tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC October 8, 2021 12:00am-1:00am PDT
♪ ♪ ♪ . ♪ ♪ ♪ tonight on all in. america was closer to a successful trump coup than we ever knew. >> i don't think i'm overstating the case, we were a half step away from a full-blown constitutional. crisis >> tonight, the damning new report on trump's push to subvert democracy. the republicans members of congress were aiding and abetting, and the entire republican party was fully and completely on board with the next.
two >> who won the election in arizona. >> we don't know. >> then, the followed in texas for women's full constitutional rights, has been restored. and, potential game changing news on vaccines for. kids and what we know about mitch mcconnell's big date that limit cave, all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, we've got some news happening right. now a senate, as i speak to, you is voting on whether or not to vote to move forward with the that ceiling in the short term, so the u.s. can pay its bills and not precipitate a financial cataclysm. republican leader mitch mcconnell said he could muster enough republicans to get to 60 votes, and surpass a filibuster, so he needs tend to deliver from his caucus. we are waking them in a sure if you could make good on that promise, after several members of his own caucus publicly criticized him. so far, only nine republicans have voted to move forward on the bill.
one short. voters still open, will keep monitoring what's happening, we expect them to get to ten. as we wait to send to -- unprecedented financial cataclysm. we turn to another cataclysm, barely missed on january 6th. there is not a single thing we've learned about the former presidents attempted coup, that is made it seem less dangerous, less or more benign. in fact, just the opposite, every single time we've learned some revelation, about what donald trump in his henchmen were up to, we get a fuller picture of what we all live. through a democratic, near death experience. swerving the car on the road, i just a last second, in which the sitting leader attempted to use this force of the state to retain power against the will of the people. and, he had a lot of willing collaborators, just not quite enough. so, today, more on that front, the senate judiciary committee released a bombshell report, based on documents they obtained, and in-depth, on the record interviews, with him
friday of key players. this report sheds new light on just how extensive this effort was, it's titled, subverting justice, how the former president and his allies pressured the department of justice to overturn the 2020 election. now, let me just start off by reminding you who those key players in the department of justice are. we have jeffrey rosen, he ran the doj as acting attorney general, after bill barr left in december of last year quite a plea. rosen's deputy, is number two, is that guy, he's a guy named richard donahue, previously served as -- for the new york district of. new york there's a third character here, this guy got to keep in mind. his name is jeffrey clark he's a, lesser-known official in the apartment. and he went full insurrectionist and essentially plotted with trump to use the department of justice to foment trump's coup. even if that required getting rid of his own boss jeffrey rosen. now, we already knew about it that plan to push out rosen and replace him with the coup
lackey clark. but senate report provides new contacts and new revelations. details are meeting on january 3rd, three days before the fateful day, in the oval office, in this meeting, you've got rosen. right. the guy who's running the department of jaws, this donahue, and clark was. there along with white house counsel pat cipollone in his. deputy according to rosen, trump opened the meeting, and i'm gonna read this quote to you, and i want to sink, in by saying, one thing we know is you, rosen,, aren't going to do anything to overturn the election. over the course of the next few hours, the court had a wide-ranging conversation focusing on whether trump should replace doj leadership, install clark's -- there was a letter of course you want to send to georgia officials, as well as maybe other states. falsely claiming there's doj was aware of election fraud there, and basically inviting those states to reject the electors of joe biden and son thrown for trump. this came in just one day after
clark revealed to the acting attorney general and his deputy, that he had spoken to a witness who testified in a georgia senate hearing, and claimed he had seen trucks moving ballots to a location where they would be shredded. now keep in mind, this is like a total utter matter not notary. from the darkest depths that the internet. this is like, 9/11 was an inside job level stuff. the jeffrey clark is interviewing witnesses about. now, there is a lot of pushback, white house counsel pat cipollone, called clerks note a murder suicide pacts. deputy attorney general donahue, -- all the attorney general would resign, if he replaced rosen with clark, the coup lackey. and the two white house lawyers indicated they would also resign. so everyone sitting in the room, you've got trump, and his kolasky clark who are like let's do the coup, and all the other lawyers are like, we are all resign if you do the coup.
according to donahue trump did not reject the core of action, in till the final 15 minutes of the 2 to 3-hour meeting. that sounds exhausting in incredibly tedious, but i guess it worked out kind of in the end? that was just one of nine calls and meetings listed in the report. okay, this wasn't like a one-off, it wasn't casual stuff. nine calls and meetings that he held with acting attorney general rosen and donahue, pressuring, pressuring, pressuring them to overturn the election results. he told them, that sentence in the report overturn the election. in fact, the photo that you see there are included in the report, is from another oval office meeting with doj leadership on december 31st. the report confirms that the pressure but simultaneously coming from trump's chief of staff, another coup lackey, another person who collaborated in an attempt to murder american democracy, mark meadows. who asked acting attorney general rosen to initiate
election fraud investigation almost double in indications, -- white house doj communications about specific law, meadows also asked the doj to meet with the -- rudy giuliani about conspiracy theories including one called, italy gate, this is one of my favorites, take some time to google's. and other election fraud. in addition, the committee confirmed that former president trump forced the resignation of u.s. attorney bjp pack, who he believed was not doing enough to addressed false claims of election fraud in georgia georgia. and they were revealed new details about scott perry in pennsylvania, who led the objection to counting pennsylvania's electoral votes on the election floor, in the hours immediately following the january 6th insurrection, that was the violence storming of the capital, where they kept a bunch of cars brains been. and scott perry came in and
said we should with the mob. was perry has acknowledged introducing jeffrey hunt to trump. and documents and testimony, the committee confirmed that he directly communicated with donahue about his false pennsylvania election fraud claims. so that guy scott perry, sitting member of u.s. congress, aiding the president in his seditious plot. you've got perry, got the president, you've got kolasky's and meadows and clark. you've got the committee's report concludes, all these efforts in turn, graded the disinformation in ecosystem necessary for trump to incite almost 1000 americans to preach like capitals in a violent attempt to -- by subverting election. we also have news tonight, the house committee investigating january six has issued subpoenas to the organizers of the stop the steal rally which preceded the riot at the capitol. now, that's in addition to subpoenas they already issued to 11 of individuals affiliated with the planning of pro trump rallies before the attack. so, again, a lot more detail
about what we knew is happening, which is donald trump really wanted a coup. and a bunch of people really wanted to help him, but not enough. but in some ways, even more disturbing than the revelations about how close we came to catastrophe on january six, is the fact that right now of the entire republican party, has more or less come who supporting party. we all know, donald trump does obviously not believing democracy, and if given the opportunity, he will murder american democracy. and we also know that after a beauty pang of conscience, in the wake of the images of riders storming the capitol, and the echoes of hang mike pence ringing in their ears, republicans have alfarone back in line with the former president. i mean, a few exceptions, but basically everyone, including even the most establishment members -- such as senator chuck grassley, republican elder statesman.
they put this minority staff statement, attempting to rebut the statement of the -- well he didn't put it off. and then this week, chuck grassley is going to be joining donald trump at a rally in his home state. again, sharing the stage with the man who tried to stab american democracy in the heart. who just yesterday said the real insurrection have not november 3rd, the present election, not on january 6th. we it was lindsey graham, of south carolina, who briefly jumped off those trump train, is right back on it, seeing recently, he hopes trump runs again in 2020. for we've got former ambassadors united states nikki haley, who obviously harbors presidential aspirations. now after the election he had his hilariously tortured interview saying, trump down a path he shouldn't have, and we should have followed him, and we can't let that ever happen again. in a new interview this week she has changed her tune saying,
we need him in the republican party, i don't want to go back to the days before trump. they're all doing this because, as jonathan che points out in new york magazine, there is no middle space anymore. all republican politics now, is now functionally authoritarian -- [interpreter] . the problem with pursuing the names of the publican party is returning power to this man, who killed it in a heartbeat. that's the consensus view of the republican party, that he should be the leader, there behind the man who attended a coup, and try to destroy 240 years of democratic traditions, and will do it again the next chance he gets. and they will help them to. it senator amy klobuchar is a democrat from minnesota, she serves on the senate judiciary committee, who released that report today, she joins me now. senator klobuchar, moments ago, it looks like enough republicans voted to move forward on the debt ceiling, so let's just start with that. is that correct? >> that's correct, literally emma few yards away from the
senate floor. because we have a series of votes tonight with senator blunt's vote, as well as senator brown's vote. 11 republicans, only 11 republicans, voted with every single democrats, all 50 democrats, to make sure that we stand by our country's obligation. otherwise our credit rating would've plummeted, we would basically have hurt regular people with interest rates rising. and unemployment going up. it's unbelievable that they brought us to this brink. but in the end, they caved, and senator mcconnell after saying he wouldn't do it, agreed that through december, and that's what we have, through december to work this out. and most importantly for us, this is a time period where we can get the build back better bills done. and we're not gonna go into that tonight, you know there's a lot of work to do. we're excited about that possibility. and i'm just so glad, that the democrats push this and we were
able to do this without going through some crazy procedural masks, and put the credit rating at risk. >> we'll see where we are in a month, i will say that you're right, mcconnell did cave, he not only caved but he really screwed his caucus. i'm eerily sympathetic to the ted cruz of the world, but it did seem like -- and you can see it in the fact that he only got 11, they don't seem very happy with him. >> they seem in a bit of a disgruntled mood about it. but such is life, but i care about is that we stood united. we had a strategy, and our strategy was to govern, and govern with the president of the united states, and we did it. >> so, let's talk about this report, it's pretty shocking the stuff in there. the new detail, the level of pressure that has been brought to bear. on these officials, and it was real serious sustained pressure. what is your big take away from what you've learned in the course of this investigation,
and the final report. >> well, my first is actually what you said in your opening, which really went into the weeds, which people need to do on this. you said, nothing about this makes us better. but we knew before, there's only makes it worse and more troubling. i think the first thing is just a repeated pressure, we knew about the lawsuits, hundreds of lawsuits all over the country, false claims thrown out by quite. we knew that he tried to get the vocal officials fired, with this report showed is the repeated pressure on the department of justice. nine different meetings, i think one of the scariest things to me was that note -- from the report where there is a handwritten note of a phone call during which president trump tells department justice leadership, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me. and you see with barr's departure, more and more pressure on acting internally
general rosen, who actually was a witness i attended this part of the questioning. when acting attorney general then a attorney general, now private citizen rosen. that was pretty damning, i think you see this in the report. as well as what we've learned about georgia, where the u.s. attorney was violated for violating the law. that u.s. attorney said no, i'm not gonna do what he wants. i want to ask about your colleague chuck grassley, you've known him a long time, i've covered him for a long time. i would call chuck grassley a kind of capitol armed normal republican. cares about foreign policies, he's been there for a long time. he was this minority report where basically he used this kind of segment in oan, or fox news, attempts to defend the president by basically saying he never actually pulled off the coup. and then he is going to go be in a rally with him this weekend. what does that say about chuck grassley of all people who?
is aligning himself with this man to try to do this. >> i think we have seen very few exceptions where republicans have been willing to stand up to this. one of them is liz cheney, over in the house. and i will note not sure if you focused on this, but we look as we go forward. that house investigation, which is bipartisan, over in the house where they are really digging deep, issuing subpoenas, something that we are unable to do unless we have bipartisan support in the senate judiciary committee. they are doing that. and moving forward is going to be very helpful. and our report here which is, you know, uncovered a bunch of new stuff, i think will be helpful to them in that effort as. well >> final question for you, is about accountability for jeffrey clark, i want to know that there is a letter from the chair, dick chairman of your committee, asking to open an investigation of clark's compliance with applicable rules of professional conduct. why is that important?
>> well you have got a lawyer who was basically not, in my line, when i look at this report, sitting in on a lot of the questioning, when i look at this i think wow,, this is a lawyer that wasn't following the line. he took an oath, and his job. your oath is to protect and defend the constitution of the united states. it is not to be the president's lawyer. when you are at the justice department. so when i look at what he did, and the pressure, and what he tried to do, i understand why senator determine believes we need to call this to the attention of the people that decide legal ethics in the jurisdiction which he practices. >> senator amy klobuchar who i think paid me the complement of saying i got into the weeds in my opening monologue, i'm at a -- i'm going to take as a compliment, thank you. >> i meant it all positive. >> i know you did, thank you very much.
all right today up to september 7th 2020, one of the year held a hearing on the sham on third in arizona. that's the one that jacked up for ages until they finally announced that joe biden won, and donald trump. loss unfortunately, we did not get to hear from the cyber ninjas ceos, since he skipped a hearing on his own audit. we did hear the big lie is alive and well. because the republican party, there is no truth beyond it, only trump. that's next. >> do you accept this audit which shows that joe biden won and indeed by more votes? >> that is not with the audit concluded, you know better than that. that um uh, brass band, new orleans. ♪ ♪ she drives hands free... along the coast. make it palm springs. ♪ cadillac is going electric.
trump republican through and through. represents arizona's deep red fifth congressional district, firmly entrenched in the pro insurrection, pro coup caucus, within congress. so as congress said today during a hybrid hearing oversight committee on -- arizona did not come as a surprise. but still worth listening to, just listen to congressman gigs, respond when congressman jamie raskin, said who won arizona, last november. >> president biden >> i'm happy to yield to you to that. who won the election in arizona? donald trump or joe? biden >> we don't know because as the audit demonstrates, it demonstrates very clearly, that there are a lot of issues with this election that took place. we are going to go through those today. but you can continue speaking of the big lie, you can
continue to perpetuate it as long as you want. but we are going to find out the vote. >> there is the problem that we have, donald trump refuses to tell the results. and unfortunately we have one of the world's great political parties, which is followed him off the ledge of this electoral lunacy. and it is dangerous for democracy. so i'm glad were having this hearing today. >> congressman raskin, not wrong at all. it is not just a fringe between the guys in the. house it is the entire party. and not that the entire party would say, but we don't know who won the election, most of the people would say that joe biden won. most 50/50, something like that. as we know early in the show, even the most establishment figures, like senator trump brusque, who's been -- is basically on board with the slide into authoritarian. again as jonathan puts, it in the new piece in new york magazine, it is basically impossible for a republican in 2021, without tacitly supporting donald trump's attempt to subvert free and fair election in this country.
for this reason, right? the republican party is presumptively a vehicle for trump's authoritarian ambitions, therefore, anything advancing the republican party is a vehicle for trump's attack on the constitution. >> cynthia miller is the director of the polarization, extremism research, in the american university. where she trusts the ongoing threat of an increasing for. >> jennifer reuben is a congressman for washington post, where she is called for the republican side, towards authoritarian. her new book is titled resistance -- jennifer let me start with you >> so ross who is not it's all a trump fan and conservative calls a new york times, has been making this argument who says, that goes the following, you liberal wants republicans to abandon all their other principles and join you in a popular front to save american democracy. but that is not really a fair ask because donald trump isn't that much of a threat. and republicans are republicans and they have things that they
care about. so stop trying to sort of morally blackmail republicans who stay with the party. because the threat to democracy is not that. great and i'm pretty sure your response to that -- >> i don't know whether this is just ridiculous whistling past the graveyard of democracy, or whether this is just bad faith are doing so he can continue to support the party that he has always supported, i don't think that you can look at that kind of evidence that is being uncovered. the senate judiciary that you were just discussing, and not see that there was a grave threat to democracy. i don't know how you look a wave of voter suppression, and voters submission, legislation around the country. and i think it is extremely dangerous for people to know better, for people like ross. for people in the senate, who do know better. and kind of go along with. this this is what allows a totalitarian, democrats to seize power and to control
through and through. and so pretty soon if you don't believe him at least you don't know what to believe. and that is straight from a demigod, and dictators rulebook. this is how we get into deep trouble. >> cynthia miller-idriss, i was someone who is steeped in research on polarization and extremism, how do you diagnose this fact that you've got trump's control of the party, you've got a wing of people who is ferociously on his side? so there's a relatively small number of people who say the election was stolen, from elected members. and then you've got a broader froth who is more willing to play footsie. and then you've got the rest of the astounding republicans to just go along. what does that add up to to what the party means in america's two party system right now? >> i think if we were seeing these conditions exist anywhere else in the world, the u.s. and our allies would be sending electoral monitors, would be sending election support for a
fragile democracy essentially. and when you look for so long in a country that likes to think of itself as a beacon of democracy, it can be really difficult to really recognize how dangerous the conditions have become. but i do think that what we're facing right now is a kind of gaslighting situation where we have millions of people who genuinely believe that there wasn't a legit legitimate election. and they're believing wide swaths of disinformation, that is being sent their way from people they are supposed to trust us the source of their information. and honestly if this were happening anywhere else we'd be the ones sending aid to help the democratic process. >> it's funny to jennifer rubin, because the trump line is to sort of vulgar and preposterous even for a lot of close allies to deal with. so you get this gradations of nuance in which how people try to flirt with it. here is gosar. gosar is trite manga aligned. he has not struck me as the
most sophisticated thinker in the united states congress. but here he is talking about the audit today. but >> just the results we see here, supposedly don't change the outcome. but there is more to the story. it's how those votes can be manipulated by machines, and then the calibration, or the certification of those ballots is covered up by the machines. >> i leave it to viewers to ascertain whether they find that persuasive, but i will see that we, you are seeing risks tree to this kind of unspecified questions were glenn young in virginia can say, we ought to audit the machines. it is his way of essentially not fully coming out and saying the thing that is obviously indispensable, which is donald trump won the election. and yet still giving credence to the people that want to hear that donald trump won the election. >> right, and just to be clear
that notion that the machines did it, and then they hit it from the rest of us is complete nonsense. so, it is. you're exactly right, the people that come from -- oh i didn't see the tweet club, i bring in the latest that the said they are the people that say, who is to know. how do you know anything? those are sort of the moral and intellectual needless. and then you hear the people who say. , well how do we know that there weren't a lot of illegal immigrants voting. that's what trump signed was. up to 3 to 4 5 million of them, so when you are in a cold like say, there is no fact that you cannot absorb -- there is no bad information. you can't somehow bend, or reaffirm the dock -- that's how these things operate and it is very very dangerous because someone who hasn't
spent any time listening to the facts then this audit show that joe biden won by more vote then we even thought. then there is no evidence for the, those people will believe this and the entire process here is designed to make us believe that the elections is unreliable. that they are not final their. that is just the first round, the first suggestion in an election. it really comes out when you get into voter subversion, when you get into violence, the pressure violence, they are trying to de-legitimize elections. quickly and finally to you, cynthia, is there any way to interpret chuck grassley showing up at a trump event this weekend, as essentially attaching endorsing endorsement of what's trump tied to. do >> i think what we're seeing here is a lot of erasing of the
past, and trying to move forward in ways that pretend things didn't happen. and, so i don't see how we can continue to see that kind of situation without interpreting it as some kind of test of support. so, yes, i think that's the situation. wherein >> cynthia miller in just a room, it thank you very much. ahead a victory for reproductive rights in texas, as a federal judge suspends the total ban on abortion, how long will it last? that's next. wewe
almost exactly five weeks ago, a ban on nearly all abortions went into effect in the state of texas. texas abortion providers have sued, you might remember, to prevent this unconstitutional law from going to. effect but a narrow majority of five supreme court justices, including all three trump justices said there is nothing i could do. they issued a five four ruling,
arguing they could not block the law because the law pioneered an entirely novel structure, in which the curtailment of the constitutional right an abortion was left entirely in the hands of the private citizens to enforce. an go, there was no one for the court to enjoin. but then biden administration stepped in, and they sued the state of texas, which one thing they can do parties cannot. the department of justice rule that the state resorted to an unprecedented scheme eventual and the justice of his designed to scare abortion provider, so far it's working. last night a federal judge blocked the texas abortion ban for now, they sided with the department of justice, in a strongly worded 100 page. ruling -- from the moment the law went into effect, women have been awfully prevented from exercising control over their lives in ways that are protected by this constitution. that other courts may find a way to avoid this conclusion is
there is to a side, this court will not sanction one more day of this offensive deprivation of such important right. nancy northam is in the senate and ceo -- and nonprofit law firm that has been leading the legal charge against abortion bans, including the state of texas. she joins me now. nancy, i have not read the entire under 13 pages at the decision. but i've read a big chunk of. it and i found myself saying, again, i'm not a lawyer not a. judge obviously yes, they tried to get away with it. basically the decision is, we see what you're doing. >> it is a beautiful decision by judge pittman, he makes very clear and those 100 plus pages that it is a blatantly unconstitutional law. it is a devious scheme that texas stand up, and that it can't just deputize other people to do its work and get away with it. so, it's very carefully reason, goes through every argument that the state of texas makes them rejects it.
and, is a very very wonderful victory after these five weeks, to get such a thought provoking, well reasoned, i thought hurrah the rule of law lives. >> so, on the ground, this room goldberg machine that they've set up, worked for five weeks, with the consent of five justices in the supreme court. this ruling was issued last night, and this is from hole women's health, we are providing a abortions in accordance with judge pinion is really not a compassion for a patients. sb8 left are patient with two choices, carry a pregnancy to term yes or will or travelers states receive care. there's been hers texans and now we can help them. is your understanding that the abortion providers that had not been providing abortions after six weeks, are now doing so in the state. >> yes, as you talked about, amy hice from miller this the president and ceo. talked about how their doors are open. they have seen patients past
six. weeks and it's not an easy feat, because we know texas has a 24 hour waiting requirement. so, they had to have consented these haitians earlier. and they're on her waiting list just in case this happened. >> so steve vlad is a law professor down in texas, and i think might be involved in some of the litigation. and he made his point that i think is really important. so we know this law is very deviously constructed, precisely to avoid, or give courts a reason against and joining. it there's another provision that is irrelevant here, in the interim it's not clear whether providers will resume offering services. one of the many novel provisions in sba provides it abortions perform well and preliminary injunction is in effect can still be a basis for liability if the injunction is later state and reversed. how is that possible illegal? >> i mean, it's not, it's another mechanism of this law that is seeking to achieve
unconstitutional ends. but, he's right that's with the law says. it says, if there is an injunction and you go ahead and perform abortions after six weeks, which are guaranteed by the constitution. and then that gets reversed. then you could be sued by countless number of people. but the very dedicated providers like hold women's health, are doing today, is exposing them to discuss potential reversal, and then these lawsuits could follow. so it's really, the chaos that this really devious law has put into effect in texas is just unconscionable. >> there's something that i've only really understood recently, and partly because of something melissa murray said under the strict security podcasts, which full disclosure my wife cohost. is that all of this crazy structure to get around an injunction, is all about basically shutting down the abortion providers as long as you know it can and be chasing them out of business.
to front load all this nonsense, to put in this liability, even at the injunction is reversed, the whole game of the law is get quartz to set to shutting it down, so these providers all just die off. is that the correct way of understanding this? >> i think it is, and unfortunately that's what happens more than six years ago and the whole women's health case that went all the way to the supreme court. there is a provision in that case which the supreme court declared unconstitutional and 2016, but it was too late. it has shut down almost half of its clinics in the state of texas. you can't just pop up again six years later, you don't have a facility, you don't have your staff. so it is the pernicious effect of this law, that it can have not only the impact it's having on people right now in the state of texas, but if they can drag this out long enough but some of these clinics cannot stay open. >> final question for you, does
seem to me, and this is a narrow procedural point we don't have to get into, but the department of justice being the party here, seems to solve some of the procedural issues that were present in the earlier case. are you more confident about that, enduring all the way up to the supreme court as we mentioned probably will? >> well, i am confident about that. i also am confident that the original lawsuit that so many coalition members and providers files, which is now actually sitting at the supreme court should also prevail. so it is a good thing that we now have multiple lawsuits that are now going against this very very unconstitutional, and unfair law. >> nancy northam, thank you so much. coming up, why the head of one of new york city's largest peoples unions had his home raided, and was stripped of his badge and gun. a federal investigation after this. plus, the news from pfizer that could mean a much safer and smoother school year. please, please, please, what you need to know just ahead.
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the news broke that edmund, the head of one of the largest police union in the country, had resigned. after his home in office were raided by the fbi. since then, things have not gotten any better for the now former president of the sergeant but then the association. the new york post posted today that high ranking law enforcement officials told the post the feds are investigating the possible misappropriation of union funds, and seeking evidence of mail and wire fraud. union officials told members one state that its funds are good, and it says it would not be providing mullins with legal representation. which is pretty extraordinary considering that and mullins was the face of that union, for nearly 20 years, and stuck it out, state in the job for controversies. like the qanon mug, that was positioned behind him for multiple tv interviews. and the tiny tweet the arrest record of the new york city mayor, daughter who was attending a protest.
the tiny called the city health commissioner of mitch, and the time that he called richie torres a first class for. again these weren't off the record things he tweeted those. or the tiny suggested cop should be allowed to sue the estate of people they shoot emotional damages, or the time he emailed a racist video to thousands of people and police sergeants, with a personal message and saying. pay close attention to every word you will hear what goes through the mind of real policeman every single day on the. john this is the best video i've ever seen telling public the absolute truth. >> what was in the video? well the narrator in the video that mullins tells people to listen to every word of, calls the absolute truth, says things like quote. the projects will always be dens of crimes and violence, the cops will continue to wade into that free and blacks will continue to attack an ambush us forever. >> moments later claimed that he hadn't seen the whole video, even though he wrote to listen
to every word. and quote >> i have black friends, white friends, asian friends -- i wouldn't want to insulting, one i don't think one incident defines who i am. >> it wasn't just that one incident. it was multiple incidents over decades as the leader of one of the largest police unions in the entire country. and mullins has not been stripped of his getting bad, put on modified duty, but he is still a sergeant in the nypd. doesn't have his gun but had been for the last 20 years, deputized by the city, to enforce his law, kill if necessary. >> how can we ask people to trust a system that gives a man like ed mullins so much power? just think, he'll be driving for real soon. every new chevy equinox comes standard with chevy safety assist,
potentially provide a knock elation to nearly 30 million additional americans, pfizer has asked the fda to authorize emergency use of its covid vaccine in children between the ages of five and 11. if approved, pfizer vaccine would be the first authorized covid vaccine for kids under 12. fda advisory committee will to
discuss approval with the decision to start sometime in november. pfizer says the shots replied and we must -- according to clinical trial. >> doctor, former acting director of the center of disease control, and he joins me. now this is not exactly unexpected, i know that we know the clinical trial has been happening. i have friends who have their kids into the clinical trial. what is your reaction to this in terms of the timing, does it seem about what you expected? >> yes, chris, i have to say i am excited, and i am working to temper that excitement. because it's so important that fda has the room to do their independent about tuition of the vaccine. and the moderna advisory committee has to look at that, and feel whether they should be authorized. then after that it goes to cdc, and cdc their advisory committee would make a recommendation as to whether they would recommend it for all children. a subset of children, or
what's. those are all critically important pieces in terms of ensuring that any vaccine that goes into a child, is safe and effective. and that will be key in terms of parents trusting that this is something that children should get. >> it's interesting, because when we are talking about this dream, and it's a really wide spectrum of views, we talk about the vaccination, we look at vaccination rates for folks over 70, five is very very high. for the entire country and it's basically 75% of adults have gotten one shot at this point. i think that there is a little more -- i've heard different things on kids. so there are people that say, i want to be the first parent at getting the shot, day one. and then there is, if you look at the polling, 34% said right away, 32 said wait and see, 7% said only if required, and 24% said definitely. not the way we see it, their people have worries about their kids. and it's new, and there's also the fact that on the whole,
this population isn't at the risk as other populations are. >> yes, i am not at all surprised by the polling. i have people who stop me all the time, i can't wait for my kid to get vaccinated, they're going to be first in line. this is fantastic. we can finally get together for the holidays. we can get together with family. and we are not going to have to worry about this. and then other parents are saying, there's no way. but the big group, i think -- i think some of those were in the definitely not are going to move into the wait and see. because when you start to see the relief that families experience by having the entire family vaccinated. that's gonna shift things. but i understand some of the hesitancy. this is a vaccine that in the trial, has not tested in the same kind of numbers that adult vaccines have been tested. they just had to show that children meet a robust community response, and the good news is that the kids did.
but even though it was with a third of the dose. they did not need as much material to make that response. and they have to show that they were not a significant side effect. but there are people who are going to want to say, i want to see what happens after is given to hundreds of thousands of kids, before uncomfortable. and as a pediatrician, i really want to meet parents where they are. so that there is room for everyone. it is really exciting for those who want to get it right away. and for others, they need to have some space. >> i actually think, again i'm not an avid immunologist, but i'm reporting on this a lot, the public health imperative of getting those numbers up enough to really press down community transmission, i feel like you are not going to have that same imperative to the 5 to 11 cohort. to the extent that it becomes available for parents who want to have it, hopefully it is going to be coming available in
the situation which adults vaccination has gotten to the point where we are pushing that that community transmission more broadly. >> yes i think that's true, i also think, that when i think about vaccinating kids, it is to protect those children. thankfully, children are lower risk for severe disease. but it's real, it is a real disease. more than 600 children have died from this. thousands of children have been hospitalized by this. and thousands of children have had developed extended symptoms from this. so it is real. so kids also play a role in keeping the adults around them safe. so thinking about teachers, food service workers, coaches, bus drivers. but you really want to ensure that those individuals are vaccinated, but not everyone who is vaccinated gets a robust response. some people with immune problems don't get a robust response. so having the kids around to be vaccinated, that provide protection to them. it provides protection to
grandparents, and people at home who may have medical conditions. >> and who just took in terms of those numbers that you were inciting, 30,000 children in the hospitalization in august, according to the american academy pediatrics, roughly nearly 9.5 million americans younger have died. the final point is there's also a cascade, there's not gonna fix here that i've talked to several folks and employers who are considering this back to work policy. who basically have said, we cannot bring people back to work until their kids can get vaccinated because it's not quite fair. you can tell someone come into this office, even if you're vaccinated, when you've gotten vaccinated kids at home. i think that's something that's hanging over a lot of these decisions about return to work, and stuff like. that >> it does factor in there, the more that we can do to protect children, the less stressed there is going to be on working parents. when these vaccines, and i do expect there will be vaccines for kids, when they are authorized, it is going to be
really important that we make sure that employers are giving their workers paid time off to get their kids vaccinated. so we don't see the same breakdown in terms of the hazard of hasn't has not, when it comes to kids vaccines. third people in the world, don't have any sick sleep, or personal leave. your kid vaccinated. we don't want people to have to make that choice. >> dr. besser, as always, great talk to you. thank you very much. that is all. the rachel ma dugh show starts right now. good evening, rachel. i'm going to give you credit right off the top. i hate to come in on your show, but that was the most compelling, trance fixing television i have seen about moles and mole removal in my life by far. i was watching it thinking, this woman is genuinely a genius. i can't take my eyes off this story. this is incredible. excellent job.