tv Hallie Jackson Reports MSNBC October 28, 2021 12:00pm-1:00pm PDT
♪♪ so, we just heard from house speaker nancy pelosi as we come on the air, who confirms she is moving full steam ahead with a possible vote possibly tonight on that bipartisan infrastructure bill. after president biden announced that framework on the bigger social spending bill. and for skeptical progressives in her party, speaker pelosi has announced that framework is now in writing. >> for those who said, i want to see text, the text is there. >> president biden now on board air force one. you can see him leaving the white house on screen. he headed to europe without a deal or vote in his back pocket, without a vote at least. the president making that high stakes visit to capitol hill this morning to sell the framework that leaves out a few key things.
>> no one got everything they wanted, including me. but that's what compromise is. that's consensus. and that's what i ran on. >> the white house still touting this as transformational. straight ahead we're talking with a key member of the progressive caucus on where her members are and the path forward. one-on-one live with congresswoman cori bush in just a minute. i'm hallie jackson on yet another busy day in washington. we're also joined by punch bowl news founder jake sherman. let's get at it here. ally, let me start with you. speaker pelosi is making news on a couple fronts on the path forward. talk about the latest and the timing on the infrastructure vote. i heard at the end somebody was asking her, she came back and got her mask and left. and didn't answer the question. >> yeah, that was me. that was one of the most important questions we could have today. how do we know what the plan is
going forward. certainly in the rules committee they are starting to consider that more than 1,600-page bill text. pelosi challenged those that said they needed to have text of the bill to go read that. that doesn't assuage. i love the word you used possible and possibly in your introduction because that's where we are now as democrats try to figure out what in a process sense comes next. pelosi though, because for progressives right now it's a conversation around a trust deficit between moderates and progressives, but also the house and the senate. for speaker pelosi, she said president joe biden's word was enough for her and she put it this morning. >> i trust the president of the united states. and, again, the text is out there. if they have some -- anybody, any senator, any house member -- has some suggestions about where their comfort level is or their dismay might be, then we welcome
that. >> and certainly i imagine there are going to be some people we hear continuing to weigh in because you mentioned the policy priorities that have fallen out of this bill. paid leave was one the speaker mentioned specifically, saying she wants to fight to have it in there. there are people on the senate side, specifically kirsten gillibrand who want to fight to keep it in. the other thing that's happening is progressives are trying to figure out where they stand on this. i was forwarded an email that was sent by congresswoman pa jayapal trying to whip her members and take their temperatures on where they are in endorsing the framework released today in principle but also where they are opposing the bipartisan infrastructure vote that could happen today. this is why jayapal says that is important. >> we need to see both votes on the build back better act and the infrastructure bill moving forward together.
we also want to see the commitment from the two senators, and frankly all 50 senators, that they are also supportive of this framework and that it will be passed with no undermining in the senate. >> and when she talks about senators that need to say they're supporter, we've heard from senator kyrsten sinema and joe manchin. i asked him this morning. he said it's with the house right now. because reporting never stops, just because we're on tv, as i looked down on my phone, our senate producer caught up with him and said to manchin, they need to hear from you specifically, meaning they in the house. and he just said, thank you very much, frank. he clearly has said he wants to read the text. but now the text is out and there's still no assurance coming from the senator from west virginia. >> nice to know our hill team is hustling. we could hear from senator manchin. we are going to be keeping an eye on that.
here's what's interesting about this, right? as you know, as you've been talking to white house officials in part of a conversation with a senior administration official today talking about next steps, getting this done and how president biden sells this. and they're really framing this as transformational. we can talk about the politics, but let's take a beat and talk about what's in this and what's out of this. what's in this deal, what's in this framework, universal pre-k, more elder care, expanded child tax credit for 2022, investment in climate with clean energy in tax credits, expanded health care coverage, expanded medicare, at least for hearing services, affordable housing, free school meals, and potentially $100 billion for immigration reform funding. here's what's not in. paid family leave, free community college -- things that president biden campaigned on -- expanded medicare coverage for dental and vision, as we said, and prescription drug cost reform. so, again, when you look at
these two lists -- i'm going to ask our team in the studio to pull out so we can see that full here -- or we'll pull it up again in a second. the white house wants folks to focus on the left side of the screen. look at all this stuff, they're saying. look at all that's in here. there's also a lot that's not in here. and this is not a fully bow-tied, wrapped up thing, ready to go. >> precisely. this is about the art of the compromise right now, the white house saying even if they put forward in the framework is what gets done, they will feel incredibly proud of what they are labelling a potentially historic achievement. if this text turns into actual legislation and becomes reality and is signed into law by the president, which is of course his hope. but those two things at the top of that list in terms of what's not in this proposal, absolute pillars of what candidate joe biden campaigned on, that even he himself earlier this year says he believes he got elected
in large part because democratic voters wanted to see things like paid family leave and free community college become a reality. and those things are not at all in the conversation in this context. and the president conceded today that, yes, even he was disappointed with some of the things he didn't get in this final framework because ultimately everybody's going to have to sacrifice something they wanted. but here is how he did put into context what he hopes will be achieved if this does get done and if his democratic party gets behind him as he asked them to do before he left for his overseas trip today. >> it's a framework that will create millions of jobs, grow the economy, invest in our nation and our people. i know it's hard. i know how deeply people feel about the things that they fight for. but this framework includes historic investments in our nation and in our people. >> that's what the president said in front of the cameras. behind closed doors earlier
today, hallie, i think the most notable thing he told democratic lawmakers was the reality it wouldn't be hyperbole or exaggeration to say that everything that happens in the next week is going to be critical of determining the future of their slim majorities and will define the entirety of his presidency. that's how he's putting it to these lawmakers, who he's asking to get behind his agenda at this point. >> and you're looking at some of the other things president biden said to the democratic caucus meeting. laying out the stakes, right. explaining, to your point, just how much rests on getting this done. jake sherman, you are among the most plugged in person on capitol hill that exists on this planet. so, tell me what you're hearing about next steps. >> let's take a step back here. the irony about the argument is the progressives are not against the pieces of legislation. they are arguing about the sequencing. they are arguing to get the bbb
in its final form and ready for a vote before they give a vote on infrastructure, which frankly is not that crazy of a suggestion. it's not that crazy of a demand. so, i expect that they're going to stick to that and it's going to be very difficult for pelosi to pass this infrastructure bill tonight because republicans are not going to help democrats get this over the finish line. that's a near certainty. i spoke to a lot of republicans in leadership this morning who basically said, we're just going to make them pass it by themselves. if they can pass it, we'll let some of our members go along, but we're not going to help them pass it. given that, i have to imagine it's going to take another day. maybe pelosi pulls a rabbit out of the hat. at the end of the day you're dealing with two lawmakers, kyrsten sinema and joe manchin, who have wildly different views about this piece of legislation than progressives do. and furthermore on top of that they are not giving anybody a reason, any progressive democrats, a reason to be confident. they are not out there saying, this looks good, we're going to
vote for this. they are saying it's up to the house. sinema's not really commenting. then you have dick durbin who said i need to look them in the eye to have some sort of assurance on this. ron wyden saying something similar. if senators were trying to give house progressives a good reason to doubt that they are with them on this piece of legislation, they're doing a good job. >> it's going to be an interesting question. jake, quickly, what is your understanding at punch bowl news of how many house progressives could be a no vote on infrastructure if it gets brought tonight or tomorrow. >> i would say more than a dozen. they say 55. i think they're inflating by 10%. so, let's say at least two dozen. they are just wildly in lock step because they have one demand and they've never waivered, which is they want a text and they want a vote at the same time. >> it's great to have you all to start the show. i would ask you if you can to stay close to your cameras because i expect there could be developments in the next 40
minutes or so. let me bring in someone critical to this conversation, congresswoman cori bush. thank you for being back on the show. good afternoon. >> good afternoon, hallie. >> a lot of things to get to. let me start with this. there is some text out, a leadership aide telling nbc news it is draft text that roughly matches the framework, but it is words on paper. is that good enough for you right now? >> not at all. not at all. the people of st. louis did not elect me to think what could happen. look, i haven't lied to the people of st. louis up to now, and i'm not going to start. so, i cannot say that we know for sure that the two senators -- the two democratic senators will actually support this framework, support this text. we don't know that for sure. and i know that we have heard that there are assurances, that we've heard just to go ahead and go with this. i get it. but i'm not going to put my name and people of st. louis on the
line with -- with just hearing that somebody can look somebody in the eye and get what they want. i need to know that my people are taken care of. i need to know that those child care workers get what they need. i need to know that universal pre-k for three and four year olds is a done deal, that we get that in our communities, that justicety happens, that those investments, those frontline investments actually happen. i need to know that the community files money that helps bring safety and equity to our community, that it happens. we know that when those two senators say, yes, we're in. >> so, is that where the trust deficit is for you with senators manchin and sinema? you don't trust them? >> no, absolutely. and i don't owe that to them and they don't have to trust me. the thing is their vote is what counts. i know where you stand when you vote.
show up. let there be a senate vote. i cannot vote on the infrastructure package today with a yes because i need both of them to go together. and i've said it from the very beginning. we cannot have one part of infrastructure without having the other. education is infrastructure. housing is infrastructure. that's what we need. >> so, this is exactly where i wanted to go with you here. to confirm then, you are a no if nancy pelosi were to bring up this infrastructure vote in the next couple of days. >> if it's by itself, if it's a stand alone, absolutely, i'm 100% a no. 100% a no and there is no getting me to a yes. >> however -- i'm sorry. how many other progressive members of your caucus are with you on this? how many no votes on infrastructure are you counting up if you don't see better legislative text or movement on the other side of the piece of this? >> right. at this point i believe we do
have at least more than a dozen. so, i know that we have -- we have numbers right now that may increase hopefully, but either way the folks that we have are serious about saying no. we won't be swayed or moved. and this is not against the president at all. this is not against the president. this is his agenda. what we're saying is we don't trust the people that are saying -- that have the actual vote. that's what we're saying. and we shouldn't have to trust them. i know you by your vote. that is the point. >> you said earlier today that you felt a little bamboozled, your word, about all this. >> yeah. >> with the benefit of a couple hours, more conversations, do you still feel that way? >> yes because i just didn't know this was happening today. i didn't know ahead of time that we were talking about voting on the infrastructure deal -- on the bipartisan infrastructure deal by itself. so, yes, i felt bamboozled. i felt like, where did this come from? where was the conversation about this?
we've been talking about doing the both of these together, and that's what we need. i'm not willing to push to say that we don't need money for higher education, you know what because this is the thing. there are home care workers that came to me in my district, that cried because they were talking about nobody fights for us. congresswoman, you are our congresswoman, will you fight for us. i remember those faces right now. i will not turn my back on those home care workers. i won't turn by back on teachers and principals. i won't turn by back on anyone else in our community. we can't just look at one sect of our community. we have to look at the whole of it. and they deserve it. so, cori bush, i stand with my people, all of them. >> let me ask you this congresswoman, and i promise i'll let you go. it seems as though looking where this lies, the chances both bills will move, that's going to take a fairly heavy lift. rej legislative text, if it's
legislative text, sign offs with senator manchin and senator sinema, is that something that would get you over the finish line if it comes together in the next 24 hours? would that help alleviate the trust deficit you're talking about with some in your party? >> if there is sign off from senators manchin and sinema that they will go with the legislative text that we have, then that may make a difference. >> okay. >> i can't say yes. what i'm looking for is a senate vote. i need it to be voted on. i need the parliamentarian to say that this thing is good and that it can be voted on. that's what i want to see. but that would be a really good step if we have those yeses from those two senators. >> and you want to hear them publicly. we've got cameras all over that building. before i let you go, in that meeting this morning president biden told you, your fellow democrats that it was not hyperbole to say that house and senate majorities and my presidency will be determined by what happens in the next week.
is he right? are those the stakes here? >> absolutely that's on the table. that's why we can't fail. that's why we have to make sure we're doing the most for the most people. we have to affect the greatest amount of people now. that's why housing has to make a difference. we can't just walk away and say that somebody -- at some point people will get this and they'll do it. we hope housing happens at some point. we think it's going to go. no. we're going to make sure it goes now, and i'm going to hold my vote until it happens. st. louis deserves that. i won't stop fighting for my people. you can't make me. i love my community. >> congresswoman cori bush, thank you for being on this afternoon. thank you for your time. >> thank you. we have a jam packed hour ahead. a top white house official joining us live for the view on all of this from inside the biden administration. the blockbuster oil hearing happening. we've got the biggest headlines.
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here, is this part of that sort of difficult brand -- frankly you can call it a public relations crisis that facebook has been having, right? make facebook the name itself just the blue app, as you describe it, and use meta to describe the whole family, the whole company, if you will. >> i think that's certainly a side benefit if it's not exactly the main reason they're doing this. mark zuckerberg can now say he is the ceo of meta, and people who consider the name facebook to be a really toxic idea, the whole delete facebook movement, if you want to call it that, that people are going to take -- it's going to take a while for people to realize what meta is and for there to be any kind of delete meta movement. so, there's certainly -- the name change is going to help zuckerberg maybe redo his image a little bit. it also signals that meta is going to spend a lot more time and energy on this new product line of where they want to go, which is virtual reality. so, mark zuckerberg today spent
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that often gets lost in these conversations is that some of us have to actually live the future that you all are setting on fire for us. >> the very first time you have nearly every major oil company coming together appearing at this congressional hearing to respond to claims the industry misled the public about its contributions to climate change. i want to bring in josh letterman who's been covering this hearing for us. josh, that congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez that happened in just the last few minutes, a lot of people thought she would be somebody who would really go hard here. >> it's interesting, hallie, because democrats really wanted to use this as a moment to metaphorically put these big oil executives on trial, drag them before cameras kind of like that famous 1994 big tobacco hearing where the cigarette companies had to testify under oath. but the real fireworks so far
here have been between democrats and republicans with congresswoman katie porter, a democrat, just a few minutes ago bringing out the props, the visual aids, including a trunk full of grains of rice she used to demonstrate how in her words the oil companies have been hoarding up these leases to drill. you had republicans saying to stay strong. >> for far too long big oil has escaped accountability for its central role in bringing our planet to the brink of a climate ka tras trophy. that ends today. >> democrats are focused on destroying industries and the jobs to distract from the fact they had no plan to recoup or economy. >> despite your knowledge and the associations you fund chose
time and again to raise doubts about the science and down play the severity of the crisis. >> what does the gentleman want? $8 gasoline, $10 gasoline for the families we represent? this is craziness what they're talking about. >> the ceos of exxon has been arguing we followed the science as we knew it when we knew it. nobody knew what we know decades ago. they've been trying to call attention to their own investments in clean energy, like the algae commercials we see from exxon. but the democrats say, look that's a bunch of green washing. you're only doing that because the pr needs. they're saying these companies are not doing anything near what they need to do to tackle the greenhouse gas emissions. >> josh letterman live on the hill. thanks for staying on top of that for us. joining us live from the white house, president biden's top climate adviser gina mccarthy, all as he hits the world stage. we're live in rome ahead of the
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president biden right now is in the air enroute to rome for his second foreign trip while he's been in office. of course the president had to delay his departure a few hours to do what he watched a few hours ago, outlined his revised spending plan, asking congress to pass his safety net bill and infrastructure bill. he has a busy agenda overseas, meeting with the pope and french president macron. a lot of big names will be in glasgow. mike, i would say good afternoon, but good evening to you, my friend. >> [ speaking foreign language ] >> all right. >> happy to be with you, ally. >> dial it back.
>> as i note my high school italian for all it's worth. it's interesting, as the president is on his way here, he styled himself as middle class joe, somebody advocating for people in the town he grew up in, as well as somebody who's been deeply engaged in foreign policy. you see a real merging of those as he comes here trying to translate the build back better to what they call build back better world. it's the president's offering and challenge to his fellow world leaders to take more collective action to deal with the major issues of our time, everything from climate toward leveling the economic playing field, migration issues, as well as of course not to be overlooked at this stage tackling covid-19. one of the big pieces and part of the urgency for the president to get to the framework he announced today is something they're trying to finalize here in rome. we've seen and heard the rest of the g20 leaders agree in concept
with the idea of a 15% global minimum corporate tax. there was some hesitation the u.s. was not going to get its act together with its economic agenda, some of the countrys that lowered corporate tax rates were not going to be so keen to do that with action at home. that's what's so critical about the president making progress at home before he gets over here. of course we've been talking about the climate summit in glasgow, the president needing to get the $550 billion as they put it in the framework to deal with climate action so he can come to glasgow and get other world leaders to take similar action. the president is looking forward to the president with the pope tomorrow. this is a meeting that's personal but also political because they do have shared priorities, like the ones we just laid out, especially dealing with poverty. these are the second catholic president dealing with the first
jesuit pope. >> not to overlook something you referenced, which is the personal aspect of it. this is not going to be the first time these two have met. i think you were on a trip where the two met a couple years ago. >> yeah, one of the last times i was in rome was with vice president joe biden. he came here at the invitation of pope francis to speak at a conference about cures for cancer. that was really the focus of the vice president at the time. it followed a meeting he had with the pope the year before when he was in washington, pope francis spending a significant amount of time not just with the vice president. that's a testimony to the bond. >> very quickly to get back to the policy at home, do you think it sends any kind of signal to the other world leaders that president biden had to delay the district attorney par chur a little bit to try to wrap things up at home. >> i think they are closely monitoring in terms of the comments president biden made
behind closed doors. but so did speaker pelosi about the need to show some progress here. they're looking very closely at american democracy to see -- as he puts it, china and russia looking at whether autocracies or democracies are going to be ruling. >> [ speaking foreign language ] my friend. i hope that worked. we'll talk to you in the next few days. you know that the president was highlighting many provisions in his social spending framework, including on climate, which he called the largest effort to combat climate change in history. >> tax credit to help people do things like weatherize their homes so they lose less energy, install solar panels and develop clean energy products and help businesses produce more clean energy. >> i'm joined by gina mccarthy. good afternoon. thank you for being on the show. >> thanks for having me. >> of course. let's start with what is in this social spending framework here.
clean energy tax credit, investment and incentives for clean energy, manufacturing and supply chains. in your expert view here, is this enough to offset that clean electricity program that had to be spiked because of opposition from senator joe manchin. in other words, are you happy with where this ended up? >> i am not happy. i'm ecstatic, hallie. this is getting back all of the greenhouse gas reductions we might have lost, and it's actually the most historic investment in climate change ever. but it's not just climate that we're addressing here. we're actually investing in america again. we're grabbing the 21st century, and we're going to grow green energy jobs here, good-paying union jobs. so, this is just filled with wonderful opportunities for consume rs to actually get electricity into their homes that's less expensive, that's more resilient. it's investing in our transmission. it's investing in transportation, electric vehicles.
you name it. we are grabbing the future for ourselves and for our families. >> okay. i get it. i hear you loud and clear that you are ecstatic about this. >> i am. >> but talk to me about what happens down the road. listen, there are provisions that are not in here that i know you and other democrats would have liked to have seen. are there discussions yet on how to address that let's say six months down the road from now? >> sure. we'll be thinking about new ideas and opportunities and innovations and financing strategies. right now we're focused on the president sharing this framework, linking it to the infrastructure plan and moving this forward quickly. this is an opportunity we cannot let go to waste. this is an opportunity where people, normal people, don't have to pay more. they'll get significant opportunities for advancement in their homes, in their communities. it's about investing in environmental justice communities, in making sure that we do that today, not what we might do tomorrow.
this is just about capturing their framework and moving it forward because when we're going to glasgow we're going to hold our heads up high. we're going to tell the world that we are in this for the united states of america and we plan to lead this again because, as you know, this has to be a worldwide effort. but we have to show the way. and with this investment, we will do just that. >> you bring up c.o.p. 26 which is obviously significant. it's going to be huge news. we'll be covering when the president is there with big name notables from all around the world. is there any disappointment on your end that he is going to be attending that without a vote done, without this getting over the true finish line as it relates to the social spending bill and climate provisions? >> i'm not going to anticipate what the timing is here because lots of people know more about that than i do, including the president. but, no, we're not going to go there with any disappointment because the president created a whole of government approach where we've already made significant progress. we're going to highlight that.
but we're also going to look at the commitments in this package, which will actually by 2030 reduce a gigaton of greenhouse gas emissions. that puts us well past what we committed as a goal when the president rejoined paris day one. so, he's going to go there meeting people, knowing that the united states is all-in again, and they're going to have to run to keep up with us. that's how this is going to be moving forward because every time we invest in clean energy, every time we invest in environmental justice communities and clean up legacy pollution and deliver clean water, we're doing it for the people in this country, not partisan politics. and that's what joe biden is all about. he cares about the people, and he's going to make government work for them again. >> let me ask you about something else that is making news today. i know you've been tracking some of this. that big oil hearing on capitol hill. significant, frankly historic that they're all coming
together. there's this argument you've heard some republicans make that more regulations could lead to higher gas and oil prices, et cetera. i wonder how you respond to that and your reaction to this hearing. >> yeah, this is basically a day of reckoning i think for the oil and gas sector because for many decades they denied climate change. and now that we're every day seeing the wildfires, the droughts, the floods, the heat stress, people are no longer listening to that or tolerating it, so they can't get away with that anymore. they have to get serious about delivering clean energy and electricity to the people in this country. and they have to stop with the deception and move into this decade and help us make the transition to clean energy so that we can win the 21st century here. so, there's no more hiding climate change. there's no more climate deniers. this is just about who wins the future. and whoever addresses climate in
the smartest way, which we intend to do, is going to be the big winner. >> republicans who argue more regulations could mean consumers, americans pay more on stuff, you say? >> what i would say is there's room for regulation. but this package, this framework that the president is looking at is all about investments. it's not about penalties. it's all about how we use our economic muscle to move forward and, again, win the jobs of today and the jobs of the future. so, they can talk about regulation all they want. there's a place for it. they're going to use it because there's opportunities that can't be captured otherwise. but right now if you look at this framework, you don't see regulations and rules. you see opportunity after opportunity. >> white house national climate adviser gina mccarthy, thank you so much for being on with us this afternoon. appreciate your time. we've got some breaking news just in. former governor andrew cuomo
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first, what happened regarding former donald trump and the january 6th select committee. the committee planning to subpoena now donald trump's former lawyer, john eastman, the architect of donald trump's legal challenges to the 2020 election results. east man also spoke to the rally that eventually mobbed the capitol in the deadly attempted coup. also another former trump official apparently willingly talking to the select committee. this woman, alissa farrah, who apparently, according to a source has been talking with republicans on the committee for a few months now. garrett haake joins me now. i know you have been hustling to report this out. tell me what you know. >> two different types of former trump officials, two different types of responses. on eastman, the committee knows they are going to have to subpoena him. that could come likely the middle of next week. they are very interested in the thinking behind his now infamous memo about the powers he ascribed incorrectly, unconstitutionally to then vice president mike pence when it came to the electoral count on
january 6th. he might also fit into the investigation into what was going on at the d.o.j. at the time. they don't expect him to be cooperative. farrah is the other side of that coin. she is a former trump official who resigned from her position in december. she talked about the fact that she wasn't comfortable with the direction the then president was going with his lies about the election results and left the administration at that time and according to my source spoke to the republican members on this committee going back to what she did know around that time period, december. a pensionly helpful witness although not as intimately involved. >> yeah. >> it spez to how wide a net the january 6th committee is spreading. other breaking news to tell you. the albany county sheriff's
office charging former new york governor andrew cuomo with a single misdemeanor charge. this is just developing. tom winter comes in, i am being specifically vague on the details. you are reporting this out. explain what's going on here? >> we are being specifically vague because we don't have a ton of information. we don't have the redacted court filing. we know this, from the spokesperson for the new york state court system, the head person who communicates with the press when these filings are going on. a number of court filings in the state of new york are public, and they will be on line typically shortly. but the spokesperson usually gets it before the on line report is updated. he says former new york governor andrew cuomo has been hit with a misdemeanor criminal complaint. it is tied to some sort of a sex-related crime. so that's all we know at this point. we don't know what that particular crime is.
we don't know what class of misdemeanor it is, so i can't quite tell you at the moment what potential penalties cuomo could face if convicted. there is a bit of an asterisk here. that is the albany times union says this filing ways made in error, and they quote the attorney for the victim. but it's a little unclear what that error is. it's not clear whether the error is with the filing itself, in other words, was something not redacted or was something not handled with respect to the victim correctly in the filing, but in fact the criminal charges are still going to stand and at some point we will get redacted paperwork and i will be able to share more with you. or is there a bigger concern here? typically -- i am scanning my phones as i am speaking with you for more clarity. but we have on the record from the new york state court spokesperson that this criminal complaint has been filed against the former governor. of course if there is any updates to that we will bring them to you right away.
>> i want to be clear. sneern, we know that based on your reporting, correct. >> correct. >> when you talk about a criminal complaint, what does that mean? what is that process? >> criminal charges. at some point the governor will be charged and arrested. depending upon what type of class it is. it could be a class a or other types of zpeern. if he it is a class a misdemeanor he faces one year in prison, potential of a fine or three years of probation. if it is a class a misdemeanor that i am thinking it could be based on what we know on this particular investigation that was being led by the albany county sheriff's office, it is unlikely the governor would have to register as a sex offender just because of new york state law. again, until we get the court paperwork and see the specific charges at this point i am just sharing what we generally have believed but not what anybody has confirmed. >> i hear you. we only have a couple seconds left here. you cited a report from a local albany paper saying there was
some kind of error in the filing? based on what this paper said? i want to be clear here because we could learn more about it in the next moment and that could change the discussion, right? >> it could change the discussion if charges were accidentally filed before the case was ready. >> got it. >> that could certainly change things here. as far as we know from the spokesperson on the record, that's why we feel comfortable speaking about night sure. >> they say these charges have in fact been filed. like i said, as soon as we get the appropriate information in the court paperwork itself we will be able to share more. >> tom winter all over it for us. thank you for your great reporting. we will be watching for more from you in the hours to come. meantime, that does it for us on this busy hour. "deadline: white house" starts after the break. r the break. uh, i-i'm actually just going to get an iced coffee. well, she may have a destination this one time, but usually -- no, i-i usually have a destination.
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hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york on a day full of developments for democrats in washington, d.c. after the president went to capitol hill with the framework for much of his domestic agenda, a sweeping bill addressing social programs and the climate crisis. that's what's happening today on the left in american politics, in the democratic party. on the right, it is a very different story. the right, which has at this point abandoned all pretense of even pretending to try to govern this country. there are signs of an unflinching commitment to disinformation. on wednesday, the disgraced and