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all right, that is going to do it for us tonight and this fine friday eve. it doesn't mean that tonight is friday evening. it means that's the eve of friday. see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence are. diurnal good evening. lawrence >> stone trying to confuse me with that, rachel it gets me every time. i've got my, my huge subverting justice report, by the democratic staff, of the senate judiciary committee. yeah, i saw, you have a color printer. i don't. >> i do. i invested. >> i'm wicked impressed by the. there's another report that came out, another report came out today.
from the senate judiciary committee. and it is from the republican staff. it is, this. it is five pages. the republican staff. i will be concentrating on this report tonight rachel. you have done a masterful and thorough job on the big fat one, that is really important. this one, is of its own importance for different reasons. it is stunning, it really is a stunning document. and it's the report, maybe no one else will pay attention to. but it does have something worth noting. and so will get to that. -- he's going to decode it for us. >> i'm looking after the say, i'm looking at my notes when i was reading that report today. in whatever on my own notes to myself on. it was when they say what trump was trying to do is make sure stuff got investigated quote, in a thorough and unbiased manner. i wrote in my notes, lol a low
lol. i'm used myself for that report today. that's fantastic. >> it reads as though it was written by a staff full of jeff clerks. >> wow. go lawrence. go get it. go get. it >> thank you rachel. thank you rachel. the staff in the senate judiciary committee, issued two reports today. and both of them are deeply disturbing. for me the report that is actually most disturbing, is the one you really have not heard much about. or haven't heard anything about it all. until a moment ago. when i was discussing it with rachel. democratic staff of the senate judiciary committee issued a report titled subverting justice, giving us more detail about the coup that donald trump was attempting from the oval office. and the role that the justice department and the attorney general wanted to play in the coup. much of what is in the democratic staff report, has
already been reported in newspaper reports and books, covering the final days of the trump presidency. there is much more specificity on all of that, in this report. the committee had the full cooperation of donald trump's last acting attorney general, jeffrey rosen, in the death of the attorney general richard donahue. we now know, that donald trump began an oval office meeting on january 3rd, by saying that one thing we know is, we are not gonna do anything to overturn the election. the committee obtained the white house photographs of that meeting. and there it is, attorney general jeffrey rosen sitting across from the president. not all coups, have an official photographer. but the failed coup, run by donald trump in the oval office, was photographed. one witness to refused to cooperate with the committee is jeffrey clark. who donald trump wanted to install as the acting attorney general, because clark had written a, letter to be sent to government officials in certain swing states, like georgia.
michigan. and others. saying that the justice department believed, that there were problems in the presidential election. in those state. in the republican office holders in the state should appoint a different set of electors, to vote in the electoral college for donald trump instead of joe, biden who won those states. in the january 3rd meeting of the oval office, where this was discussed for three hours, donald trump learned, that he would face mass resignations if he fired jeff rosen, and made geoff clark the acting attorney general. the senate judiciary committees democratic staff reports says, at some point during the, meeting deputy attorney general, richard donahue, and assistant attorney general steven angle, made clear that all of the assistant attorneys general would resign if trump replaced rosen with clark. donahue added that the mass resignations, would not end there, and that u.s. attorneys, and other doj officials, might also resign on.
they also recalled white house counsel -- deputy counsel patrick philbin, pushing back against the proposal to replace rosen with, clark calling clark splitter a murder suicide pact. in the two white house lawyers indicating that they would also resign. despite being informed early on, that the clark course of action would prompt mass resignations, and even though, every participant in the meeting except clark, advocated strongly against that course of action, trump continued for some time, to entertain the idea, of installing clark in rosen's place. in so donald trump, who throughout his life has been a cowardly man. got scared. he was afraid, of many or most of the u.s. attorneys, and hundreds of assistant u.s. attorney's, and dozens of justice department employees, as well as white house lawyers and possibly people all over
his administration, quitting because donald trump fired the acting attorney general, and installed a new acting attorney general, to corrupt the election process. donald trump was no doubt afraid, that that action could lead to him being impeached and removed from office, donald trump, was no doubt afraid that that action could lead to him being criminally prosecuted, for committing election crimes. in the states where he was trying to steal the election, and so, in the end, donald trump did not carry out the plot that he and jeff clark, had been working on for a few weeks. that is the nightmare, described by the senate judiciary committees democratic staff, there is another nightmare, in the report by the republican staff. of the senate judiciary committee. and it is a nightmare that will be with us for decades to come. long after donald trump is gone, in long after the republican judiciary committee staffs
their boss, 88 year old -- is gone,. senate committee staff who work on reports like, this are people in their twenties. and thirties. and usually the oldest among them are in their forties. they are all, much younger than the people we saw in the photographs, of the coup attempt, in the oval office. on january 3rd. and those young lawyers, working on the republican staff for the senate judiciary committee, actually wrote a report. based on the same evidence, saying donald trump, did nothing wrong. they say that because donald trump, did not actually fire the acting attorney general, and install geoff clark, as acting attorney general, that, donald trump, did nothing wrong, the republican staff report says, the available evidence shows that president trump did not use the justice department to overturn the election, and what they really mean is, that the available evidence shows
that president trump did not succeed, and using the justice department to overturn the election. it is completely okay with the republican senators on the judiciary committee say that justice department to stage a coup. and it's completely okay with the republican committee staff, the republican staff report says, president trump did not exert improper influence on the justice department, had no impact on the justice department's election activities, the republican staff is saying, that because jeffrey rosen in the leadership of the justice department refused to carry out donald trump's plan, for a coup, than obviously donald trump, quote, did not exert improper influence on the justice department, the truth, is that he exerted improper influence on the justice department. but the key people working their, resisted that influence. the tragedy, of the republican staff report, is that it shows
you, how deep the cancer is, in the republican party. it's not just spread to men in their seventies and eighties, like donald trump and mitch mcconnell. and it's now completely consuming republicans in washington. who are half the age of those men, and younger. there could be future senators, working on that republican committee staff. future members of the house. future white house chiefs of staff. we -- worked on the staff of the senate judiciary committee. there could be a future republican president on that staff, future republican attorney general. and we now know tonight, that the republican staff, that committee, has contempt for government, contempt for the constitution, contempt for the justice department's ethical standards, that were established, after republican president richard nixon corrupted the justice department. senate staff, as the same oath
that senators do, that i will support and defend the constitution of the united states, against all, enemies foreign and domestic. that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, republican staff, and the senate judiciary committee, found an enemy of the constitution, in the oval office, donald trump. and they found an enemy of the constitution, working in the justice department. it was egging on donald trump, in the justice department. jeff clark. and the republican staff, of the senate judiciary committee, refuses to defend the constitution, against those two enemies who they found in this investigation. i know what it feels like to take that oath. i cannot imagine what it feels like to violate that oath. no committee staff, in the senate, has ever produced a more disgraceful piece of work,
then the republican committee staff, in the senate judiciary committee, and we have every reason to fear, that that staff, will be doing work like that, in washington, for decades to come. leading off our discussion tonight's democratic congressman hakeem jeffries of new york. he's the chairman of the house democratic caucus, and a member of the house judiciary committee. thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate. as a member of the judiciary committee of the house, and now seeing with the senate judiciary committee has revealed, you to have jurisdiction, oversight jurisdiction of what goes on at the justice department, what are your first thoughts about what can be done about this? >> good evening lawrence, great to be on. as always. donald trump's behavior continues to make richard nixon look like a choir boy. there is no bottom, there never
will be. that is how corrupt this particular individual, who used to occupy 1600 pennsylvania avenue, is, and how much he has corrupted, the republican party, which is no longer a functional governing party. it's a cult. i think, we came very close to losing our democracy and the more information that is to, fields the clear that becomes. and so i expect that on the house, judiciary committee side, they will continue to explore this information, probate, presented to the american people of course. leading that effort in the house is going to continue to be the select committee, and they were going to have to try to figure out how we can hold some of these individuals accountable, for their behavior. whatever and wherever possible, so as the hopefully deter it from ever happening again. >> you know, on the deterrent part, when i was reading this, what i kept seeing. and this is something the trump
air really revealed for us. is that everything, everything that the committee staff, the democratic committee staff, fines to be a violation, it's almost entirely a violation of norms. and a violation of ethical standards set up after richard nixon, and it's all based on this old-fashioned washington notion, of a gentleman's agreement that gentlemen simply wouldn't make phone calls like, this and gentlemen simply wouldn't make requests like this, and there's no structure, to police this kind of activity. there is no, going forward, there's no structure to police this kind of activity. >> certainly, we have learned as a result of what took place during the trump administration, as you indicated, that norms are no longer enough. in terms of the preservation and continuity of our democracy, chairman admin weeding -- in effort to try to address this issue and put into place, laws and statutes, to govern
what is appropriate conduct, so that, hopefully we never have to confront an out of control corrupted ministration, like the one that existed when donald trump was in office. now of course, will have to confront, the dynamics in the senate, with the republican party there. when they refused to govern, in a credible fashion, but the first step that will have to take, is to move this legislation, in the house. and to make our case to the american people, as to why it's important, so the for their well-being, we can't really have a functioning economy, we can't really have a functional society, that takes cares of the needs, the hopes, and dreams of the aspirations of the american people. if democracy breaks down. and that's why this issue, should be important to every single american. >> the report clearly shows, that there is not currently a
way to control this kind of behavior. there's all this discussion about the process, and a limit to who can have contact with the white house and the justice department but those things are just there to be trampled on, by someone like donald trump. and going forward, unless you can actually legislate the internals, of the injustice department and how it operates, which by the way, it's no easy thing. i have no suggestion about how you write that law. it be very complex to write that law, in a sense of the word. but it's hard to see how this would be stopped in the future. would bewell certainly, i thinke has to be consequences to behavior that goes beyond a policy violation, becomes a statutory violation, and a violation of law. and part halves imposing criminal consequences where
appropriate, we should explore all of that. because, again, our democracy is fragile. and we've seen that, in so many ways, including the january 6th violent insurrection. and we're going to have to do things differently, and not simply wish it away. and i believe that democrats in the house the senate, and certainly president biden, are all prepared to leaders forward, both in terms of getting things done for every midday americans, as it relates to improving their quality of life, and improving access to opportunity in every single zip code. and protecting our institutions, our values, our norms, and the heart and soul of our democracy. and that's the job that is in front of us. >> these senate did vote tonight to extend the debt ceiling in affects into december. 11 republican votes for closure, which is not the same thing as voting to raise the debt ceiling. mitch mcconnell is one of those 11 votes.
it looks like we're on track for a similar kind of drama in december. in the meantime, will you be able to put the infrastructure package together, in a reconciliation package, they could also include a debt ceiling extension or expansion. so you wouldn't have to go through this again? >> well, we will have to have that discussion in terms of whether that's the appropriate way to go. or whether we can deal with it, in conjunction, of making the full spending bill to keep the government open on december 3rd, and moving forward. in the interim, we've got to get the infrastructure agreement over the finish line, fix our crumbling bridges, roads, tunnels, or mad travelers since them, at the same time make the type of investments in childcare and home care, and health care. expanding access to medicaid. making sure we deal with a crime crisis, and green are climate economy. that's what's in front of us
over the next few weeks, i expect we are going to get these two pieces of transformative legislation over the finish line. and then we will have to deal with both the end of year spending agreement. that expires on december 3rd. as well as addressing the debt ceiling that now will expire on december 3rd, in tandem and i expect that's exactly what we're going to. do >> congressman hakeem jeffries, thank you very much for starting off our discussion tonight. >> thank you lawrence. >> thank you, joining us now is -- an msnbc legal contributor. neil is a veteran of the justice department. i just want to give you an open forum to react to what you riyadh in this report today,. >> well, lawrence, leave it to donald trump he can't even coup competently. reading that report, the conversations between the a.g., rosen, clark, and trump. it played out kind of like an
episode of the apprentice, except in this case no one got fired, and trump's incoherent decisions can't be really rested by the end it. i'm so glad you're lead up started with the republican report, because i think that was truly a disgrace. as a lawyer, i've seen a lot of bad arguments in my lifetime, but here is the actual argument in the report. grassley argues that donald trump couldn't have been that bad, because he didn't go through with firing general rosen, and installing geoff clark. but the only reason that happened is because there was a quote, murder suicide pact, at the justice department to mask resign, if trump tried to pull that stunt. you don't get credit for kind of, doing the right thing under duress. you don't give nixon credit because he resigned as opposed to being impeached or thrown out of office. i think the most important thing is, can you imagine,
lawrence, just how bad you gotta be, just how evil, if you're the president, and your entire handpicked justice department, it entire handpicked white house counselor's office, they're all threatening to mask resign because of a decision you want to make? this is not the deep state. these are donald trump people. and let's be clear, donald trump didn't exactly pick people who were sticklers for the rule of law. pic people wso even by that bottom r standard, trump couldn't keep them on board. that is all you need to know. >> the reason geoff clark hasn't testified yet to the senate judiciary committee, is that they cannot in effect issue subpoenas. because they need a majority vote for subpoenas. the committee is now split 10:10, democrat and republicans. so they couldn't pull him in. the january six special committee can. they can subpoena him. obviously, he should be high on their subpoena list.
>> yeah, if someone is trying to demonstrate the banality of evil. i'd see, we environmental leader jeff clark trying to facilitate a coup is pretty much on the nose. you're absolutely right that if the january six house committee can do it, but i think there is another actor that i really want to see get involved, and that is the justice department. you know, the report today i slaves a case for a violate of u.s. c 18. which is a caution of political activity. where it is a crime to chorus government officials to engage in political acts. i'm not saying that necessarily act and, i would say that the evidence in the report there is a deep cry for an investigation by law enforcement, with law enforcement tools behind. it >> will catch piano, thank you very much for joining us tonight, always appreciate. coming up, abortion services
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we just got our hands on the 113 page order by a federal court judge in texas, blocking the new texas abortion law. supreme court reporter called it an extraordinary piece of judicial, writing and judicial fact finding. including and robert pittman's analysis of the law, our footnotes about the impacts about the new texas law. the impact of real people. one of those footnotes, quote an health care provider in oklahoma. one of the most heart-wrenching cases i've seen recently was of a texas meyer who had been raved by a family member and traveled, accompanied by her guardian, all the way from galveston, texas, a 78-hour
drive, one way, together abortion in oklahoma, because she was more than six weeks pregnant and cannot get an abortion in texas. and this patient is not the only sexual assault survivor from texas that i have treating recently. but whole women's health, and abortions -- we were able to provide abortions today to people who had already complied with texas's 24 hour waiting period. we've reached out to people, on the waiting list, we had to turn away in september. as neal katyal explain to us last night, there is a provision in the texas law that says, anyone who provides abortion services, cannot later defend themselves in texas, by saying that it was done while that temporary injunction like this one, was in place. here is what amy hagstrom miller president and ceo of whole woman's health had to say
on msnbc. >> there is this pause ability of retroactive legal action, that gives a lot of us pause. it's meant to be meant to be something that scares us, many give people fear. be afraid to provide abortions, we got away a lot of those risks and provide the needs of our patients. , when i first late.com and host of the podcast, and area tracing whom are -- msnbc contributor. and all you've had 24 hours, i want to give you that opportunity that in washington they call, the chance to revise and extend your remarks, about last night. you sped read your way through this last night. why does it say to you, what is this order say to you when you have 24 hours to reflect on it? i think i'm so struck, lawrence. by the ways in which judge
pittman, very definitely, in the body of the opinion, it's 113 pages. and above those footnotes, he does all the work that was too hard for the supreme court to do about standing in about injunctive relief and whether the state can sue under. it's the most jargon lawyers speak, and it's very deft. and it's very meticulous. and in these footnotes, like the one you just read, that footnote nine, that just gutted me. that is essentially a slideshow, of all the suffering, that is happened, that was completely cast aside, by the lower court, by the fifth circuit, by the u.s. supreme court. and to give a sense, of the acute catastrophic effect, for millions of texans. in all of that is happening in these footnotes.
i was frustrated at the hearing last week, and judge pittman's hearing, because it appeared to be only white men talking to wait judges, about pregnant people's bodies, who were very disproportionately affected if their of color. to see judge pittman, stand up and say, this is a slide show of the actual experienced lives on the ground, of people implicated here. it was the most fundamentally, great act of real vision and real i think, compassion that i have seen in this entire lawsuit. >> yeah, maria, it was not ivory tower justice. it was not someone sitting up in a posture removed from the reality of what the judge was ruling on. but, as dahlia refers to, the stuff above the footnotes, which is to say the essential jurisprudence of, it is so full,
and touches every base of what is currently, a constitutional right. and it's clearly being violated in texas. and it seems to leave it now, it's posture for the supreme court to decide, to either preserve that constitutional right, or take it away. >> that's exactly right, that's why the department of justice sued. because up to the law, they cannot, a states law cannot supersede a federal law. and that is what basically judge pittman said. any punted back to the supreme court, as you recall lawrence the supreme court so they don't want to touch it. now it's going to be very exposed for the world to. see part is because i -- republicans are themselves know that the american people, this asked majority of american people everywhere, have agency over their body. this is not a popular issue.
what pittman did was exposed this apocryphal. we are going to take it back to the highest courts overland? and you can decide in a very clear, way the fact that we just had a woman's march here. this past weekend, in over 100,000 women, came out and marched. it's not this issue that people didn't want to go away, they wanted to say we're in the 20%, dream are going to make sure it's airtight. we're going to make sure that women have the rights, and we're going to make sure related the supreme court, they are exposed as well as the world watches. >> dalia, another thing i found some unusual, in this order, in a good way, is that the judge did not, he was not afraid of going right into, the medical details. he took on for example, the term fetal heartbeat, and said that's not an accurate medical term, about what we're talking about. when we're talking about cardiac activity in an embryo,
fetal heartbeat should not be used, here in a lot of these, a lot of judges in these, cases certainly in the supreme court, they stay very far away from anything like that. they stay far away from any of the actual medical in physiological realities of what we're talking about. >> it was amazing, not only was he really scrupulous about saying, look, this is a flickering sales that you're seeing, it's not a heartbeat, time and time again, he was giving statistics about the likelihood of dying because you carried a pregnancy to term, as opposed to terminate it. the statistics about women in texas who live in poverty, the statistics about, how many people, terminate pregnancies, who already have children. all of this data, that is a part of the picture, and he just puts it in the footnotes, in order to say, we are not going to exceed to this
framing. we have been forced fed. this is a hard, be in this is a, life and that's the beginning, and that's the end of the discussion, and i agree, there is so much richness there, because he's willing to just lean in, and do that analysis, and it's the kind of stuff, that a lot of judges are like eked out by. >> go ahead marie trees. >> he basically turned on its head, the republican talking points, as clarified for the american people. that is a ruse. language is so important, for a long time, the left in the right has been able to, win is by sensationalizing terms. he basically stopped in its tracks. and explained it simply, and that was the brilliance of this. >> dahlia lithwick and maria teresa kumar, thank you both for joining us tonight. coming up, from the constitutional rights to abortion services, to the constitutional right to vote, texas has become a laboratory
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parties working laboratory, for their attacks on voting rights, election integrity, reproductive rates, and immigration. and, it is not pulling very well. professor at the lyndon johnson school of public affairs at the university of texas rights, governor greg abbott and the republican party have embraced a top down policy gender that's backward looking. excludes huge swaths of texas is citizenry and runs against the grain of many of its new stakeholders bill use. they are looking to shore it up by a combination of gerrymandering, voter suppression and relentless cultural warfare. that agenda, is not supported by the public. the latest university of texas poll finds 52% of texans find
their state is headed in the wrong direction. the highest since that pole started in 2008. that same, poll finds the approval rating of governor greg abbott, is at 41%. the lowest since february 2016. here is what matthew dowd, a former republican who's running as a democrat, for texas lieutenant governor, told the host of the circus. >> we've lived over 30 years? 30 years? do you sense that there is a palpable awareness, within texas, of how bad it's been for the last year here? outside, we all look at texas and go one. it's a nightmare. but to texans feel? that >> i've talked to a lot of people, including disinfected republicans who think they can fix the party, but they don't like what's happening. i've talked to independents, i've talked with them all over. i would say the most consistent way to say it is, i'm proud of my state, and i love my state. but what they're doing is
embarrassing. republicans, independents and democrats, democrats may state it more well, independents might say it and slightly different, way but republicans were disinfected, they all say basically the same thing. this is embarrassing. >> joining us now, the nbc news an msnbc's national affairs islands, it hosting executive producer of showtime's the circus, that will run the fully profane version of that clip. and he is the host of the hell and high-water podcast, from the recount. john, we will wait for profanity for sunday night. you have to keep it clean here. as we always do. >> i'll try. >> so here in texas, at a crucial time, at the moment when the federal judges order comes out in the middle of this incredibly intense and important story down there, and abortion rights. and all of the other things that the republicans are trying to do, in that laboratory they
call texas. >> it's an extraordinary moment here lawrence. you think about the texas republican party, was really only became the dominant party in texas, back in 2004. and in the 16 years since, than 17 years since, and the party has been taken on a monopoly status here. and yet it seems to see, that status is imperiled by the rise of increasingly nonwhite population here. that demographic changed. the way the suburbs have grown in texas. and you look at the way the -- being ted cruz in 2018. you looked at the way a lot of democrats ran better in 2020 than the head and longtime. there is a period we thought there was some slim hope that joe biden might take the state. you see texas republican saying, we can see the end of the road here. so they're trying, to ram through as much extreme legislation is possible, it is quick a period of time is possible. and the effect of that, as that matthew dowd, is his entering
this race suggests, that this reason 2022, for lieutenant governor, is going to be nationalized in a way that no statewide races ever been before. in terms of money immediate tension. this is the place that is really the sharp end of this, fear of the trump revolution. and that has made this a place where the intensity on the ground, is unprecedented, in my experience. doing this for almost 30 years now. >> so john, there is another approach, that is possible. and it's actually the approach we used to see. way back in the 20th century. and it's that, when an electorate started moving in a certain direction, that was a towards say the other party. the party that it was moving away from, would start to make a few accommodations, and find ways to reach out to that electorate. to try to basically move in their direction. texas republican party, sees a new population coming in.
and says, we are going to do everything that they don't want. >> right. it's a quaint notion you have. lawrence this notion of, the swing voter in the kind of how you put moderate instead of going more extreme. it's two factors are driving that i think. one is that this monopolies that is of the party for the last 16 17 years, has created a dynamic on the. right we've seen in a lot of other, places very pronounced. here where the action, the political action, is on the primary side. so even greg abbott right, now is going to have a more conservative challenger. he's going to be primaried from the, right in 2022. a lot of people think that's part of the reason why abbott is doing what he's doing. he's worried that can actually get be in a primary by someone that's more conservative in the. him that's a metaphor that probably won't happen, but it's the thing that drives and animates this impulse. all the republicans are terrified. and the reason they're terrified in particular, is what drives that primary dynamic. which is the second factor. and that's donald trump. trump is the thing that puts
the republican party was going further and further and right in the, state all the way from the early nineties, up into the late 2000s. but then in 2016, 2017, it when that one step further. over the cliff. and the fact that trump still hovers so large in our political conversation, in that all these texas republicans are terrified, that if they were to do what you just suggested, which we used to do to back in the 20th century, which was moderate their policies. trump would come after them. and they will lose their jobs in their power and perks and all that stuff. it's really the perfect microcosm, of the dynamics that have been polarizing or politics. and in particular the dynamics that have driven that party into this place of extremism. that risk the kind of backlash the year saying before, that i think a lot of people now see coming. that this could be, they've gone one step too far. now they will pay a price. fairly soon. >> john heilemann, thank you for joining us from texas tonight. anyone who wants to hear the profane version, it's sunday night and showtime, the circus.
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christy baxter, she's the director of critical care, at billings clinic in montana. thank you very much for joining us tonight. i really appreciate. it when you say you've had those days where you, thought i don't know that i can continue to do this, what do you say to yourself, that makes you continue to do this? >> i've been a nurse for 30 years, and i believe passionately and when we do, in critical, care that we have that opportunity to work with people, when they're at their sickest, and their most vulnerable, and to help people heal. and so that is really what inspired me to come back and do, this has been an unrelenting, an exhausting 18 months. dealing with the initial surge in patients, and then weeds out with a lot of the patients who didn't seek health care, during that initial surge, you've had many serious health conditions come again out, now are still dealing with. that we're dealing with some of the first, surgeon our dealing with a second surge of patients,
so it's been overwhelming, it's the hope that i can make a difference for somebody, and help someone get home to their family, that helps me come and do this job every day. >> what about your coworkers, in teammates, there must be times when some of them are having, low days, thinking maybe they can't continue. and it's your turn to kind of coach them into hanging in there. >> so i am the director of critical, care so i'm the one who oversees our resource allocation, i've had to force nurses in my party unit, to take care of patients that are icu level patients, that they normally wouldn't care for. and these are nurses who didn't used to become an icy nurse, they chose to work in his step down, unit with cardiac patients. and so they've had to change the type of work that they do. where normally they heal people, currently we have a lot of people who are dying in that unit, in that's been incredibly traumatic, we've had to be there to just hold peoples,
hands to talk them through, it to try to get them a break, to take a minute, i think this younger group of patients, has been particularly challenging for us, there are many weeks that we have people who have families at home, and so the covid patients that are dying, or leaving children. that are still living in their homes. and we're dealing with the impacts of, that and the sadness of watching these families grieve from windows. and it's a heartbreaking situation. >> are you also dealing with some people who are simply shocked, that their relative has covid, that they didn't think it was going to happen to them? >> absolutely, people, and even patients, that are admitted to have had a positive covid, test to have at times denied to, us will this can't be, covid you must be lying to, me i wouldn't be admitted with that. so yes many families, who are here, who they just didn't realize the ramifications of how serious covid could be. and how significant it could,
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