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our team. it was our first win for them as well and that makes it so much more special. you get a lot of boos, and i'm just out here trying to be who i am. and you know people say they're making noise, whether or not it is cheering or booing their making noise, but it's difference when you get booed for the reasons i get booed, but that is part of it, all of the fans there, appreciate you guys, love you guys, it means a lot. >> congrats, bubba. that will do it for me this hour, andrea mitchell reports starts this hour. >> it is good to be with you, this is mitchell reports" and i'm jeff bennet. a bad week continues for facebook. facing glitches that kept users
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off of instagram and facebook now facing more public scrutiny after more comments from a whistleblower at a senate hearing. >> the choices being made in facebook are disastrous for our children, our public safety, our privacy, and our democracy. almost no one outside of facebook knows what happens inside of facebook. the company intentionally hides vital information from the government, public, and governments around the world. there is also an important new development for recipients of the johnson and johnson covid vaccine. they requesting a booster shot that increases antibodies up to 12 times. president biden is traveling to michigan this hour to tout his build back better plan. they could support a lower price tag for that massive spending bill. but there is still no movement
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have senate republicans on lifting the debt ceiling. we'll have more on that facebook hearing in just a minute. let's check in with the anchor of this program, andrea mitch who will is in fran covering the secretary of state's return to paris. how has his return there been received so far? >> well, the secretary did meet with president macron. that's the key to the trip. it is a critical step toward mending diplomatic fences after fallout from the u.s.-australian submarine deal. we'll have more from paris later in the show, but for you back to you, jeff. thank you, andreandrea. now to facebook and the beeting it is taking today. a massive outage is calling for the giant to be broken up. former facebook manager francis hougan says they amplify
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division for profit. she has shown company documents saying they know instagram is harmful. mark zuckerberg is ultimately responsible for all of it. >> mark holds a very unique role in the tech industry. he holding over 55% of all of the voting shares for facebook. there are no similarly powerful company that's are as unilaterally controlled. and in the end, the buck stops with mark. there is no one currently holding mark accountable but himself. >> joining us now is leann caldwell, sean henry, who is a former fbi assistant director, and elise jordan with us, a former advisor to the george w. bush white house.
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as far as congressional testimony goes, francis haugan. she is providing new insights into that company and how it works. so give us the top lines from today's hearing. >> yeah, jeff, what francis is doing is telling the country what is happening at facebook that no one has known before. what she is saying is that facebook knows exactly what they're doing. they have studies that show that their cob tent can be destructive and divisive, and it e voces a ton of emotion and anger and they ignore that and they continue to push people to respond to it. there is multilayered testimony where she says they are hiding what they know and acting in the exact opposite way as this information that say recommend, and she says that they don't
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have any insight because they put walls around their information so they can't gain insight to this afghanistan. she also compared it interestingly to the tobacco fight of the 1990s where dock came in and finally regulated big tobacco. she is asking congress to do the same here. she also said some really troubling accounts of especially instagram and the messaging toward young girls. that they gear them, and facebook as well, towards information that could lead them to anorexia if they're having body image issues. there is a lot of troubling components of the testimony today. there is a lot of outrage about what they will do about it. and there is outrage for several years, bipartisan outage against
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social media companies but nothing has been done. facebook spends tens of millions of dollars on lobbiests and no regulation has been put into place. >> i spoke to mike lee who put up a couple ads that were targeted to children. and francis haugan said the way it works in facebook, the way they rely on artificial intelligence to heavily, she said it is more than likely no human at facebook saw those adds before they were surfaced on a phone and a kid was looking at it. that it was all done through artificial intelligence. facebook is rejecting things she is saying and talking about what they have added to their apps. what are they doing to fight
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misinformation? >> i think the misinformation piece is very, very important. we heard about the a gor -- a gor rhythms. it is in many cases about influencing people. but there is also a very significant national security issue here. we know that they have utilized plat forms for years to push information to undermine the united states around the story. to influence people, to push out leaks of information, and this is a very, very significant concern. i think that organizations need to demonstrate a level of responsibility and as consumers we need to understand this is happening. as we look forward we have heard
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echos of that on the hill. on this issue of what more congress can do, senator klobuchar said that she thinks that francis haugen's testimony will be a catalyst for change and reasons why congress has not updated any privacy laws because of lobbyists around big tech. why are they not taking big action to rain in facebook? >> it is going to be very difficult for congress to figure out a way to get a trillion dollar problem under control and it is a problem that frankly you have watches sho many senators in the year when they question
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facebook executives. and luckily today they seem more well prepared and more upto date on what is happening with fn but it has been a real problem with congress understanding the scope of the problem. and how they can use regulation and trying to combat it. inif i nate resources that facebook has. and in the political e quo system how many politicians rely on the platform for their own fundraising and messaging and campaigning. it is just a huge problem that congress has been willing to complain about but not do anything about. >> in the couple .sthat remain, i want to talk about the outage yesterday. was that just a server problem, or does the company need to be
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broken up as some are have argued? >> you know, i think facebook put out a statement that said there was some configuration changes and that causes the interruption in service. i think it is an interesting coincidence it happened the day after the whistle-blower was interviewed on 06 minutes. someone thinks it could have been sabotage or an activist state. you have to really go with facebook's explanation if is a significantly large company, we see technical glitches regularly. you talk about them being broke up and i don't know it is because of the side of their enterprise, but the questions regarding some of the platforms,
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we'll see how that goes. >> my thanks to the three of you. that hearing is resuming after a short break and we'll bring you any updates. coming up, shot in the arm, a shot given patients against covid. andrea is live in paris with more details next on "andrea mitchell reports." mitchell reports." out of conveni or necessity. we can explore uncharted waters, and not only make new discoveries, but get there faster, with better outcomes. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change-- meeting them where they are, and getting them where they want to be. faster. vmware. welcome change.
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secretary of state tony blinken met with prime minister macron. following the deal, a stab in
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the back according to the foreign minister during a meeting with the friend foreign minister. they are responding that they will have a chance to talk later. joining us now, richard haas. his latest article is "the age of america first" and peter baker cheer correspondent for the "new york times." meeting with macron for maybe 30 or 40 minutes today. no photo opportunity, no official photographers, so the french are trying to down play the significance of the meeting which is probably the at least they could have done to try to repair the relationship going forward? >> yeah, that's right. the issue for the french is
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domestic and foreign. the french outrage, as legitimate as it may or may not have been. the domestic costs of looking weak would be tie high. so advertising is not too high, but it is for his foreign policy interesting. there is an intense interest in secretary blinken to repair behind the scenes, we're going to say look, we're still going to work together. i think you're seeing the french, if you will, try to get something out of this. they are advertising or con seizing in front of the cameras. >> richard, they say this brutal
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unilateral. that is the biden administrations when it comes to foreign policy, that might surprise some people they are trying to reverse the decisions on iron. where do you see the similarities. >> they started out that way and in some ways eroded the similarities in terms of a tough line toward china. nose two things together, domestic first. they call it foreign policy for the middle class, but it boils down to the same thing. an appetite for this.
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so i think there is a country with an appetite here. we're pulling back from the world. and you have climate change and global health challenges, you have signer space, and we need american leadership more than ever. and that's just not where the administration is. it is not where the country is. >> one thing that was remarkableably different is in his remarks today, to the oecd of economic development here to all of the ministers, they talked about the impact, the disproportionate impact on black and brown people in the united states from the pandemic and now
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going forward on climate, and how they are in the gulf states and louisiana. and in large parts of the country and in the south. the hurricanes and the tornadoes. we see how people who cannot afford good housing are affected by it. >> that is exactly right. it is not enough to just reenter paris, paris was just meant to be a starting point. there is so much to do to reverse the effects or mitigate the effects of climate change and you're right. there is a real focus on your administration in certain parts of society in terms of as you point out black and brown
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communities. the better resourced companies. so i think that is all a huge challenge for secretary blinken and president biden. that is part of the reason they need to mend fences. they can focus on these priorities and the disputes that can't be resolved otherwise. >> and there are no commitments going forward between the french and united states today. they will meet at the g 20 in a few weeks from now. president biden said america is back when we were in brussels at the nato meeting, he said that at the g 7. now he has a pretty good move to europe for the americans and to the larger word at the gimprovid it is hard with pending legislation. you have a country that is not functioning. and america will only be back in
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the eyes of the world. more bloodly i would say that britain has left through brexit, and you have germany now in the post merkel faze. the united states needs a forge of positive relationships with france. they have more willingness to use it more than any other country in the e.u. this is a time to settle things with france. they are still a quarter of the world economy. still deals in important ways with russia and china. this should be a priority. >> they have to resolve one debt ceiling by october 18th.
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they have strength and bragging rights going into the g 20. jeff, back to you. >> thank you, coming up next after the break, what is the deal? the president leaving town to sell his infrastructure plan with little to no progress made on capitol hill. lawmakers hashing out details on the debt limit and spending plans as time is running out. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. reports" only on msnbc coaching. new workouts. and screening for colon cancer. yep. the american cancer society recommends screening starting at age 45, instead of 50, since colon cancer is increasing in younger adults. i'm cologuard®. i'm convenient and find 92% of colon cancers... ...even in early stages. i'm for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you.
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there is still time for republicans to get out of the way and allow this bill to pass with a simple majority vote. if republicans want to vote no tomorrow, if they want to be the party of default, that is their choice. >> they convince senate republicans and they are currently falling on deaf ears. democrats might be getting that massive spending bill back on track. let's get to our spaniel. we have garrett haake. we also have susan paige, and former new york congressman and democratic congressional campaign chairman steven israel. on the senate side neither party is blining on the debt ceiling
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debate. the infrastructure bill and the social safety net spending bill through the house, at least as it relates to the top line number. >> the president has been remaining involved in these discussions and that has largely been helpful. he had a call with progressive members of the house and he talked about the top line spending number. everything seems to be moving in some direction. the general agreement is that no one is deciding yet if there is specific programs they want to cut. they are lowering the timing at leastholding and lowering the timing and how long it would last. that allows you to shrink the bottom line. and that setting up a cliff for future congresss. on the senate side we have been doing what we have been doing,
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trying to ring out as much information as we can about what would be acceptable to them as they move forward. manchin said quite a bit but communicates little about what he is willing to do other than he expressed an openness to continuing to talk. kirstin sinema said even less. i tried to talk to her a few times to see if she would confirm her prference not to change taxes. in every instance i was ignored. she is not interested in discussing any of this in public, but the negotiations in private do cannot. >> a for effort, garrett. congressman stevens, i'm going to draw on your experience, they say what might look chaotic and
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infighting and contentious is just the process of legislating. and we certainly is not seen the dynamic of faxal dynamic, do you think a compromise is attainable here? >> yeah, it has not passed a infrastructure bill or bills. and the benefit here is that with these various faxes in the democratic party they understand that and they want to get to yes, but this is different in one respect. it is the house, the senate, the progressives, the moderates. the white house versus the house. this is the multifactions on
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different battlefields. you have the factions that eliminate or reinstates deductions for state and local taxes. you have other factions that would like other things in the bill so when you put this all together, schumer, pelosi, and biden they're like skating on thin ice through americay fog trying to figure out how to assemble a rubik's cube. they will get there, but it will be difficult to watch. >> quite a description. i want to ask you about the debt ceiling. you heard president biden in the white house yesterday. they are talking about the fact that he had to work through thorny fiscal issues many times in the last decade. these are two stallworths.
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they have exchanged exsuppressions of friendship. but on the politics of it 100% of mcconnell's focus will be stopping president biden and the biden agenda. it appears the personal is no match for the applicants here and what they might be able to do working together to awry at a compromise on the debt limit. >> here is what is so frustrating for president biden. he has been unable to shame mitch mcconnell into taking even a modestly, a modest step of allowing this society that we expect tomorrow be approved so democrats alone could raise the debt ceiling. he is taking a very firm line against it just to give them trouble. president biden, congress, and senator schumer are accusing him
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of hypocrisy. that argument is having zero effect on mitch mcconnell. >> as our friends at first read said this morning it is that they're just trying to make mitch mcconnell lookchaotic. coming up, secret assets. powerful world leaders hiding their wealth to avoid sanctions with adversaries investing in assets and regulators not being able to track them. andrea mitch he looks like have more coming up on an degree ya mitchell reports on msnbc. n msn. ♪girl, i don't know, i don't know,♪ ♪i don't know why i can't get enough of your love babe♪ ♪oh no, babe girl, if i could only make you see♪
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pandora papers. revealing striking details on how the rich and powerful shield their wealth including several heads of state, world leaders, celebrities. we have not officially seen these do you wants. vladimir putin's inner circle arranged the purchase of a multimillion dollar apartment for a woman with whom he allegedly had an affair and the jordanian government says that many things being paid for by private money is not being made public for security and privacy regions. joining us now is our national security correspondent, one of the journalists surfing through the data.
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greg, again we note that nbc did not verify the millions of documents. you have a lot of interesting reporting on what they show about the effect of u.s. sanctions specifically on these russian oligarchs. >> yes, i think it is very rare, as i understand it, speaking with u.s. officials to get a real clear glimpse into the russian oligarchs. we have sanctioned more than 800 individuals. looking at the impact that was one of the things that i wanted to do and we found details records and cases where cases
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where they have not been able to pay bills and they are struggling to doing business the way they were accustomed to doing it and it showed the sanctions were hitting their market, hitting the targets, and having an impact. >> a lot of this money that we were talking about was used by foreigners to purchase assets in secret within the u.s. how do american regulators look at this? how are they responding? what is the national security concern about the hidden assets. we don't know who owns property, minerals, or real estate or other things here in the u.s.? >> it is multi-tiered. >> the intelligence community and the defense department. this is why there is a expassion
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of the law. especially with assets and invest wants. that is why there is greater cross-suitny around purchasing properties with shell companies, and why now in late 2020 there was the anti-money laundering act that wants a corporate registry. precisely because there is concerns for many years now, watching this, we have seen this story before. you have foreign interests and leaders, even, gaining access in the united states nap is a risk not just to financial integrity and taxes, but potentially also to national security. >> wheen is some of the players that we would be worried about?
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>> first and fore most, the reporting has been phenomenal. vladimir putin who has shell companies, proxies, other things to hide assets and influence. we know the ability to do this corrupts governments. and in other parts of the world we worry about the chinese gaining access to exquisite technologies in the united states in the shell companies or other angel investors. they find ways of hiding and moving their money. the system is designed to try to illuminate the movement of money and the placement of money and try to prevent illicittivity,
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illicit activity. >> they have talked about the banks, the banks in south dakota, for instance, there is tax havens in the u.s. and off shore. >> in alaska, and increasingly aggressive financial secrecy laws have been passed of the past decade or two. one of the ways they do it is by passing laws is when they set up trust there and hide money. we have a very details story that talks about money coming from overseas accounts including from human rights abuses and
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remain unvaccinated in this country, and millions of americans are still unable to easily get rapid covid tests. jone joining us now is megan fitzgerald and dr. david. megan, you're at a school district where they're doing everything they can to keep covid cases down among students and staff. give us a sense of what they're doing there. >> yes, jeff, that is absolutely right. there is an all out effort to stop the spread of the virus and keep kids in school. school districts are taking matters into their hands. des moines public schools putting in place two drive through testing sites at two schools. sioux city is following suit in coming days here and their prioritizing testing for
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students and staff. they're also opening this up to the public as well. as you mention there'd is some frustrations here in iowa saying they're not able to find the testing locations efficiently and they wait 10 to 12 days, even 14 days to try to get the test results back. so i want to have you listen to what the superintendent of democrat public schools said about this. >> if staff and students could have ready access to a test for which they don't need to pay and we know there is a quick turn around time, we know that will help keep more students and staff if school every day where we need them. >> now the superintendent just touched on that turn around time. they mentioned the tests that can get the results back in 48 hours. >> and this is a problem from here to des moines and dc. this is very difficult
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especially with young children. here we are two years into the pandemic and it is still a challenge. help us understand why it is so important especially when you have cases of a-symptomatic infection. >> testing is always the original sin of the pandemic. that we have not been able to test adequately or use them the way they should be used and i think there has been a lot of spread of infection and disruption to people's lives because we lack proper testing. this is very important when you're trying to have events. if you can test rapidly and know your status, you can make an event very, very safe. we have seen it work multiple times. there is no execution at this stage of the pandemic that we have to drive around looking for home tests or events need to get special events with lots of tests on hand nap is now hot we're going to move forward if
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has to be solved and we have all suffered for it. >> some people go to the convenience store and think they're buying a rapid test but it is one they have to send back. >> johnson and johnson applied to the fda for approval from it. based on what you know of the timeline, how soon can people expect to get those boosters and where does the process stand for the moderna shot? >> we know the fda advisory committee will meet next week to discuss the moderna and j&j booster application. you might see the following week, second to last week of october, booster shots recommended by the cdc. this is a process similar to the pfizer process, where you have the fda commissioner, cdc advisory committee and director weighing in on all of this to
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see exactly what will be recommended. i suspect you will see something very similar, high-risk people are going to be recommended to get booster vaccines and those in the lower risk groups maybe less so. >> as we talk about americans who are trying to get their third shot, people haven't gotten their first dose of the covid vaccine, where is the issue in the pipeline? why is it there are so many countries that just don't have the supplies, the resources to get people vaccinated? the u.s. says that they've donated more shots than any other industrialized country in the world. the u.s. has spent $500 million was the announcement in purchasing more covid vaccine from pfizer. why is it not getting to where it needs to go? >> you have to remember you can't just build health care infrastructure overnight. many of these countries have to have an ability to turn a vaccine into a vaccination. we have to find way to get it to people. some of these vaccines require cold change because they have to be kept at certain temperatures, certain -- there's been
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logistical problem with getting vaccine to the actual person that needs to be vaccinated. many countries got a later start and when they made these vaccines not only did they want to vaccinate their countrieses first but put export restrictions. many countries got late starts because they didn't have access to vaccine. this is something we have to think about. many of these countries refuse to allow domestically made vaccines to be exported even if there was a purchase, and i think that's something that we're coming to pay for as the pandemic rages out of control in many parts of the world. >> it's an interesting point of which i was not previously aware. as we wrap up here, i want to ask you for your assessment, where are we in the life of the pandemic? are we at the plateau of delta? dare i ask is there another variant on the horizon we should be concerned about? >> we do seem to be plateauing when it comes to delta in the united states. it has done a lot of damage,
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cases are falling, hospitalizations, falling, although it is horrific in some parts of the country and hospitals. there are always going to be more variants. as long as this virus is replicating and more people to infect, it's going to create new variants. most of these variants are not going to be a major issue because delta is such a strong version of the virus it's hard to completely supplant it. i think the variants are important to study and look at to see how our vaccines and antibodies fair against them, but i think delta maybe the worst that this virus has, hopefully that's what we find. >> certainly hope that is the case. doctor, and meghan, thanks to you both. more on "andrea mitchell reports" live in paris in just a moment here on msnbc. now, we all know progressive offers 24/7 protection, but we also bundle outdoor vehicles with home and auto to help people save more! [ laughs ] ♪♪
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we're back now with andrea mitchell in paris. "the new york times" is reporting that a secret cia cable was sent to personnel around the world warning of an unknown number of people recruited to spy for the u.s. being captured or killed. this is new reporting for the "new york times," new this hour. what more do you know about this? >> well, i did check and talk to a senior official who says that this is not alarming. it's part of what they would call routine maintenance to talk to people in the agency around the world to warn them of the risks, but acknowledging that
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obviously this happened not denying that this memo exists and this is the risk of doing business, obviously, that they have not only been -- they've lost people to execution, they've lost assets, foreign assets to counterintelligence, so that their recruitment has to be done very carefully and protect their assets. most recently, of course, they were successful in getting a number of their assets out of afghanistan. this is part of spy versus spy, but it is certainly the new leadership at the cia warning the troops in the field, the covert troops, of how important they have to be in protecting first of all recruiting and then protecting assets and they have apparently lost dozens over the last several years. it's not precise in their reporting on just how many years this goes back. >> yeah. troubling reporting there. >> this is bill burns, bill burns is such a, you know,
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career diplomat, taken over the agency and doing a lot of things and trying to rejuvenate the agency, which did have some difficulties under the trump years. >> absolutely. andrea mitchell, safe travels home to you and the team there in paris, making your way back to washington, d.c. that does it for this special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" follow the show online and on twits and follow me at geoff bennett. mpt daily starts right now. >> if it's tuesday, the fallout intensifies for facebook. the whistleblower, frances haugen, opens up to congress claiming the social media company chooses profits over people. what it means for facebook, big tech, congress and consumers ahead. plus president biden hits the road to sell his
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infrastructure agenda, as he warns of an economic catastrophe if the u.s. defaults on its debt. it's set to happen in less than two weeks unless congress acts. one of the most intriguing revelations in the pandora papers. why some of the big aboutest -- biggest billionaires are sheltering their money in south dakota. the cayman islands of the united states. ♪♪ >> welcome to "meet the press" daily. we're going to begin with the latest developments from capitol hill, and this has nothing to do with the debt ceiling and that ridiculousness. this is about facebook where frances haugen, the former facebook employee turned whistleblower is testifying.