as having been captured by a dangerous cabal that resorts to sneaky and improper methods to get its ways. those were his words, by the way, just to be clear about that. joining me now to discuss this is kimberley atkins, co-host of the sisters in law podcast, also an msnbc political analyst, also a self-described scotus nerd. let's talk about this case. it centers on the 15-week abortion ban. that case slated in december. i want to play what mississippi's attorney general said when she was asked about it in an interview with catholic tv network last week. take a listen. >> think about this. the lives that will be touched, the babies that will be saved, the mothers who get a chance to really redirect their lives and they have all these new and different opportunities that
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they didn't have 50 years ago. just think about the uplifting, the changing of direction for, again, these new babies -- >> does that give any insight into the argument here, frankly how much does her line of reasoning even matter with a conservative majority court that seems to some to be looking for any possibility or way to overturn roe? >> yeah, ayman, what we just heard was political messaging trying to spin this complete elimination of choice as somehow granting choice. what is at stake legally before the u.s. supreme court is a frontal assault on roe vs. wade, the nearly five-decade-old ruling that established hat the constitution's privacy protections means that women have control over their own bodies and it is up to them to make decisions about what they do with them.
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it is a fundamental privacy right that's based on. and that is what is being really confronted in this case. it's interesting in the beginning this case -- officials from mississippi argued that it did not violate roe. but now they're asking -- they later asked for it to be overturned. really clear about what the intention is here, and it's also the fact that the supreme court with its new conservative tilt as you noted will probably even if they were inclined to try to thread a needle and say that somehow this doesn't violate roe in order to keep turning it, you have this texas law right behind it coming up the pipe which eliminates abortions after six weeks. it's impossible to square that. so the court will have to confront it this term one way or another. >> you brought up the texas law and that's what i wanted to drill down on for a moment because you had a hearing yesterday on that challenge to the texas law.
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the judge yesterday didn't offer a ruling, but during the arguments he had this interesting moment where he called out what appeared to be an obvious question. and it's something people have been talking about for weeks. if texas was so confident in the constitutionality of that law why did they avoid enforcing it directly? because the thing about that law is it relies on citizens to actually enforce it. what's your take on that line of questioning? how do you think the doj's challenge yesterday will pan out? >> yeah, so the key part of that, that enforcement mechanism that takes it out of the state actors hands, what that did was ensure that the law go into effect because there would be no clear judicial way to stop it. that's exactly what happened at the supreme court in the shadow docket. and despite what justice aleto said, all due respect to him, this was a ruling that was issued late at night without full briefing or argument.
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it really is in my opinion something quite sinister when the rights of women can be taken away in that manner without the full merits process that the supreme court is supposed to afford. so that's why it went into effect. so the doj in this case is arguing that irrespective of that, that there is a right of the federal government to come in and say this is an unconstitutional law, it needs to be stopped. texas argued that the doj really has no standing, that doj can't prove they've been harmed. that's the procedural trick that texas lawmakers setup, so we will see this is the first real test of that. >> yeah, absolutely alarming. thank you so much. we're going to be talking to you and relying on you in the weeks and months ahead. and senator marco rubio says he wants woke elites to wake up. and introducing a bill called mind your own business act. we're going to try to explain that at least. stick around.
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have you ever asked yourself what happened to marco rubio? well, that's the question being asked in washington after the florida senator introduced legislation last week titled and i kid you not, the mind your own business act. in a statement rubio said the bill would, quote, enable shareholders to hold woke corporations accountable. on this program we don't really like to waste your tame on proposed legislation that doesn't have a chance of ever becoming a law, but this story kind of gives us a little bit of insight into the pressing priorities of rubio perhaps even the modern gop. now, the man who time magazine called -- this is real time magazine cover. back in 2013 it called marco
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rubio the republican savior. he's now facing stiff competition in his bid refor re-election. he's preoccupied now with getting meaningful legislation passed, but with trying to become the anti-woke crusader of the right. rubio wants companies to shut up and sell stuff, which illustrates the huge hypocrisy of republicans who say corporations are actually free to support the rights favored causes but must keep quiet about anything else the rest of society or the country cares about. when companies donate to political campaigns they do so because they believe it's in their political interests. like wise, if they make a calculation that they need to support black lives matter, why should they be required to get preapproval from shareholders? my next guest has written about rubio's obsession with wokeness in her "new york times" opinion column. she joins me now, michelle, it's
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great to have you with us. as i mentioned i don't really like to spend a lot of time on legislation that doesn't actually have a chance of getting passed, but you talked about it, i'm talking about it because it gives us insight into the republican thinking here. you've previously written about the woke obsession. what's your take on this legislation? >> i think it shows that rubio like the rest of the republican party is moving away from their obsession with laissez-faire corporation. but they are willing to basically try to restrain corporate rights to free expression, frankly. what i think is really telling about this is that it is a naked attempt to say that corporations should not be able to express themselves on political issues if they disagree with us, right? because the language in this bill is very specific.
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it's not about just kind of corporate political expression broadly. it talks about wokeness. it talks about critical race theory. and so he wants to restrict corporations from both expressing themselves and from acting in certain ways. you know, maybe refusing to do business in a certain state because it passes a draconian abortion law. perhaps a chain of stores refusing to sell firearms. and he's created this sort of weird shareholder mechanism if someone recalls the enforcement of the texas abortion law. you can't have government ban corporate wokeness. so he's created a vigilante system for the lawsuits. >> one of aspects of the bill would also encourage shareholders of large companies to sue company directors who are engaging in wokeness. but it also goes after companies who advocate for example or support boycott divestment or sanction activity targeting israel.
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and laura freedman tweeted this out about this rubio legislation. while everyone was focused on iron dome rubio introduced a bill that aims to kick companies that opposed the occupation and in any way distinguished between israel and settlements out of the stock market and allow stock holders to sue them. it seems to me it might be related to ben and jerry's announcement back in july they'll end sales in the occupied palestinian territories. it seems to me this is un-american. companies have played important role in the past in boycotts all around the world. what's your take on this? >> well, look, a number of states have laws -- laws that seem to me, you know, as a lay person i don't understand the constitutional validity of them. but a number of states have laws restricting bbs, the boycott divestment sanction. so there's often been an
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exception to concerns about free speech when it comes to israel and palestine. but i do think it's important to understand this thing rubio has proposed goes much further. it's not just going after companies that boycott israel or boycott the occupied territories. it's going after companies that engaged in really any sort of progressive political behavior or, you know, kind of give in to demands from protesters or even internal demands from their own work force. >> yeah and interestingly enough back in 2010 i believe rubio supported the citizens united decision which actually at the time ruled that corporations are people, and he said this at the time. we managed to find this quote. the best way to ensure our political system is less reliant
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on money is not to pass laws which infringe on fundamental rights but the opposite. doesn't that fly in the face of this legislation, which is essentially saying, no, corporations don't get to have free speech. they have to do what shareholders want them or they can be held liable? >> of course. it's hypocritical and again i think it shows the extent to which the republican party is willing to use its power as a cudgel to punish people who deviate from their ideology. it's the sort of thing you see in lots of authoritarian countries. the government sort of openly interfering in business that somehow oppose the regime. >> how much is this because he's facing re-election, the humiliation he suffered at the hands of donald trump, the anti-woke mob of the base of the republican party, and that he's going to face a difficult re-election in florida. >> i don't know how difficult rubio re-election is.
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florida has been breaking progressives hearts for many decades now. i do think rubio has correctly intuited that the base of the republican party cares more about wokeness than about laissez-faire capitalism. >> thank you, great to see you. nba star bradley beal asked this week why get vaccinated if people can still get covid? guess what? we have an answer for you and others wondering the same thing. valid question, we have the answer. plus nba stars who refused to get vaccinated gained an ally this week that they might not rather have, yes, senator ted cruz. we're going to talk about that with my saturday night panel. stick around. you're watching "ayman" on msnbc. (vo) singing, or speaking. reason,
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in the youth for climate event in italy and addressed politicians with repetition. >> build back better blah blah blah, green economy blah blah blah. this is all we hear from our so-called leaders. words -- words that sound great but so far has led to no action. our hopes and dreams drown in their empty words and promises. of course we need constructive dialogue, but they've now had 30 years of blah blah blah, and where has that led us? over 50% of all our co2 emissions have occurred since 1990 and a third since 2005. all this while the media is reporting on what the leaders say they're going to do instead of what they're actually doing. and they're not holding leaders accountable for their action or rather inaction.
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98% of those eligible to get their shot have now done so. so what's behind their success? the man behind the vaccination campaign says one thing. keep the politics out of it. the u.s. is falling behind the rest of the world. countries including spain, the united arab emirates, qatar, singapore, chile, all of them above 80% vaccination rates. here in the u.s. we're at 56%. vaccine mandates proving a popular choice for many american businesses to try to get those numbers up. just this week tyson foods announcing 91% of their work force is vaccinated after they implemented a mandate. united airlines says their number of unvaccinated staff has come down to 320. and there have been big successes in places like new york after a mandate was introduced for health care workers. is it the best way to get shots in arms across the board? joining me now one of the doctors on the front lines of
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fighting the virus. dr. vin gupta, critical care pulmonologist and msnbc contributor. let's talk about how the u.s. is doing because we started out strong. we have the resources. we have the capability to roll this out, but the numbers, they're just simply not good enough. we're seeing a growing number of vaccine mandates introduced from corporations. it's inching up a little bit but maybe not fast enough. what do you make of these corporate mandates and whether or not they're effective? >> ayman, good morning. great to see you. i'm glad you referenced tyson foods because for all your viewers out there, it's instructive. what united airlines and other companies did, you know, very helpful. but tyson foods primarily a blue collar front line work force. what did they do? not only did they implement the man dit but they had empathetic messaging.
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they had loved ones guy from virus, and just living it and hanging our han on the mandates, they have moving up with paid time off. and a confidence approach. and the next 8 to 12 weeks, we will see the number climb for a variety of reasons in the united states. children 5 and up will have access to the pfizer, and then moderna, and so on, and a temporary standard. that is guidance, the work forces that is greater than a hundred employees, what they have to do when it comes to mandating the vaccine for the unvaccinated or testing. we have to ask the employers to do the weekly testing but if rapid testing is accepted,
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that's going to change the game here. what about three shots? are we going to have to approve three shot proof for some people or is two shots going to be standard. osha has some critical questions to answer, so we can understand what employers are going to do. >> i want to play for you this clip, dr. gupta. i'm sure you have seen it. it's nba player bradley beal. take a listen to it. >> i would like an explanation to people with vaccines, why are they still getting covid, if that's something that we are supposed to have been protected from. it's funny it only reduces your chances of going to the hospital. it doesn't eliminate anybody from getting covid. >> can you answer bradley's question for him? >> yeah, absolutely.
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and i think bradley's touching on something i've heard directly from my patients. why does something keep me out of the hospital? why does the vaccine prevent me from entering the hospital but not preventing a positive test. that's what he's getting at. to bradley and to every patient i can't talk to directly, what i would say is no vaccine for a respiratory virus, whether it's flu or covid, whatever down the road, is going to prevent you from testing positive. that was a misplaced expectation that cdc and other officials gave to the american public. i don't think it was done intentionally. that was the expectation they gave in may when they said when you're fully vaccinated, you can take off your mask. no vaccine is ever intending to prevent somebody from testing positive, especially against a respiratory virus. the only purpose, bradley, and everybody out there is to keep you out of the hospital. he's exactly right. that's exactly why you should get vaccinated.
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not to prevent a positive test. let me say quickly. data released in the last 48 hours showing if you are fully vaccinated and if you are that rare 1 in 5,000 testing positive, your risk of transmitting the virus to somebody else is exceptionally rare. that's data we now have that we didn't have a week ago. >> thank you. bringing us the facts. bradley beal, i hope you heard that. thank you. next some good news. after 100 years, the bruce family in southern california have a big reason to celebrate this weekend. bruce's beach back where it belongs. we'll tell you more about that after this. as someone who resembles someone else... i appreciate that liberty mutual knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. oh, yeah. that's the spot. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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a piece of prime california beachfront has been returned to its rightful owners after being lost for nearly a century. california lawmakers passed a law to return the bruce property. the one thriving resort offered a safe haven from segregation. >> nearly a century in the make. california governor gavin newsom returning property taken from a black couple and their family. warm temperatures and clear waters are a hallmark of southern california.
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beyond the sunny skies lies a stormy past. the land was first purchase by willa and charles bruce. a black couple in 1912, a time when segregation largely restricted beach access for blacks. >> charles will willa bruce, a married couple, had an american dream like many of us have the american dream, owning a piece of property, establishing a business. >> the bruces built a lodge, a cafe and even a dance hall, open to all. the resort became an oasis for black families to swim and socialize without being harassed until the safe haven became a target. >> despite all the racial talks, the kkk, the harassment of other guests, they survived and flourished. for 12 years. it's that point that the city of manhattan beach took it upon themselves to say enough is enough.
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>> in 1924, manhattan beach sized the land, and plans to build a park. the bruces tried to fight the city to no avoil. they received $14,500 for the beach front property. the land remained vacant for three decades. now, almost 100 years later a reckoning. >> this property was stolen from the bruces. we're returning what was stolen, what is rightfully theirs. >> the state, returning the prime real estate to the couple's descendants, who the family says are now scattered throughout the country. some living at or below the poverty line. despite once owning land now valued in the millions. >> most of the wealth equity in this country and for most families is through land or property ownership. people who were not white have not had this mechanism to grow
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wealth. >> a new chapter for the family can begin. as the sun sets on brees's beach. >> our thanks to nbc for that reporting and justice being severaled. it is the top of the hour. good evening, everyone, and thanks for staying with us. still, so much to get to. in a rare, and becoming far less rare saturday session today, senate passed a veteran bill. i'm going to discuss this with my saturday night panel. plus you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, so why are some nba players saying no thank you to the vaccine? and it was a big week for millennials. britney is somewhat free and r. kelly is going to prison. we're going to take a look at both cases and what they mean through a 2021 lens. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started.


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