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north texas when this is said and done? >> certainly. there are some estimates that say we get as much as 7 back for every dollar we spend on early childhood education. in north texas, we understand that. we've been moving toward universal pre-k. we want to see it across the country. i think it's a great thing for us to have. it's defensive. it's a great investment, and it's a big deal to get it done. >> what about the pay for part of this? you heard the reporting on kyrsten sinema. you are essentially throwing out great work in the ways and means committee. a tax structure that most house democrats ran on, the idea of raising rates and reversing the trump tax cuts to come up with something new at the last minute. are you comfortable that that is something that the house is just capable of getting done here, to do this huge new tax component at the last minute? >> well, it's certainly not ideal. and i agree with our chairman who has done a lot of great work to try and come up with i think
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a responsible way to roll back some of the irresponsible components of the trump tax cut. so it's not ideal. but as we've been talking about for weeks now, we have to get all 50 senators on board. if it takes a change in terms of how we go about the revenue side to do that, then that's what we'll have to do. we can always revisit this later. this is not the last bill that the congress of the united states is going to pass. >> i hear -- i keep hearing more discussion about the possibility of another big reconciliation bill next year. before i have to let you go, i want to ask you about something former president obama said campaigning the other day. take a listen. >> so we're at a turning point right now. both here in america and around the world. because there's a mood out there. we see it. right? there's a politics of meanness. and division. and conflict. of tribalism and cynicism.
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and that's one path. but the good news is there's another path where we pull together. and we solve big problems. >> do you agree with the former president about the gravity of this moment? i mean, you've got this election in virginia which i don't want to overstate, but it's the first moment where it's democrats fully in control. you take your vision out to at least one portion of the country. and that's part of the vision. right? i mean, how do you view the gravity of this moment and the way that president obama was describing it? >> i couldn't agree more with president obama. i've said this to our caucus. i see this legislation as about more than the important components of it, but also showing that democracy works. that autocrats both here at home and around the world are arguing that this process doesn't work. you don't have to go through all that. put your faith in me and i alone can fix it. we have one of our home grown
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dangers here to deal with, and part of this legislation is showing that we can govern, that all those folks who came out in a pandemic and voted with their face masks on, some of them wearing full body armor to stay safe, that it was worth it, and that we'll deliver and that democracy works. >> can you take me inside the chamber right now? ten months after january 6th. obviously i'm up there all the time with you. it doesn't seem like there's any discussion or cooperation on the house side between republicans and democrats. are those relationships getting better or is this the kind of thing that's -- you're going to have to have the january 6th commission do the work. you're going to have to get all the bad blood out in the open before the other side of the aisle looks at this the same way you do? >> well, in a strange way, i've gotten closer with some of my republican colleagues who recognize the danger of the moment that we're in. it's not everybody. but it's certainly a really
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difficult time for us here. i was on the floor when the mob was trying to break in. i had colleagues of mine looking at me to protect them in case people got through. this is really serious. we have people we walk past every day who died that day defending us. and we have colleagues who are saying it was just a normal day. we have others who may or may not have been involved in the planning of this. so yes, we have to get to the bottom of what happened. that's why we should have had a bipartisan independent commission studying this just like 9/11. but it's up to our select committee which is a bipartisan committee and does include a couple of republicans who i think are of high character and who are doing the right thing. they have to get to the bottom of this and try to get the american people answers. that will also help the congress. >> all right. thank you very much. we didn't get time to discuss why for some reason baylor is ranked higher than smu, but we'll save it for another time. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, garrett. up next, the facebook papers, what our nbc news reporters found out when they
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welcome back. on the same day that a facebook whistleblower is testifying before british parliament about the social media's harmful efbt on societies around the world, a group of journalists is publishing what they've learned from tens of thousands of internal facebook documents. the documents reveal among many other things the internal outrage from facebook employees over extremists' use of the platform to spread misinformation and calls for violence. according to those documents,
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employees took an internal message board on january 6th to blame facebook for the attack on the capitol. i'm joined now by jake ward who covers technology for nbc news and spoke exclusively officer of content safety. they've both been going through the documents for weeks now. so jake, we've suspected facebook of stoking hate through misinformation in some form or fashion for quite a long time. what do the documents show us that we didn't know? >> what's notable here is that these documents are not written by outside critics. they are not written by journalists. they are not written by academics outside of facebook. they are written by academics inside, researchers hired specifically to help facebook understand its platform and its effects better. that means that they have extraordinary access to the data. and can measure in ways that you and i outside the company would never be able to, the literal effects from moment to moment
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across millions of people around the world. what we're seeing here is not just that broad sense of dissatisfaction, but very specific things. there are individual studies and posts from within the company that say specifically negative information is reshared more often, that it correlates with misinformation, that, in fact, the numbers of posts taken down that are either incitements to violence or hate speech may be far lower than what we've understood publicly. facebook for its part says we're extremely transparent. we've hired over 1,000 researchers and only do that to make the product better and safer. but the fact that it's these researchers raising their hands and saying something is wrong, that's what makes the papers notable. >> do we get the sense facebook was taking the complaints seriously in realtime or now after they've been reported widely? >> well, there is a lot to take apart.
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in the coming weeks and months we'll find out more and more. we can see that certain protections put in place especially around the election and then leading up to january 6th, seem to have been taken down and then january 6th happens and then they go up. there's a lot of reactive stuff going on here. there's also just the broad sense that really much of the core mechanisms of facebook, the likes, the counting, the shares, changes, big changes made around trying to make more meaningfully socially meaningful engagements between interactions between people may have, in fact, backfired. we're looking at a company that literally encompasses the world and whose internal researchers seems to say our effect on that world is not at all what we intended. >> and brandy, you focussed on the january 6th portion of this. what did the january 6th episode show about facebook's struggles to contain content that they thought was dangerous? >> well, yeah, i looked at a lot
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of the research jake talked about. we saw that there were just experiments for the last several years that sort of looked at how facebook through its recommendation engines which is are those things that say hey, you might like this group or might know these people, they are pushing people into extremist communities through the rabbit holes, the narrow echo chambers where violent conspiracy theories live. there was one report labeled carol's journey to qanon that showed specifically how a user who was just a normal mom in north carolina who loves donald trump literally two days, this researcher found she was being served up qanon content. that was a big part of the january 6th attack. there was one specific document that showed really that the platform was incapable of stopping the violent group of extremists on january 6th, even as they were planning out in the open. you know, there was this group, stop the steal. and these groups were sort of tea party types. they were qanon types. they really ran the gamut.
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and facebook knew that the groups were planning on facebook, because originally they right around the election, they turned them off and said no, they shouldn't be allowed to. as they sort of vamped back up, and at one point stop the steal groups were the fastest growing groups on all of facebook, of the whole platform in the whole world. and the platform had no protections in place to stop it. so that internal report actually said that facebook was hoping that they could do better next time. >> oh. well, that's comforting. if we went under the hood at other social media companies, at twitter, or at instagram which i know is a facebook property, would we see something similar or is there something in the secret sauce, in the algorithm, in the way facebook works that makes it sort of uniquely able to push people in these directions? >> yes and no.
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in some of the internal reports we saw them building upon research that had already been done with youtube to see how the video and recommendation machines pushed people into rabbit holes. we see the same things at other social media companies. the thing that stands out is that facebook really does have the industry leading in-house research organization. they have geniuses with ph.d.s working with them to figure out problems. they've done a good job. the documents show through the heart breaking messages from former and even current employees that say they feel like their visions of changing things from inside of facebook has been dashed and the company doesn't use the researchers and findings to make the platform better. >> and jake, it's not just journalists and members of congress who are looking at this. it's also the sec. do we have any sense of what they're looking for inside facebook?
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>> well, they take up the eight letters frances haugen sent them, they'll be looking for the discrepancy between what facebook has said publicly and what it reports to itself internally. and if there is a big and specific difference there, then the argument is investors have been misled, because they didn't know what facebook knew about themselves. this is america, after all. investment is part of what we really care about. so it's only there they wind up getting in trouble. let's say that does happen. the big deal there is not only can they hit the company with a big fine. they can, in fact, under their powers, do all sorts of rules making. they could, in fact, mandate that the company has to turn over this kind of data to outside independent researchers or they could go after individual executives. so-called insiders. go after something like mark zuckerberg himself personally. that could be definitely where the rubber hits the road. unfortunately, or however you look at it, it's not entirely
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clear that the sec has ever really gone beyond hitting somebody simply with a fine in the past. no one has ever been hit up individually as an executive, but the sec has that power. this is certainly an historic trove of data that will be curious to see whether a historic decision gets made on the part of the sec. >> fascinating stuff. jake and brandy, thank you both. and up next, new remarks from former president obama on the growing threats to our democracy. you're watching "meet the press daily". it made me feel like i was trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place... ...and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. latuda is not for everyone.
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i understand why sometimes folks get tired, but here's the thing. we can't afford to be tired. >> welcome back. that was former president obama this weekend at a rally for virginia gubernatorial candidate who is trying to nationalize the importants of race and tieing the opponent to donald trump. in his remarks former president obama didn't pull many punches when it came to criticizing the state of the gop under the former president. >> if you've got good ideas, people will flock to your ideas, but that's not what they try to do. instead, you're trying to rig elections, because the truth is people disagree with your ideas. and when that doesn't work, you start fabricating lies and
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conspiracy theories about the last election. the one you didn't win. that's not how democracy is supposed to work. tomorrow president biden is scheduled to campaign for mcauliffe will which will cap off a series of appearances from heavy weights. polls have democratic mcauliffe and republican youngkin in a dead heat in a state democrats won by ten points in 2020. and in another sign of the difficult political environment democrats are in right now, another house democrat says he won't be seeking reelection next year. anthony brown announced today he will be making a run for state attorney general rather than seek another term in the house. brown previously served as maryland's lieutenant governor and fell short in a gubernatorial bid against hogan. brown's announcement makes 13 house incumbent democrats not seeking reelection. he's one of seeking higher office. his seat is likely to stay in
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welcome back. the world meet logical organization announced this morning that greenhouse gases hit another record high. they are now rising at a record pace. this data comes as president biden prepares to meet with other world leaders from the u.n. climate summit next week. and the democrats scramble to finalize negotiations around climate provisions in their reconciliation bill. legislation biden hopes to hold up to his fellow world leaders as a win in the fight against
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climate change. negotiations have forced a keep cuts to the climate agenda. he vowed to set the standard for climate policy worldwide. be key initiatives pulled, this bill may not be the show of strength he was hoping for. on "meet the press" yesterday, andrea mitchell was told the climate cuts put biden in a weaker position. >> it weakens joe biden's hands in glasgow, the climate meeting coming up, because if we're going to get the rest of the world to take serious steps to remedy the problem, we've got to do it ourselves. i'm disappointed we're not going to be able to move forward with the provisions. i think there are going to be other alternatives. >> i'm joined now by the former state department coordinator of climate policy for the biden administration. i'm curious, do you agree with senator king broadly, biden won
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on being a climate leader for the world. what position is he in now? >> i disagree with his position. i think president ran on a climate action platform, and voters elected him on that platform, and he came in and set a ambitious goal for reductions in emissions of 50% by 2030. he has been working throughout his whole administration to get this to happen. what we have seen from the president is that the goal he set really met with the science which urgently is asking for. and he's deployed the resources of the whole of government. 13 an net members are joining him at glasgow. we can expect announcements there. before going to glasgow, those agencies have stepped forward, showing what their actions are. we understand climate is a risk to the financial system. but also in national security. we have seen the military and
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our intelligence community put forward their actions to also combat and adapt to climate change as we move forward. >> but goals and plans won't reduce emissions. i mean, does he have a weaker hand if he shows up in glasgow without congress having passed any of the ambitious climate goals that he has laid out? >> i think this is where we have to really look at what's on the verge of passing. yes, it would have been a lot easier to get to that goal of 50% with reductions and cuts by 2030 for sure. but that is not the only way to get to that goal. and so some parts of this plan are still intact. and one of the backbones of the plan that is being negotiated are the clean energy tax incentives. and those are still intact. they will allow deployment of clean energy projects and allow consumers to purchase electric vehicles. and the incentives for manufacturing.
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we can count on those to really get us to that goal. how do other countries, how do our european allies look at the united states when it comes to climate? the former president pulling out of the paris climate accord didn't do us any favors overseas, but do the other countries participating think we're taking this seriously? >> i think they understand that after four years of absence from the climate table, the use is back. the president has not left the negotiating table here at home. he has put forward strong actions at the executive level. and countries understand that the united states is committed to this. that the united states is serious. that we use science now when we make decisions about climate. and so i do not think the position of the president is weaker. i think countries are welcoming the united states back to the negotiation table. they want us to be there, and we are ready to be there. so i think this is going to be
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as i would say, historic investments that we're on the verge of accomplishing. and we're going and they're showing all of our assets and everything we can do to reach our climate goals at glasgow. >> when the president hands back stateside tuesday night or wednesday, what's the best case scenario for what he can bring back from the assignment, or what deal is within reach here? >> i think we are hoping that we can show up at glasgow with the -- the at least a frachlwork as you've seen in the recent headlines. manchin and pelosi talked about a framework being close. >> okay. >> the president announced an ambitious goal which he put forward so countries would match our ambition, but maybe even exceed it. we're showing up expecting other countries to step up to the plate. but there will be important conversations about climate financing for our countries that need to fund their transition to clean emergency. and for countries to be able to adapt to the effects of climate
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change which we know there are a lot of vulnerable countries that need this help. so there's a lot of very important conversations that the president is going to be a part of, that all of his cabinet heads are going to be a part of. we can expect they will be very involved announcing things for action at home, but also we understand as a systemic risk, climate change is a critical issue at home, and abroad, and we're showing up strong. >> sometimes i think americans or at least americans involved in politics have to find other ways to talk about climate change. you mentioned national security earlier. last week the white house put out a report that talked about the national security implications of climate change. can you expand on that a little bit? i feel like this is one of the areas people don't necessarily think about but does have a potential impact that people probably should care about. >> absolutely. it is one of the most important areas. as we think about the impacts of climate change over time, what we're going to see is there's going to be impact on resources. whether that's food or water. it's going to impact how
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countries compete for resources. natural disasters are going to cause loss and damages around the world that will impact how countries make decisions. it will impact how people move. climate migration is a big concern as a result of climate. and so the white house thinking about how it will face those geopolitical concerns, but also how it will plan to protect our military assets to be able to protect the american people at the end of the day. national security is about protecting the american people, protecting our assets, protecting our livelihoods, and so it's a very important concern, and i'm pleased to see they have put forward the plans. >> all right. thank you. the whole world will be watching this weekend and early next week. i appreciate your time. and coming up, what's next in the fight against covid as we await a decision from the fda potentially this week on vaccinating young kids. you're watching "meet the press daily". daily" regina approaches the all-electric cadillac lyriq. it's a sunny day. nah, a stormy day. classical music plays.
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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ welcome back. we have a number of developments on the pandemic today. starting on the vaccine front. moderna announced top line results from the vaccine trial for children age 6 through 21. the company says two shots produced a strong immune response and was well-tolerated. the company didn't release details to back up the claims but moderna said it will soon submit the data to the fda as part of the application for the emergency use authorization.
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an advisory committee is set to meet tomorrow about the pfizer shot for children. pfizer's was 90.7% at preventing covid one week after children got their second shot. an fda analysis found the benefits of vaccinating children clearly outweighed the risks in the majority of scenarios. joining me to talk about this is dr. vin gupta. covid vaccine for kids appear like they're on the horizon. we have an fda vote tomorrow on whether the benefits of the pfizer vaccine outweigh the risk for children. any reason to think this won't get approved or moved to the next step? >> good afternoon, garrett. great to see you. it will certainly get approved, i'm sure. i think there's going to be a lag time. remember, for all your viewers, moderna has yet to be approved for 12 up. it's still for 18 and older, you're cleared for that older, d
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for that initial series. pfizer has a leg up, they presented more data publicly. moderna just talked about antibody levels being 1 1/2 times higher among those 6 to 11 years of age versus those who are older. we need to familiarize ourselves a little more with the data. that's why pfizer will be available and i suspect we'll have enough pfizer doses for kids whose parents will allow them to get vaccinated. >> what should we make about the data gap when it comes to moderna? is that anything people should be taking into account as they think ahead to get their children vaccinated? >> no. as a reminder, way back in the summer, the biden administration, leading health officials, asked pfizer and
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moderna to increase the scope of their studies. the question was how frequent was this incidence of myocarditis. very rare, very mild, but the biden association said let's increase the scope. pfizer got to the finish line faster than moderna did, that's all that's at stake here, they got there more quickly. moderna's now there. so there's going to be a four to eight-week lag, just like there was for adults, if people remember, pfizer got cleared first, then moderna. >> we'll also get a new frontier in the battle over mandates. i can't help but think it will be especially bad when it comes to schools. i want to play for you something that the former head of the fda had to say on our sister network cnbc this morning. take a listen. >> yeah, look, i think that the vast majority of school districts and even private schools are not going to mandate this vaccine. they'll want to wait for full approval, they'll want to wait for more information,
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particularly information about the post-pandemic period. ultimately they'll wait for the cdc to make a recommendation as to whether this will become part of the vaccine routine for children. >> this is obviously politically radioactive in a way that other vaccines on a childhood routine aren't. >> i do agree, garrett, it will be a heterogenous approach. some school districts have already mandated the vaccine for those 12 up and and will continue to do that for those younger like l.a. county. it will be different based on the zip code. i agree we probably won't see approval well into 2022 because we want to get as many children and as many data points in these
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studies as possible. so there is going to be a different approach. it's going to cause a lot of confusion, unfortunately. for parents, they should make sure they have one-on-one conversations with their health care providers. the moderna dose is half the dose in kiddoes than it is in adults. the pfizer dose is a third of the dose concentration than it is in adults. that took time to arrive on and land on because they wanted to find what's going to cause there to be minimal side effects, and that's what we're seeing, really minimal, mild side effects, also without compromising effectiveness. that conversation needs to happen at the direct engagement level, one on one, with pediatrician. >> the science on this is phenomenal. dr. gupta, thank you for taking the time to explain it to us. coming up, with thousands of workers taking to the picket
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welcome back. president biden has just begun his remarks in newark, new jersey. let's listen. >> -- a long time, pal. thanks for the passport back into jersey and your district. josh gottheimer has been the best go-to i've had trying to get this all done, whether it's the build back better portion or the infrastructure portion. and tom malinowsky has done a heavily a job, and frank pallone. we've been doing things together for a long time. i know delaware is small. i know how important new jersey is. but delaware owns the delaware up to the high water mark in new jersey, you know what i mean? [ laughter ] one of my favorite members of
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congress, who i campaigned for and she won in spite of it, mikie sherrill, incredible person. senators booker and menendez who represent you so well in washington, they're trying to get this moving. i'm here today to talk about what's fundamentally at stake for families, the region here, and in our whole country. for most of the 20th century we led the world by a significant margin because we invested in ourselves, we invested in our people. not only in our roads and our highways and our bridges, but in our people and our families. we're among the first to provide access to free education. 12 years of free education for anyone who is an american, beginning back in the late 1800s and early 1900s. and that decision to invest in
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our children and our families is a major part, a major part, why we were able to lead the world for so much of the 20th century. but somewhere along the way, we took our eyes off the ball. our infrastructure used to be the best in the world, not hyperbole, the best in the world. today, according to the world economic forum, we ranked 13th in the world. 12 other nations have superior infrastructure to us. and china has trains that go 230 miles an hour for long distances and we got money to do that back in the administration of barack obama and joe biden. and you had a republican governor who didn't want it, didn't want any part of it. we used to lead the world in educational achievement. now the organization of economic cooperation and development ranks america 35 out of 37 countries when it comes to investing in early childhood education and care. 35 out of 37.
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we cannot be competitive in the 21st century global economy if we continue this slide. my wife, who is a community college professor, says any nation that out-educates us will out-compete us. that's a fact. that's why i resolved that we once again build america from the bottom up and the middle out. i've never seen a time in american history when the middle class did well, the wealthy didn't do very well. i'm tired of trickle-down. trickle-down hasn't worked so much for the last 15 years, for working class and middle class folks. that's why i propose two critical pieces of legislation being debated back


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