tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC November 15, 2021 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
week. now trump's weird little general is actually spitting on the first amendment. >> they're talking about the united states of america. talking about the united states of america because when matthew mentioned it in the bible, he wasn't talking about the physical ground that he was on. he was talking about something in the distance so if we are going to have one nation under god which we must, we have to have one religion, one nation under god and one religion under god. >> one religion? you just heard a decorated three star general contradict the first amendment of the constitution. for doing that michael flynn is the absolute worst. that is "the reid out." chris hayes now. tonight on "all in." >> how are you feeling mr. bannon? >> three serts, two counts of contempt, and one appearance in court today steve bannon
surrenders to law enforcement as we get still more disturbing reporting on donald trump's obsessive plot to overturn the election. then alex jones must pay the families of sandy hook victims. tonight the attorney who won today's massive defamation suit joins me live. plus -- >> you lose the right to self-defense when you are the one who brought the gun. >> what we learned today as the murder trial of kyle rittenhouse nears conclusion and joe biden throws a party at the white house as infrastructure week finally arrives. >> today we're finally getting this done. >> reporter: when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. we have a ton of new developments today in the story of the attempted coup. the effort at the very highest levels of the u.s. government to throw out the results of last november's free and fair election and install the loser donald trump into power. today one of the most prominent coup plotters former top trump
adviser steve bannon who was indicted on criminal charges last week over his refusal to cooperate with the house committee investigating the insurrection was in court. he faces two charges of contempt which could result in hefty fines or prison time because he refuses to tell the committee or turn documents over to the committee about what he knew about the attempt to violently overthrow the government. true to form however bannon remains defiant. >> if the administrative state wants to take me on, bring it, because we're here to fight this and we're going to go on defense. you stand by. you'll see how we're going to go on offense okay? nancy pelosi, merrick garland, joe biden, the whole, all of them. >> what do you mean? >> that is a schtick steve bannon. he was like that when he was campaigning in alabama for roy moore to be a u.s. senator. another top trump ally has taken something of a lower profile than bannon who is always out there promoting his podcast even as he also thumbs his nose at
the subpoena from the january 6 committee. i speak of former white house chief of staff mark meadows who skipped a scheduled appearance before the committee on friday and then in response as you might remember the house committee fired off a statement warning that if meadows does not cooperate the committee will look at pursuing contempt proceedings against him as well. here's the thing. meadows lacks the bluster of bannon who is in his heart a troll. meadows played an enormous role in attempting to overturn the results of the 2020 election perhaps even second only to the former president himself. we now know for example that meadows pressured the department of justice to investigate trump's utterly bonkers claims of voter fraud. even some of the most ridiculous ones. according to leaked e-mails meadows actually reached out to the acting attorney general jeffery rosen asking the doj to look into among other conspiracies, quote, a fantastical theory that people in italy had used military technology and satellites to
remotely tamper with voting machines in the united states and switch votes for trump to votes for joe biden. yes. there was an italian conspiracy to use satellite to switch votes. okay? meadows also traveled to georgia following the election ostensibly to oversee an audit of the state's ballot signatures though it is unclear what expertise the former congressman brought to the job apart from lending legitimacy of the white house in an effort to sow doubt on the election results. the day meadows returned from georgia, he encouraged the president to personally call the head of the audit and trump then did just that. this is not raffensberger. this is a subordinate telling her, quote, when the right answers come out, you'll be praised. again, this is a different phone call than the one trump made to georgia's secretary of state where he asked raffensberger famously to find the votes he needed to win. again, all moving on parallel tracks toward the same goal. the right answer, the reference
is basically any outcome that falsely declared trump the winner of the election in georgia. that is just some of what mark meadows was up to. to be clear, this is not some low level white house lackey. he is the chief of staff. it is arguably the second most powerful position in the entire white house besides the actual president. and now, we just learned of yet another way that meadows tried to throw his weight around in service of the coup. it involved this woman jenna ellis. you might remember her from her time last year. she was a trump lawyer who would go on tv and spout the same ludicrous, baseless conspiracies meadows was supporting behind the scenes. >> our strategy is to make sure we continue to challenge all of these false and fraudulent results. >> what is the point of all this? >> well the point of this of course is to get to fair and accurate results because the election was stolen and president trump won by a landslide. >> there you go. he won by a landslide. election was stolen. maybe the ghost of hugo chavez.
maybe it was the italians with their special satellite. who knows? according to the new book "betrayal" by journalist john karl that woman jenna ellis wrote a memo, pay attention, outlining the steps that vice president pence could take to overthrow the results of the election on january 6th and hand victory essentially unilaterally to donald trump instead. if you are saying to yourself, wait a second. that sound familiar. you're right. but to be clear, this is a different coup memo from another lawyer than the previously reported coup memo written by one of trump's other lawyers. multiple coup memos. both encouraging mike pence to unilaterally essentially declare donald trump the winner more or less. to overthrow the results of the election on january 6th. and according to the book, meadows made sure that this memo, the you can do it, mike, you can throw out of 240 years of peaceful transfer of power, this memo from ellis the conspiracy touting theorist you just saw on ari's show that it made its way to mike pence's
office. the game was a signal from the white house it expected pence to do its bidding. that was why donald trump was up there painting a target on his back. that is why he tweeted. and it is something to give the bare minimum credit that pence did not do. those are not the only recent developments from the coup crew. karl also reports fox host maria bartiromo a staunch trump ally who used her shows during this period to platform the most ridiculous of trump's lawyers like sidney powell was a true believer in the stolen election conspiracy at least according to karl's reporting because according to the book she abandoned any semblance of journalistic ethics by then reportedly calling attorney general bill barr demanding he stop the steal. quote barr told karl on the record she called me up and she was screaming. i yelled back at her. she's lost it. that is a tough thing to hear from bill barr. the attorney general who, you know, blurred the lines between the doj and white house to a
dangerous degree in pursuit of trump -- the same bill who worked to sow doubt about the mail-in ballots. by the end even that bill barr who had a really serious case of fox news brain had enough of the increasingly brazen attempts to overthrow american democracy that he yelled back at maria bartiromo calling him up to stop the steal. but other prominent supporters just doubled down instead like retired lieutenant general michael flynn. that would be trump's first national security adviser who pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi after trump lost. he became one of the most vocal trump allies pushing the conspiracy theory of a stolen election including arguing trump should institute martial law to stay in power. again, this is the full coup deal. right? his involvement with the stop the steal hysteria earned him it would appear subpoena from the january 6th committee as well and, frankly, not really surprising since leaving politics flynn has rebranded himself as a prominent figure in
fringe political movements on the right. take a listen to what he had to say over the weekend. >> so if we are going to have one nation under god which we must, woe have to have one religion, one nation under god and one religion under god, right? all of us together. working together. >> one religion under god? okay. you hear that, jews? one religion under god. you hear that muslims? you hear that protestant? i mean, a truly wild statement for a former political official and leader in the united states military. on the one hand this is mostly just the ramblings of a true crackpot figure. but flynn was someone who had a lot of legitimacy. holds a lot of legitimacy with the republican base. remember, thanks to a pardon from donald trump on charges of lying to the fbi. >> he is a free man. jenna ellis is of course, too, and mark meadows who is just defying it and steve bannon is at least for now a free man although only a free man because he, too, was pardoned by trump.
they all have public platforms to keep this up to keep plotting, to keep spreading the big lie, sowing doubt on our election credibility. they will absolutely attempt another coup. the question before our country is are we going to give them that chance? representing arizona's 7th congressional district, very outspoken about his experience during the january 6th insurrection including a new interview with "the independent" and joins me now. congressman, as someone who served in the u.s. armed forces i want your reaction to watching what has happened to michael flynn. this is an individual who was called one of the finest intelligence o officers of his generation, this individual was head of the intelligence agency, one of the key pillars of american intelligence apparatus, the key one for the dod. here he is running around, he advocated martial law, talking about the conspiracy, and that
we have to have one religion under god of. >> look, this is probably the most unamerican thing i've heard in quite a while. in flynn and i think people should stop calling him general flynn. he is no longer a general. mr. flynn served with jews, muslims, atheists, catholics, people from all over. i served with all of the above and people from native american traditions. we are very clear there is no one religion in this country. it's been very clear since the constitution of the united states. i don't know what this man is espousing but it is crazy talk. we will not have one religion. we are a free country and you will be allowed to worship or not worship and it is not going to -- flynn or anybody else is not ever going to be able to change that. >> you've been very vocal about your experience on the day of january 6th. your desire to make sure it never happens again. i wonder from that perspective as someone who is watching this take place and trying to plan
how things may have to go down if violence did come to the chamber if people came to the chamber what do you think of the increasing revelations of the coup plotters and how far they got including mark meadows a man you served with in the united states congress? >> well, look. nothing surprises me with mark meadows. he was a cheap man before, cheap in terms of his soul even before he left the house and went to the white house. it doesn't surprise me he sold our country for a person like donald trump. he would have done it for anybody. does it surprise me they were plotting this coup as well as they did? not really. what surprises me though is the reaction to it. the fact we have a not such a great and aggressive doj right now. the fact we have a republican party who basically has endorsed the insurrection by ignoring the fact it was an attempted insurrection, attempted coup. i thought better of them. i thought they'd be more patriotic than they are. right now they are just a group of people following a person not
even the republican party just trying to sell their souls so they can wen another election. it is a sad reflection on the republican party right now. >> one of the members of your state delegation, republican named paul gosar, has been i mean courting controversy, he put out an animated video that had him appear to be assaulting alexandria ocasio-cortez. there is discussion about an official sense shur, maybe a resolution taking him off committees. do you support that? >> i do. this has gone too far. this is not the first time he has incited violence. he has hung out with anti-semites, said anti-semitic phrases, threatening the president, also, it is time to move on. he is a joke. he's been a joke to congress. he is not serving his constituents well. if he doesn't want to act in a
civilized manner he shouldn't be able to serve on committees. if he changes his tune maybe it is a different story but right now there is no way a member of congress like him should be serving. in the private sector he would have been fired by now when you threaten violence upon a co-worker. but he continues to unfortunately get off the hook because you have someone like mccarthy who wants to be speaker of the house and is afraid of losing his vote. it is not worth having the vote of an anti-semite like gosar to be speaker. i don't think anybody wants that but i guess mccarthy feels he needs it. >> you had an interesting -- you noted something interesting today about what was going on in your home state of arizona with doug doocy who is the governor there doing a big hundred million dollars rural broadband thing. you note in his announcement the money came from the american rescue plan, president biden's initiative, and all republicans voted against it. the money by the way expands high speed broadband, connects homes, schools, small
businesses, under served areas, one of the largest broadband investments in state history. i'm guessing the arp and biden didn't get a huge shout out at the press event from the governor today. >> i'm pretty sure it didn't. we are connecting rural america and people forget that arizona has huge swaths of rural area. it is not just maricopa and pima. during the covid shutdown, it was very difficult for students to get online to go to school, very difficult for workers to get online to work or simple e-commerce. so we are going to connect rural arizona. we have a not donald trump attitude. we don't care rural area arizona doesn't vote for democrats. they are americans, we'll take care of them. i wish doug doocy would understand we're on the same team and give us credit for making this happen. it seems like he wants the best of both worlds. he wants the money and the programs but doesn't want to give credit out. >> congressman gallego, thank
you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. just a little over anne hour ago closing arguments wrapped up in the murder trial of kyle rittenhouse. the case now goes to the jury. next, how long until we might get a verdict. why the judge dismissed one of the charges already, right after this. do you take aspirin? plain aspirin could be hurting your stomach. new vazalore is the first liquid-filled aspirin capsule clinically shown to cause fewer ulcers than plain aspirin. vazalore is designed to help protect... releasing aspirin after it leaves your stomach... where it is absorbed to give you the benefits of life saving aspirin... to help prevent another heart attack or stroke. heart protection with your stomach in mind. try new liquid-filled vazalore. aspirin made amazing!
are you one of the millions of americans who experience occasional bloating, gas or abdominal discomfort? try new liquid-filled vazalore. taking align every day can help. align contains a quality probiotic developed by gastroenterologists. it adds more good bacteria to your gut to naturally help soothe your occasional bloating, gas and abdominal discomfort. support your digestive health with align, the #1 doctor recommended probiotic. try align today. and try new align fast acting biotic gummies. helps soothe occasional digestive upsets in as little as 7 days. how did panera come up with the idea to combine their famous mac and cheese with their iconic grilled cheese? by saying yes. yes to new inventions! yes to clean and fresh ingredients! and yes to living life to the flavor-fullest. panera. live your yes. now $1 delivery.
wisconsin last summer came down to closing arguments today. the prosecution's main argument was rittenhouse created the dangerous situation when he himself drove 30 minutes from his home to the area where protests over the police killing of a black man had spiraled. armed with a semiautomatic ar-15 rifle. and that in so doing he cannot claim self-defense. >> so what you see in that video is his left arm reaching for the gun, holding it up. that is what provokes this entire incident. and one of the things to keep in mind is that when the defendant provokes the incident, he loses the right to self-defense. you cannot claim self-defense against a danger you create. that is critical right here. if you're the one who is threatening others you lose the right to claim self-defense. you lose the right to self-defense when you are the one who brought the gun. >> kyle rittenhouse killed two
people last august. 36-year-old joseph rosenbaum and 26-year-old anthony huber. he also wounded a third man who survived. the assistant district attorney argued that rittenhouse incited the first shooting of joseph rosenbaum when he pointed his ar-15 rifle at people and he said rittenhouse created the conditions for the subsequent shootings because the crowd believed he was an active shooter. >> in this case the crowd was right. the crowd knew the defendant had just shot someone. when they're coming after him they know he has just shot and killed joseph rosenbaum. not every active shooter situation does the crowd have perfect knowledge. when they are told that person running up the street just shot someone, we don't have time in the moment to go back and take a look at the body and replay the video and make a decision before going after the person with the gun. every day we read about heroes that stop active shooters. that's what was going on here. >> the defense also wrapped up their closing arguments this
evening and tried to place the blame on the people who kyle rittenhouse shot. >> kyle shot joseph rosenbaum to stop a threat to his person. i'm glad he shot him because if joseph rosenbaum had got that gun i don't for a minute believe he wouldn't have used it against somebody else. he was irrational and crazy. every person who was shot was attacking kyle. >> the defense just rested. the judge gave the jury final instructions. they will start deliberating first thing tomorrow. tonya perry is a former federal prosecutor, former new york state deputy attorney general. david henderson is also a former prosecutor and criminal defense attorney and they both join me now. great to have you here. i thought the clips we played in the closing arguments sort of distilled down the essence of the case even independent of the law in some ways. rittenhouse, that moment we all see in the video when
rittenhouse is on the ground and he has the gun and he shoots up, clearly, he is at some sense defending himself. he is on the ground. there is someone over him one of whom has a gun. also, that situation was produced by the fact that a whole crowd thought there was an active shooter and he was it and was going to try to do the right thing. david, what does that cash out in the law? that argument that in some ways precipitating the incident takes away your right to self-defense. what does the law say about that? >> chris, you are hitting the nail on the head and you can keep the argument tighter with regard to what rittenhouse did. that is gun owners understand you can own a gun, carry a gun, but they don't seem to understand you cannot threaten people with your gun. the moment you point your gun at someone you have now committed a crime, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. that person has the right to self-defense. that started with rosenbaum. rittenhouse said, well i shot him in part because he is reaching for my gun.
well, you pointed your gun at him claiming that you had to use lethal force to stop him. i think the legal analysis really begins there. but it became very muddled over the course of the trial and makes me concerned about the verdict. >> that point about, sort of the enraging tragedy of the entire thing which is almost every actor including kyle rittenhouse at least in those discreet moments has a plausible claim they were trying to defend themselves. rosenbaum reaches for the gun because he pointed it at him. then rittenhouse gets to say, well he is reaching for my gun so i was defending myself. the crowd says, well, he just shot someone. go stop him. then he is on the ground. you have this set of incredibly horrific violent acts each of which have some plausible claim to self-defense. >> yes, that's a great distillation of this trial and of this problem more broadly. theish yow here is did mr. rittenhouse act reasonably in
self-defense and, also, did he provoke or as the prosecutor put it create the very danger that occurred here. that is exactly what you can't do. in wisconsin you can own a gun. you can carry it openly. you cannot create a danger and then claim you are acting in self-defense. that is the essence of it and it is a true jury issue. it is interesting the facts are, very few facts are in dispute here. there was video, testimony, and there are some places where the video may have been grainy and that may be a question for the jury to determine, but at the end of the day, it really will come down to those two questions. did kyle rittenhouse act reasonably and did he provoke this entire situation? did he cause the very trouble that is at issue in this trial.
a tough issue for the jury to decide. you can never predict what a jury may do but it may be a tough one. >> it seems from the amount of trial i've watched, the analysis i've read it is in some ways a hard case for the prosecution to make for a variety of reasons. that that hasn't necessarily been made easier by the judge or the prosecution's own performance. is that your sense if you had to distill a top line here, david? >> yes. chris, from the get-go i didn't think this was a winnable case. i feel better after closing arguments today but i didn't until closing arguments and here is part of the problem. the over arching themes are not simply self-defense and whether rittenhouse' beliefs were reasonable. indirectly you are putting the police on trial. the police saw him out there with the rifle and passed water to him. he ran down the street holding the assault rifle after he shot three people killing two and
they didn't even stop him and question him. you are indirectly putting the police on trial and also gun laws. in this case what is consistent with the other cases we currently see in the news is people who believe in those laws and the police being taken for granted these days are likely to acquit kyle rittenhouse for reasons far beyond the legalities of this specific trial. >> what do you think, diana? >> i agree with a lot of what david said. but it is as we see on twitter and public debate a polarizing case. while there may be some jurors who go in that direction, there are maybe others who will be troubled. in this case, the judge took away with one hand. he took away a misdemeanor count at the very last minute but he gave with the other hand and allowed lesser included offenses to be charged. and so you could very well see again i hate to be in the prediction business when you've got a jury deliberating, but you
could very well see a hung jury here or a compromise verdict. >> can i stop you there for one second? i just want to follow up because i didn't understand that and i watched that happen today. he take away the weapons charge which seems clear cut. he was definitely holding the weapon, right? cited an exception to the law dealing with hunting, the age of the defendant, the length of the barrel which apparently was not long enough to qualify for the offense and then he said they consider lesser charges on whether he provoked the attack. what does that add up to? >> so you're absolutely right. the sixth charge which was the misdemeanor unlawful possession of a weapon count by a minor seemed to have been a slam dunk. he was of course under age. he was of course carrying a rifle. so that should have been an easy win for the prosecution the judge citing what he believed to be a certain murkiness in the
law dismissed it at the very last minute not giving the prosecution an opportunity to appeal that. that is gone and cannot be the basis for a compromise verdict by the jury. the judge did allow lesser included offenses with respect to two of the charged crimes. and so that would be potentially an opportunity for the jury if they cannot agree unanimously on one of the more serious offenses to say, okay. let's split the baby here and agree on a lower offense. although, those charges do still carry very significant penalties. >> all right. tonya perry and david henderson thank you both. that was very clarifying. appreciate it. conspiracy theorist alex jones lost in court today after a judge found him libel for defamation, spreading lies about the sandy hook attack. one of the lawyers in that case joins me just ahead.
i thought i was managing my moderate to severe crohn's disease. then i realized something was missing... ...me. my symptoms were keeping me from being there for her. so, i talked to my doctor and learned humira is the #1 prescribed biologic for people with crohn's disease. humira helps people achieve remission that can last. and the majority of people on humira saw significant symptom relief in as little as 4 weeks. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. be there for you, and them. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. learn how abbvie could help you save on humira. (vo) wildfires have reached historic levels.
as fires keep raging, the need to replant trees keeps growing. so subaru is growing our commitment to protect the environment. in partnership with the national forest foundation, subaru and our retailers are proud to help replant 1 million trees to help restore our forests. subaru. more than a car company. what does the future of strength look like? ♪ it's a personal trainer that assesses your strength and adds weight as you progress. it's dynamic weight that adjusts for you in real time for a more efficient workout. c'mon! and it's a roster of coaches that motivate you to get stronger, faster. the future is strength you can feel and results you can see. and you can only experience it... (sigh) ...on tonal. ♪ manhood looks different from guy to guy.
but when yours bends in a different direction, you might feel bothered by it. so talk to a urologist. because a bend in your erection might be peyronie's disease or pd. it's a condition that involves a buildup of scar tissue. but, it's treatable. xiaflex is the only fda- approved nonsurgical treatment for appropriate adult men with peyronie's disease. along with daily penile stretching and straightening exercises, xiaflex has been proven to help gradually reduce the bend. don't receive if the treatment area involves your urethra, or if you're allergic to any collagenase or any of the ingredients. may cause serious side effects, including: penile fracture or other serious injury during an erection, and severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. seek help if you have any of these symptoms. do not have any sexual activity during and for at least 4 weeks after each treatment cycle. sudden back pain reactions after treatment may occur. tell your doctor if you have a bleeding condition or take blood thinners as risk of bleeding or bruising at the treatment site is increased. talk to a urologist about what your manhood could look like. find a xiaflex-trained urologist at bentcarrot.com if you smell gas, you're too close.
leave the structure, call 911, keep people away, and call pg&e right after so we can both respond out and keep the public safe. one of the most important things you can do is to make sure you call 811 before you dig. calling 811 to get your lines marked: it's free, it's easy, we come out and mark your lines, we provide you the information so you will dig safely.
it is a very crowded field but alex jones might be the preeminent purveyor of sick conspiracy theories in this country a fringe radio host who made his living selling over priced ineffective vitamin supplements like alpha power and brain force. jones was catapulted into the main stream when then candidate donald trump appeared on his radio show in 2015 and praised his, quote, amazing reputation. jones has spent his time ranting about truly bizarre conspiracies. really the spoke ones not just the main ones like the government is controlling hurricanes with weather weapons and my personal favorite chemicals in the water turning frogs gay. he has been pushing really dangerous lies, 9/11 was an inside job, hillary clinton was running a child sex ring, and most horribly the 2012 sandy hook shooting where six adults and 20 first graders were
murdered, that it never happened. that it was a hoax. it was staged by crisis actors. most of jones' videos about sandy hook have been removed from the web. here is one example that aired in the excellent pbs front line documentary. >> the whole thing was fake. i mean even i couldn't believe it. i knew they jumped on it, used the crisis, typed it up. then i did deep research and my gosh. it just pretty much didn't happen. >> jones was sued for defamation by eight sandy hook families who argued that he profited by spreading lies about the murder of their loved ones. jones tried to blame his comment on a quote form of psychosis brought on by the quote trauma of the media and corporations lying so much. today a judge ruled for the family saying because jones refused to turn over documents ordered by the courts including financial records he was liable by default. so what does that mean? what happens next? one of the lawyers for the sandy
hook families joins me now. it is good to have you. first just describe for us what the actual suit was here. what were you alleging in the lawsuit? >> sure, chris. alex jones did something very simple. in an effort to make a lot of money really easily without much work, he decided he would prey on the families of sandy hook to come up with a theory of, a story, a narrative so ridiculous and cruel that it would appeal to a certain amount of people in our society and that would drive traffic to his platform in which he could sell his products like you described and make a lot of money real easily and quickly. that is exactly what he did and it didn't matter to him to what advantage he was making the families pay. >> so in the united states you can say a lot of horrible things about people under the first
amendment. but, you know, defamation exists. what is the standard here that you were presenting to the judge that presented this, that pushes this over from someone being a heinous person to actually committing a civil infraction? chlk sure. first of all, the motive here is to make money. he makes money by getting people's attention and standing out among a field of people who say terrible things. he knows what he is saying is false. he knows it is totally beyond the pale. there is no value to this speech. it has none of the hallmarks of the type of speech we hold dear in this country, that we might disagree with but recognize people have the right to say. >> today the judge ruled in the family's favor due to, i mean my understanding is jones' posture toward the suit is just like, a little like bannon's posture toward the january 6 committee like i'm just not doing
anything. screw you. is that -- i mean, what happened and what does the ruling mean? >> it is an apt analogy. it just shows no matter how much a person disrespects and has no respect for our judicial system the system provides them the same opportunities as if they respected the person. what happened today was exactly what alex jones knew would happen which is the judge gave him a lot of warnings to come up with the evidence that the families are entitled to that shows his business conduct. and the parameters of that. how he makes money. jones must not want us to see that. he must not want us to see that so badly that he will even accept what he knew was coming was a default. so that just begs the question of exactly how -- could it actually be even worse than we think it is? >> that is striking. so at issue are documents relating to his business enterprise and the means by which he makes money which are
subject to discovery for the suit and he is just refusing to hand those over and is instead essentially affirmatively opting for default judgment against him to be liable for the defamation rather than produce the documents. >> exactly. first of all, i've learned you under estimate alex jones at your own peril. he is an extremely smart person. he knows exactly what he is doing. everything he does is calculated. this was a decision to not disclose this information because i'm sure they felt that they would be better off having to go in front of a jury without the jury knowing all of this and the sordid details of how they make money without due regard to other people's lives or safety. >> so what happens next? this has been a nine-year journey i think for these families or somewhere around that timeline. what happens next? >> what happens next is they -- really there is a hearing before a jury.
the families still get their day in court and get to explain to a connecticut jury exactly how alex jones impacted their lives by preying on their pain and by and by getting in the way of their healing process and allowing them to grieve something that sadly really did happen. if there is anybody that would love for sandy hook not to have happened, chris, it is the sandy hook families. >> how long has this suit been working its way for the court? i followed it here and there. it has been a story that i've sort of kept up on and it seems like it has been a very long time to get to this moment today. >> it has been. again, the law has given, the system has given alex jones a lot of opportunities to even extensions of time and that is what has resulted in this delay. he filed an appeal that got to the connecticut supreme court. he tried to appeal to the united
states supreme court. all of this ate up months and months of time. i'm sure he hoped the families would just lose faith and give up. but if he thought that he doesn't understand the resolve of these families. >> how are your clients, these families, feeling today? >> i mean, they're feeling both that pleased that the court put its poot -- put this foot down. not that the court hasn't been doing it. but they are also feeling like this is another ploy by alex jones to prevent them from learning what went on behind closed doors and to prevent them from accomplishing one of the things they really want to accomplish, which is to make it clear to the public there are lots of ways to make money in this country and this is not one of them. this is not acceptable. they do not want to see other people go through what they have been and then to be preyed on like they were preyed on by this man. >> yeah. speaking to editorialize for a moment not legally but morally, it is indefensibly despicable what has happened. thank you for making time with
us tonight. >> thank you. appreciate it. it is finally infrastructure week in america. the president signs his bipartisan infrastructure deal into law. senator brown is here to talk about the huge win for the biden administration just ahead. stick around. [ sneezing ] it's time for, plop plop fizz fizz. alka seltzer plus cold relief. dissolves quickly. instantly ready to start working. so you can bounce back fast with alka-seltzer plus. ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪ you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. >> are you ready to start a great career? >> safelite is now hiring. >> you will love your job. >> there's room to grow... >> ...and lots of opportunities. >> so, what are you waiting for? >> apply now... >> ...and make a difference. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ >> man, i love that song!
living with metastatic breast cancer means being relentless. because every day matters. and having more of them is possible with verzenio. the only one of its kind proven to help you live significantly longer when taken with fulvestrant, regardless of menopause. verzenio + fulvestrant is for hr+, her2-metastatic breast cancer that has progressed after hormone therapy. diarrhea is common, may be severe, or cause dehydration or infection. at the first sign, call your doctor start an anti-diarrheal and drink fluids. before taking verzenio, tell your doctor about any fever, chills, or other signs of infection. verzenio may cause low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infection that can lead to death. life-threatening lung inflammation can occur. tell your doctor about any new or worsening trouble breathing, cough, or chest pain. serious liver problems can happen. symptoms include fatigue, appetite loss, stomach pain and bleeding or bruising. blood clots that can lead to death have occurred. tell your doctor if you have pain or swelling in your arms or legs, shortness of breath, chest pain, and rapid breathing or heart rate, or if you're nursing, pregnant or plan to be. every day matters. and i want more of them. ask your doctor about everyday verzenio.
here comes the interception. oh... -shawn? yes. thank you. you're welcome. have a great day. if it's “that will leave a mark season,” it's walgreens season. first psoriasis, then psoriatic arthritis. it was really holding me back. standing up... ...even walking was tough. my joints hurt. i was afraid things were going to get worse. i was always hiding, and that's just not me. not being there for my family, that hurt. woooo! i had to do something. i started cosentyx®. i'm feeling good. watch me. cosentyx helps people with psoriatic arthritis move, look, and feel better. it targets more than just joint pain and treats the multiple symptoms like joint swelling and tenderness, back pain, helps clear skin and helps stop further joint damage. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections—some serious
—and the lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms or if you've had a vaccine or plan to. tell your doctor if your crohn's disease symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic reactions may occur. it's good to be moving on. watch me. move, look, and feel better. ask your rheumatologist about cosentyx. texas has become home to some of the most radical right wing legislation in the country. roe v. wade is effectively gutted there right now. republican greg abbott has fallen out of favor with many in the state. the latest polling shows his approval under water. 48% disapproval just 43% approving a sign of the republican governor's vulnerability as he faces a primary challenge from the right in the person of former texas republican party chair alan west. today abbott is getting a formidible challenger on the left as beto o'rourke announces his campaign for governor. he was a texas congressman who
rose to national prominence when he came within three points of unseating senator ted cruz in a state where donald trump had beaten hillary clinton by nine points two years before. he ran in the 2020 democratic presidential primary solidifying his national presence in head-to-head match-ups with other major democratic contenders. tomorrow night beto will join our show for an exclusive interview to discuss how he plans to beat greg abbott in a state that has not had a democratic governor since 1995. you do not want to miss it. up next, no matter which party wins the governor's mansion in texas next year they will have more money than ever to help their state now that president biden has signed the bipartisan infrastructure bill into law. that's next.
with chase security features, guidance and convenience, banking feels good. chase. make more of what's yours. tonight, i'll be eating a club sandwich with fries and a side of mayonnaise. [doorbell rings] wonderful! mayonnaise? on fries? a little judgy, don't you think? ♪ that's weird. so weird. ♪ oouf. i'll also be needing, stain remover, club soda and a roll of paper towels. [doorbell rings] lifesaver! you're weird, man. to each his own. feeling sluggish or weighed down? you're weird, man. it could be a sign that your digestive system isn't working at it's best taking metamucil everyday can help. metamucil psyllium fiber, gels to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down. it also helps lower cholesterol and slows sugar absorption to promote healthy blood sugar levels. so you can feel lighter and more energetic metamucil. support your daily digestive health.
do you think it is possible you have too much money? to understand the core of president joe biden's political problem right now look no further than arizona's republican governor doug doocy who last week took to the pages of "the wall street journal" to detail the ways the administration is quote hostile to the state i lead.
then today the great fanfare he sent out a press release titled governor ducey invests a hundred million dollars to expand high speed broadband. oh, wow. sounds like a good idea. where did the money for such an important improvement come from? funding comes from the american rescue plan act. yes, that would be the same american rescue plan pushed by joe biden the minute he won the presidency, signed into law by joe biden over this year without a seng l, not one, republican vote. the bill was even watered down by arizona's own senator kyrsten sinema when she infamously gave a thumbs down to raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour. yet the governor of arizona is perfectly happy to use the money from the american rescue plan joe biden signed into law days after biden for not helping his state. it is a quandary the president find himself in right now. he faces implaquable opposition even as he passed extremely popular legislation like the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill he signed
into law today. >> when you see those projects starting in your home towns i want you to feel what i feel. pride. pride in what we can do together as the united states of america. folks, the same goes for my plan to build back better for the people. getting folks back to work and reducing cost of things like child care, elder care, housing, health care, prescription drugs. together with the infrastructure bill millions of lives will be changed for the better. >> the infrastructure law enjoys 63% approval according to a recent "the washington post"/abc news poll. the build back better bill has 58% approval yet the president's approval rating in the very same poll is just 41% which raises a sticky question for democrats in the midterms. if passing popular legislation doesn't make you popular with the voters what does? senator brown joins me now.
i'm sure you would cheer this headline i want to read, mana from heaven. after months of politics the infrastructure bill is now law. what is next for ohio? for ohio the law could mean a whole host of things. money for columbus transportation projects, new bridge to ease congestion, broadband in app latcha and maybe even amtrak routes. are you excited about the ribbon cuttings and such coming ohio's way? >> i'm excited about the ribbon cuttings and more about putting people to work. about building the bridge, what it means in appalachia and the east side of cleveland to the first students to have broadband. i'm excited about the investment m public transit systems in ohio. we know that is all part of this bill. i hear this about poll numbers and 11 months till the next
election but more importantly we aren't talking about what we have accomplished. we didn't talk enough about the child tax credit which 90% of ohio families since july have gotten -- are getting a $3,000 tax cut, 90% of ohio families getting at least that amount. we didn't talk about fixing the pension system. once the two bills are done right now, this one and the build back better, we all go on the road and start talking about it and how it affects people's lives and clearly affects people's lives in a positive way, you know, i want voters in macon, georgia in july to say you know i voted for biden and harris. i voted for warnock and my life got better. that is what we're going to be seeing and hearing and those poll numbers will look very different and the election will in 2022. >> just to follow up on the child tax credit which i have been fascinated by both because i followed the sort of long
policy prehistory of this which you have been fighting for for a very long time, came to fruition. some extension is probably in the build back better bill depend on how long. when you talk about that, do you hear constituents talk about it voluntarily? like are you getting people saying, i am getting this thing and it is really helping me. are people aware of it in their lives? >> they are absolutely aware of it. they don't really know where it came from. one of the things we do is around this time every month and we did again this week, we asked people, tell us your stories about what the child tax credit means to you. it relieves the anxiety, the last week of the month to figure out how to cobble together the money to pay your rent. one father said i can now buy equipment for my daughter's softball team. a mother said i sent my son to summer camp this year for a week. we're hearing people say i'm setting aside money for community college. all of the things that come out of this.
we listen to those stories and we talk about those stories. i never really have made predictions on your show much over the years but one prediction i'll make is child tax credit will be as popular as social security and how dare republicans all of whom voted no as you remember and democrats all of us voted yes, how dare they try to take it away in 2022 or 2024 or whenever the next election cycle comes up. >> i first covered you back in 2006 when you ran for senate in ohio and you were taking on the incumbent mike dewine i believe who is now the governor. and i think dewine obviously is a republican but has done a credible job on some of the covid stuff, quite early in responding. rob portman i think you have a good working relationship with and rob portman one of the republicans who voted for the bipartisan infrastructure bill and was at the white house today. i got to ask you what you think about this republican primary
happening in your state. which really feels like a race to a bottom where you have one candidate running ads telling everyone josh mandel is jewish, you got josh mandel pulling over the side of the road saying everyone should massively resist vaccines. i mean, what is going on in that race? >> well, essentially they've all -- they are almost all of them are against the infrastructure bill which senator portman and i teamed up on and the number of senate republicans not all that many house republicans voted for it and they are paying a political price. they've lost their minds. we have a good strong candidate tim ryan who understands the dignity of work who is running his campaign putting workers at the center of his campaign as he will do that in the senate. i think this is a seat, not one people are counting on much because trump carried ohio twice by eight points. there are only three of us in the senate that represent state -- democrats who represent states won twice john tester and
joe manchin but the news is going to be good out of this race. we have a good candidate and they lost their mind on the republican side. >> final question also about your state and redistricting where the republicans there are pushing. they already have a wildly gerrymandered map which they crafted back in 2010, the aftermath of that. they are pushing to add another seat. it would end up with a crazy 13-2 balance against. people think of ohio as a red state. you represent it. trump won by eight points. a 13-2 map the gap between that and how divided the state is, really seems quite a lot. >> yes, i mean, we go to court. all the voters and people who have fought this extreme gerrymandering. 12-4 the last ten years and not one of the 16 seats ever changed parties during the five elections. that is how precise they do in a state that is growing real fast how precisely they do
redistricting. there will be lawsuits. i don't think this is going to stand. but i know that they are all like mitch mcconnell. all they care about is power and right wing judges and big tax cuts is what they live for and what they continue to do. voters aren't going to buy it this time. >> senator brown of ohio one of the three senators who represent those three state. that is it. thank you. good evening, rachel. the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. president joe biden gave his first state of the union address in april this year. he could have done it in january or february which is pretty typical for when state of the union addresses tend to happen these days but he decided to wait until almost the end of april until he was a hundred days into his administration before he gave his state of union. yes i know it is not technically a state of the union add