it's october 17th. i'm jonathan capehart. this is "the sunday show." this sunday, we begin with the breaking news out of haiti. 17 american missionaries and their families were kidnapped by an armed gang while returning from visiting an orphanage according to "the new york times" and the haitian officials. we'll donate bring you the latest as we monitor the situation. former president bill clinton is expected to be released from the president today after being admitted this week due to a urological infection. and more breaking news overnight. the international alliance of theatrical stage employees who represents 60,000 members who keep hollywood running as negotiated a new contract and averted the biggest labor strike in hollywood since world war ii. but that hollywood ending hasn't

taken hold elsewhere, as thousands of workers are striking across the country and millions of others are just straight-up quitting. more than 4 million americans, almost 3% of the entire workforce walked off their jobs in august. these quitting and striking workers are fighting for things that president biden's build back better build would fund, but lawmakers are still negotiating. and there has been a not so great development in those negotiations. senator joe manchin finally stated he will not support the $150 billion policy known as the clean electricity performance program that would pay electric companies to transition away from fossil fuels. the overall stalemate also endangers the infrastructure plan, but president biden is confident they'll get it across the finish line.

>> i'm convinced we're going to get it done. we're not going to get $3.5 trillion. we'll get less than that, but we'll get it and we'll come back and get the rest. >> now, playing in the background of all of this for democrats are the looming midterm elections, now a little more than a year away. and while many democrats fret over the impact of the dem on dem fighting that has stalled the build back better act, that hasn't stopped them or the republicans for that matter from raking in campaign cash. "the new york times" reports the two party's main war chest for the house total a combined $128 million, more than double the sum at this point in the 2020 cycle and far surpassing every other previous one. the national republican congressional committee has adopted a new fund-raising tactic, calling those who have yet to donate, quote, traitors who, quote, abandoned trump. i mean, talk about coercion.

meanwhile, the former guy has been turning up the heat on the grand old party, threatening that republican voters get this, quote, will not be voting in '22 or '24, unless this election fraud hoax is solved, first. reminder, there was no fraud. but the party or cult or whatevers is these days is still falling in line. albeit, in a weird way, like this campaign event for virginia's gubernatorial candidateyoungkin. i also want to invite kim from chesapeake. she's carrying an american flag that was carried at the peaceful rally with donald j. trump on january 6th. i ask you all to rise and join us as mark lloyd leads us in the pledge. >> face the flag. i pledge allegiance to the flag

-- >> i can't even -- that disturbing and bizarre moment brings us to the vital work of the house select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection, and they are not here for anybody's foolishness. the panel is set to vote this tuesday on federal contempt charges for former trump adviser steve bannon to refusing to comply with the committee's subpoena. a move president biden supports 100%. >> i hope that the committee goes after them and holds them accountable. >> should they be prosecuted? >> i do, yes. >> joining me now, congressman adam schiff, member of the select committee on the january 6th attack. chair of the house intelligence committee. lead impeachment manager at the first of trump's two senate trials, and the author of the new book, "midnight in washington: how we almost lost our democracy and still could."

chairman schiff, thank you so much for coming back to the sunday show. let's talk about what's going to happen on tuesday and the potential of criminal contempt charges for steve bannon. what's the process here? >> reporter: the process on thursday night, we'll be voting on a report in the committee. the report concludes that bannon should be held in contempt. he failed to appear. he has no reasonable explanation for that failure to appear. and that will then go to the full house. the full house will vote to hold him in criminal contempt, and then the speaker will ultimately refer that contempt to the justice department, where the statute says that the justice department has that duty to present it to the grand jury. and so i just want to make sure that i heard you correctly that tuesday isn't the day, it's thursday? >> tuesday -- no, i'm sorry -- it's tuesday. the how picks up the report and will pass it out of the committee on tuesday. i don't know the date we will take it up on the floor.

we hope to take it up very soon, but we're not messing around here. we're moving very expeditiously. to me, this is an early sign of whether our democracy is recovering. whether it's true that no one is above the law, that the rule of law must apply. so we intend to go after anyone who doesn't provide information that they're lawfully compelled to, to our committee. >> which leads me to wonder, there are other people you subpoenaed is, the select committee subpoenaed, kash patel, mark meadows, the former chief of staff, dan scavino. yes, dan scavino. but from what i can tell you, the committee hasn't taken any action against those three. why is that? >> we've been engaging with t counsel for a couple of the witnesses. one of the witnesses was served late. but look, if we get the sense

while we're engaging with counsel that they're not serious, that they're trying delay, they be we will move forward as we did with jeffrey clark, a senior justice department official, we have been engaging with counsel, trying to secure his voluntary testimony. it wasn't getting us anywhere, so he was served with a subpoena. and that's going to be our approach. we try to get voluntary testimony with those that we expect to be hostile. sometimes we go straight to a subpoena. and one of the things about a prosecution here is that when the justice department brings charges against the first person in this case, steve bannon, that will send a powerful message to other witnesses that they better cooperate or they, too, will face prosecution. >> how likely is it that the select committee will call on donald trump to testify? >> i don't know the answer to that. ultimately, that will be a decision that we'll make as a committee and our chair will announce if it comes to that.

but one thing we are very uniform on, democrats and republicans on the select committee is that no one is off the table. we will go where we need to go to get the evidence we need to present to the american people and write a definitive report of the terror of that day and what we need to do to protect the country going forward. and one of the biggest black boxes in terms of the unknowns is donald trump's role. we know that he incited the insurrection, but what was he doing on the day of the insurrection? why didn't we have troops come reinforce the capitol more quickly? and what did the president know about the propensity for violence that day in the presence of these white nationalist groups. there are a lot of unanswered questions. >> the clock is an issue here for the select committee, you know, it's anticipated that steve bannon is going to challenge his subpoena, which will tie it up in the courts for a long time.

in 2023, after the midterm elections, there will be a new congress, so is the select committee worried about the ability to get at truth and fill in the puzzle pieces. >> we feel that the president is out there pushing the big lie as we speak. and it could lead to another attack on the capitol. although, jonathan, what concerns me the most is this flexion by other means. to strip election officials of their jobs and their responsibilities and give them over to partisans and partisan legislatures. it seems the lesson that donald trump learned and i write about this in the book is where he failed in the last attempt to overturn the election was in not having secretaries of state would ignore the law and do his

will. if brad raffensperger wouldn't find 11,780 votes that don't exist, then donald trump is determined the next time to find someone who will. so we feel a great sense of urgency to protect the country. look, my expectation is we sent in the majority. but regardless, we're going to move quickly, because our democracy is at a really fragile point right now. >> i want to talk about your book, but i want to remind people that during the first impeachment in 2020, i believe it was in your closing speech, you warned -- you warned members of congress and the senate and you warned the american people that if donald trump weren't held accountable then, that he would once again abuse your power and you could be right back there all over again, which the country was after the insurrection on january 6th. let's talk about your book. i want to read this quote, which is -- anyone who has followed

you will not be surprised by what you've written or will not be unfamiliar with the passion behind this. you write, our system of government depends on two functional parties. and now we have only one. the gop had become an anti-truth, anti-democratic exult organized around the former president. for a brief moment, when emotions around the insurrection were high, mccarthy had flirted with casting him aside, but their flirtation with truth quickly flickered and died. and when that small light was extinguished, prospects for a swift recovery from the damage inflicted by the most grandiose of liars died along with it. where -- that is you writing about the immediate aftermath of january 6th. but by no means are we out of danger, are we? >> no, we're not.

and that particularly nags at me, that passage that you read, because there was an opportunity after the country saw to what end donald trump had brought this this country. you could see not so much mccarthy, but in mcconnell, the real flickerings of conscience and a wrestling with whether he should be cast aside. i think mcconnell concluded that he would be trying to cast aside donald trump, that he himself instead would be cast aside and that may be true, but what's the point of even being there if when the country really need us, we're not doing our job or living up to our oath. we are not out of the woods, jonathan. but one of the things i do write about in this book is the heroes of this time. the marie yovanovitches, the dan coats and others who did their job, who showed the way, who in

spired a great many people. and it's those illustrations and examples that we should follow to find our own courage these days. we're a resilient country. i fully believe that we'll get through this. and one of the reasons i titled the book, midnight in washington, midnight might be the darkest moment of every day in the world, but what comes after is filled with a prospect of light. and i fully believe that we're going to get through this. >> chairman schiff, are we going to get through this if democrats lose majority in the house and kevin mccarthy becomes speaker of house. you wrote a vignette about an interaction you had with kevin mccarthy, a fellow californian, who you don't really know, you're from opposite ends of the state. i'll put a quote on the screen, but you talk about a conversation that you had whifl

traveling and you were talking about the politics of the hill. and he goes to the press and says that you said to him, you agreed with his assessment that republicans were going to retake the house. you call him up, you go to him on the floor and you said to him, kevin, if we were having a private conversation on the plane, i would have thought it were a private conversation, but if it wasn't, you know that i said the exact opposite of what you told the press. i know, adam, was his reply, talking about mccarthy, but you know how it goes. you then say, i was incredulous. no, kevin, i don't. you just make stuff up -- you use a barnyard expletive, and that's how you operate? he just shrugged. and i bring this up because kevin mccarthy is champing at the bit to become the next speaker of the house. how dangerous would a speaker

mccarthy be? >> i told that story because one of the most frequent questions i get from my constituents around the country is what do they really say. and this story of this chance meeting on a plane with kevin mccarthy and him going off to completely misrepresent a conversation, you can see how duplicitous so many of my colleagues are. that conversation was in 2010. it was long before donald trump. but he was really made for an hour like this. when his party is led my someone who believes that the truth isn't truth and you're entitled to your own alternate facts. and in my view, there's nothing more corrosive to a democracy than the idea that there's no truth. and you cannot allow someone with that little regard for the truth to get anywhere near the speaker's office. if kevin mccarthy were to become speaker, then functionally,

donald trump would become speaker, because kevin mccarthy would do anything that donald trump told him to do, no matter how wrong or unethical, and we cannot allow that to happen. so, look, i think the midterms, very much in a real, not intangible sense, democracy will be on the ballot. >> and will democracy win, real quickly, congressman schiff? >> democracy will win. and the reason i'm hopeful and optimistic about the future is because there are millions and millions of americans who love and cherish our democracy and our proud legacy, and they're far more numerous, those who are defending our democracy than those who would tear it down. >> congressman adam schiff of california, chair of the house intelligence committee and a member of the house select committee on january 6th, thank you very much for coming back to "the sunday though." coming up, house budget committee chairman john yarmouth is here to tell us what will and what probably won't make it in

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ultimately, we can't do this forever, we're not doing this forever. time is running short here. we've got to come to a time where we figure out, what's the best version that we have enough votes for that is still going to have an historic impact. >> translation, the democrats-only reconciliation bill won't be $3.5 trillion, as president biden had initially

hoped. but forget about the price tag for a moment. which programs will make up that best version that can get all 50 democratic votes? joining me now is kentucky democrat and chairman of the house budget committee, congressman john yarmouth. congressman yarmouth, welcome back to the sunday show. >> thanks, jonathan. good to be with you. >> okay. let's talk about the news that everyone's talking about. senator joe manchin is basically saying "no" to the clean energy provision. is that going to kill everything? >> i don't think so. i think, jonathan, there's kind of a renewed understanding, both with progressives and moderates that we have to get done what we can get done. that taking 80% of what we want is a pretty good victory at this point. and one of the things that it's important to realize is that this build back better agenda is

all future oriented. these are things that will set up america up for a better future a generation or two from now. there is, with some exceptions, most of these provisions are things we don't have to get done next week, but every year, every month that we wait to start action on climate, to make sure every child 3 and 4 has a strong educational foundation, those are things that we're depriving some people of benefits that we need for them to have to go forward. but, again, it's unfortunate that we're in the situation that we are, in the senate. it would be wonderful to have 65 democrats there, so that one person from west virginia couldn't decide what the rest of country has. >> one person from west virginia or one person from arizona, senator kyrsten sinema, who is opposed to her -- one of the many things she's opposed to, the prescription drug pricing

reform. i want to stick with what you just said about, we have to get done what we have to get done. part of issue here is the calendar. on act 31st, the hope is that there would be a vote on infrastructure and social spending, something that the speaker has set. if negotiations go beyond october 31st, don't you, meaning, congressional democrats, run into serious issues of getting this -- of having this whole thing just get derailed because of other deadlines that are coming up. the government funding deadline and the debt ceiling on september 3rd, and then potentially a new debt ceiling between december 15th and january 8th? >> yeah, well, certainly, it makes it a little more difficult, but we've done this before. it seems like we do it almost every congress and at the end of almost every year, that we have this condensed period of

hyperactivity. so, yeah, it's somewhat problematic, but i think we can handle it and we have the masterful nancy pelosi, who's herding cats here. so, i'm not overly concerned about that. i am concerned, specifically, about the debt ceiling, because of the irresponsibility of republicans in the house and senate, who seem to think that -- they're in the donald trump school of business, where you can run up all sorts of debts and never pay for them. and it's something that it's just kind of hard to believe. but we'll get that done, as well. >> all right. i will take your optimism and put it over here. in the little bit of time that we have left, i have to ask you this about your recent announcement that you will not seek re-election. that you will be retiring. your the house budget committee chair. one, why leave? and two, why shouldn't democrats writ large view your announcement of your retirement

as a bad sign for 2022? >> well, because this decision was totally personal. as i've said many times in the last week, i'll be 75 when me term expires and i want to have much more control over the time i have left. i don't plan on retiring, as such. i plan to be very active politically and hopefully in some way in policy. but as kenny rogers once said, you've got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them. it seemed like the right term. i will have been chair of the committee for two terms, my main isn't american rescue plan, my name will be on another bill that's sizable as well and that's a pretty good way to go out. i don't think you can read anything into this politically. i'm very optimistic, as adam

schiff is, of our chances next year. i think we lost a lot of seats because of the straight ballot voting. the people that came out and voted straight ticket republican won't come out in the same numbers. i feel pretty good about that. we'll keep my seat and i'll be happy about that as well. and i'll be working hard to make sure that's a sure thing. >> you said, we're going to keep my seat. one, you're in a safe democratic district, but also the possibility of your son running to secede you. i'll ask you about that another anytime. john yarmouth, thank you very much for coming back to "the sunday show." coming up, i'm catching up with democratic nominee for virginia governor terry mcauliffe who's out on the campaign trail this morning with stacey abrams. stay with us. this morning with stacey abrams. stay with us

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virginia, i'm asking you to vote for terry mcauliffe and the democrats on the ballot. it takes all of us coming together, doing our part, today and tomorrow and every day until terry mcauliffe wins on november 2nd! we can do this, virginia. >> democrats are throwing their full weight for terry mcauliffe to once again be the governor of virginia.

stacey abrams and mcauliffe will host a souls to the polls early voting event, marking the first time that voter in virginia will be able to cast a ballot on a sunday. and president obama is expected to stump for mcauliffe next week. it's a victory that democrats need heading into the 2022 midterms. joining me now and coming back to the sunday show, democratic nominee for virginia governor and the former governor of virginia, terry mcauliffe. great to see you again. thanks for coming back. >> thank, jonathan. >> all right, terry, you always run like you're 15 points behind, but i want to put these poll numbers up. one poll has glenn youngkin leading you by a little more than a point. fox news poll has you over youngkin by five points. the cbs news poll has you up by three points. you always run like you're 15 points behind, but how concerned are you by these close polls?

>> listen, jonathan, as you know, this was always going to be a close race. this is an off, off year in virginia and we've got to get the voters out. i'm running against someone who has been endorsed by trump six times. i'm running against someone who has actually said, so much of the reason i'm running is because of donald trump. we don't want the texas abortion law here. my opponent wants to outlaw abortion. he doesn't believe in medicaid expansion. i mean, he wants to take money out of public schools and put them into private schools. 43,000 teachers would be cut. so, listen, we've got just to energize. and wednesday night when they had a youngkin rally and did a pledge of allegiance to a flag that was at the january 6th insurrection, which was so despicable, so disgraceful. doing a pledge to a flag that was at a rally that was trying to destroy our democracy.

and then, glenn youngkin says he'll do whatever trump wants him to do. we have souls to the polls. i have stacey here today. i'm doing eight churches, she's doing churches and a rally in norfolk and a rally in virginia and keisha lance bottoms is doing a huge event for us. we've got everybody on the playing field. stakes could not be anymore important. they're trying to roll back voting rights. and today is the first time in virginia history you can vote on a sunday. we're proud of what democrats have done, expanding voting rights. glenn youngkin said the other day, let's go inspect all of virginia's voting machines. that's all the trump crazy 2020 conspiracy stuff. >> terry, you talked a lot about there that i want to jump in on. the glenn youngkin about the january 6th flag thing. his statement says, while i had no role in last night's event, i

have heard about it from many people in the media today. it is weird and wrong to pledge allegiance to a flag connected to january 6th. as i have said many times before, the violence that has occurred on january 6th was sickening and wrong. is that good enough for you? that explanation? >> come on! how embarrassing is that. first of all, i have many rallies today all over virginia where i have surrogates doing events for me. if i find out that at one of my surrogate events that i'm not at, but it's a mcauliffe for governor event and they pledge allegiance to a flag that was literally there to incite riots and destroy our democracy, i'm not going to say, jonathan, it's weird, it's disgraceful, despicable, and i demand an apology. and he went out and actually praised the people who put the event together. he's a fraud! and listen, i'm the proud son of an army captain, the proud father of a marine captain. i have zero tolerance -- these

people ride to destroy the democracy and they're doing the pledge of allegiance at a glenn youngkin rally. despicable, disgraceful, unpatriotic, un-american, and he needs to come out much stronger and condemn it. and the idea that donald trump says he'll do whatever we tell him to do. mow that the supreme court abortion is gone in texas, we don't want a woman's right to choose taken away from us here in virginia. glenn youngkin will take it away, take money out of public school and put it in private. >> you brought up donald trump's name a couple of times now. i want to play a part of your ad that you have. because donald trump did call into that rally on wednesday. let's just play this. >> glenn youngkin is a great gentlemen. i hope glenn gets in there and he'll do all of the things that we want a governor.

>> i was honored to receive president trump's endorsement. >> and so, terry, you know, our mutual acquaintance and friend, "new york times" reporter jonathan martin, had a story in the paper yesterday about the lack of enthusiasm or seeming enthusiasm among democrats in virginia for the upcoming gubernatorial election. do you think that what you have in that add there and donald trump injecting himself into the virginia governor's race is going to be the fuel you need to get democrats out to vote? >> listen, i love j. martin. these reporters can write the same stories every four years. i could have told you months ago they would write this story about democratic enthusiasm. they just recycle them. the issue for us here in is that i'm getting for the $15 minimum

wage by 2024, for paid sick leave, for family medical leave. jonathan, those are the issues that when i was governor before created a record 200,000 new jobs, personal income went up 14%. i restored more voting rights than any governor in u.s. history. i leaned in to lift everybody up. record investments in education. that's what's driving folks. this weekend, the idea that we'll have 100,000 door knockers. i just released my finance report. $45 million since this campaign started. over 100,000 donors. i have seven times the number of donors that glenn youngkin has. he took this private equity money, where he was asked to leave the firm and took it, that's where his money. i have less 35 bucks, i don't know what enthusiasm is, but we are now with one state and people have woken up and said, oh, my goodness, look at the issues that are at state. we don't want to ban abortions. he has not for the things we care about. he said the single biggest issue

facing virginia today is election integrity. no, it's not, jonathan. it's jobs, it's education, it's health care. it's raising the minimum wage, it's paid sick days, it's family medical leave. that's why people are energized to come out and vote for terry mcauliffe. and we've had close to 400,000 people early vote. we've got a lot of excitement going on. >> terry, on this enthusiasm point, congressman eric swalwell put out a tweet that i don't know if you have a monitor there, but we'll put it up on the screen. someone has -- it's a picture of a baby yelling, looking like yelling into a phone, and the person has captured, congressman swalwell of california wrote, i need every virginian to vote for @terrymcauliffe or my future is blanked, exclamation point, with links to how people can vote. so terry mcauliffe, on that happy note, i want to thank you for coming back to "the sunday show." good luck on the campaign trail.

before i go, i want everyone to know that msnbc has reached out to mcauliffe's opponent, glenn youngkin numerous times for an interview and he has declined. terry, thank you again very much. up next, lots under attack in texas. abortion rights, voting rights, transgender student rights. even education. so what's really going on in the lone star state? state representative jasmine crockett is here to try to help make sense of it all. stay with us. all stay with us not just unpredictable relapses. all these other things too. it can all add up. kesimpta is a once-monthly at-home injection... that may help you put these rms challenges in their place. kesimpta was proven superior at reducing the rate of relapses, active lesions, and slowing disability progression vs aubagio. don't take kesimpta if you have hepatitis b, and tell your doctor if you have had it, as it could come back. kesimpta can cause serious side effects,

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♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ texas -- well, texas is a mess. a battle over redistricting underway after the republican-led state legislature advanced maps that would protect incumbents while diluting the power of black and hispanic voters, despite their growing numbers. and friday, the texas senate advanced a bill that would force trans student athletes to

compete based on their birth certificate sex rather than their gender identity. all of that as rights hang in limbo in texas. the biden administration says they'll once again ask the supreme court to intervene and block the state's draconian abortion law. joining me now, jasmine crockett. representative crockett, welcome back to "the sunday show." so what's up with your state? why all of these really horrible things being done to the people of texas. >> i have no idea, but i want to say really quickly, virginia, y'all need to go vote for terry. if y'all don't want to turn into texas, that is what y'all absolutely need to do. i just had to get that out. i love his energy and we absolutely do not need another greg abbott wannabe in these united states of america. you know, what people don't

understand about redistricting is that republicans almost put themselves into this terrible box where they want to make their districts as red as possible, but that makes sure that they end up with a primary opponent. and usually it's somebody, obviously, that's going to be super far right. and so right now everything that the republicans are doing has to do with trying out-right wing a potential opponent to make sure that they make it back. it's all about power. they don't care about people. all they care about is making sure that they can maintain that power to make sure that they can keep their pockets lined. we have so many trust fund babies that sit in the texas house and they are oil family trust fund babies. so people have to understand that there's a bigger mission that's at play behind the scenes. >> and you know, with one of the things that's been talked about a lot, you know, it's texas, but it has national implications, is the re-drawing of the congressional lines that pits

now congressman shelia jackson lee up against, i think it's up against congressman al green, up against congressman al green. "the texas tribune" was reporting that they might not be pitted against one another after all if a miracle can happen before tuesday. basically, their last-minute negotiations to try to undo this. but from what i understand, early this morning, the senate rejected those changes and has requested what's known as a conference committee. basically, you would have to some kind of agreement before the special session ends on tuesday. do i have all of that right? >> you do. so, the house, you know, in texas, the house is bad as well as the senate. but the senate is the worst. it's kind of like when we look on the federal level, right? the house gets things done. we may not necessarily be completely in love with what the house does, but the senate is always the blockade.

that's exactly what we have happening. in fact, when we saw that voting bill that we were able to kill, we were able to kill it because the senate decided that they want ed to make it worse. they sent in a conference committee and we were able to run out the clock. essentially what we have going on here is the clock may run out on them. i don't know. if the clock does run, we'll have to go back for another special session, but the house got it right. that's the only thing that we got right, to be perfectly honest. there were so many other common sense fixes that we needed to make. for instance, that we did get those two congressional seats and somehow they ended up being white majority seats. i don't know where they do their math, but clearly we need to work on the education in the state of texas, because we know that, yes, we had two additional seats that we were supposed to get, but they absolutely should have been going, at least one of them, to minorities. and so we know that in the north texas region, right there in the

dfw area, we should have picked up probably a hispanic opportunity seat. but we didn't do that. instead, we decided to fix what they had already broken in travis county, because we have people like chip roy representing travis county, which seems to be a little liberal. that's because they've chopped and screwed and cracked the line so bad in travis county, by saying, we'll nix travis county by fulling in one whole seat. the one thing we did do right is we unpaired shelia jackson lee on and al green on the house side of this map. of course, senator huffman, she would have to mess it up, so i'll be interested to see what the committee comes back with. >> with that, we'll have to leave it there. texas state representative jasmine crockett, thank you very

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the city's history. welcome to the sunday show. i apologize for getting your name wrong there. why are you running? >> that's quite all right. i'm just grateful for the opportunity to say hello to the viewers this morning and introduce myself. i'm a former boston public schools teacher, a small business owner, an at large city counselor focussed on important work of leading the city. i look forward to leading the city as mayor. i am also the daughter of an arab who told me when i was 15 years old that an arab impirl with an arab name will win nothing in this city, and it's about the work. it's about my experiences. and it's also to prove my 15-year-old self that i can do it. >> very inspiring message. especially the ad that we showed at the top of the show. and yet, i'm going to put up poll numbers here among likely among likely voters and this poll is from the boston

foundation wbur, october 6th through the 12th where michelle wu who was also in this segment a couple weeks ago, is leading you by two to one. for those -- and 16% undecided. how do you -- what's your message to particularly those undecideds, but maybe some squishy michelle wu supporters that you are the better choice to lead boston? >> i certainly love the term squishy when you use it on national news. it makes me smile. i was heading into the preliminary in september and i was polling at 4th place and so many of these polls. and polls don't vote. the most important poll is that on election day. and the people of boston will decide, and i have heard on the doors, i have heard in our neighborhoods, i have heard on front stairs and backyards and community meetings across our city, that i am the people of boston's choice to lead and do this work. certainly in partnership with them. i'm excited about the next two

weeks. and the opportunity to meet more boss tone yabs, more of our city's residents to talk about my commitment to them, this city, and my commitment to the work from public health to public education to public safety, housing, all of it. i'm excited to get to it. >> as i said in the intro, no matter what, in this election, come election day, boston is going to have a woman mayor and a woman mayor who is a person of color. just overall, how important is that, do you think, to the city of boston, the history of boston, the people of boston, that that's about to happen? >> yeah. and we talk a lot about use this phrase representation matters. representation matters for sure. i look forward to representing not just the arabs here in the city of boston and the polls here in the city of boston, but every bostonian, whether you

were born and raise heard as i am or immigrants as my parents were. this work is so important when we think about the people of boston. and also building a team. i'm committed to and will have to in the first few days of my term as mayor build a cabinet to work alongside and share the work, and for me, building a cabinet that's diverse and reflective of the city of boston to tul fill that promise of representation matters here in the city of boston is one of the most important things i can do. i believe in leadership. i believe in shared power and a cabinet that has the experience and the reflection of the city of boston will help me along in that work. >> we have ten seconds left. quickly, your website. >> annissaforboston.com. i'm surprised you haven't asked me to say the magical phrase. i'll be the mother and the teacher and the mayor to get this work done. >> i'm sorry.

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>> i was born at night, but not last night. so if i didn't accept the endorsement of a person that's got 91% of the republican voters in iowa, i wouldn't be too smart. >> good morning and welcome back to "the sunday show" i'm jonathan capehart. to hear senator chuck grassley tell it, only a fool wouldn't accept the endorsement of donald trump, but would only a fool accept the endorsement of a man who instigated the insurrection at the capitol. something grassley admitted days after january 6th. >> that type of insurrection is -- and the president's comments didn't help the matter any. they made it worse. >> that just goes to show that with just ore a year to go before the midterm elections, donald trump remains a powerful

political force in the republican campaign trail. so much so that a poll out this week found that 47% of republican voters picked trump as their choice for 2024 nominee. leading the second choice, former vice president mike pence by a whopping 35 points. joining me now, sophia nelson, a scholar and resident at christopher new port university. and former congressman and former 2020 presidential candidate, joe walsh, author of bleep silence. i can't say that word on sunday morning. good lord. thank you both very much for coming to the sunday show. congressman walsh, your first time after many times of trying to get you on the show. breaking news in the way. we've talked about it earlier in the show, the nrcc fundraiing email that went out.

i want to read it to everyone. it's full on nuts. it said you abandoned trump. we were told you were a tried and true life-long patriot, but when trump said he'd run for president if we took back the house from nancy pelosi, you did nothing. was trump wrong about you? what -- joe? congressman walsh? please explain. you're a traitor if you don't support donald trump? >> jonathan, that works, and by the way, it's great to finally be on with you, but i've got to be honest, i don't know why you're having me on, because i'm a big downer these days. look, the entire base of one of our two major political parties has been completely radicalized. there are no longer dr they're no longer living in the world of basic truths, and they don't

want to accept our democracy. jonathan, because i come from that world, i come from the world of the trump supporter and the base, i still speak with hundreds of them every single day. they don't believe joe biden won. and here we are, and jonathan, nine months removed from an insurrection, an attack against our government. and the base doesn't believe january 6th was a big deal at all. they're completely radicalized. it's scary. >> and you know, to that point, i'm going to play what fiona hill had to say last week on cbs about her view of the insurrection. you recall she testified during the first trump impeachment. >> this is exactly the thing that you think of historically in revolutions, storming the bastille during the french revolution. storming the winter palace during the russian revolution that general milley was alluding

to. we've seen many historic episodes where there is violence. people discount it. they think this is just a passing occurrence, you know, vice president pence has been down playing it, even though he was targeted. they wanted to lynch him. and then people sweeping this away saying nothing happened here and the next time around, you get the real thing. this was in effect a dress rehearsal for something that could be happening near-term in 2022, 2024. >> right. she calls it a dress rehearsal. there's the joke out there, what do you call a failed coupe, practice? congressman walsh said your former party is radicalized. can it be unradicalized? or is it too late? >> so two things. first, good morning to you both. joe, it's great to see you. joe may be a downer in his opinion, but i'm an optimist. i'll tell you why. it's because i've watched joe's

evolution and if joe can go from a conservative person who was pro donald trump and open his eyes and over the last four years see where this was all headed, become a vocal critic, become one who is standing up for this country and this democracy, then others can do it too. to the second question as to whether or not this party can be saved, it cannot be saved. i've been saying this for a few years now. we were always going to end up here. what we should focus on now is not really having segments like this where we talk about what charles grassley who should retire is doing relative to donald trump. we should be focussed on building the next great new party of republicans like myself and joe and others who are centrist and conservatives who have common sense and believe in fiscal responsibility, voting rights and other things that are just basic common american values. we should be kwo focussed on how we're going to get into versus

talking about donald trump and his ilk, because this is not going away. i do think there will be more violence and more insurrection. i'm not sure if it will happen at the capitol or in states around the country, but i think we're in a difficult place, and we need leaders to stand up. the only way forward is for good men and women to stand up and do something and to realize this republican party is gone, and they're going to have to come up with something else. >> and to that point, well, to sophia's point, but more to your point, joe, about the party being radicalized, i was a way last -- i missed this. marjorie taylor greene did a twitter poll. should america have a national divorce? great. the fact you have a sitting member of congress actually asking the question, should the

united states -- joe? >> well, jonathan, and i'm with you. by the way to my friend, sophia, let me respectfully disagree. i think it's so important to do segments like this, jonathan, because the country needs to know what we're up against. let me go back again. we have two major political parties. one of our two major political parties is anti-democratic. they no longer believe in democracy. that kind of lunacy, that kind of danger, jonathan, to your credit, needs to be pointed out every day. every nutty thing that marjorie taylor greene says needs to be broadcast. every nutty thing and dangerous thing that donald trump says needs to put out there. jonathan, to defeat this, because trump is not going away. sophia is right. all the conservatives and moderates and liberals have to

come together to defeat it. we need to know every crazy, dangerous undemocratic thing these people say every day. >> can i push back? at the end of the day you're preaching to the choir. on msnbc and cnn and other networks, you have the same people. on that other network, they're not watching the segments and looking at joe and they don't care what we think. they think we're the lunatics. yes, i'm not saying we shouldn't talk about it. you know i agree that we should. i'm just saying that i'm more interested in what we do about it and how we do something that moves us forward so that we have two great political parties instead of just one party that we're all going to have to coalesce around and kind of for people like me, i mean, i was a republican for 20-some years. i'd like to vote for sane republicans. i'm tired of voting for democrats because i have to. i'd like an option is my point. >> uh-huh. i was going to say this segment has been -- become a staple,

joe, because of the insight and fire and heat that sophia nelson has brought to the segment every time. and i just also want to say that sophia mentioned your evolution, joe as someone who is a full on republican to now ringing the bell. i don't know how many people out there recall. you and i have fought on television many times in the past. so the fact that we are on screen right now together shows that evolution is a thing. thank you both. >> yes. and jonathan, it shows that you and i are locking arms to save democracy. >> absolutely. >> former congressman joe walsh, sophia nelson, thank you for coming to the sunday show. moments ago former president bill clinton left uc irvine medical center in orange, california after being hospitalized on tuesday reportedly for an infection that

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the president is eager to get things done for the american people and to deliver on what he's promised. and so as i said yesterday, the time for negotiations is not unending. and we're eager to move forward. we're eager to deliver on what he promised the american people. >> with the white house eager to reach a deal, it seems the administration is ready to drop

even key provisions from the build back better plan. multiple sources say the bill's clean energy program will most likely be dropped because of opposition from you guessed it, this guy. democrats are now considering a tax on carbon instead. joining me now to sound off on this and more of the biggest news of the week, jennifer reuben, she's the author of "resistance, how women saved democracy from donald trump". also john brez in a han, and renee graham, columnist and associate editor for the boston globe. thank you all for coming back to the sunday show. okay. brez, we got to talk about this. folks, by folks i mean democrats, and specifically climate change -- democrats for

climate change, their number one issue. the fact that joe manchin is getting his way on this reportedly is enraging. but talk about where things truly stand right now, and whether democrats negotiating among themselves will actually come up with a plan and a bill that can be voted on by october 31st. >> i would say right now probably not. i was talking to folks in the house and senate leadership this morning. they're not that close to a deal. and i do think there's -- you know, i -- let's talk about manchin and sinema for a while. there's so much attention on them, and there should be, but they're not the only issue here. there's a huge gulf between house and senate democrats on sanders' plan to expand medicare to cover health, dental and vision programs.

opposing that is that house democrats want to make obama care subsidies permanent. they want to expand medicate. there's a huge difference there which is a huge ramifications. so manchin is a big issue. sinema is a big issue. there's a lot of other problems democrats have right now. >> right. well, let's just -- renee, stick with the joe manchin situation here, because senator bernie sanders, chairs senate banking. i mean, he -- well, he put out -- he did an op ed in the charleston gazette, the west virginia newspaper. poll after poll shows support for this legislation, yet, the political problem we face is in a 50/50 senate we need every democratic senator to vote yes. we have only 48. two democratic senators are in opposition, including senator

joe manchin, democrat, west virginia. manchin responded to the sanders' op ed saying this isn't the first time an out of staters has tried to tell west virginians what is best for them despite having no relationship to our state. no op ed from a self-declared independent socialist is going to change that. oh, the bern. renee. >> what i find interesting is joe manchin is so deeply offended this outsider, the senator from vermont, would try to tell west virginians what is best for them while joe manchin is trying to tell 49 other states what's best for them. the hypocrisy is off the charts with this man. he doesn't want a clean energy bill. of course he doesn't. he's dirty coal joe. he wants to make sure all the good money he has coming in from coal in west virginia keeps

coming in and there's no way he's going to compromise that for something as in his mind minute as saving the planet and helping the environment. it's appalling that joe manchin is kind of swarming around as if the country elected him president and he is the person who is going to have a say in what goes in this country and what happens in this country. there has to be some repercussion for this. i don't know at this point exactly what that pushback is, but i think simply kowtowing to joe manchin and sinema, for that matter, is not the way to go. >> i want to correct myself. senator bernie sanders is a chairman of the senate budget committee, not banking, budget committee. but jennifer, you're a former republican. you are a conservative. you have come at these issues from a different vantage point. your view of what is happening in these negotiations, democrats to democrats. and do you think democrats are

getting too much power to the likes of manchin and sinema in all of this? >> well, first of all, i have to disagree with john. if it weren't for these two senators, we'd have a deal. whatever differences the house democrats and house senators had, they would solve them in a nano second. joe biden would get in a room and they would make compromises. the issue is sinema and joe manchin. this is what happens when you have a 50/50 senate. everybody has the veto power, and there is very little, actually, that democrats can do to force manchin to agree. and hence i have a unique situation and a unique suggestion, and that is get whatever you can on whatever minimal energy policy you can do, and include voting infrastructure in this bill. joe manchin has a bill that the senate republicans are ready to filibuster. there are many items in there with financial ramifications and in any case, they could overrule

the parliamentarian. fold that into this bill, and progressives will not be pleased about the clean energy business, but they would be pleased to get anything on voting. i think we have to look at those smart compromises and figure out what we can get out of joe manchin that would perhaps compensate for his very rigid stance which is really completely outside the mainstream of the democratic party. >> okay, brez, you have the floor. you were jumping in saying nope, not -- nodding vigorously no at the beginning of -- really, for everything that jennifer was saying. your response? >> well, i'm up on the hill every day. i'm telling you that it's not -- this is -- manchin and sinema are huge issue, of course, and i agree with jennifer that there's ways you could incentivize joe manchin and sinema. i agree. but they are categorically --

they are huge -- there are huge differences beyond this. they're not that close, and it's not joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are not blocking -- they're not the problem on medicaid versus medicare expansion. they're part of the issue but they're not the only ones. there's house moderates. the other thing is there are moderates in the senate democratic caucus who get to hide behind manchin and sinema because they're so public. >> brez, wait, let's name some names. no who are these other people? i know, i know it's not just sinema and manchin. >> right. >> well, you look at the house energy and commerce committee. they had a vote on medicare prescription drugs, and there were a number of -- there were three democrats who voted against that. look at the house ways and means committee, skefny murphy of florida voted against the ways and means committee tax portion

of the reconciliation. there's a number of these house moderates who don't like it. and in the senate, there are other senate democrats who don't like the medicare prescription drug issue. now, that's $700 billion the democrats need on the medicare provision. there's a lot. and on medicaid, the house democrats are much more in favor -- there's a lot of them who want medicare for all, but they really want to make the obama medicare subsidies permanent. this is something speaker pelosi is interested in. there's a big ideological difference here, and they haven't resolved it. i agree with jennifer. the president has to knock some heads together. i think this week is a really critical week for democrats in terms of getting things done. >> we got a lot more to talk about. and the conversation is going to continue with this fantastic panel when we come back. don't go anywhere. e come back. don't go anywhere.

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my guests are back with me. renee, well, we're all going to talk about january 6th right now. i want to play president biden on the south lawn of the white house on friday what he had to say about congressional subpoenas. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> what's your message to people who defy congressional subpoenas on the jam 6th committee? >> i hope that the committee goes after them and holds them accountable. >> do you think they should be prosecuted? >> i do, yes. >> re -- renee, you have the president of the united states saying people should be -- >> how surprised are you that the president is clear on this issue? >> i'm thrilled that he's clear on this issue. i don't think there's any leeway to be murky about this. my beloved mother used to say a hard head makes a soft behind. meaning, abide by the rules or

face the consequences. there were never kobs kwebss all the time there were congressional subpoenas served on the trump administration. you know, steve bannon is free to choose whether or not to cooperate, but there has to be consequences and the consequences are going to be charges on either you show up or face the charges. that's it. nothingless that be democracy and the rule of law. and democrats can't flinch or blink. it's time for less barking and more biting. >> and you know, jennifer, in addition to being an op ed columnist at "the washington post," you're also by degree a lawyer, not practicing but you are a lawyer. i want to read this letter from bannon's attorney, steve bannon's attorney to bennie thompson, the chair of the select committee. mr. bannon's position is not in defiance of the committee's subpoena. rather, mr. bannon noted that president trump's counsel stated they're invoking executive and other privileges and directed us not to produce -- to produce

documents or give testimony that might reveal information president trump's counsel seeks to legally protect. mr. bannon will revisit his position if president trump's position changes or if a court rules on this manner. okay, can we be clear? steve bannon is not covered under executive privilege. he wasn't even a member of the executive branch anymore because he got fired in 2017, but go on. >> and president biden has the executive privilege, not expresident trump. other than that, they got a great claim. they're out of luck. this is horse hockey. i think president biden is right to say there have to be consequences. and i think as soon as one of them finds out that there are consequences and steve bannon is looking at either jail time or civil fines or both, he's going to be confronted with an interesting question. if he gets called, does he take the fifth amendment?

that's going to be quite a spectacle, or does he simply testify? and i think a lot of witnesses, maybe even president trump, is going to be confronted with that question. and for those who say oh, this is going to drag out forever, it really isn't. and by the way, on this one issue, the supreme court has already spoken. they are not inclined to give presidents any kind of leeway, let alone expresidents. president trump, if you recall, was ordered to produce all of his financial records, his claims of absolute privilege were rejected. he's not even going to get help from the supreme court, no matter how docile they are. >> brez, you're up on the hill every day talking to folks. how surprised are you that the select committee actually did something as severe as saying you know what? we're going for criminal contempt. i mean, congress isn't known at least in recent years as being a

place where courage and conviction and doing the hard things actually happen. >> yeah. i think this is important, a very important moment. i was a little surprised about biden's comment just -- not the nature of his comment, but just that we have had so much criticism with trump interfering with the department when he was president. i'm surprised president biden came out this strongly, but i think this is very important, and i think you have a very united select committee. i think the democratic leadership is very united that, you know, and i think jennifer's point is very an ra poe here. i mean, bannon was not part of the executive branch here. i mean, he was not. at the time that the january 6th and his conversations with former president trump on january 5th which is what we're talking about here and leading up to the insurrection, he

was -- he had talked to trump and other trump administration officials. i mean, he's not covered by executive privilege in any way that i can see. i think this is important. the question is really what trump is trying to do is run out the clock on the january 6th select committee. and they need to move as quickly as they can on this. >> and brez, how worried are republicans on capitol hill about the work of the select committee? i mean, there are only two republicans on the committee. very outspoken republicans. congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming and adam kinzinger of ohio, and correct me if i'm wrong if i don't have the state right, but that's it. are republicans on the hill sort of securying around in fear over the power of this committee, especially since they're getting tens of millions of documents as part of their investigation to find out what happened?

>> yeah. republicans hate the select committee. i mean, there was -- they tried to make a deal on, you know, timing and then mccarthy, kevin mccarthy, house minority leader rejected it and the senate republicans -- they wanted a bipartisan commission that dealt with this in a bipartisan way, and now they forced democrats' hands. i mean, what they are concerned about is clearly the committee is trying to get phone records. the committee is trying to get other communications from these -- from telecoms companies involving republican lawmakers. that's what they're worried about. they're not worried about steve bannon and trump. they're worried about what their complicity is. i think they're concerned about this and want to fight it, and you're going to see mccarthy and any of the house republicans or senate republicans, if their records are subpoenaed, if they go after them, they're going to fight it. they've going to try to drag this out in court. they're worried about it.

they're worried about it, but they think they can politically discredit. the mueller investigation is their play book, and they're going to attack the select committee that way. >> one of the perils of going on vacation even for a week is that all of your knowledge goes out the window, of course. congressman adam kinzinger is a congressman from illinois. illinois. quickly, renee, how important is it to you or how important do you think it is to the american people that the select committee if they find they need to, call donald trump to testify? >> i think you call everyone you need to. i don't -- look, donald trump does not have executive privilege. he doesn't. i don't care what he says. it is important to get the answers. the core of this investigation is accountability. and i don't know how you get to that without putting donald trump under oath. and getting him to testify. so if it comes to that, and i'm sure democrats don't want to do it because they feel like it

will be a distraction. what's a distraction, not knowing who knew what when on january 6th. that's what people need to find out. everything else is a distraction. not the truth. >> here here on that. we got to go take another break. when we come back, my panel and i will sound off to the other sunday shows. keep it right here. sunday shows keep it right here age before beauty? why not both? visibly diminish wrinkled skin in... crepe corrector lotion... only from gold bond.

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>> well, i hope for democrat gridlock. often times in washington gridlock is a better -- when it's democratic gridlock, pray for it. i hope that's what happened. >> while democrats struggle over the build back better plan, one republican senator is watching with glee. or not. there was supposed to be another stop, but whatever. the panel is back, jennifer, brez, and renee. that's ron johnson, senator from wisconsin. that i know i got right. i want to play something else, senator johnson said in that same interview about vaccines. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> it's not an irrational decision for people to say i don't want to take this experimental vaccine. another point is the fact that

the only fda approved drug, the version of the pfizer drug, i do not believe is widely available. >> they're going to be making big membership on vaccines and drugs, pfizer and moderna on the vaccines and merck on this drug as well. what happens to ooifr mekten? >> well, there's not money in it. >> wait. what? a horse dewormer? [ laughter ] >> jennifer, since you're right next to me in this screen, what in the entire -- what's he talking about? >> he's talking about nothing. and this is complete crap coming from him. he never used to be this insane. he was a businessman. and for years he operated like a kind of fiscal conservative, sort of normal republican, but no more. he has jumped upon the trump train, and let me be perfectly

clear tomorrow from a republican president, he is killing people. people listen to them. they are dissuaded from taking a life-saving vaccine. he is contributing to death. he is not pro-life. he's helping to kill people, and he should be ashamed. i would hope the people of wisconsin if he decides to run for reelection, he hasn't quite decided, throw him out on his ear. we're reduced to one party willing for people to die so they can pay homage to this lunatic and keep their seats. it's nothing short of disgraceful. >> and brez, in terms of just -- to jennifer's point, senator johnson wasn't always like this. what's the view of him on the hill? >> you know, his comments, he's been doing this for months. he's been doing it a long time. his comment is anti-vaccine.

he's questioning the science behind vaccines. he's questioning -- talking about all this stuff. he's been doing this for a while, and he's made some really, really poorly thought out comments. he's really -- you know, i mean, he -- you know, it just seems like he's -- the more he's criticized on it, the more he digs. and let's also be -- let's also point out here that people are giving him platforms to do this. and i think that's also -- you know, i mean, but it is stunning to see a u.s. senator, a national political leader making these kind of comments where a year and a half into a pandemic that killed over 720,000 americans, and you know, and you just kind of shake your head and say, you know, it's kind of surprising in a disappointing way to see him keep making this.

>> yeah. renee, i want to switch gears, because earlier in the show i interviewed texas state representative jazmine crock et. we were talking about you know, the mess that is texas on a host of issues. watch -- this is the very first thing she says in response to my question about what is happening in texas. >> virginia, y'all need to go vote for terry. if you don't want to turn into texas, that is what y'all absolutely need to do. i just had to get that out. love his energy, and we absolutely do not need another gregg abbott want to be in these united states of america. >> virginia, y'all don't want to be another -- don't want to turn into another texas. one of the things that's out there, renee, is this idea that democrats are not enthusiastic about the democratic nominee,

terry mcauliffe. there's a story yesterday for jonathan martin with that headline, although the story was a little bit more positive. a source in virginia, political source in virginia texted me after that segment, saying there absolutely is an enthusiasm problem in virginia. how worried do you think democrats should be about the gubernatorial race in virginia? >> well, i think if the mcauliffe campaign is smart, they'll take her words and use it as a campaign slogan. don't be texas n. don't be texas. i think it's interesting. because this is an off year, but this is a race a lot of people are paying attention to, and i have to believe that democrats and virginians understand exactly what's at stake. and if we're not seeing it now, hopefully the urgency will get there at the ballot box. we're heading into a direction

where they can have the same catastrophic decisions texas is making. we can't afford this. if it happens in virginia, it's going to happen in another state. then where would we be? i can appreciate the fact that right now democrats might not feel particularly ener skriezed by their candidate, but i think they will be engaged by saving their future. and i think nothing less is at stake. >> and brez, how worried are congressional democrats about the virginia race? do they -- do they see it as an omen if he were to lose, that that is the first sign that a wave is coming and they're going to be wiped out? >> absolutely. they absolutely are concerned about it. all the veteran democrats who lived through the tea party in 2009, 2010 when there was a republican wipeout in the first med term under president obama, they see this -- remember in

2009 mcdonald won in virginia. democrats lost ted kennedy's senate seat shortly after that. i mean, they -- you know, for them the parallels of 2009 are there. the reconciliation negotiations are dragging out just like obama care dragged out. they're worried about virginia, you know, a candidate who is -- has been elected statewide, but there is an enthusiasm gap here. so they are very concerned about this. and you see this with president obama going to virginia and stacey abrams going to virginia, pelosi is going to be doing events in virginia. so they're concerned about it big time. >> yeah. stacey abrams and terry mcauliffe are going to be campaigning today for the first polls event in virginia's history. this is the first time folks will be able to early vote in virginia on a sunday. that is happening today. and yes, president obama will be

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tucker carlson, the grand dragon of fox news primetime, deviated from his usual flocking of the racist, white replacement theory to go after transportation secretary pete buttigieg. secretary pete and his husband adopted twins back in august. that buttigieg took paternity leave to care for his premature babies really bothered carlson. >> pete buttigieg as been on

leave from his job since august on paternity leave. >> carlson, the real-life embodiment of the smug and entitled chain patten in white lotus, works for a company that offers six weeks of paternity leave to its employees. even the odious fox news oes jesse waters proclaims himself, quote, pro paternity after the birth of his third child back in april. that line about trying to figure out how to breast feed is all kinds of homophobic, but i'm hardly surprised that carlson would say such a thing. growing up gay, it was always the toxic and insecure carlson types who were quick to question my masculinity or even my humanity if i appeared to stray from their cramped view of what it means to be a man or seem to be not like them in some way. and carlson's contemption remark is especially ridiculous, laughable even, when you

consider this observation from joy behar from the view. she said pete buttigieg saved six years in the navy reserve and was deployed in afghanistan. tucker carlson was booted off "dancing with the stars" after he couldn't even do the cha-cha. my editorial point, what a loser. with the arrival of penelope rose and joseph august buttigieg, the world has two new people who will live by the values they embody, hard work, service, sacrifice, empathy, humility, integrity, resilience, gratitude. values carlson neither possesses nor knows anything about. i'm jonathan capehart, and this has been the sunday show. ♪

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a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. we're approaching high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking news. former president bill clinton has just been released from a california hospital after dealing with a very serious infection since early last week. nbc's emily is joining us with the latest on what's ahead for the former president. good day to you. what do we know? how is he doing? >> hey there, alex.

the 42nd president is back on his feet and heading home to new york where he's expected to continue treatment. he was seen leaving uc irvine medical center around 8:00 a.m. in southern california with his wife and former secretary of state hillary clinton on his arm. he gave a thumbs up and then proceeded down a line of health care workers, shaking their hands. his doctor releasing a statement this morning reading in part, his fever and white blood cell count are normalized, adding, on behalf of everyone at uc irvine medcon center, we were honored to have treated himd and will continue to monitor his progress. he was admitted last tuesday and diagnosed with a your logical infection that spread to his blood stream. he was treated with antibiotics intravenously rather than orally, and that extended his stay at the hospital. the 75-year-old was in town, in southern california, for a private clinton foundation event. his unexpected stay at the hospital, five nights, now