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it used to be called value jet. it was founded in 1992. it immediately developed a scary safety record. they were only founded in 1992, but by 1995, they had already had an aircraft evacuated on the runway just before it burned down. by the following year, 1996, it was a terrible fatal crash, may 11, 1996, valujet flight 592 had an on board midair fire. it was caused by hazardous, flammable materials that were improperly stored on board, and that plane came down. all 110 people on board that plane died and the plane crashed into the florida everglades. just a terrible disaster. that was 1996. valujet had only been around for four years when that happened, but that would be the end of valujet. the company still existed, but they decided to buy a little company called airtran.
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the idea was valujet could take that name. after the crash, the valujet name disappeared and that's how we got airtran. rebranding. how about blackwater? the private mercenary force run by the billionaire brother of donald trump's education secretary betsy devos. it was unclear why they had to hire private mercenaries on top of the actually army the government sent into iraq, but they did. they hired blackwater. and after blackwater massacred people, the black water name started to itch a little bit. first the company changed the name blackwater to something that was supposed to be unpronounceable, but it was
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spelled xe, capital x, small e. when people started pronouncing it like xe, they changed their name again. they went from blackwater to xe to a misspelling of the word academy. they spelled is academi. still blackwater, but they don't want you to call them that anymore. when wall street melted down, the economy n 2008, the federal government decided it needed to spend $17 billion bailing out the financial arm of g.m. it's called gmac, and that bailout worked. that entity came back after the financial crash, but they came back under a different name. probably wise. they changed their name. now they're called ally bank. this is a tried and true and, frankly, tired tactic. johnson & johnson got on the hook for its talcum powder allegedly causing cancer.
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well, johnson & johnson will no longer be the company that makes or ever made that talcum powder. they created a new company to take on that burden, ltl. did you already forget the name? i did. ltl. that sounds nothing like johnson & johnson, that johnson & johnson nevertheless created to be in corporate terms responsible for all the talcum powder. that's who you sue if it gave you cancer. they didn't want to be associated with johnson & johnson anymore, so they gave them a little name consisting solely of initials, and then they promptly declared that company bankrupt. nice. when philip morris decided all the anti-smoking, moaning and groaning and hacking and coughing was cramping its public style, it decided it would
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become altria. that sounds way less smoky, altria. you sound like a dust mop, maybe a medication app, except one that gives you lung cancer. when president biden picked a new chief for the federal trade commission, he picked the youngest leader in ftc's history, a young, brilliant academic who literally made her career challenging the outsized market share of giant tech companies like amazon and the artist formerly known as facebook. the ftc has these big tech companies in their sights under the biden administration. the ftc has already asked a federal court to break up facebook. after a senior facebook employee recently spirited thousands and thousands of documents out of the company, documents that appear to show the company's internal research about the effects of its own products, that research was totally at odds with the company's public
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statements about the same matters, not to mention their statements to regulatory agencies. after all that has happened, in the wake of all of that, in the wake of dozens of news organizations filing dozens of news stories this week about those -- based on those internal facebook files portraying the company in an intensely unflattering light, today we got word in the "wall street journal" that the ftc which, again, has the power to break up facebook, they are scrutinizing these new disclosures of internal documents as well as their previous scrutiny of facebook for their market share. the ftc is reportedly in touch with the facebook whistle-blower and her attorneys. uh-oh. this is the agency that has the power and intention to break up facebook. we also learned in recent days that the securities and exchange commission is in touch with the
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whistle-blower as well since some of what she's disclosed about the company's behavior arguably can constitute security fraud, which is a crime, and it ka make your company go poof even if it's a big company. with all of that happening right now in facebook's world, yes, apparently it's time. today facebook had its airtran moment. altria, i hardly knew her. we're supposed to call blackwater xe, academi, or whatever, and after today, we're supposed to call facebook meta. okay. it will always be valujet to me. this has been such a jam-packed news day. that is only one of 25 different things that could be the big above-the-fold all caps headline in any newspaper tonight or tomorrow morning. today the justice department announced they have settled a group of lawsuits that were brought by the survivors and by the families of the victims who
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were killed at the mother emanuel a.m.e. church back in 2017. they fetishized the number 8. 88 to them stands for hh which to them stands for heil hitler. they love that number, 88. it was an avowed white supremacist who said he was trying to start a race war in america when he took a . .45 caliber pistol and walked into the mother emanuel a.m.e. church. he walked in and started to pray with them and then he took a gun out and shot them. he had reportedly brought 88 bullets with him into the church that day. well, today the families of the people he killed and the people who survived the massacre, today they learned they will split $88
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million from the u.s. justice department to settle their various lawsuits against the government for this massacre. the reason the u.s. government was sued in this case in conjunction with this massacre, the reason the u.s. government was very likely, considerably, formally liable for this massacre is because the government did make a big mistake, a mistake they were wired to make. when that white supremacist went to buy the gun he used to kill all those people in the church, the fbi background system should have flagged him, should have blocked the sale of that gun to him. republicans for decades now have made it a priority in washington to weaken and hamstring and sabotage the federal background check process for buying a gun as much as they can, in every way that they can. they made sure there are a whole category of gun sales that aren't subject to background checks at all. they have blocked the government from upgrading the technology they use to do background checks.
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they have forced the government to throw out background check records instead of keeping them on file. one of the things they did to make the background check process as weak as possible is they created a rule, a binding federal rule, that says if the background check process isn't complete after three days, the person just gets the gun. it defaults to yes, you can have the gun, if three days pass before the background check can be completed. in the case of the shooter who shot ten parishioners, the background check wasn't done in three days. legally he shouldn't have been able to buy the gun because of a previous recent drug arrest, but they had a wrong number from people who did the arrest. they weren't getting calls back, three days went by, three days expired. he got his gun. and then he killed all those beautiful people in that beautiful place. mother emanuel's pastor was
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killed that day. he was a south carolina democratic state senator as well as a pastor. his name was reverend clementa pinckney. his daughter said, quote, my sister and i are going to go home realizing the government didn't sit in silence. they paid attention, and they valued my father's life, and they valued the lives of the eight other people who died. these killings happened six years ago in 2015. the part about the background check thing, the part about the fbi screwing up the background check or not completing the background check, that's been known for a long time. the fbi knew that the background check mistake was made. they apologized for it just weeks after the killing. given that, i don't know why it took six years for the justice department to decide that they no longer wanted to fight these lawsuits and they wanted to make
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these settlements with these fak limbs. but they made that decision today. the victims' families and survivors will split that $88 million. i don't know why it took six years. i believe it must have been the new people in the doj, righting past wrongs as well. we keep seeing things like this crop up. nothing is exactly like that, but this idea of trying to remedy past wrongs, trying to make up for lost time with things the u.s. government did wrong that the justice department or the administration could otherwise fix, it's starting to become a theme in current news. in a very different kind of case, you may recall, a few weeks ago, the justice department also decided to pay a lot of money to settle a lawsuit. in this case it was a lawsuit brought by the former acting director of the fbi. andrew mccabe had been the number two official deputy
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director of the fbi under james comey. president donald trump fired james comey because of the russia investigation. then he tried to get andrew mccabe fired for the russia investigation as well. trump demanded publicly that not only doj needed to fire mccabe, but they needed to do so hours, literally hours, before he would otherwise qualify for his full pension in recognition of his decades of service at the fbi. and it turns out the justice department appears to have kind of broken all the rules when they caved to trump's pressure on that and did what he said, did what he demanded. the justice department at least concluded that they were going to lose the lawsuit that andrew mccabe brought against them over his improper firing. well, earlier this month the justice department decided they would settle that lawsuit with andrew mccabe. they gave him back his badge. they gave him back his pension. they even paid his attorneys' fees.
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the biden administration has plenty on its plate, but it turns out it's like one of those tv dinner-style subdivided plates, or like the kind of plate you get in the hospital, you know? it turns out there is a whole segmented portion of what's allowed on their plate. a big portion of what they've got to deal with in any one day is cleaning up what's still stuck there, what's stuck there and wrong there from the previous administration. tonight the "wall street journal" was first to break this remarkable story, which nbc news has since confirmed, which is a very, very big deal. here's the lead in the "wall street journal" tonight. quote, the biden administration is in talks to offer immigrant families that were separated during the trump administration around $450,000 per person in compensation as several agencies work to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma. the u.s. government forcibly taking little kids away from
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their moms and dads and refusing to return them. that is something none of us will ever be able to make right. that happened in our lifetimes -- in our time, in our lifetimes when we were citizens of this country, that happened in our names and we will never be able to fully fix that. if you were ripped away from your parents, taken out of their arms as a little kid and forcibly kept apart from them indefinitely, how could that ever be made up to you? how could that ever be made up to your family? none of us will ever be able to make it right, and it was done if our names. it will be the first bullet point on a long well-organized list when a number of decision makers from the trump administration who dreamed that up, when they check into the hot place where they'll spend eternal damnation, that will be the first bullet point on the list that they use to check in for their eternal stay. legally, our government under president biden, has been in the
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position now for months of needing to field these lawsuits from the families, from the families that had the kids stolen away from the moms and dads, deliberately traumatized by the u.s. government on purpose as policy. if this reporting tonight from the "wall street journal" and nbc news bears out, those lawsuits are going to be settled now. the u.s. government is not going to fight them. they are going to settle them and they are going to pay compensation for those going through this. this news breaking today while the administration says it is still trying to reunite 200 families that are still separated or the kids had their parents taken away by the trump administration. but in terms of this compensation discussion, it's the justice department, homeland security, and health and human services that are involved in these negotiations now, and we'll continue to follow that closely. i'm telling you, this is one of those days. i woke up this morning when i was talking to susan -- i'm
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having sort of flashbacks to a time during the trump administration when the news feels very unpredictable on any individual day. i was talking to susan about how like some days you have a lot of news and some days you know what's going to happen over the course of the day, but sometimes the news just evaporates. when you get close to it, the stories go away. she was like, don't tempt the news gods! that was this morning. and now today, the news is -- even after all that we've been discussing, we haven't made a dent in terms of major news that's been breaking today. here's another cleanup on aisle 45. it was literally one day before trump left office, january 23, 2021, one day before biden was sworn in as president, january 23 of this year when u.s. republican senator richard burr announced the justice department just told him he was not going to be criminally charged. back in may of last year, may 2020, the fbi had gotten a
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search warrant and had seized senator richard burr's cell phone. that was a huge deal. richard burr is not only a sitting senator, he was a chairman of the senate intelligence committee at the time. he had to resign from that post the day after the fbi raided him, and we soon learned what the investigation was about. a few months earlier in february of last year, february 2020, while the covid pandemic was just starting to emerge as a potentially serious threat to our country, while richard burr was serving as the intelligence committee chairman in the united states senate, he suddenly, personally, dumped his whole stock portfolio. he had a joint ira account with his wife that had like $1.7 million in it, and he liquidated all but one stock in their entire ira, $1.7 million plus, sold it all. you'll also recall there was a
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huge crash in the stockmarket in february and senator burr reported liquidating that stock because it had been a week since it hatched. how did he know to do that? he used non-public information he had as a senator as the basis for that stock sale. he denied it. he has denied it all along. he said there was nothing special about why he sold that stock, there is nothing to see. and the last day of the trump administration, he was told he would not be criminally charged. but when it comes to the strength of that case, look at this. this is today from pro publica. quote, in february 2020 a week before the coronavirus market crash, senator richard burr of north carolina dumped more than $1.6 million in stocks.
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after he did so, he called his brother-in-law. that same day. the two men talked for 50 seconds. according to the s.e.c., he had material nonpublic information about the coronavirus. after that, he talked to his brother-in-law. the very next minute, burr's brother-in-law called his own broker. burr liquidates his stock portfolio, calls his broernl. one minute later, his brother-in-law calls his broker too. pro publica previously reported that his brother-in-law had dumped stock the same day burr did, but it was unknown the two men spoke that day, and the contact came just before the brother-in-law was dumping stock himself. the cdc reveals there is also an insider trading investigation on senator burr and his brother-in-law. in its filings, the cdc says he
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had an impact on the incoming coronavirus crisis, as a member of the health committee and his former staffers who were directing key aspects to the government's response to the virus. on the day senator burr called his brother-in-law, the brother-in-law sold between $97,000 and $280,000 worth of shares in six different companies, including several companies that were hit particularly hard in the market swoon and economic downturn that would start within days. the week after the trades, the market began its crash. in his roles in the intelligence committee, senator burr did have information about his selloffs. he made sure america was well prepared to handle the coronavirus. he said, the united states today is better prepared than ever before to face emerging health crises like the coronavirus. meanwhile, he was selling all of
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his stock, calling his brother-in-law and saying -- who knows what he said, but 50 seconds after the call or one minute after the call, his brother-in-law sold all his stock too. senator burr did resign from the intelligence committee chairmanship after the senator the -- fbi raided him last year. his lawyer told pro publica, quote, senator burr did not coordinate his decision to trade on february 13 with his brother-in-law, mr. fauth. that's what his lawyer is saying publicly. why would you even think these
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things are related? except for when burr sold all his stock, called the dude, and one minute late e that dude sold all his stock too. why would you say those things are related? but why did the justice department conclude on his last day in office that senator burr should not be criminally charged for this. we now know that burr is under s.e.c. investigation, but is the criminal charges possibility live again given what the s.e.c. is reporting in its public facing filings about what they found about what he did? stay tuned. like i said, this has been kind of a nuts news day. in new york state, former new york governor andrew cuomo is now facing a criminal charge after being forced to resign after an investigation concluded
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he was accused of sexual harassment. he committed a sexual misconduct complaint. don't think that means this is a minor thing. this carry as potential sentence of a year in prison. now, there's been some confusion as to how exactly the charge was filed. the albany "times union," which has covered this case like white on rice from the very beginning, they reported the charge may have been filed prematurely, that the county sheriff's office had not ichb tended to move forward with the charge until next week, but somebody at the city court in albany jumped the gun. i don't know what that would mean. it should also be noted that this is a charge that's being brought by the sheriff's office, not by the local prosecutor. both the county district attorney in albany and the district judge in this case were
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unclear why it was charged today. the lawyer put out a fairly pugnacious statement saying this was politically motivated. quote, not professional law enforcement. but keep in mind once the state investigation into cuomo's alleged behavior was made public, a whole bunch of d.a.s in new york became interested about the charges. whether or not this ends up being the biggest legal problem that governor cuomo will face here, that's far from being settled. we'll have more developments on that coming up next with some expert help. but like i said, a bit of a bonkers news day. there is a lot of competition for front page space. president biden just landed in rome within the past hour. he's going to be meeting with pope francis at the vatican
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while he is in rome for the g-20 meeting. after the g-20, he'll be heading for scotland. we'll have more on that with more public pressure brought to bear on the issue of climate. as he left washington today for this overseas trip, president biden tried to pep talk his party into finally signing off on what will be the first term if it can ever take flight. after his speech, democrats spent the day appearing to get closer and closer and closer to the edge of the proverbial cliff deciding whether or not they would take a dive into the good-looking pool below. the progressives met. the moderates met. the progressives and moderates met together. it was all at once. you name it. >> do you feel like she got the assurances she needed? are there any pieces of the framework? do you think there's going to be a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill in the house today? >> but it says progress.
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they want to hear if you're going to vote for it. are you going to clarify what your position -- >> it was a great meeting until -- >> anything we should expect today? >> you know, i can't speak to that, but i don't believe so. let's just keep working. we're working. we're not going anywhere. we'll work through the weekend and get these two bills done. >> did you get any assurances from senator sinema? >> are you staying in town? >> i'm staying in town, yes. are you ready to vote on bipartisan infrastructure? >> no. >> are you staying in town? >> we're not going anywhere,
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we're working all through the weekend. we're going to get these two bills done. senator sinema, your statement today says progress. people want to hear if you're going to vote for this. are you going to clarify what your opinion is? senator sinema and the chair of the progressive caucus, pramila jayapal met today in person. you heard them say it was a great meeting, but what does is that mean? they're in the middle of it. there's a bill floating out there that the president spoke in favor of today that we think everybody involved might conceivably sign onto. they're still right in the middle of it though. apparently they're going to work through the weekend. i would love an update as to whether this is going to happen and where we are in the process. pramila jayapal joins us just ahead. this has been a crazy day in the news. stay with us. more to come. news stay with us
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we're going to keep working here. we'll get it done. the president said he believes he's got 50 votes in the senate, and, you know, i think it's a lot for him to say that, and i think any of the statements the senators make in support are always helpful, but we're going
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to pass both the bills. >> how long do you think it's going to take? >> i think it can happen pretty quickly. >> do you think you can do it by this weekend? >> i don't know. let's see. >> senator pramila jayapal, she has a busier day than any of us, and everywhere she goes, a pack of reporters are hunting her down like she did after she left a meeting in arizona with senator kyrsten sinema late this afternoon. after today we have a $1.75 trillion bill, which president biden says there are 50 votes for in the senate, at least when it comes to the framework of this bill. what is a framework really? this is a framework -- this is at least a bill that the house appears ready to vote for too.
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are we there yet? are we close to there yet? i think we're not, but why is that when pramila jayapal says we're going to work through the weekend on this, does that mean working through the weekend will get us there? joining us is the chair of the office, pramila jayapal. congresswoman jayapal, thank you. thank you for making time tonight. i really appreciate it. >> it's always great to see you. optimist in chief is in residence. >> whatever you do for your diet and fitness routine, whatever keeps you going, i would like to buy some stock, get in on that. i would like to know from you, basically if you were explaining to someone right now who hasn't been following this all along, who hasn't been superengaged in all the ins and outs, if they just want to know if there will be something new from washington to help people, would you tell them yes or tell them no? >> i would say absolutely yes.
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today was kind of an amazing day, i have to say that. we got a framework from the president. the progressive caucus then endorsed that framework, which maintenance that our 96-member caucus agreed that that framework in principle was something that we could enthusiastically support. we were able to send the president off to europe with that endorsement. and then, rachel, we got the text. we got the text which is what i said we needed, and guess what? when you put those demands forward, actually, you can make stuff happen. so we got the text for the bill. it is 1,400 pages. we're going through it right now. and our caucus, as you know, already agreed that we would vote on the infrastructure bill if we had the build back better act and the text of the build back better act, that the two bills would move together. rachel, i feel like we are very close. but the most important thing is this. three weeks ago when i was on your show, we did not have a
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bill that had 50 senators. the white house was engaged but not nearly as engaged as they have been. we did not have progressives and moderates and whoever elses in in the house to vote on the build back better act. there was all kinds of back and forths on it. in the end, with the two progressives saying this bill has to go somewhere because we're not leaving it behind, there was more negotiation that happened than happened in the last six months with these two senators. i met with senator kyrsten sinema today. it was a really good meeting, very productive, and i've been talking as you know to joe manchin. and, rachel, i really believe that we have shown people what it means to fight for them, to not leave people behind, and we will deliver very shortly, very shortly.
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we will deliver both the bif, the infrastructure bill and the remarkably transformational build back better act so families across this country can get universal child care by paying no more than 7% of their income, universal pre-k, the biggest and best investment in housing since the new deal, investment in elder care, the biggest investment in climate ever that we have ever seen. and health care for people, not to mention we will actually change the tax code so that finally we can bring a tiny bit of fairness -- not everything we wanted, but a tiny bit of fairness to the tax code so the wealthiest corporations and individuals start to pay more of their fair share. i am feeling really good today, and, you know, it's by nature to be optimistic, as you know, but i actually today, i see the end. i don't think i said that on
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your show before. i see the end. >> no, you haven't said that. >> of course, the house has to pass these, and then the senate has to pass it, and i am trusting the president when he says he has 50 votes in the senate. plus i've spoken to senator sinema. i will circle back with senator manchin, and, you know, look, there is a bit of a leap of faith here that we will take. but i believe that we are finally in a place where that can happen. and i'm just so proud of the progressive caucus. i'm proud of the progressive movement. i think we showed the country what it means to fight for everybody and leave nobody behind. >> i will say this, a statement from the group saying, house progressives have once again demonstrated what a collective aggressive power can do if we hold onto our fight. saying the members remaining
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unified is what made this possible. you say the end will be news. that will be news you made here tonight. we'll keep asking you back until you say no until we get to the end of this, senator jayapal. thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you, rachel. >> all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. all right we'll be right back. stay with us
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of the blue today. apparently no one was expecting it, and it was in the local criminal court in the city of albany in the capital of new york state. it's from the albany sheriff's office and you can see the title is this, the people of the state of new york versus andrew m. cuomo, as in former new york governor andrew cuomo. it says, quote, on december 7, 2020, between the hours of 3:51 in the afternoon and 4:07 in the knowingly and intentionally commit the class a misdemeanor of forcible touching in
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violation of section 130.52 subdivision 1, he touched specifically the victim's left breast for the purposes of degrading and gratifying his sexual desires, all contrary to the provisions of the statute. governor andrew cuomo stepped down just over two months ago after an investigation instigated by the new york attorney general leticia james found that governor cuomo had harassed at least 11 women while he was governor. he had groped a woman under her blouse at the governor's mansion. it was one of the most serious allegations against the governor. it was one he denied vociferously and appears to be the basis of this charged in criminal court in albany today.
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there is a little confusion of how this charge was filed. it was charged by the sheriff's office itself and not by a prosecutor. both the albany county district attorney, the locally-based state prosecutor of albany county, and also the attorney for the alleged victim, they both say they were blind-sided by this charge coming today, which is unusual. former governor andrew cuomo has jumped on his attorney, his attorney issuing a statement about the substance of the allegation and also attacking the albany county sheriff for filing this charge without telling the local prosecutor, without telling the local d.a. bottom line, the court has issued a summons for former governor andrew cuomo to appear on november 17 to face a charge of forcible touching. that is a charge that carries a penalty of up to a year in prison. this is a serious thing. what should we expect here about how this is going to go? joining us is rebecca roiphe. she's a professor and a former district attorney in manhattan. professor roiphe, thank you for being here. i really appreciate your time. >> thank you.
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>> first of all, let me ask you, if i'm right to point out what seems to be something slightly unusual about this complaint, this detail that it was filed by the sheriff's office and not by the local prosecutor, not by the albany county d.a. the albany county d.a. doesn't appear to have known it was coming, nor did the prosecutor. is this unusual in terms of the process? >> it is definitely worth pointing that out. it is very strange in a case like this you wouldn't have coordination between the sheriff's office and a district attorney's office. this is a high-profile case. it is not something that just sort of fell into the lap of the sheriff's office. it is very strange that there seemed to be this lack of communication and lack of coordination between those two offices. what that means is a little bit hard to tell. it could be that the d.a.'s office isn't fully behind this and will be reluctant to bring formal charges later on, or it
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could be just some kind of logistical glitch that happened. it's a little bit hard to know at this point, but we have to keep our eye out for whether or not those formal charges are coming because that would be a sign that the d.a. is fully behind these charges. >> would we expect that to happen at the time he has been told to appear in court? what sort of time frame would you expect in terms of sorting out whether this was some sort of glitch, some sort of procedural hiccup but not something substantive? at what point in the process would we see that unfold? >> certainly we would know what has happened by the time the former governor is expected in court, which i believe is november 17. so before that, we would expect to see the formal charges brought. the d.a. is going to have to appear in court. they have to arrange a plea. these are all things that have to do with prosecution where you need the prosecutor's office to actually be behind it.
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>> in terms of the seriousness of this charge, it's described in the complaint as a class a misdemeanor, forcible touching. we know that technically the potential penalty here is a year in prison, which means it's a serious thing. can you give us some sort of sense of context as to how serious this is under new york law, and if he were convicted of this offense, what would be a likely sentence, not just a possible sentence? >> any criminal charge is a serious thing, and as you say, he's facing time in jail, and that makes it even more serious. but in a case like this with a defendant who hasn't committed crimes in the past, you probably wouldn't expect that he would see jail time at all, prison time at all. of course, it's impossible to predict with any kind of assurance, but he may very well end up on probation in a case like this where he hasn't had any criminal history. >> in terms of the process here, not getting too much into the weeds here but trying to understand if this is going to
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go forward, i was struck by the fact that the district attorney's office in albany didn't know it was coming, and you also said that wouldn't be normal in the normal course. also the charge for the victim here. when a charge is brought, effectively a sex crime, this type of charge, is there some sort of requirement or at least an expectation that the victims, the alleged victims, would be notified, that they have advance word that something like this was going to happen since victims in these kinds of cases can be very much affected by the public trying of these charges? >> yeah, i think the expectation is very much that you would have coordination and adjudication, communication, none of which seems to have occurred in this particular circumstance. so what that means is another question. it seems like there is something off between the relationship between the sheriff's office and the d.a.'s office, and that may also have caused this other effect that the victim herself and her lawyer were taken off
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guard by these charges. so, again, it's really a little bit hard to read the tea leaves, but it does seem like something strange is going on, and it could be some kind of lack of communication that could be -- in terms of timing that could be cured fairly quickly, or it could be something serious like the d.a.'s office is not fully behind these charges. it remains to be seen which two there are, but one of those tea leaves is exactly as you say, you would normally expect the victim to be contacted and she wasn't. >> professor rebecca roiphe, former assistant district attorney in the great state of new york. thank you for talking about this. i have a feeling we'll be talking with you going forward. >> thank you so much. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. so much. >> we'll be right back stay with us just think, he'll be driving for real soon. every new chevy equinox comes standard
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