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last hour, thank you. we have a lot going on this hour. the latest on a group of americans, including kids kidnapped in haiti. we are also keeping an eye on fairfax, virginia, where terry mcauliffe is set to hold a campaign event with stacey abrams in a down to the wire governors race there. how low is too low. progressives starting to choke on the reconciliation demands making joe manchin and kyrsten sinema happy. i'll ask representative brendan boyle whether there's a limit to his patience with this process. plus, the clock is ticking down to a crucial vote this week on the process of holding steve bannon in criminal contempt of congress. >> we're not messing around here. we're moving very expeditiously. to me this is an early sign of whether our democracy is recovering. >> this, you know, potential criminal contempt referral for steve bannon is the first shot over the bow. it's very real, but don't think
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you're going to be able to just kind of walk away and we're going to forget about you. we're not. >> don't expect a quick process on what's already a slow-moving investigation on the january 6th insurrection. we'll talk about that as well. also this hour, the town that kanye west is abandoning, the mega star and his then-wife hit a small town with force and promised to leave an economic revival. but now he's quietly walking away. we'll talk to a local reporter about the superstar reporter coming up. we begin this hour on capitol hill where negotiations over president biden's build back better agenda remain contentious. moderates like joe manchin insisting the price tag is still too high and are fighting against the key climate action programs. meanwhile you have progressives refusing to cede more ground in negotiations and claiming something is no longer better than nothing. with me now to talk more about this and his regulator, jonathan allen, senior political reporter at nbc news digital and author
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of "lucky: how joe biden barely won the presidency." great to see you returning with your beautiful back drop. let's get into this piece because it's a super interesting one. and i guess the key question here out of this piece is, is it on progressives to really sink this thing or get it over the finish line? >> it's absolutely on them to get it over the finish line. if they fail to come to an agreement, then they will sink it. you basically got a group of policy ideas that are supported by progressives and the question is, are they going to get all of them or some of them or none of them. what you got both in the house and senate is renewed urgency from a lot of progressive members, not necessarily the most vocal of them, but they want to make sure they get something done and do not lose this opportunity altogether. on the other hand, you have some of the more vocal progressives, senator bernie sanders,
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congresswoman pramila jayapal, whose view, as she stated and you said it earlier, is that something is not necessarily better than nothing. i think if they take that attitude for a long time, they will end up with nothing. >> let me actually expand on pramila jayapal's quote that you just mentioned. for folks to get a broad understanding of what exactly she said. she said this on a call with advocates saying progressives have no intention of backing down on the social spending bill but which includes a medicare expansion. a lot of people asked, isn't something better than nothing? and the answer quite simply is no because when it comes to something rather than nothing, it is the same people who are forced to settle for nothing over and over and over again. jonathan allen, she could feasibly have a point there, but if, in fact, they settle for nothing, what do folks stand to lose here? what do democrats stand to lose? >> well, i mean, on the pay for
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side, they're losing taxing wealthier people, whether you're talking about corporations, people making over $400,000. so they're losing out on that, something they wanted to do for a long time. they're losing out on an expansion in medicare to cover vision, dental, and hearing. they're losing out on climate change initiatives. they're losing out on public housing expansion. i mean, you know, you go through the list, child care, free college tuition for community colleges. that's the point is that all of these things are things progressives want, and so it seems odd that they would look and say there's 15 or 20 of them and say we don't want the 10 if we can't get the 20, because this is not a compromise between liberals and conservatives across the country. it's not like there's a republican portion of this bill. this is all things that the left wants. >> let me just play for you
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quickly representative talking about what progressives are actually getting here or the fraction they're getting. >> there is kind of a renewed understanding both with progressives and moderates that we have to get done what we can get done, that taking 80% of what we want is a pretty good victory at this point. >> is it fair to say progressives will get 80% of what they want or is it too soon to tell? >> i think it's unlikely they'll get 80% of what they want. senator manchin has a pivotal vote. he said his number is $1.5 trillion. there was a suggestion from others he might get up to $2 trillion and they're still talk less than 80% of the $3.5 trillion. and the question, then, is, you know, which of these items either get reduced in terms of their size or in terms of the length of time that they would
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be put into law for. and right now the problem is no one really wants to make that choice. president biden doesn't want to get blamed for giving up on some of the things, speaker pelosi doesn't want to get blamed for it. chuck schumer doesn't want to get blamed for it. at some point there's going to be a triage to cut things down to satisfy manchin and sinema in the senate or they will decide not to legislate. >> at some point, we're two weeks out at this point. seems like we're nowhere closer than we were two weeks ago. >> you nailed it. >> thank you, always great to see you, my friend. enjoy the rest of this beautiful fall day. thank you. to get his reaction to the latest on the reconciliation fight, i do want to bring in democratic congressman brendan boyle of pennsylvania, member of the progressive caucus and the budget committee.
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great to see you, let's talk about progressives may very well sink this thing if they continue to demand all of the things that they want following pramila jayapal's lead and saying maybe nothing is better than something in a way, that something is not enough. >> well, first, thanks for having me back. great to be with you again. i have to say i am more optimistic than i think the tenor of the conversation you just had. the overwhelming majority of us on the democratic side of the aisle, whether we're the most progressive member or the most moderate member or somewhere in between, we recognize that we have to deliver on both of these bills, period. we have to deliver for the american people, especially those who voted for us on these things we campaigned for, but also, frankly, politically it would be a disaster if we didn't pass both of these bills.
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so with that in mind, i have to say, i'm quite optimistic that we will get this done. i think most of my colleagues are in a spirit of compromise, recognizing that even at a figure below $3.5 trillion, some of these legislation is truly historic like paid family leave or subsidized child care or universal pre-k. i would rather focus on the substance of things i'm highly confident will in the end be in the bill than obsess over this top-line figure. >> are you telling me that there have been conversations inside the democratic party that possibly there would be a willingness to pass hard infrastructure on its own, and then continue to negotiate the reconciliation bill, the soft
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infrastructure portion of this so as not to hold up both bills throughout the process. >> oh, i think it's quite clear as president biden said front of house democrats a couple weeks ago that it's either -- well, the reality is it's going to be both bills. in order to get the infrastructure bill through the house, you would have to have maybe not the build back better act pass, but at least an agreement of all the relevant parties that we're on the same page. i do think that is a necessary ingredient in order to get both of them done. >> got it. so let's talk the nitty-gritty quickly. congressman, from your understanding and what you know, this price tag is going to be significantly cut as we've been talking about. at one point this thing was $6 trillion when first proposed. then it was down to $3.5 trillion. now we're looking at more of a $1.9 trillion to $2.2 trillion range. so when we get to that range at
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that point, what's going to be cut here? every time i have a member of the progressive caucus on my show, they tell me from their perspective everything is integral to this bill, everything is important, everything is something that americans need. so what is it that we're you're willing to cut here to get this thing over the finish line? >> first, the $1.9 trillion to $2.2 trillion figure is what president biden himself mentioned a couple times when he spoke to house democrats, when he spoke to us, came to the hill a few weeks ago. i think most of us are realistic that it will not be the $3.5 trillion. but there are a lot of different shapes or forms that you could take in order to get the overall price tag down. for example, paid family and sick leave. i already voted for that as a member of the house ways and means committee. we voted that out of committee about a month ago fully paid for, by the way, at 12 weeks.
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now, i believe that paid family and paid sick leave will have to be in the final legislation, but you could see where cutting perhaps 12 weeks to 9, i'm throwing that out there as an example, that would be a way in which it would still survive and be meaningful, but you would obviously be bringing down the overall price tag. when it comes to child care, the way that it's subsidized, keeping a mind that child care and universal pre-k both kind of have to go together because one has an impact on the other. what i'm saying is that ultimately there is actually a way that a number of these very important things get into the legislation. they're just tailored perhaps differently with a shorter time frame. >> all right. congressman brendan boyle, thank you for joining us on this sunday afternoon as always. we appreciate it. great to see you again. we are still following the breaking news from haiti where a group of 17 missionaries, three
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of them children, have been kidnapped by a gang in port-au-prince. the organization now releasing a statement about the abduction. nbc's sam brock has more on this. >> reporter: yasmin, good afternoon. good to be with you. we have late breaking details about that abduction, which initially u.s. state department had only confirmed reports of, not the actual kidnapping but do christian aid ministries, the ohio-based nonprofit is posting on its website there were 17 people kidnapped from within their ranks, 16 american citizens, one canadian citizen, five men, seven women, and five children as part of that statement they say join us in praying for those being held hostage. the kidnappers and the families, friends, and churches of those affected. absolutely devastating news. we are also learning the associated press speaking with haitian police who are confirming it is the exact same group, 400 miwoso that kidnapped priests and nuns a few months
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ago. these are the conditions right now that haitians are dealing with in the aftermath of government dysfunction and earthquakes and assassinations. the country's president assassinated over the summer. we spoke to a woman who runs an orphanage and she discusses what they have to do to get people out safely. >> we have to be very carefully because you just never know what's going to happen and when it's going to happen. you can tell from what happened yesterday with the missionaries. so we're here. we're trying to help the people of haiti because the help is needed, and the need is there. but it's just very scary at the same time because you want to do something right and then to see other people preventing from you doing what you're trying to do. >> reporter: here in miami there's going to be a protest in a matter of hours of people condemning the united states for deporting a number of haitians who showed up at the texas border a few weeks ago trying to escape this violence and also
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calling for u.s. intervention in this matter. the u.s. state department hasn't confirmed anything and the white house has yet to officially weigh in. back to you. >> thank you to sam brock. coming up, transportation secretary pete buttigieg says he will not apologize for taking paternity leave after the birth of his two adopted children. some on the right are criticizing and belittling that decision. >> when somebody welcomes a new child into their family and goes on leave to take care of that child, that's not a vacation. it's work. bringing out the heavy hitters. democrat stacey abrams campaigning with terry mcauliffe right now in the tight virginia governors race dependence republican glenn youngkin. president obama on deck for mcauliffe this week. will the star power pull it out for the democrat? we'll look at that next. got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual
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welcome back. you're watching live pictures out of fairfax, virginia, where democratic star stacey abrams is set to speak any moment now. she among other democratic heavy hitters are out in full force campaigning for terry mcauliffe. in the final weeks of the consequential virginia governors race. for more, i want to bring in sean sullivan, politics reporter at "the washington post." i want to read a bit from your piece talking about kind of the heavy weights that mcauliffe marched out in these final days of this election.
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as the democratic cavalry marches into virginia, one name is conspicuously missing, president biden. mcauliffe allies fear biden's declining approval ratings are hurting the democratic nominee while mcauliffe has in some ways distanced himself from biden and recently declared the president unpopular in virginia. do you really think here -- re"r" we seeing declining poll numbers from the president, hence the reason why he's staying away from this race? >> i think there's a lot of worry right now among the allies and the broader democratic party that the president's broader struggles when it comes to his approval rating overall nationally and in virginia, those broader struggles are taking a toll on mcauliffe. if you look at the polls in virginia right now, we're looking at a really tight race, and we have seen a lot of top democrats, you know, sort of a who's who of the democratic party right now from former
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president obama to stacey abrams to the first lady, jill biden, but we haven't seen a specific date or event set yet for president biden. and there's an open question right now, i think, among democrats, which is is he more helpful or is he more hurtful to mcauliffe and his campaign. mcauliffe says he'll be back. the white house and white house officials i talked to have been a bit cagey about this and haven't been publicly committing to anything. so there's a big looming question here in the final weeks of the race, when and where are we going to see president biden and does he help or hurt mcauliffe's campaign given his declining popularity right now? >> it's interesting because both of the candidates in this race have kind of kept the leaders of their respective parties at a healthy distance. youngkin doing the same thing with former president donald trump, accepting his, embracing his endorsement, using some of his talking points, but not
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fully embracing kind of the donald trump mantra, understanding that if he does, he may very well alienate the suburban voters that decidedly went to joe biden in 2020. with that being said, what are the key talking points, the key issues for both of these candidates? >> when you look at what's been debated in this race, what is on the airwaves right now in these ads which both sides are spending millions of dollars on the airwaves, you're hearing about education, crime, and the economy. when you look at the mcauliffe campaign right now, there's a real urgency on that side, even though that is gullible race in virginia, a state race, there's a real urgency from the part of mcauliffe and his campaign. they're urging democrats in d.c. to get something done. we've seen democrats in congress and the president right now sort of stalled when it comes to this infrastructure bill, when it comes to this plan to expand the social safety net, and we heard
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repeatedly from governor mcauliffe, look, it's time for action. so you're seeing mcauliffe prod his own party. you're right, on the other side when it comes to glenn youngkin, he really is trying to walk a tightrope right now because you're seeing a lot of attack ads right now from the mcauliffe campaign branding glenn youngkin as an ally of trump, as basically a clone of trump. and so what he's trying to do is this difficult balancing act where he is not openly on the campaign trail every day saying nice things about donald trump, but he's not disavowing him either and he knows he will need the trump base. both candidates right now doing sort of a balancing act, and the issues we're seeing in virginia, these are really the issues we see in a lot of battlegrounds around the country. a lot of republican and democratic strategist look at this as a dry run for the midterm elections. what will people think about the pandemic? vaccine mandate is another issue
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that has been a central focus in this race. you have mcauliffe saying he favors it, youngkin saying he doesn't. a lot to preview. >> sean sullivan, thank you. we'll be watching. that's for sure. up next, everybody, they've heard testimony and served subpoenas, but what is the time line for the house committee's investigation on january 6th? could legal fights like the looming vote over criminal contempt for steve bannon slow things down even more? our expert panel is with us after a quick break.
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welcome back. the time for investigating the investigation, a crucial vote to hold steve bannon for criminal intent is two days away. but the push to obtain information related to the capitol hill attack has been like pulling teeth so far. the vote to form the committee took place on june 30th, and since then there's been just one
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public hearing with police officers that were on the front lines on january 6th. the only other movements have been record requests and multiple subpoenas that have yet to be fully complied with. so what can be done to speed up the search for instances my panel, juanita tolliver and terra set meyer, former gop communications director and resident scholar at the uva center for politics. appreciate you are joining me on this sunday afternoon. juanita, looking at what's been done so far by the committee, i kind of talked it through a little bit of the time line so far, are you worried about the timing of this whole thing? >> the option of running out of time is a real concern for democrats. it's been something they've been up against, especially with witnesses trying to delay proceedings and run out the clock with court proceedings. that's something we saw in the first impeachment trial for
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president trump where the house decided to not take it. even with the select committee wrapping things up by q1 2022, they need to stick to this. we had only one public hearing and the public recognizing that this was a domestic terrorist attack on january 6th, recognizing that the state of our institutions and our democracy and constitution is on the line here, they have to see this through. so if that means running up into the 2022 midterms, then do it, because they have not only this bipartisan effort to get to the truth but the public support. so they should not let anyone off the hook, and that includes folks like steve bannon who we know are facing criminal contempt referrals already. >> it seems to me though, terry, this could go well beyond the 2022 midterms if we're looking at the timing of this whole thing, right? just the vote for steve bannon,
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that could go through, yes, but in order to hold him in criminal contempt ultimately could take months if not years to obtain the information that they actually want from him. what do you expect to actually happen here first with this vote come tuesday? >> well, here's the challenge. the vote on tuesday obviously is a first step. it's pro forma. they need to do this. it's least they can do. but the challenge here is that during the trump years i think we really saw what a challenge it is for congress to actually enforce these subpoenas. the trump administration flouted the congressional powers for subpoenas. they disrespected that norm. and it really demonstrated, exposed the fact that there really is no teeth for grease right now. and the steve bannons of the world recognize this, so they are using the system against congress to run out the clock. so, yes we can see -- we'll see the vote on tuesday, but then what?
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it's really important -- and i cannot stress this enough. it's important for the committee to use every lever of power they have. i don't care if inherent contempt hasn't been used since 1935. that gives the sergeant at arms the power to arrest someone who flouts a subpoena like steve bannon. use it. because i'll tell you something right now. republicans wouldn't hesitate. if the shoe was on the other foot, republicans would do everything they possibly could if they had someone as intransigent as steve bannon, as dangerous as steve bannon on the other side. they would do it. this committee must have that level of resolve, otherwise it's not going to make a damn bit of difference. it took don mcgahn two years to testify front of congress and even then they didn't get much from him. two years, and he's not the nefarious character that steve bannon is. so they have got to demonstrate resolve here or else it really is moot.
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>> juanita, she makes a great point. we heard from adam kinzinger on cnn earlier saying, listen, this is about the history books. it needs to be noted in history what took place on january 6th and holding steve bannon in criminal contempt, but what type of information does it actually get from them? we talk about what tools do they have to make sure they actually provide testimony on an attack on the capitol? >> yeah, i think the tools that we're seeing them deploy with the criminal contempt is the first stem. we know deployments of the sergeant at arms is another escalation. but to your point, yasmin, about
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getting the information, let's consider all the avenues that we know the select committee has already requested. for example, the communications records, the dms on social media between these individuals, the security information about vice president pence's movements during the attack. this is all information that they could still get their hands on to help them put together an explicit picture of what happened that day and to hold appropriate people accountable, even without these folks' testimony. that information is available. we already know the white house did say that that does not qualify under executive privilege and to move forward with the archives on that, so there's so many additional avenues where documentation from the executive office is available through archives that we know the select committee is going to continue to pursue on top of this witnesses. i also think making sure that this process with bannon moves forward expeditiously as it moves from the vote in congress
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to the doj's hands for the grand jury is another big step. we heard chairman thompson last week talk about the need for ag garland to move that through quickly with his u.s. attorney in d.c. so that can be a swift action because what happens with this bannon contempt is going to send a message to witnesses current and future. >> terra, not to discredit this investigation, but as long as the form president continues to politicize this investigation along with other republicans, how much will the findings matter? >> i think the findings will still matter. i mean, the majority of the american people understand what they saw. they saw a violent insurrection, an attempted coup on our capitol, and an anti-democratic movement that is not only perpetrated by donald trump but now by the entire republican party. and so i think it's important for history and the majority of the american people that the
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committee is successful here. and we want them to be. they're doing intrepid work. but i caution again that if they don't put the hammer down on people like steve bannon -- steve bannon is a domestic terrorist and he needs to be treated as one. he is like an unindicted coconspirator behind january 6th, he's anti-capitalism, he's anti-democracy, he's anti-law and in order, and he is thriving, you know, thriving on the attention that he's getting and flouting the rule of law, sticking his finger in the face of people who believe in the constitution and this committee. so we cannot sit back and treat steve bannon with kid gloves as if this is some institutional good faith effort. treat him like the dangerous mind and this dangerous time we're in and do the job and do not relent. they have to be unrelenting because the american people deserve it.
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>> terra set meyer, juanita tolliver, thank you both. great to see you this sunday afternoon. transportation secretary pete buttigieg firing back at fox news host tucker carlson's comments about his decision to go on paternity leave. last week carlson mocked buttigieg and his husband's move following the adoption of their two kids saying the transportation secretary was, quote, trying to figure out how to breastfeed. take a listen to what he had to say. >> as you might imagine, we're bottle feedin and all hours of the day and night. i'm not going to apologize to tucker carlson or anyone else for taking care of my premature newborn infant twins. the work that we are doing is joyful, fulfilling, wonderful work. it's important work. and it's work that every american ought to be able to do when they welcome a new child into their family. >> and he shouldn't have to
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apologize as someone who took four months of maternity leave after each one of my children. it is incredibly important for the well-being of the mom, the dad, and the babies as well. good for you, secretary buttigieg. all the lights seem to be going out on kanye west's listing of his home for sale. up next, a local reporter on how residents feel about kanye running away. we'll be right back. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! ( sighs wearily ) here, i'll take that! ( excited yell ) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. with thirty grams of protein, one-gram of sugar, and nutrients to support immune health! ( abbot sonic )
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promising to bring production to the area among other projects he floated as well. joining me, leo wilson who's been covering this, a reporter at the local paper there, the cody enterprise. it's one of the most beautiful places on earth. jackson is a special place to me as well, not far from there. but talk to me about this. how are folks there reacting now that kanye has decided to sell? >> well, thanks for having me today, yasmin. i would say it's a bit of i told you so. i think a lot of people expected this from the get-go. it was a matter of how long he would decide to last here. a lot of people were a little bit optimistic, but it was kind of a wait-and-see approach when he first moved to town and made promises about providing jobs and stimulating the local economy. at the end of the day i think the naysayers probably had the last laugh, but most of the town would qualify as naysayers. >> you wrote about how he
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frustrated some planning officials with his ever-changing plans. how did that go down. he submitted a proposal to have a large meditation structure at his ranch property, following the rules up to a certain point, and then i think it was the morning of the meeting he drastically changed the plans for the structure to include some residential units, residential pods, i should say, on that structure. by doing so, it changed the zoning for the structure, and the zoning commission was quite upset with him for the last-second change. he wasn't there physically at the meeting, but his represents were and they had rather strong words because they got to him at the meeting by around 9:00 or 10:00 at night. so it was quite frustrating for the commission there. >> i'm going to go ahead and believe you on the fact that kanye was not on the zoning meeting. >> not shocking. >> in fact, not shocking at all.
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final question, which is the kind of million-dollar one everyone wants to know. how much did kim and kanye, when kim was there, actually kind of roam around cody and interacted with locals, out seeing the sights, maybe riding a bike or something? >> i don't think i saw him riding a bike. he was seen driving large amphibious vehicles. kim was seen a few times during the two years roughly that he lived here. she made it clear in a couple different publications she wasn't a big fan of him purchasing the ranch and she didn't like it. kanye was around, you would see him driving one of his large ford raptors around town or walking down the street with his entourage. he was very approachable and very nice with people. he would sign autographs and take photos. he employed interns, local high
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school students. so he was a very likable presence. if you ever got the chance to run into him. but after he declared his presidency, it was the beginning of the end of his presence here in cody, and his presence kind of slowly dropped off after that. he did vote for himself here for president on election day, but after that he was rarely, rarely seen. >> thank you for that. we appreciate it. the right to vote on the line, everybody. a bill in the senate is likely to fail a crucial vote just days from now. still ahead, the ceo of is with us to talk about what her organization plans to do on a local level while congress is failing to make progress. we'll be right back. tonight, who will control congress for the next ten years? it could come down to the supreme court. i'll discuss the impact scotus could have on redistricting with my sunday night panel.
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welcome back. a miracle in oklahoma. only four people injured when this happened. >> an amtrak train slam into the semitruck stalled on the tracks, and he and his dogs were able to
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escape, thankfully, before that crash. and then democrats will try and advance a critical voting measure. however, that legislation is almost certain to fail in the senate. the washington post reports advocates are looking to president biden to do more to get this bill passed, saying activist want biden to allow a prime clear voice to especially egregious actions, and they say they should throw him into the passing voting rights legislation, and many on the hill see it as resting on the shoulders of senator joe manchin and his ability to sway republican senators to agree. i am joined by the ceo of, andrea. remind everybody that is
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watching on where we are right now with voter suppressions being used across the country in certain states. >> thank you for having me on. across the country we saw right after a historic turnout in our presidential elections, we saw bills crisscross the nation that aim to roll back advances in voting rights and aim to make it more difficult for americans to have the freedom of access to the ballot box. we saw over 420 bills crisscross this nation, and many states already passed legislation but it starts to roll back access to the ballot box. it's very clear what these laws intend to do, which is to disproportionately affect young people, to disproportionately affect communities of color and make it so politicians were afraid of the public that they are supposed to be serving can make it so that they can stay in power instead of listening to their constituents and have a
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true thriving and healthy democracy. >> are you confident a federal voting rights bill will, in fact, be passed. you have been in touch with any senators to make sure it gets passed as it seems that we are waiting to joe manchin to convince ten republicans to get onboard. >> at, during 2020 we had many people using our platform, and we are asking them to contact the senators and make sure they advocate and have their voice heard when it comes to wanting the freedom to vote act passed. we have had, you know, at least 50,000 phone calls that have been made in the last few weeks by people using our platform. we are pushing hard to make sure that everybody has what they need to be able to advocate for federal legislation. federal legislation is the
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answer to what we have happening in the states right now. without federal legislation, we really are in a very challenging and difficult environment, and it's crucial every senator of good conscience, and every politician of good conscience that cares about billing and thriving democracy supports the federal legislation. it would be very difficult to address what we are seeing in states without a comprehensive federal legislation to push back against the voter suppression we are seeing happen at the state level. >> so if the legislation does not pass, and that's a big if, two major elections coming up, midterms right around the corner, and then you have 2024 right around that corner where voting rights is going to come front and center. what are you going to do about it? what is your plan going forward? >> right now we're working really hard to educate voters
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about what is happening in their state real time. any changes in the laws, any changes that affect their ability to vote so that people can stay engaged in the fight in the long term and realize there are specific people trying to make it more difficult to have their voice heard and they will have to overcome that in the midterms. we don't applaud things like long lines or having people standing in them, or anything like that, and those are policy decisions to try and those that are paying attention right now, i do believe in the public's ability to dig in and overcome these issues. having said that, we have to have policies and enact legislation that will help build the system that makes it more -- voting more accessible to everybody.
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we know automatic voter registration, these kinds of things automatically increase turnout for people -- turn out in states. i think we have to advocate for things like carveout in the filibuster. we have to see with the carveout people will have the ability to pass the freedom to vote act. i think it's really important that that's done, especially if this legislation is not passed next week. i think if joe manchin fails to bring ten votes, we all will have to understand that the only way to pass voting rights is to go ahead and -- >> appreciate it. sorry, i have to wrap up the hour and toss it over to reverend al sharpton. we appreciate your voice on this matter. i will be back in the chair next sunday, 3:00 p.m. eastern. i will turn it over now to my


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