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people -- both of them are driving progressives up the wall. they're not getting what they want. they see this replay of 2009 and 2010, the whole obamacare happening. >> i think we'll see the headlines with their names on it. john, thank you, we appreciate it. thank you all of you for waking up way too early with us. have a wonderful weekend,
"morning joe" starts right now. good morning, welcome to "morning joe," it's a blessed friday, october 15th, with us this morning, we got msnbc's contributor mike barnicle and katty kay and jonathan lemire, joe and mika had the morning off. we want to start with breaking news. bill clinton is hospitalized with a non-covid related infection. spokesperson says clinton is in good spirit and thankful for doctors and nurses and staff providing him with excellent care. the former president is in intensive care as a precautionary measure and is original infection is diagnosed neurological but turned into a larger one. hillary clinton and her aid seen
leaving the hospital just after midnight. let's bring in dr. patel, our msnbc contributor. i know you don't have any firsthand knowledge of tl former president's case here. when you hear a neurological infection turning into a broader one in the bloodstream, what does it tell you? >> it tells you it could have been incredibly serious, which is why they want him to have close monitoring in an icu typesetting. blood infections, it could start as a urinary tract infection or prostate infection, all common for older men presenting with some symptoms of pain when you urinate. but, for president's case, this is someone having a medical of
conditions and putting him with infections. this is similar to what we see in covid in many cases and only with aggressive fluids through the iv and antibiotics and through an iv. can you really attack this. sounds like his physician's statement and the reporting though as you mentioned he's really in the icu today and now as a precaution. they're seeing a lot of his blood indicators improving the last couple days and indicate he could be release soon or at least outside of the hospital. >> we obviously are not looking at his charts. if you look at the clues, doctor was saying he was in the icu for his privacy more than anything else. he's up and walking around. from those details, what can you see? >> absolutely. great news. many of these cases especially
when these genital infections kind of overwhelm the system and get into the entire body, it can be touch and go. i had patients of my own presents in an office setsing setting and we need to get them in a hospital setting clearly because things can change. they're all great signs and means that even not looking at his chart, this is good news and thankfully for the president is recovery face. >> dr. kavita patel, thank you so much for your expertise. joining us now in orange, california, steve patterson, good morning. >> reporter: willie, good
morning. all of them saying they hope the former president will be released on the fact that he's been here for several days and he's been on ta iv drip of antibiotics that he's up and recovering and lucid and communicative and walking around and talking to doctors. he's very appreciaive of the care he's gotten. the concern here is a lack of a better phrase, the former president has had a bad heart in 2004 where he had a by pass surgery and in 2010, he had a stint installed inside of him. there is some worries if that does affect the blood that this made for issues he had in the past. with the white blood cell counts
down, we heard that from doctors, he's up and moving and the fact they expect him coming home soon based on the information they are so far. all good signs so far. it's early, he still may be in the hospital. all of those so far at least good signs are showing he's not in any immediate danger right now. >> the president was in california for an event, he was feeling fatigue and admitted to the hospital on tuesday. as you say signs are pointing in the right direction. we hope it continues for it is former president and secretary clinton. the house committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol. it will move to hold steve bannon in criminal contempt for not complying the subpoena. they'll meet on tuesday. the select committee will use
every tool at its disposal. witnesses who try to stonewall this committee will not succeed. the congressman says no one is off limits to a subpoena including former president trump. the select committee says it's delaying deposition for patel and meadows and scavino. jonathan lemire, steve bannon is central to this investigation, forcing him to come in and give his deposition or go to jail. the big question that looms out there obviously is former president trump talked about what happened on january 6th, what are you hearing whether the committee may call former president trump to give a
deposition? >> the people i talked to involved with the committee saying the decision has not yet been made. although to be fair, mark meadows and kash patel have been preliminary cooperative, bannon has not. he's literally armed with a list of questions printed out by the white house and says i will answer these. most of the questions were answered in one words. he's someone despite having a famous falling out with the former president a few years ago. his return into trump's orbit was a essential figure of events around january 6th. he and the president are still talking. if he were convicted, it would be a thousand dollars fine and a
year in jail. it's still would not force him to testify. they may not the get the material they want. we'll see in the days ahead as to what happens with bannon and the trump questions loom further. trump would say no and that would set off a political fire storm and you can imagine you can hear republicans crying foul trying to bring a former president in front of congress like this. >> mike barnicle , bannon can spend a year in jail and still do not have to testify. speeds would have to go into this. the further we get away from january 6th, the less incline people are to really push this and they can't drag this out forever and ever if they keep the country behind them in terms of trying to be tough
defendants. >> there are multiple frustrations in this case. bannon can be forced to appear before the committee but he can't be forced to give information and be forced to testify if he does not want to testify. the second frustration is steve bannon is an actor. he's looking this playing out making him a victim and hero at the same time. to make him a victim and play it out. he knows how to do it. he's skilled at doing it. the democrats for now, a couple of years two or three years, the power of the trump people and trump himself managed to do to twist and turn public opinion in their favor. it's an extraordinary frustrated moments in history because of
the danger it posed in this country to the way we live and govern. here we are. >> let's add to the conversation, eugene daniels and former u.s. attorney from the northern district of alabama, joyce vance, let me begin with you, joyce with all the questions. is the select committee handling this right by saying steve bannon, we'll put you in jail if you don't come testify. is that the right direction to go or is that a good signal to send to other witnesses. >> dong has a limited hands to play here. one of the things we have learned when you have leaders who are breaking the systems and not abiding by its norms they can do a lot of damage. here congress is playing the part it has as best as it can.
its got two options. one would be going to court and pursue a civil contempt. we saw how that played out with don mcgahn. this mechanism is imperfect but it may be the best option here. what it requires for congress to send a referral to the u.s. attorney's office in the district of columbia. that u.s. attorney will make a charging decision about whether to bring criminal contempt charges. it's a strong signal to people who are respectful of the rule of law in this country. there is an interesting provision, there is a 30-day mandatory minimum. the minimum a judge could impose upon conviction is 30 days. this would send a strong signal.
it's important to know the calculus. they have to make certain that they have efficient ed to sustain a conviction. that's likely here. they also consider additionally whether the national interests to serve by bringing a prosecution. we know this department of justice has been very careful to not upset the balance, they don't want to be the match that lights the powder keg in a difficult fragile moment in our country's history. if they don't go ahead and help congress enforce its subpoenas, the ability of congress to maintain its status as a coequal third branch is devastated. doj will need to enforce the subpoena if congress asked them to do so. >> hey, eugene, it's jonathan, it's nice to talk to you again.
there are politics involved here. walk us through how you see this if the committee go down the route could end up with bannon in jail. you can imagine crying about the witch hunt and you can imagine this for further divides on capitol hill and eat up a lot on the hill as democrats are trying to get through the agenda and not to mention the debt ceiling and the government going out of money in a couple of months. >> none of this stuff happens in a vacuum. i heard witch hunt for a long time but that may roll around as this play out. hallmark of president trump and steve bannon is feeling like a victim and talking about how the deep states or the liberal media or whomever is coming after me and so that means they are
coming after you next. that's something we can expect bannon to play, if and when he speaks about it publicly and talk about that. that's something he has done before and likely to do again. it's a go to for him and a lot of other folks. when you talk about getting republicans on board to do anything with democrats as they are doing investigations like this. it's already so difficult, they're already having to use reconciliation process to do things on their own and republicans have made it clear they're not going to help with debt ceiling and other things. democrats have to make a decision okay, are we going to, you know, put a show that looks like a bipartisan congress or are we going to get things done. that's something advocates and activists want to see happen. democrats just move forward and kind of keeping the binders on. democrats haves to keep in mind what it looks like because it's
likely they won't have the house or the senators when all things are said and done next november. based on what we know about history. there are a lot of calculations going on about how exactly they're looking to proceed with this and how it impacts everything else. they are determined and they say this over and over again to find the truth and find out what happened. they do see it often and often they say bigger than politics of this dark days in our democracy should be something that democrats and independence all cared about and want to get to the bottom of this. >> joyce, i want to get you in on another story that broke late last night, the circuit court of
appeals broke that restricted abortion law will remain in effect. doj can now appeal the ruling to the u.s. supreme court. twists and turns around this law and legal rulings around it. where does this head next? what does it look like the fate of this abortion law? >> well, doj will continue to fight this battle, perhaps going to the supreme court. it's interesting to note that the fifth circuit panel was not unanimous. they split 2-1 along the political line which is a concept that i hate discussing. the political split is notable. this runs contrary to jurisprudence on preliminary injunction. this is procedural motion. should texas' sb-8 go into
effect. the federal courts live on traditions, the president here says that you don't put a statute in place when it would be unconstitutional. right now roe v. wade is the law of the land in this country at least until the supreme court looks at it this term in the mississippi case. jurisprudence says texas' sb-8 should be blocked going into effect while it's being tested in the court. the fifth circuit is chosen to revert the district judge and remaining in effects while judicial proceedings go this way. it's unusual. it feels like there is a second jurisprudence for the fifth circuit right now. >> u.s. attorney joyce vance, thank you so much for your expertise. we appreciate it. let's turn to mike and john,
last night's incredible game fife of the national division series between the dodgers and the giants. they had the two best records in baseball, separated by only one game and it all came down to one swing or maybe it was not a swing last night. let's pick up things from the tap of the 9th inning. >> they're expecting bellinger on the ground. >> runs to third! cody bellinger delivers in the clock. there is the top of the 9th. cody bellinger delivering a huge hit for the dodgers, breaking a 1-1 tie with the giants. look at this, the dodgers turned to a starting pitcher, matt scherzer as their closer, after giving up a single here.
here is the controversy around how the game ended. >> no ball, two strikes. flores, there you go. he did and the game ends. a swinging strike three. >> oh. >> gabe morales swings them up. the game is over. the los angeles dodgers are headed to the national league championship series. >> so did flores go or did he not go. the first umpire says he did end the game and send the dodgers to the nls. that was scherzer. the final out coming on the controversial strike, disputed check swing, the players are not reviewable. the dodgers meant to play the
braves of the best of seven. if mike is looking a little leery because he was up until 1:00 last night watching the end of that game. did he go? >> he did not go. the replay we just looked at, the bat did not break. both announces, brian anderson, good baseball announced the play by play. they're both on air indicated that he did not check his swing and he should not have been called out. it's a terrible way for the giants to lose that game. it's a terrible way for baseball to end the season with both games coming in with 109 wins and it's non reviewable. >> we should point out the tieing run was on first base. jonathan lemire, those are tough calls always. now that i see here it was not that close. looks like he held up. >> it's clear he held up.
to echo what mike says, to end a game and playoffs series and the giants' season, they played 109 games. this is an epic five-game series. this comes at a moment of increase scrutiny on umpire. this may not be reviewable. i -- maybe as check swing could be reviewed. i am sure mlb will ask it in the coming days. kudos to the dodgers, they're an excellent team. they're the favorite against the bravers, starting that series tomorrow night. we got america's team, the boston red sox squaring off the astros. >> that's a brutal way.
the giants had such a great season, great ballpark and fans. mike, i suspect you will be staying into watch the red sox game. you guys have tried to paint the red sox despite their massive payroll and they have been a dynasty the last few years, how are you feeling going into it? >> i feel pretty good going into it. you think it's the little engines coming uphill and chugging along all along and alex core, no big stars. the team is very focused. houston suffered a grievance lost to listens mccaulogh. chris sails got his problems straighten out. he'll be on the hill tonight. i am looking forward to a good
series and looking for boston to come back to the series. at least one game to one. >> they're a team that had the fourth worst record in baseball. our whole season was that one game playoffs against the yankees. they won that. they were the under dog and certainly against the astros. they are. they were against the race, too. they won that series. now they're in the final four, why not? are you there? you see what happens. sails he's been terrible in his last two outings. if you need to throw a lot of reliever arms after him. i think it's old pence staffing issues. all jokes aside, they're taking a blow there. the pitching staff, that lineup
is deep. perhaps the little engine there at the top of the stadium wall will be a nice image. >> remember i was rooting for you guys. >> katty, while we have been talking, katty has been reviewing image, she's been talking to the people in mlb. what can you tell us? >> i was viewing my daughter's debate results last night. >> she won. >> hey! >> she just got to boarding school in the u.k. so it was a big deal for her. not that is near as exciting. i realized whatever you have been saying the last five minutes. >> did you forget i was even hear? you didn't even bother to introduce me or try to include
me in the conversation. >> well, you had your -- you were buried in debate results. >> i was ready with that swing which by the way they were wrong. that was not what whatever it was. >> okay. that's the conclusive opinion. that's a definitive valuation from katty kay, the giants should have been to on their way. still ahead, moderna gets one step closer to receiving clearance from the fda for its booster shot. plus, more than 100,000 in place are threatening to go on strike. what it could mean for the current labor shortage. senator tim kaine is joining us just ahead. a busy friday morning on "morning joe" is coming right back. "morning joe" is coming right back
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♪♪ i want to invite kim from chesapeake, she's carrying an american flag that was carried at the peaceful rally with donald trump on january 6th. >> so is it this one? >> donald trump on january 6th. >> or is it this one, the flag that was desecrated when it was used to beat cops? no, we pledge allegiance to the flag of patriots and not the flag of traitors. >> that's a political ad from the organization showing an incident from a rally in support of virginia republican gubernatorial glenn youngkin.
attendees pledge allegiance to a flag that was present at the january 6th attack on united states capitol. youngkin was fined yesterday. >> if that was the case, we should not pledge allegiance to that flag. there is no place for violence, none in america today. >> youngkin condemned people in the rally calling it weird and wrong to pledge allegiance connected to january 6th. joining us now is senator tim kaine. thank you for being with us this morning. >> that rally was not attended by youngkin. president trump was called into that rally where they stood in place pledging allegiance to the flag. what's the impact on the race
here? >> well, willie, look, if you promote the big lie then you are responsible for the consequences of the big lie. glenn youngkin spent his entire campaign telling elections are the biggest issues and we need to audit elections and questioning the results of november 2020. when he gets caught on it, he back pedals as he did yesterday. the rally was proinsurrection folks that oh, i didn't know about it. willie, this is personal. on january 6th, the governor of virginia ordered state troopers and virginia national guards come protect the union against an insurrection. democratic governor ralph northam did it. when all of these insurrection
ist holding for youngkin. is he going to try to stop it? this is a grave issue that virginia yans are worried about it now. >> they have that symbol held up and people give the pledge of allegiance to it is repulsive. let me ask you about the race. we take a little step back from this specific issue and ask you why it's so close. we had governor mcauliffe on "morning joe," he's a relatively popular figure. why does youngkin have wild views on things and dangerous views as we talk about elections. why is it so close? >> willie, i know this pretty well because i was governor from
2006 to 2010, i was in an extremely close race until the end. presidential years, we had huge turn out and we had a governor's race next year, and turnout tends to drop in the 40s. it creates challenges for democrats because we usually want bigger turnout. i happen to think a saving grace this year is this. this will be the first governor's race where virginians are willing to vote for 45 days. that's never apart of any governor's race at all. terry mcauliffe really understands how to maximize the convenience of early votes.
the return of early voters are very strong for terry. anybody watching this who's a virginia voter or knows one, knows time to be complacent. we got to do everything we can. >> mcauliffe had a little bit of a lead in some polls. eugene daniels is with us and has a question for you. >> senator tim kaine, it's good to see you. seemingly to give democrats an upper hand in something to run on. i am curious of your take on on that. do you see the president should pass in the house? >> um, eugene, mark and i have
been making this point to our colleagues that we have also been saying to our democratic colleagues, don't stonewall on making a deal on this reconciliation bill. we know what we need to know, let's go ahead and do it. a couple of my senate colleagues are sort of delaying final decisions on that. so what i hope, we are back in washington next week. i hope that the democratic senate will come together and say look, we'll support a reconciliation go a a particular level and with particular programs. if we can say that, that'll give the house all the confidence they need and to put that bill on joe biden's desk. the house should do it but i am encouraging my senate colleagues, let's go ahead and cut the deal here. we are going to do thi. if we are going to do this, let's do it sooner than later.
>> senaor tim kaine, we are a few days the country defaulted on its debt. it was not kicked all that far. it will be december. we heard from mcconnell saying hey, we cooperated this time to get it done. we'll not help you at all. a, let's get your take on for that? if it holds, what are you guys going to do? december is not far away? >> you are right, jonathan. it's outrageous that the republicans won't coverer the debts they wrapped up. these debt incur during the trump administration. republicans should do the same here. if they're going to advocate on
their responsibilities, democrats are going to make sure we don't default. the validity of the united states shall not be questioned. if republicans won't help, we'll do it on our own. we can do it through reconciliation and we can do it on adjusted rules and we call on republicans to help. democrats are going to govern this country even if republicans refused to act in a responsible way. >> senator, i want to ask you one more question of the virginia race that may have implications for other races coming up around the country. the cbs poll shows that trump is a factor from mcauliffe voters for youngkin voters. could that help democrats this time around because they have
more antitrump enthusiasm and drive on their side more likely to turn out to cast an state t elected and continue to elect republicans but not people like donald trump. virginia saw him as a bigoted and antiscience bully from the get-go. virginia don't like to see him when he comes into the race and wants youngkin to win. this is a kind of thing that makes virginia shocked. yes, it's a unifier and motivator for virginia
democrats. what's the one thing that unifies every democrat in this country from joe manchin to bernie sanders. donald trump creates huge cross winds, that's why youngkin has to be two or three people that wants to apiece and encourage the trump voters then trying to distance themselves. we have to say different things the different audiences and the trump factor even after the trump's presidency will continue to be a big motivators for virginians. >> senator, different talk here, china, the authorization for use of military force. where do we stand on that? >> well, michael, we are going to get a floor vote between now and year end to do the first thing we need to do which is repeal authorization for both
iraq wars. now that we are not engaged in combat operations, we are working with the white house in a bipartisan way to narrow down the 2001 authorization allowing activities. there are no current authorizations, none that would authorize a president to engage in a war against china or taiwan, anywhere in the specific without coming to congress first. the good news is joe biden having been chair of senate foreign relations committee, he wants to be a full article president but he does not fear the article one. he welcomes it. china is very tough, they are edgey towards taiwan. if i worry that china will continue to do that. they could decide to move
forward. kind of not wanting to be in a shooting wa r with the united states but you have to manage the risk of misunderstanding and miscommunications. the president's recent discussions with chinese leaders and others is not turning adversaries into friends but reducing the risk of misunderstanding and leading us down a path we don't want to go. >> senator tim kaine covering a lot of grounds for us. always great to talk to you. thank you for being was. there is another important race taking place right now in the state of virginia. that one is for the lieutenant governor's office. but, first, we'll take in with dr. emanuel. we'll be right back with "morning joe." emanuel. we'll be right back with "morning joe." helen knew exercise could help her diabetes... but she didn't know what was right for her. no.
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a beautiful shot from chopper 4. 6:47 this morning. emergency use authorization of a booster dose of moderna covid-19 vaccine voted yesterday. the cdc is set to give its approval. miguel almaguer has more. >> reporter: moving major step through authorizations. some americans fully vaccinated with moderna should get its booster. the unanimous recommendation is not yet green yet applied to those 65 or older. >> i think we all expected a third shot is going to be
prescribed because of high-risk. >> reporter: moderna argued the fda should authorize its boosters for recipients for at least six months after their second dose. the fda notes even without a booster, vaccines still afford protection against severe diseases and deaths in the united states. >> it efficacy against hospitalizations remain high so why the need for boosters? >> the vaccine is still working for the vast majority of americans keeping people out of the hospital, keeping people from being infected. they're not an urgent need of a booster. >> reporter: with nearly 70 million americans vaccinated with moderna, those who qualified join the same group of pfizer's recipient who can also get a booster. with moderna's original doses,
its third shot will be a half dose. the data are not perfect but these are extraordinary times. the president making the sell for boosters. >> these boosters are free, available and convenient to get. >> reporter: as johnson & johnson case for a booster comes up millions vaks natsed with moderna. the extra dose of protection may be a shot away. >> miguel almaguer is reporting for us there. >> dr. emanuel, it's great to see you. let's talk about this booster shot. as you hear this news about moderna with pfizer booster being approved of emergency use authorization and the white
house is recommending booster shots for certain groups, people who are immunocompromised and over the age of 65. who do you believe should get the booster shots? >> there are people over 65, waning immunity in which is predominantly found in men. those reason important groups. we should be clear about two things. first, the boosters did not do much to bring the delta number of cases down. and some of the deaths down. and as the president has said repeatedly it's the unvaccinated that will have caused a large increase in delta. we see it in the states. boosters did not change the dynamic. the second thing is the fda panel is looking at a small set of data while they did approve unanimously the boosters, they were looking at less than 200
people that got the boosters, not a big robust data set. they did increase the number of antibodies, but you know whether you need it, moderna has not been waning immunity very much. i think this is a situation where they felt compelled to approve it because they pfizer e over 65 who needed it. it's not impact on the pandemic in the united states. the world on the other hand does need a lot of vaccines and latin america in particular is in the bad situation. and so i think that we have a trade off here. >> and there is been quite a lot of pressure on moderna in particular. the president has been talking about supply chains break down. part of the reasons because you got other countries who have not been vaccinated so they can't be
manning the ships and tankers in the way we need them to. what would work in terms of pressure on these companies and release more vaccines. >> americans have to realize their own well-being is linked to other country getting vaccines, too, and not just booster shots here. >> you are 100% right. this is a worldwide pandemic. delta came to the united states, it did not originate here. if we want to get the world back, we have to vaccinate the whole world. and that's especially true in places that are critical for trade, travel and other reasons. and the united states' problem here is not getting third doses to people who have already been vaccinated. it's really getting the 70 plus million people who have not been vaccinated to get that and i
have to say i get a little worried as we are going into holiday seasons. we'll have millions of people unvaccinated getting on airplanes. that's a worrisome. it's the unvaccinated that needs to be attended to, not justing a booster shot for all that many americans. there are shots but it's not big group. >> dr. emanuel, good morning, it's jonathan lemire. it's great to see you again. >> you started to go where i asked you, as a nation right now, the global concerns are real and valid. where do we start with the pandemic. last winter, prevaccine was very stuff from much of the country. you mentioned holiday travel. political weather leads to
viruses like this spreading more easily and flu season, too. >> cases are going down. give us where we are and where we are going? >> i think at this very moment, we are on the downward side of the delta curve. we should be clear. we all talk about going inside and exchanging viruses. >> i do have to say getting 70 million people vaccinated, still got to be priority number one. i think the president has clearly emphasized that and trying to get rid of all of the misinformation out there. getting the mandate in place with more and more people. i am a little surprised the administration have not pushed the mandate air travel. that would get a lot more people vaccinated or who are on defense. there is a small group that
don't want vaccination but a large group will find it inconvenience and find their risk not high enough. those are the people have to be targeted. i think mandating vaccines for air travel would help with that. and as i said, the risk is possibility of a surge because of the holidays, we are going to travel and we'll let our guard down with families. this is going to be the first thanksgiving in a while when people can really see each other and family. i worry about that. >> taking thes masks off with this delta variant still visible. maybe because they have children or have not gotten the vaccine. that's a worrisome situation. >> we hope vaccines for young children will help a little bit, too. >> i want to ask you about your
politico's pieces. >> dr. emanuel who needs certain drugs but they are not covered by insurance. how do we do it in this country? we are the most innovated places in the world. how do you say about these two things coexist, innovations and oil prices. >> we have a robust industry here. we want to keep this. i am an oncologist. we want innovations but we can't have these prices $800,000 a
year. people can't afford that. if we bring the prices down, the drug company has enormous amount of profits that they can profit. it's profitable in the streets. we have 25% profit margins, more than any other industry. the congressional budget office did a study. if we cut back that reduces the reserve new 10%, how much is that going to affect innovations? >> in 2030, 23 drugs out of 200 drugs. we are not talking about a lot of reduction in the number of drugs approved by the fda. that should encourage people
that we can't have both, lower prices and a lot of innovations. they have to continue to innovate. >> you can read dr. emanuel piece on this. thank you so much, it's good to see you. he's the author of the book, "which countries has the best healthcare." still ahead, a local reporter skateboarding during his live stand-up. edie suspicion falco has tackled some of her challenges for training bill clinton. we'll be back in one minute. l b. ♪darling, i, i can't get enough of your love babe♪ ♪girl, i don't know, i don't know,♪ ♪i don't know why i can't get enough of your love babe♪
circus." mr. john, and also with us, amy walter and eugene robinson. good morning to you all. former bill clinton has been hospitalized with a non-covid related infection. clinton is in good spirit and thankful to doctors and nurses and staff providing him with excellent care. a course close to clinton tells nbc news the former president is in intensive care just as a precautionary measure. and his original infection was diagnosed as neurological but grew in and gone into her bloodstream. president biden and her aide were seen leaving the hospital.
we are getting good news that he was up and walking around. we'll keep a close eye on this. the house committee investigating the january 6th attack at the capitol will hold steve bannon in criminal contempt for not complying with its subpoena. betty thompson says the panel will meet on tuesday. the select committee will use every tool at its disposal. the congressman says nobody is off limits to a subpoena from the committee including former president trump. now, john, the deadline this week. myself and others have been adamant saying the committee has to be tough. one of the things i know some of
the people we were concerned about if you went that far. >> townhouse and capitol hill hill and i had to drag him. that's going to set a dangerous precedent for the future. >> we need to get answers to how this attack on the capitol took place and why it took place and what we need do to protect the country going forward. what was the president's role? before and during and after the in insurrection? do we need to use every tool? the answer is yes. >> republicans will use it against democrats and administration? >> i worry for the country's future if someone as unethical as kevin mccarthy. at the end of the day if someone that's unscrupulous is running the gop and the house of representatives, he'll do everything that donald trump tells him.
white nationalist groups, the public is going to find out. we'll make sure they know. >> that'll air in full this weekend on the circus on show time. as you talked to congressman schiff there sits on the house select committee, what was your sense of how he's approaching this? >> we talked to him earlier this week and congresswoman murphy. they are grappling as we saw a bit with this question of do you want to see and putting bannon in jail. you got to get these people into tell their sides on the story to get them on the record. >> there are a lot of factors here. the first is the committee is under a lot of pressure to be tough and to go and the criminal referrals at this point, the toughest kind of question they face. are we going to go to the justice department and going after people resisting the subpoena ls.
can we make an example of steve bannon? it seems like the tough approach is yielding dividends against those people who are now negotiating with the committee and having been told to donald trump don't testify. they're going to make a deal coming to testify. the committee is encouraged by that. there is no doubt people had some palpable fear. >> against democrats and against the bidens. they'll do whatever they do. if we decide not to enforce subpoenas, they'll still do that to hunter biden. it's important to get to the bottom of all this that we must go all the way.
whether the committee is moving fast enough right now. in every interview the committee does yields more people needs to be subpoenaed. are they going to enforce the subpoena in the same way. are they getting it done fast enough that you could get the results of this thing locked down by a time where it would matter before next voting so people can have an assessment of what the president's culpability was. >> here is around important matter for history and next november. i know the committee is moving as fast as they can. some people were rooting for the committee are worried the pace is just too slow. >> speaking to republican senators, former president trump presented himself as the only
way at the party. >> former president described himself as the hero of the gop. he railed against republicans who had spoken negatively about him, naming senator mit romney and ben sass. urged the party to stick together with trump. he went onto praise republican controlled states that passed new voting laws. look at texas and a lot of states, we are all abused in the last two elections. and you also have nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, the former president called them maniacs. james, this is classic trump. i guess the question is you know
we see some polls suggesting a majority of republicans liked trump but they don't want to see him as a candidate. the more he gets out and quoted like this, the more he's seen doing these kinds of events. can he change that dynamic and bring himself back as one person they do want to see as their leaders in the last election? >> it's interesting to watch to see how republicans and candidates are establishing their own campaigns and yes, in the primary campaigns, donald trump is still the center piece. but, we have seen a couple of candidates have not gotten trump's endorsement. they were not endorsed by him. so he's not a king maker who's undefeated. the other thing is, midterm
elections are about the person, the party that's empowered. and where republicans focusing on their attention right now is on that. >> this is now much more of an anty biden and anti looking backward. we have to defend what happens to the former president. there is enough momentum right now we are not going to be biden. to get republicans to be successful. so i don't know if you are going to see a lot of republicans running in a general election with this idea we are here carrying the flag for donald trump and that's probably not a great strategy. they -- >> the sitting president does not have that sort of momentum that democrats need. >> jean robinson, today's post
story about the meeting we have been talking about here. is it just one more example of how twisted one political party, the republican party has become in america? and, the other aspect of it is, is the congressional investigation into january 6th, what do you think of the theory that steve bannon would love to be brought into congress in handcuffs and have his pictures taken and people talking about him. he wants to be prosecuted and that he wants to be convicted and the bottom line of the house investigations is despite all of the talks from the chairman and all their supposed hard work even though they take you know two weeks off after one week of work. after all of the talk and all of the actions, no one would have to testify. they can be brought into sit in front of the committee. they don't have to testify. they can just shut up. where are we on all this?
well. zo that's what they're going with. that aside, the committee, that's a whole different story. i, you know, i think they should put other businesses aside and breaks aside. i would love to see the committee meeting publicly, more frequently all the time, pushing this ahead because of the urgency of this investigation has to be done. does steve bannon wants to be seen as some sort of martyr? whether he does or not that's his wish. the committee has to have some ability to enforce its subpoenas and of course immunity can also be granted to witnesses so they have to testify but we are not
at that point yet. i say you would have to drag them in. >> we had some members of the committee floating the idea they may subpoena former president trump himself. you can imagine what a spectacle it would be. >> john helman, we have gone long enough not yet talking about the swing that was not in san francisco last night. put your partisanship to the side, tell me did wilma flores go? >> it's ridiculous that the dodgers benefited from this. it was striking to hear, you hear sports announcers who jumped on a call that quick. it was a bad call practically in realtime then they play the replay and there was clearly bad. i don't know if that's a joint
call or a bad call or if that's somehow an umpire who knows how great matt scherzer is. we see whether it's basketball or football or baseball where the superstars get calls that are leaners. that looks like a blown call to me. the people of bellaire is happy. you know how it goes in this game. you lose some games because of bad calls and you win some games because you got lucky. two great teams but they got lucky on this one. >> yeah, exactly, who knows what would have happened next. michael, what a way to end day one of the season. a long battle between these two teams. two best records in baseball. they finished a game apart in each other. they combined for a regular season of 213 wins or something
like that and to have it end like that. >> it's brutal but it's like any major league sports, any sports going up. the umpire is human beings, we all make mistakes. umpire made a mistake. i was thinking about the great american jim joyce who missed a call at first base and caused a pitcher a perfect game. this was several years ago. we make mistakes, we all make mistakes. that was a bad one last night. >> well, the dodgers either way is moving on from john hellman, moving onto play the braves now. still ahead, we'll turn back to politics and we'll speak to the democratic nominee in the race to become virginia's next lieutenant governor. plus, pennsylvania attorney general, josh shapiro announcing his bid for governor this week. we'll talk to him when "morning joe" coming right back. "mornin joe" coming right back
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welcome back to "morning joe," live picture at the white house, it's 7:20 in the morning in washington. democrats are trying to hold on power in the virginia governor race. both campaigns turned their attention to early voting, vaughan hilliard has more. >> folks, how are we doing today? >> reporter: an inside look at the first major election in the joe biden era. >> the hotly contested race for virginia governors with republicans looking to take on democrats and terry mcauliffe. >> if you do not win this race, is that an indictment for the
democratic party then? >> well, i think if we don't win t first of all, we are going to win the race. >> reporter: mcauliffe, a long time friends of the clintons. >> i am going to fight as hard as we can. >> this is 2021. what happens here? if the republicans upset mcauliffe, there could be a barometer of the races to come. >> because on paper it's a long road for the gop, four years ago, the democrats ran for governor here, won by nine points. joe biden beat donald trump in virginia by 10 points. is that high democratic energy holds? >> there is something absolutely amazing going on across the commonwealth of virginia. the gop relying on its own enthusiasm. our leadership believers that government knows best before your children. >> i believe in the exact opposite. >> reporter: the private equity
ceo is in a tough spot. he needs strong turn-out from the trump's loyalists and where trump by 20% last year. >> do you mind if we ask you a few questions? >> republicans must bind a way to bring back thousands of suburban voters where there is a 40-point voters. >> they're not going to care about ideology. they'll care about -- >> virginia may face consequences of their party's challenges in washington. >> rising inflation, and migrant crisis, installing efforts passing the record. >> listen, i would like that trillion dollars infrastructure bill. that's crystal clear. get in a room, negotiate. get both of these bills passed, we need it for america.
>> the state has shown resistance to d.c. in the past. >> reporter: virginia voters selected the candidate from the party opposite of the party that's in the white house. >> you set up this race as a referendum on. >> i think who wins will be the division going forward. >> for democrats, a he's to hold on power and that position. >> vaughan hillyard, thank you very much. amy walter, you have been watching this race closely, the polls are very tight. most of them had mcauliffe with a slight advantage. what are the issues at the center of this race right now? >> you can see from vaughan's piece, mcauliffe, democrats are
interested in this race. making it a referendum on donald trump is the right politics in terms of where the states hit. glenn youngkin knows the numbers are challenging for him. so he'll need to localize. he's talking a lot about schools and parents, trying to make it less about those national issues that mcauliffe has talked about and focus on the ground issues like people in the state. terry mcauliffe's theory was joe biden would be in a better place at this point in 2021 than he is right now. nationalizing the race at normal time would be good. he would have the energy of a democratic base, you don't like republicans and certainly didn't like donald trump, that would be successful. right now it's joe biden who's in the white house. the energy behind energy is not there and so the focus that
youngkin has on local issues is the smart ones. he's staying away from donald trump, he's staying away from talks about what's going on in washington, d.c. you don't have to think about party labels. just think about local issues. that's what it's going to come down for virginia voters. do they see that they want to send a message to washington, to joe biden? do they want to send a message much more of that, i want you governor, who ever you are to focus much more on what's going on here and spend less time talking about this sort of national issues. >> i want to give you an idea of how close things are. terry mcauliffe announced in our show former barack obama will come into the state to campaign with mcauliffe. virginia will also vote for lieutenant governor this fall.
joining us now, a member of the virginia house of delegates. it's great to have you on the show. met me ask you about your race. what's the issues as you walk around state, what are the issues that's going decide your race? >> well, thank you for having me this morning. the issue that's going to decide this race are what's happening in virginia and the progresses we made are all in the ballots. our voting rights, democracy essentially and medicaid expansion and teacher pay races all around the ballot this november 2nd. >> so there is been a couple of contentious issues in this debate. your opponent refused to say whether she's being vaccinated. she also said if she were elected, she will push virginia go the way of texas with
abortion law that it passed recently. when it comes to suburban women voters and i am thinking of arlington, alexander is across the river from where i am. how do her position played there? do you see that's some where where you ought to as a democratic candidate who does not have that those positions to make substantial gains? >> make no mistakes. she does want to turn texas into virginia. choices on the ballot this november 2nd, i am a firewall for individuals and their rights to choose. i will continue to to be that champion. when you talk about vaccination, i am vaccinated. i want to lead by examples. how else for others to follow if you don't. it's important we as elected officials running for the second highest office in the
commonwealth. we must do our part to be leaders. we are not past this pandemic. although we are fairing better in other states. it's unincumbent on us to be leaders and get vaccinated. i hope once she hears this message today, she does get vaccinated. >> you heard amy walter talking about the extent of this race would not be nationalized and you saw terry mcauliffe make a big issue of steve bannon and donald trump and insurrectionist flags and that rally where people pledge allegiance of the flag, it was there. >> i am curious whether an issue like that, terry says it was a game changer, as you know, offense, gubernatorial
candidates rise and fall together. is that an issue that resonates in the lieutenant governor's race and something you will be talking in and about the closing days o the campaign? >> what he did yesterday was talking about the republican ticket. look, we faced and we are in a pandemic. it's incumbent for us to fight during this pandemic. >> they're on the ballot november 2nd. youngkin, they want to bring trump's policies back to virginia. we rejected them not only once but twice. he'll do it again on november 2nd. >> this is jean robinson. i am curious as you look at the state, where you do see democrats strongest in northern virginia? where is this race going to be decided? what is the status of this race in other popular regions like the new port news and hamilton
area and the richmond area where i suspect it may be a little bit closer than democrats. >> well, what i am hearing jean is that voters are enthusiastic of democrats and the policies we deliver on and every prospect of the commonwealth. we raise teacher pay. we fought for individuals to protect their individual rights to choose. if you look at our states senate, this is also in the ballot. we are 2020 tied when it comes to the issues. abortion and labor and all of this. look, virginia, as i am criss -crossing on the state. they need to show up in the polls november 2nd. >> there are many issues in your
race no doubt. i want to talk to you about one that's sort of a national issue. i don't know whether you can do anything about it. >> it's inflation. there are three topics under the topic of inflation that i think a lot of people live with each and everyday and in terms of sending message, it may drive them to send a message at the ballot box. those three issues are a result of bread, milk and gas. what are you hearing? >> well, what we are hearing from voters is about what's at stake this november 2nd. we have made so many progresses in the democratic majority, note that we are taking control of that chamber for two years where republicans have had criminal over for a decade. they made no progress, democrats continue to deliver and on the campaign trail, what i am hearing from voters is they want to protect all of these measures and games.
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as governor, i will stay in the game no matter what and together we'll build a future who can all believe it. >> that's attorney general josh shapiro launching his bid for governor earlier this week. "democracy is in the ballot for 2022." thank you so much for being with us. >> they saw you around 2020 elections in many ways standing in a brief of pennsylvania. donald trump and his supporters, what you saw happening to the democracy and what's still happening to the democracy inform your decision for running for governor? >> i think we face some serious challenges in pennsylvania and
also some incredible opportunities, but i don't believe we can meet at this moment unless we show up our democracy. we can't make progress on things like connecting people to broad band. unless people around the table, unless their voices heard and they have access to the ballot box. we need to make progress to protect our democracy right here in the birthplace of our democracy, order to accomplish those big things for the good of pennsylvania. >> mr. shapiro, as you go campaign and talking the people, how much do they talk about those issues or is it kitchen table election talking point? >> it dis. >> in the sense of people realized the stakes are so high right now. >> they feel a fragility in our system. they recognize that there is a lot of work to be done but there
are a lot of threats out there. >> so people are worried about their voting rights being taken away from them. they're worried about being able to connect to the internet or take their kids to the doctor. yesterday i was at a hair as a it's all intertwine. >> mr. attorney general, john hellman here, for a lot of people that comes to mind is the behavior of the former president over the course of not just the
end of 2020 which you are familiar with and what he's doing now. we know donald trump did not pull off an auto crew in 2020. he's trying to tee it up more effectively. amend the mistakes from keeping it being short. if he falls short again, he'll be able to pull that coup off. how does that factor? >> i do accept that analysis, respectfully i may edited it slightly. here in pennsylvania, i think that way of thinking represents the modern day republican party and defines people who are running against me for governor. these are people who have been spoon feeding lies to the people of pennsylvania the last 11 months ago. there are people who are not
focused in meeting these moments and helping everyday. i cris cross this commonwealth tlrks, there is across to their lies. i don't think it's not just focused on the former president. this is through the modern day republican party. this is who's leading for the nominations of big offices here in pennsylvania. this is who they are. by continuing to pedal the big lie and trying to pass for a litmus test and really out of their own personal weaknesses. they're holding us all back. >> mr. shapiro, criss-cross the state, most are aware of the
fact that government at the national level or sometimes at the state level is dysfunctional or fighting each other everyday . what's our sense in talking to people of the average people of politics and due to the way politics behave in this country and to pennsylvania. i am not sure if i can offer much expertise nationally. i am a proud pennsylvania democrat and spent a whole lot of time in pennsylvania thani do in washington, d.c. there is less of a partisan divide and more of a focus right now, what i hear from people that they just want to take on some big fights for them and get things done. and actually deliver meaningful results that are going to better their lives. whether i show up and bradford
county or pennsylvania, i show up in southwest philadelphia like i did yesterday. there may be differences and ideology to be fair. what people really want for me to tell them is how are you going to help our economy including everybody. how are we going to create more jobs around clean energy. those are the things that i hear about. that's the focus on our conversations. are you willing to take on these fights and can you deliver? i think i got proven track records for doing those things. >> josh shapiro, thank you so much for being with us this morning. amy walter, let's take a step back and look at all of these races. we talked about virginia and pennsylvania and new jersey, governor's race have gone some intrigue as well. you are looking ahead of the midterms in congress where
republicans hoping to take back in that house. what are you looking at in terms of trend lines as you watch these races? >> yeah, it's a great question. i love that we went from commonwealth to commonwealth. look, i think the trend line that we are looking for especially these most immediate races, the ones in virginia and new jersey is the difference of what the boat is going to be. i say that because virginia and new jersey, those are big win for president biden in 2020. those are states that virginia has been coming a little more late to the game in terms of being a bluer state. new jersey been the last 20 years a blue state. if democrats win both of those, by how much?
how close to the 2020 margin are democrats? if the republicans succeed, how big of a swing is it? i think what we can take from that is the challenge ahead for democrats in terms of holding onto the house and senate, the state may go from plus 9 or 10. mcauliffe, that's an eight point swing away from democrats. in a state like pennsylvania has eight points. biden won by 80,000 votes. an eight-point swing, that's almost impossible for a democrat to overcome. that's like a title game. great to have you this morning. coming up next. adele released her new song in six years and racked up 20
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play for the team. he has stood by that. kevin durant said i hope they work this out. i believe we'll work this out. we want him on the team. we need him on the team. what's your take? >> well, you know, he's the only net not vaccinated. there's a vaccine mandate for the arena in new york city. so, no, he couldn't play in any home games and some road games because of vaccine mandates, and he acts as if this is the world persecuting him, but he's being -- he's sort of a professional iconoclast. there was a whole flat earth thing that he did a few years ago. he loves to get attention that way. i'm not a person who thinks that basketball players should just shut up and dribble, not at all.
quite the contrary. i believe they have important voices and loud voices that should be heard on issues and can have an impact, but they need to be called out when they're absolutely wrong. and he's absolutely wrong about the vaccine. and imagine being one of his teammates -- imagine being kevin durant or james harden, you know. if you have kyrie irving there, you're probably going to win the championship this year. and without him, i think you're probably not. and that's, you know, that should be a big deal to him and to the team and to everybody. i think he's being very selfish. >> we have been to a few brooklyn nets games in our day. he's tried to have it a bunch of different ways. someone said to "the athletic" kyrie is doing this because he feels bad for the workers who were put out of their jobs because they won't get the
vaccine. he's standing up for workers somehow. now in his instagram post, no, i understand both sides. i respect both sides. i'm just not getting the vaccine. so what gives here? are the nets going to go an entire season without kyrie? >> i hope not, willie. by looking for a few of the things we missed during the pandemic, our occasional nights out in front of the hardwood, and i would like to see kyrie. i'd like to see him play. i don't know what's going on. the words you used were the words that were going to come out of my mouth, that he's trying to have it every way. he's made various claims, told various people various things. he clearly does not just want to come out and say he's anti-vaccine. he gets there's some social stigma to saying that, so he's trying to find various ways around his reluctance. and someone pointed out the other day if you look back at the course of his college career that he would have had to have been vaccinated on multiple fronts. we point this out frequently.
he's not someone who has never had a vaccine in his life. he's had many vaccines in his life. the question of what's going on inside his head, it's not the first time people have called kyrie a little bit unpredictable, flakey. those words have been used to apply to kyrie on other issues. again, i find it hard to answer in a rational way. mike has something to say, though. >> john, you're right. willie, kyrie is difficult, he's demanding, he's different, but now he's dangerous. >> yeah. >> this is a big difference between telling the boston celtics fans when he was a member of the boston celtics i'm with you forever, i love it here. and three weeks later negotiating with the nets for a new deal. there's a difference between that and what he's doing now. it's a danger -- gene is absolutely correct. this is dangerous. >> gene, there have been some people who have said, look, it's the nba. he can get tested every single day, get tested three times a day if they want to. they have unlimited resources. so if he says principally as a
stand i'm not going to take the vaccine. i don't trust it, whatever his argument is, but he got tested every day, why couldn't he join the team? what do you make of that? >> well, i asked that same question, why can't he join the team? as mike barnicle said, he sends a dangerous message to people in a country that has too low vaccination rate. he has an important voice. people listen to him. we're talking about him, and so he's being unhelpful at a time when everybody needs to be helpful if we're going to get past this terrible pandemic. and, again, why doesn't he join the team? why doesn't he contribute to the brooklyn nets in the way that my guess is that the other players probably think he should?
i'm not going to criticize him publicly, but you have to wonder what they're thinking probably. >> yeah. we hope maybe k.d. can twist his arm. we should point out lebron james, the single most important player in the nba, announced publicly he has been vaccinated and encouraged others to do it as well. gene, thanks so much. john heilman, we're going with or without kyrie. i'll see you there. a note john is the guest on the new episode of joe's podcast. joe and john debate the beatles versus the stones. got to hear that. and paul mccartney, a little politics including the so-called slow moving coup and media overreach in the age of trump. a lot of john heilemann on joe's podcast. still ahead on "morning joe" after failing to show up for a deposition, the house january 6 committee moves to hold steve bannon in criminal contempt.
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with us this morning we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, msnbc contributor and best-selling author katty kay, and white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemire. joe and mika have the morning off. good morning to you all. we want to start with breaking news overnight. former president bill clinton has been hospitalized in california with a non-covid-related infection. a spokesperson saying he is on the mend, in good spirits, and thankful to the doctors, nurses and staff providing him with excellent care. a source close to clinton tells nbc news the former president is in intensive care as a precautionary measure and his original infection was diagnosed as uroligic but turned into a bigger one. let's bring in physician and fellow at the brookings institution, dr. kavita patel. dr. patel, i know you don't have
firsthand knowledge of the president's case but when you hear urologic infection that turns into a larger one in the bloodstream, what does that tell you. >> first of all it tells us this could have been incredibly serious, probably why initially they wanted to make sure he had close monitoring in an icu-type setting. one in four cases actually of these kind of sepsis or blood infections that overwhelm the body could have started as a urinary tract infection, as a prostate infection, all incredibly common in older men presenting usually with some symptoms of pain when you urinate. in the president's case, this is someone who has had a number of medical conditions putting him also at higher risk of an infection overwhelming the body. this starts, spreads to the blood, gets the entire body kind inform a response, willie, actually similar to what we see in covid in many cases, and then only really with aggressive
fluids through the iv and antibiotics, also through an iv, can you really attack this and given the body a chance to recover. sounds like, according to his physician statements and the reporting, though, as you mentioned he's in the icu today and now as a precaution and they actually have seen a lot of his blood indicators improving over the last several days and he'll even be switched to oral antibiotics which indicates he could be released soon to home or at least outside of the hospital. >> we obviously are not looking at his charts but if you look at some of the clues we can take some information away from it, doctors saying he was in the icu for his privacy more than anything else, not because he required intensive care. also hearing that he is up and walking around. so from those details what can you glean? >> absolutely great news. many of these cases, especially when the uro-genital infections get into the body, it can be tup and go.
i've had patients of my own who present into an office setting and we need to get them into a hospital setting, even into an icu literally within an hour because that's how quickly things can change. the fact that he's walking around, that he doesn't have to be in an icu and they can even switch him to potentially oral antibiotics soon are great signs and means, even not looking at his chart, that this is good news and thankfully for the president means he's in the recovery phase. >> we'll take all that have as hopeful news. thanks so much for your expertise. we appreciate it. joining us now outside university of california irvine medical center in orange, california, nbc news correspondent steve patterson. steve, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. again, more good news further cooperating this with his doctor team in new york in concert with the california team, all of them saying they hope the former president is able to return home soon based upon the fact that he's been here for several days,
he's been on that iv drip of antibiotics, of fluids, that he's up, recovering, is lucid, communicative, he's walking around and is talking to doctors. he's very appreciative of the care that he's gotten. i think the concern here is obviously, you know, for lack of a better phrase, the former president has had a bad heart. in 2004 had that quadruple bypass surgery where doctors found other signs of heart disease. and then in 2010 had those several stents installed inside of him to sort of fix the issues related to that. so there's some worry that if this is sepsis, if that does affect the blood, that this may further exacerbate issues he's had in the past. obviously with the white blood cell count down, we've heard that from doctors, with him up and moving, we've heard that from doctors, that they expect him to go home soon, all good signs so far.
again, it is early. he may still be in the hospital for a couple of days under that continuous monitoring. but all of those so far good signs that he's not in any immediate danger right now. willie? >> yeah. the president was in california for an event, was feeling fatigued, was admitted to the hospital on tuesday. as you say signs pointing in the right direction. we certainly hope it continues that way for the former president, the former first lady, secretary clinton, and their family. steve patterson in california, thank you for your reporting. we, of course, will stay on top of this story for you. meanwhile, the house committee investigating the attack on the capital will move to hold steve bannon in criminal contempt. the committee chairman bennie thompson says the panel will meet on tuesday for the vote writing in a statement, quote, the select committee will use every tool at its disposal to get the information it seeks and witnesses who try to stonewall the select committee will not succeed. in an inview with cnn the
congressman said no one is off limits to a subpoena from the committee, including former president trump. meanwhile, the select committee says it is delaying depositions for kash patel and meadows. the investigation for dan scavino has been moved due to a delay in delivering his subpoena. so, jonathan lemire, obviously steve bannon is central to this investigation. they say now, the committee, they will hold him in criminal contempt, perhaps forcing him to come in and give his deposition or to go to jail. the big question that looms out there obviously is former president trump, talk about a central figure to what happened on january 6, what are you hearing about whether the committee may call former president donald trump to give a deposition? >> the people that i've talked to, willie, say the decision has not yet been made. it is on their radar, something they are actively considering. there's a real growing sense of
frustration at the lack of cooperation from some members of the former trump administration on january 6th, although, to be fair, mark meadows and kash patel have been preliminarily cooperative. bannon has not and this repeats the playbook of the robert mueller investigation years ago. armed with a list of questions printed out by the white house and said i'll only answer these and most of the questions were answered with one word, no. he is someone who, despite having a pretty famous falling out with the former president years ago, has returned into trump's orbit, is a central figure in the events around january 6. he and the president are still talking this is a demonstration of loyalty. it should be noted if he were convicted of contempt it would be $1,000 fine it could be a year in jail if congress were to go that far, but it still wouldn't force him to testify. so they may not still get the material they want.
so we'll see in the days ahead as to what happens with bannon and the trump question looms further. i think we're still a few days or weeks away from a decision on that. there's every expectation trump would say no, he wouldn't appear, and that will set off a political firestorm. you can already imagine and hear the republicans crying foul to try to bring a former president in front of congress like this. >> yeah, and i guess, mike barnicle, that's the thing. bannon could spend a year in jail but still not have to testify. and at some point speed has to come into this because those members of congress are sounding tough now but they have to be watching those opinion polls as well that show the further we get away from january the 6th, the less inclined people are to really, really push this. and they can't drag this out forever and ever if they're going to keep the country behind them in terms of being tough on these defendants. >> katty, there are multiple frustrations in this case. the first frustration obviously is steve bannon can be forced to
appear before the committee, but he can't be forced to give information. he can't be forced to testify if he doesn't want to testify. the second frustration is steve bannon is an actor. and i think he is looking at this as playing out to make him a victim and a hero at the same time, to really, you know, engender huge support among the base, the trump base, which it will to make him a victim, to play it out. he knows how to do it. he's skilled at doing it. and the democrats for now, a couple years, two or three years at least, have underestimated the power of what the trump people and trump himself managed to do to twist and turn public opinion in their favor. it's an extraordinarily frustrating moment in history because of the danger that this has posed to the country, to our existing democracy, to the way we live, to the way we govern. but here we are. >> let's add to the conversation white house correspondent for
politico and co-author of "the playbook" eugene daniels and former u.s. attorney for alabama joy vance. good morning to you both. joyce, let me begin with you with the legal questions surrounding the subpoenas and refusal by many witnesses to appear. is the select committee handling this right by saying to steve bannon we're going to put you in jail if you don't come testify, is that the right direction to go? is that a good signal to send to other witnesses? >> well, to mike barnicle's point, congress has a limited hand to play here. one of the things that we learned during the trump administration was that when you have leaders who are intent on breaking the system and not abiding by its norms, that they can do a lot of damage. so here congress is playing the cards it has as best as it can. it has two options. one would be to go to court and pursue a civil contempt. but we saw how that played out with don mcgahn whose testimony
occurred 750 days after he was subpoenaed. that's a slow moving mechanism at best. this criminal mechanism is also imperfect, but it may be the best option here. what it requires is for congress to send a referral to the u.s. attorney's office in the district of columbia. and that u.s. attorney will make a charging decision about whether to bring criminal contempt charges. it is a strong signal to people who are respectful abiders of the rule of law in this country and it's an interesting provision. there's a 30-day mandatory minimum. this is a misdemeanor criminal attempt. the minimum a judge could impose is 30 days. one would think that for people other than steve bannon who doesn't seem to be intimidated by the prospect of going to jail, that this would at least send a strong signal to future folks. but, willie, it's important to note the calculus that prosecutors involve here. they have to make sure they have sufficient evidence to sustain a
conviction and that's likely here based on the facts as they present. they also consider additionally, though, whether the national interest is served by bringing a prosecution. we know that this department of justice has been very careful to not upset the balance. they don't want to be the match that lights the powder keag in a very difficult, fragile moment in our country's history if they don't go ahead and help congress enforce its subpoena, though, the ability of congress to maintain its status as a co-equal third branch is really devastated in many ways and doj will need to engage to enforce this subpoena if congress asks them to do so. >> hey, eugene, it's jonathan. nice to talk to you again. obviously the contents of the investigation are paramount, but let's not be naive. there are politics involved here, too. walk us through how you see this play out if, indeed, the committee were to go down the route that could end up with steve bannon in jail if they do, indeed, try to bring former
president trump to appear. you can imagine republicans crying about witch-hunt. you can imagine that this would further deeply divide capitol hill. they're so polarized already. and eat up a lot of oxygen, political capitol, as the democrats are trying to get through biden's agenda not to mention the debt ceiling and the government running out of money in a couple of months. how does this all play out? >> exactly. none of this stuff happens in a vacuum. i haven't heard witch-hunt in a long time but that might be rolling back around as this plays out. one thing that is a hallmark of president trump, a hallmark of someone like steve bannon, a hallmark of the movement is feeling like a victim and talking about the deep state or the liberal media or whoever is coming after me and they're coming after you next. that's a card we can expect steve bannon to play if and when
he speaks about this publicly and talks about this. it is something he has done before and is likely to do again. it is a go-to for him and a lot of other folks. and when you talk about getting republicans onboard to do anything with democrats as they're doing investigations like this, it's already so difficult, right, like they're already having to use this reconciliation process to do things on their own. and republicans have already made it clear they're not going to help with the debt ceiling and other things. so i think the democrats have to make a decision, okay, are we going to, you know, put on a show that looks like a bipartisan congress, or are we going to get the things done we want to get done? and that's something advocates and activists want to see happen. democrats just move forward and kind of keep the blinders on. but democrats do have to keep in mind what that looks like because it's likely that they won't have the house or the senate or maybe both when all things are said and done next november based on what we know
about history. and so there's a lot of calculations going on about how exactly they're going to proceed with this and how that impacts everything else. but they are determined, and they say this over and over again, to find the truth and find out what happened because they do see it often, they say, bigger than politics, this dark day in our democracy should be something that democrats and republicans and independents all care about and want to get to the bottom of. >> thank you very much. we want to you weigh in on the latest developments surrounding the texas abortion law being challenged by the federal government. you're watching "morning joe." the best things america makes are the things america makes out here. the history she writes in her clear blue skies. the legends she births on home town fields. and the future she promises.
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last night, a circuit court of appeals ruling the restrictive texas abortion law will remain in effect. by 2-1 vote the appellate panel refused the justice department's request to restore a lower court's injunction. the doj now can appeal the ruling to the u.s. supreme court. so, joyce, twists and turns around this law and legal rulings around it. where does this head next? what does it look like will be the fate of this abortion law? >> well, doj will continue to fight this battle perhaps going to the supreme court. it's interesting to note that the fifth circuit panel wasn't unanimous. they split 2-1 along political lines, which is a concept i really hate discussing when we're thinking about federal judges. but the political split here is very notable. look, willie, this runs contrary to jurisprudence on preliminary injunctions. this is a procedural motion, and the question is, should texas'
sb-8 be permitted to go into effect while merits are being litigated? traditionally, and as you know, the federal courts live on tradition. the precedent here says you don't put a statute in place when it would be unconstitutional. and right now roe vs. wade is the law of the land in this country, at least until the supreme court looks at it this term in the mississippi case. traditional jurisprudence says texas' sb-8 should be enjoined, blocked from going into effect while it's being tested in the courts. the fifth circuit has chosen to reverse the district judge and permit that law to remain in effect while this judicial proceeding goes on its way is very unusual, and it feels like there's a separate jurisprudence for abortion in the fifth circuit right now. >> as you say for now anyway, that texas law is in effect. former district attorney joyce vance, thank you for your expertise and perspective. we appreciate it.
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virginia's takeback rally, they called it, pledge allegiance to a flag organizers said was present at the january 6th attack on the united states capitol. youngkin responded yesterday. >> i wasn't involved and so i don't know, but if that is the case, then we shouldn't pledge allegiance to that flag. and, oh, by the way, i've been so clear there is no place for violence, none -- none -- in america today. >> youngkin condemned people involved in the rally and laettner a statement called it, quote, weird and wrong to pledge allegiance to a flag connected to january 6th. joining us now democratic senator tim kaine of virginia to talk about this and much more. senator, thanks for being with us this morning. so that rally was not attended by glenn youngkin, but president trump did call in to that rally where they stood and pledged allegiance to a flag used on january 6. youngkin distancing himself. what's the impact on the race here?
>> willie, look, if you promote the big lie then you're responsible in some consequences of the big lie, his entire campaign that election integrity is the biggest issue, we need to question the results of november 2020. when he gets caught on it, he then backpedals as he did yesterday the rally in his favor with pro-insurrection folks. i didn't know about it. you can't have it both ways. you either are consistent in condemning the insurrection or not this is very personal. on january 6 the governor of virginia ordered both state troopers and virginia national guard to come protect the union against an insurrection. democratic governor did it and terry mcauliffe would do it in a minute. when all these insurrectionists are pulling for glenn youngkin, what's he going to do if there's
ever an attack like this again? is he going to try to stop it, or is he going to be glad because he is promoting lies about election integrity in this country? this is a grave, grave issue that virginians are really worried about right now. >> who knows if that actually was a flag used on january 6, but when you look at the images of police officers being beaten with american flags and to have that symbol held up and give the pledge of allegiance to it is repulsive. let me ask you about the race. we take a step back and ask you why it's so close. we had governor mcauliffe on giving his analysis of that. he's a relatively popular figure in the state. why is glenn youngkin who, for the reasons you laid out, has some pretty wild views and dangerous views as we talk about elections, why is it so close? >> you know, willie, i know this pretty well because i was governor from 2006 to 2010, and
i was in an extremely close race right to the end. here is a challenge that we always face in virginia. presidential year we have huge turnout, 70% turnout. then we have a governor's race the next year, a unique off year election, and turnout tends to drop into the 40s, 45, 47, 42. when the turnout drops, it creates challenges for democrats because we usually want bigger turnout. i happen to think that a saving grace this year is this. this will be the first governor's race where virginians will have been able to vote for 45 days beginning september 17th in person or by mail with no excuse. that's never been a part of any governor's race before. we start that had right before the presidential election. and terry mcauliffe, who is popular, who did a good job as governor, really understands with his team how to maximize the convenience of early vote. the returns are very strong for
terry, and i think that may be a saving grace. anybody watching this who is a virginia voter or knows one, no time to be complacent this is going to be a really close race because of the drop-off in turnout after an election year. >> senator tim kaine, thanks so much, senator. we appreciate it. coming up, the great edie falco is standing by. she plays hillary clinton on the hit show "american crime story." we'll talk about the new season next on "morning joe."
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>> is there something you need to tell me? >> no. >> did something happen? >> no. >> because if anything happened, you know it's better that i -- >> and i would tell you. you know i would. but nothing happened. >> that is edie falco, as former first lady clinton on the new fx series "american crime story: impeachment." edie, it's so great to see you. there's playing real-life figures, which is challenging enough because people have their impressions of them, and then hillary clinton, arguably the most famous woman in the world or one of them anyway, and people have strong feelings about her. so when this idea came to you, what did you think? >> well, you know, it was during the pandemic -- so part of me thought this probably isn't even
going to happen. so i'm pretty safe, right? but then, of course, it did happen. when i first met clive owen, he said luckily nobody knows who these people are so we're safe in that way. nerve-racking to say the least. >> i'm sure. and this focuses on such a specific and deeply personal part of president clinton's life and hillary clinton's life. so as you start to get into the character, as you start to develop it, what's your approach here as you offer these really intimate look at a marriage effectively? >> well, these are two people who are kind of etched into the brains of pretty much every american, maybe every human. so she's kind of in there already. and it was an imagination look at what the actual personal life of these people was like during this time. nobody knows what it really was,
except for them, but we lived through the public idea of what this was, and it was very curious to me, what was this like on a personal level? and i found that very interesting. >> edie, it's katty kay here. you are not the only woman who is central in this show. the whole impeachment process is told from the point of view of the women, paula jones, monica lewinsky, linda tripp involved. how do you think that changes our understanding of the story and what happened, the fact that we see it through the eyes of the women who were central to it? >> well, i think that was part of the reason for making this is that we had no idea, you know, they were sort of pawns in a larger story, and they all had their own take on it and their own experience of going through this, and i think it was important to know how much of it they were, you know, a party to, how much they participated knowingly, how much they were just part of a storyline.
and i think that's what the show kind of tries to do. >> edie, i think all of us here on the panel would have a strong sense that you're probably terrific standing in line at the dry cleaners or something like that. you would just be great. but, i have to tell you clive owen, who is british, just in that little clip there, that's astounding. what was it like working with him? >> he's really something. he's really a master. he had a long way to go from, you know, arkansas to england, where he's from, and he took the challenge very seriously. from the physical appearance to the sound. it was really a little bit disarming, to be honest with you. he was pretty great. and nice. >> edie, we had yesterday on the show stevie van zandt, as you know. he has a memoir out, a new book.
>> yeah. >> we were talking about "the sopranos." you have some distance from it now, a defining role, and nurse jackie. stevie was shocked by the way that he got a phone call from david chase to be on that show given that he'd never acted before. as you look back on those years and the impact, the lasting legacy of that show, what do you think? >> you know, it has a whole new life now apparently as people have been watching it during the pandemic and now, like, the children of people who originally liked it are watching it. it's shocking to me that i did this thing 20 years ago and people are still talking about it. from the vantage point of an actress, how can you be luckier than that? i feel like a new wave of gratitude for having been a part of this thing. very lucky. >> you were so good. you're right, people are watching, another generation. you're also great on broadway.
you're in a new play called "morning sun." you keep very busy. and you're excited to be part of the comeback of broadway this is an off broadway show. tell us about it. >> i don't think i realized how much i missed it until we got into a theater. it's been very emotional for a lot of reasons. but theater is such a weird thing to do with one's life. some days you wonder what the heck this is as a way to make a living, and then you get there and you realize it's important to sit in a room with a bunch of people and tell a story and hear a story. it's part of the way we were designed as humans, i think. it's really given my soul a lot of nourishment to be back doing something on stage. >> it's another story, the play, edie, of women, and here three generations of women. tell us a little bit about the women in this family who have moved into this walk-up in new york. >> yeah. there are three generations of women, mother, daughter and
granddaughter, and they live in the west village, and it's kind of a love story to new york. it's about all the different things that were going on in new york during the various times that they lived. and it's about three just kind of regular women who were not in any way world beaters or well known. and i find that very moving. the majority of us are that, regular people. >> the play is called "morning sun." edie falco, so great to talk to you. previews at new york city center ahead of a november 3 opening night. go get your tickets and rush out. as mike barnicle said you could watch edie falco in line at the dry cleaner's. it's great to see you. coming up next on "morning joe," what is driving america's largest private sector strike in years as it comes during a nationwide worker shortage. our next guest has a look what happens to people when work disappears. and coming up this weekend
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john deere for almost two decades, more than 10,000 union members like him, employees at 14 plants across five states, rejected a deal that included 5% to 6% wage hikes. the workers argue they deserve more since the company has reported record profits this year, $4.7 billion so far. >> this is the first time that the deck has been stacked in our favor. we know it. >> reporter: a john deere spokesperson says we will keep working day and night to understand our employees' priorities and resolve this strike. but the walk-out is under way during harvesting season when many farmers need parts for their equipment. it's also smack in the middle of a supply chain crisis many factors colliding as the american worker decides to fight back. >> the president believes in collective bargaining rights, workers' rights, that's a role labor unions and why they are so important to our country. >> reporter: a nurse in massachusetts for nearly 40 years has been on strike for seven months. >> i think the pandemic has
awakened the union movement again. i think that people are realizing what their worth is. >> reporter: across several states a strike at cereal giant kellogg's issening its second week, while in a very different kellogg is entering its second week, and in hollywood 60,000 behind-the-scenes workers are threatening to strike. crew members are calling for higher pay, better benefits and meal breaks. in august alone, 4.3 million workers quit their jobs, some analysts calling it the great resignation. >> a lot of people suffered greatly during the pandemic in terms of work hours, difficult work conditions and so forth. so there is exhaustion and there is an opportunity to negotiate, renegotiate the terms. >> gabe gutierrez reporting for us. our next guest is looking at the other end of the labor picture. what happens when there are not enough jobs to go around in certain places and certain industries?
farrah stockman joins us, a member of "the new york times" editorial board and author of the new book titled "american made, what happens to people when work disappears". good morning. in your book you follow the lives of three factory workers as their plant closes down in nap miss. you begin saying, the machines that were still left on the factory floor beeped and whired, as if calling out to the machines that had been taken away. the workers lit their cigarettes and wondered what would become of the people who made the layoff list. the factory had been a world unto itself. family dynasties had risen and fallen on the factory floor, in its break rooms the rivals had gone to war and made peace. under those rose there was
lexicon. years after it closed, a funny thought strike someone who'd worked there that could be be understood only by someone who had worked there. >> this really is a story of loss as you see this through the eyes of factory workers, not just of a job but of the identity that had been connected to it and connected to their fathers and mothers and generations before them. >> yeah, that was, to me, the big take-away, the central role that it plays and it's so much more than a paycheck for people. i wrote this book because in 2016 i was really shocked by the fact that donald trump became the president, a man who had never even served one day in government. how could so many people have voted for him? i'm from michigan, from the rust belt, and i started asking around and i kept hearing he's going to save our jobs, he's going to save our factories, and i followed this factory in
indianapolis that was moving to mexico to really see, like what does that feel like to be told your job is moving away, because these people over here will do it cheaper? it was a real education for me. >> you know, as willie read the excerpt from your book, it struck me that about 40 years ago there was a book written which was basically a collection of oral histories of working people, and the similarity between what is in his book and your work, specifically this book, at an age and a culture when unions have been diminished, their power has nearly evaporated, their numbers are down, but the age-old fear of being told, hey, you don't have to come in tomorrow, you're gone, basically making a worker disappear, it's the same,
basically, today as it was then? >> it's absolutely the same. in fact, he opens his book with a steel worker who says something about being a dying breed. and it could have been said today, it could have been said by the workers i followed. i followed a woman who was a white woman who had escaped an abusive relationship. she got the courage and money to leave an abusive man because of her job in a factory. i also followed a black man who had served a stint in prison and he was able to get his life back on track because of a job in a factory. so work is really essential to people, especially working people. and you think, how many times in your life have you been at a party and someone says, well, what do you do? what do you do? and what they're really asking is, where do you work and how important are you. it's really essential to our identity and you can see when so many of these jobs leave in
certain places, it's highly concentrated in certain towns in the united states, it really has an impact and it has really helped polarize our politics and create the sort of political mess we're in right now. >> so we live in a country and we're part of a culture where people make extraordinary efforts to address the economic loss that workers suffer when they're laid off or the plant disappears and everything like that. but you hear very little, and you were just alluding to it, you hear very little about the psychology of workers losing their jobs because it's their identity. >> yes. >> basically they think the world is telling them, you are no longer needed. >> yes, absolutely. after shannon lost her job, she called up her -- an old mentor from the factory and was like, will you be my boss?
you know, it really -- it was a bowling team, it was a social life, it was a place where you could get financial advice. it was a network, it was a tribe. and one of the big take-aways for me is that we live in a country where two-thirds of the adults do not have bas, they don't have four-year college degrees, and yet our whole economy is really based on having a college degree. and so these people really felt like the world is moving beyond them and they are a dying breed, they're a dying breed. so i think trump became very attracted to them because he had an answer for that, which is walls and tariffs and keep the world at bay because these jobs are going to be done cheaper by lower wage countries and we're going to stop that from happening. so the democrats have come with their own answer, which is let's keep the world -- let's keep this trade going, but we're
going to tax the very wealthy so that we build up the social safety net. and the safety net is really important, but it doesn't replace that dignity that people got from their jobs. and so that's sort of -- i think that's the challenge, is to move towards the 21st century economy where people can have the dignity of work. >> you wrote the book, as you said, after 2016 when trump got elected and there were kind of questions in the book about, in a sense, an understanding of trump voters, of what they want and what they saw in president trump. what did you feel you learned about people who voted for donald trump that you may not have understood before you wrote the book and before you did this reporting? >> well, i learned that globalization is a big part of it. trump is kind of a global phenomenon, if you look at
brexit and the rise of far right parties in europe, there's a lot of blue collar workers in the industrialized world who say we don't want to be replaced by people in china and mexico. we want our jobs. so we want to keep the world out. and so i really -- i think that our democracy right now is in peril because this is an imbalance right now and i learned that we need to listen a little bit closer to what these people are talking about. this union that i followed, in their union hall if you walk right in, you'll see a big picture of bernie sanders. they endorsed bernie sanders because bernie sanders was saying similar things to trump about stopping corporations from offshoring shops. and they were never going to support hillary clinton because hillary clinton had been married to bill clinton and bill clinton did nafta.
he's the one back in the '90s talking about we have to embrace globalization and they felt very betrayed by bill clinton. they felt betrayed by nafta. and they felt angry about china's entrance into the wto, which we lost about 5 million factory jobs after china's entrance into the wto. they blame clinton for all of that. these are long-time union people. one guy told me, my father would have rolled over in his grave if he knew that had i voted for a republican. but they came sort of trump republicans because of trump's stance on trade. >> it's an excellent book and so important to understand where we are right now as a country. it's called "american made, what happens to people when work disappears". farrah stockman, garages on the book and thank you for being here this morning. we only have a couple of seconds left in our remaining moments. you've been working the phones
and you just got a few cables from across the atlantic. your final analysis of the checked swing in the dodgers/giants game last night. >> i'm sorry you were robbed, clearly. that was a bad call. look, he stops. he doesn't strike. even i knew that. >> that's right. >> maybe. that's what they say in yorkshire. >> san francisco, the entire bay area was robbed. katty kay has spoken, the case is closed. mike, good luck tonight, i guess, to the red sox. thank all of you for watching this week. we'll be back with you on monday morning. for now, stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage. ♪ hey, there. i'm stephanie ruhle, live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. it is friday, october 15th. let's get smarter and get to the news. here's what you need to know today. charges are coming amid a battle between lawmakers and top trump