tv The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC January 5, 2022 3:00pm-4:00pm PST
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admitted the january 6th plot. we have two lawyers to break down some of the implications of that later tonight. there's also been a lot of news and reaction. also, shawn hannity's leaked text to the white house causing all kinds of ripples. we will get into that and exactly what he and his team are saying which is pretty interesting. we begin where america is right now, hours away from the anniversary of that stain on our democracy. the insurrection. a year later the fact finding and push for accountability continues on two tracks. there is a congressional committee that can look at basically everything, including how to prevent anyone that would stage in our coup and then the prosecutions in the federal department of justice. right now a former trump press secretary stephanie bishop who has plenty of knowledge about the propaganda, lies, claims, electioneering, all of what was going on in the white house including up to january 6th, she
is actually meeting with the committee investigators right now. there have been interviews with over 350 witnesses. there has been a review of over 35,000 records, 52 subpoenas and at least two criminal referrals. that's two that we know about. mark meadows and steve bannon in their own criminal legal jeopardy. bannon, who was part of the coup plot is fighting his case. he is legally presumed innocent. he is facing the prospect of jail time. and then the other track, the prosecution's, attorney general garland, he has been leading one of the most complex federal investigations he inherited clearly from day one on the job but he's facing outside criticism from legal experts and others about how far to go, who to prosecute and punish, not only with the people who were caught red handed on tape at the sight of the insurrection but those who may have committed
other crimes pursuant to encouraging, inciting it, organizing it. garland was the one speaking about the facts and what he says his office will do without partisanship, fear, favor to hold all, quote, perpetrators accountable. >> the justice department remains committed to holding all january 6th perpetrators at any level accountable under law whether they were present that day or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy. we will follow the facts wherever they lead. most important, we follow the facts, not an agenda or an assumption, facts. >> no agenda, just the facts. prosecutions where warranted. that's the word going out to u.s. attorney's offices around the nation. we're joined by one of our legal
assistants who was in the famed southern district of new york and a former mayoral candidate in that city. thanks for coming back. >> thanks for having me, ari. good job last night. >> thank you. we're obviously going to get to that at some point in the program. it's all related. last night we heard about a trump aide who under questioning talked about a specific plan to steal the election. today we heard about pursuing this without fear of favor. let's start with the law and evidence when he says this a year later with open probes in these federal offices? >> well, let's start with the first thing that everyone should understand because i think it is completely understandable that there is so much frustration that things don't appear to be moving fast and furious against some of the top aides that have been participating and organizing part of what you helped uncover last night. but here's the thing, if you are sitting in the department of justice, whether you're merrick
garland, assistant attorney general or any other attorney, you are not going to talk about what is happening in that investigation. so the truth is we don't know how much has or has not happened, and it is important to recognize that because when merrick garland says we will follow the facts, that is the job and that does require keeping that in house, not talking about that publicly. but i think this is part of the frustration, right? because we even heard liz cheney, a republican, sitting on the january 6th committee suggesting rightly from all that they started to reveal in the contempt proceedings against steve bannon and mark meadows that the evidence is pointing to donald trump directly engaged in both getting excited about, allowing and having discussions that suggested he understands exactly what he is doing, which
is why people are saying, how much more do we need? the truth is, we need it all, right? any prosecutor is going to say we want to know not only what we know from emails, not only what we know from witnesses, we want to try to ascertain what they will say in their defense before we bring a case. but there's no question, and liz cheney has said it herself, that we have donald trump minimum both having knowledge in advance that there was fear of violence, we have actually bob kosta and bob woodward in their book "peril" saying they have people close to the facts saying donald trump was engaged in conversations and knew and was pushing pence hard including if there was more violence happening at the capitol before it happened, wouldn't that be great? we have pence saying in that reporting, no, it wouldn't. and we also have the fact that
donald trump had a television, understood exactly what was happening at the capitol, had republicans pleading with him to do something and not doing anything for three hours. all of those really point to a mindset that is intentional around conspiracy of sedition and that is why people are understandably getting a bit frustrated. but i say let's follow the facts. let's let the committee and let the department of justice do what they do. >> you make such an astute point about how we gather facts, the investigative point, which is totally different than what anyone thinks, opinion, judgment of people who have acted very irresponsibly. that's sort of for the public square but as you mentioned, people who might be criticizing pence for many other things he's done in, say, politics and government are learning from the investigation that it was precisely someone like him, a fact witness in the room pushing
back on things including the plot which we were asking about last night, asking him to do potentially illegal things he rejected, that gives us more a concrete sense of where those lines were developed which brings us the next story i have for you. maya wiley stays with us. here's the story. it has to do with the evidence we're getting, the heat on shawn hannity. he's also someone that many people feel has been an aider and abetter of trump until the very end and yet it is from this investigation, i can't underscore this enough, that we learn new things that show different hannity in private than his public trump defense. the text where he was privately urging mark meadows, i do not see january 6th happening the way trump is being told. then the day before the insurrection, one year ago tonight, i'm very worried about the next 48 hours.
then days later, when it had already gone down he was still pleading with trump to drop the big lie asking him through meadows and others to literally just never mention the election again, ever. what does hannity say now? tonight as this has all burst into public view. does he explain to his fox audience why he did sound so different in private than on air? does he argue that in his view maybe the texts show he was the reasonable person in the room, whatever else he's ever said, when the riot was actually coming, he could argue he was the one urging donald trump to stop the violence. worried about the next 48 hours, not cheering it on? my answer for you is none of the above. because this man, who's made his career fortune and a quite powerful perch of talking has gone personally silent on the matter. we took a look at hannity's show last night. there was coverage of washington, afghanistan. he never mentioned his own newsworthy request from this committee or texts which were
the front page news. this might seem like an odd time and topic to go silent on. legal considerations could be in play. the only formal response from team hannity was from his lawyer, a lawyer he shares, by the way, with donald trump. i'm talking about former trump impeachment attorney jay sekulow. this raises first amendment concerns. fact check, true. as we reported last night, there is strong law and press dent that protects members of the media from many types of investigative tools that could compel really cooperation from almost anyone else. that's one of the things about first amendment law yet this issue is also broader than a legal seminar. it goes to who warned trump about what was coming. it goes to who fanned the flames while evidence shows they knew better in real time and whether some of the loudest voices backing trumpism to its very
ugly end to that first term in public whether they feared how real an authoritarian coup could be in private. on the eve of january 6th, that's one year ago tonight, he was publicly touting leaders of the effort to stop trump's laws. now sometimes call it green bay sweep like ted cruz. he was floating hannity like the insurrection might have been led by something other than trump people. >> thomsen tore cruz and others are promising to vote against certification. they are demanding audits of the 2020 election. we also knew that there's always bad actors that will infiltrate large crowds, i don't care if they're radical left, radical right. texas senator ted cruz joins us. big day tomorrow. i don't know who they are. they're not people i would support. >> big day tomorrow. he was talking one year ago tonight.
it was a big day. privately he was worried it was going to be a terrible day. rarely do you see these kind of high level contacts between this type of powerful person in the press and chief of staff and the president and texts also refer to calls with the president. whether or not this committee will ever legally hear from hannity, all of this goes to what the committee letter spells out. this should not be about politics or any particular program. it's about who knew what going into what would become this fateful american insurrection. maya wiley is still here. we're joined by juanita tallman. >> i appreciate you running the footage from last night because in his mind if he doesn't say it on air, then it's not true. that's the tone he approached your story with. i think that's the tone he approaches his own text messages with. when the select committee is saying we know what you said to whom and when you said it, tell
us why you said it, he's going to back away like we've seen every other trump ally do, expect him to go the court route because what he has to be grimacing about right now when reading that letter, that little footnote, ari, says documents on file with the select committee because while they're saying these are your text messages, these are the questions you were asked, these are the concerns you were raising while you were lying to the public, while you were lying to your audience, we know even more. that is what's going to make him feel backed into a corner. as you said at the top of the show, the select committee has talked to 350 other witnesses, i'm sure some of whom can corroborate what sean hannity knew and when. when we zoom out in the frame of questions, my mind goes into how they're going to use anything around hannity and his conversations with trump to try to fill in some of the gaps they have around trump's state of mind, trump's frame of reference, what he was thinking, what he was considering doing, what he didn't do in those hours
where he was silenced and paint that picture. that's critical, especially as they come up to the more public phase of their hearings in the next coming months. >> maya? >> cosign. i just want to point one thing out very specifically that we have seen in the requests for shawn hannity, which is we have reason to believe you talked directly to donald trump in advance of january 6th. we're not talking about -- i think the letter makes very clear, they're not asking sean hannity, tell us what your sources hold. tell us who your sources are, the types of things that typically protect journalists from these kinds of investigations. this is not that. this is sean hannity as a fact witness, not behaving as a reporter. but behaving as someone who is part of the team.
he's saying, look, y'all, i'm here on the team. i'm worried. what are we doing? here's my advice to you. this is the exact same kind of thing that got chris cuomo off the air on cnn when he was helping his brother, governor of new york at the time, cuomo, with his legal troubles. so just remember that. this is not an instance in terms of how the committee has framed its requests to sean hannity that is implicating him as a journalist, it's implicating him as a fact witness. >> right. that's an incise sieve legal point as we've come to expect from maya. juanita, i turn that piece of toast over for you to hit the media political side which is one of the great problems we have in society is the normalizing of the bad decline of so many things and institutions. and i respect, i just said i talked about the first amendment
rights over at that program. i respect their rights to say and believe what they want. i think that's a great part of america. but speak to the political and media expectations, juanita, what maya said, the text expects him to be lobbying, running government policy for donald trump from his perch. >> it was no secret that trump would call hannity regularly because what we know is that trump wants to make sure that his appeal to the masses is firm. he wants to stay in their good graces. he calls him in his presidency. the most recent series of calls around january 6th is what is ultimately going to be damning for hannity to have played a role in, helping to essentially facilitate a coup to some degree, try to back it down. the reality is we're likely to see this continue in the future.
i think we've seen all the calls across the internet saying we shouldn't consider that channel even news considering they don't do reporting. hannity says he's not a reporter, he's not a journalist. but in this role what they're unveiling is this direct line not only to the white houses and trump presidency, but to other elected officials. >> right. >> we know they're leveraging and abusing. >> right. >> a mass media outlet in order to communicate lies and communicate to a base level that will eat it up. they also eat it up every day. we know that base will act on it, act on it violently as we saw on january 6th. >> that goes to normalizing that. it matters to society for reasons you both have expertly stated. it relies to people who rely on mr. hannity for information and news. he's in the news and the one place you can't find out about it as of last night is on mr. hannity's program. thanks to both of you. a lot of food for thought. coming up, later we will get
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avoid all hospitals. he doesn't avoid all vaccines. that's why some of this is crap. senator johnson himself, well, he took issue with god's natural remedies when he recommended mouth wash to treat covid. so that was his idea of a solution. and that goes to the point that this stuff is not consistent. it may cause play as some kind of logical or scientific discussion but it is actually brute force politics that can endanger your life. which is why we go to someone at the intersection of medicine, a doctor who is also known in the world of politics. dr. dean is here. we'll be back in 60 seconds. get decision tech. for insights on when to buy and sell. and proactive alerts on market events. that's decision tech. only from fidelity.
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fact-based review of what we just heard there from the senator among others but you are the doctor who also understands how politics can corrupt. what do you see here? >> i see two people who have no idea what they're talking about. they're malevolent. they're doing things that harm people and neither one of them deserves to be along with the united states senate along with other people who are spreading these kind of lies. it's harming the constituents and harming the country. let's be truthful about this. we are much better off because a lot of us have been vaccinated. the idea of quote, unquote, natural immunity avoiding vaccination is the lies. what's going on, if you are vaccinated the chances -- excuse me, if you're not vaccinated. if you are vaccinated, then you're in pretty good shape except there is a class of people that are not allowed to get vaccinated right now. that's a mistake, i think, and that needs to be fixed sooner rather than later. that's kids under 5. they are not permitted to have
vaccinations. the pfizer tests -- vaccination was postponed because they gave two doses and they didn't have that much of an effect. dhe as far as i know pass the safety testing so i would urge the fda and urge pfizer to apply for emergency action use right away and get that done quickly so under 5s conditioning vaccinated. the number of kids in hospital care has gone up dramatically. there's an article in "the guardian" today that's a really good one showing all of this. the deaths are almost all unvaccinated kids. most of them are between 5 and 12 and there are parents for whatever reason didn't get them vaccinated. i think to eliminate a class of people, which is under 5s, from vaccination, i think it's unwarranted at this time. >> yeah. >> because i think the safety aspects of the tests have been passed and that's the most important part. >> i want to ask you a public health question for people watching, doctor and governor. if somebody says, okay, if it's
true that this variant is milder and variants may continue to get milder and they, for whatever reason have not go then boosted or fully vaccinated or maybe not gotten any shots at all, if it's all getting milder, then i don't need it. what do you say that? >> that's ridiculous. i grew up when there was no mumps vaccine. i knew plenty of people who got mumps but once the vaccine was out there, everybody got it, partly because it was required and partly because it avoids things like male sterility rates. there are 1,000 children who have died already because of the virus. most of it's delta and it's kids that weren't vaccinated for the wrong reasons. this is still a serious problem and to say omicron is milder than delta, okay, maybe the death rate will be 100,000
people instead of 800,000 people, that is a ridiculous argument. >> when will this be over? >> probably never. i think what's going to happen is ultimately this will be like the flu. the disease will be a little milder once everybody gets vaccinated and there will be probably new variants every winter and we're going to have to take some sort of a shot against the coronavirus every winter as we do in the flu shots. i can remember when i was first in medicine, flu shots were not routine. nobody over 65 got them -- over 65 got them because they're obviously most vulnerable. now most adults and i think some kids get flu shots in the winter and probably we're going to end up with that situation. i don't think this is ever going to go away, but it need not be the dangerous pandemic that kills nearly 800,000 americans as it is today. >> we always appreciate your clarity, your bluntness and your
science. doctor governor dean, thank you sir. >> thanks very much. we're going to fit in a break. i am urging you to stay with us because i'm going to explain why so many people are talking about this today, not just because it happened to occur here. a top trump aide who served in the white house detailing on live tv that they really did plan to steal the election. >> do you realize you are describing a coup? >> no. >> john flannery on the implications, legally and otherwise, next. ♪ limu emu and doug.♪ and it's easy to customize your insurance at libertymutual.com so you only pay for what you need. isn't that right limu? limu? limu? sorry, one sec. doug blows several different whistles.
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as america faces the anniversary of january 6th tomorrow, the insurrection remains under investigation. some facts are clear, people violently tried to overthrow the government. some are still under review. how much did top white house officials know about what exactly was coming? a benign explanation would be that some officials talked tough but fully expected everyone to leave on january 20th and then that gathering turned violent. a more incriminating theory of the case is that top people did try and intend to stay in power ending democracy and stealing the election from the current lawful president today, joe biden. canceling an election to stay in power is called a coup. a word in the news right now after a top trump white house
aide admitted a group plot to indeed hold on to power past the inauguration. you can see here in many big outlets those headlines are about what trump white house veteran peter navarro said here on the beat last night when asked about his plans with steve bannon and trump and what the intent and goal was. he openly described the thought to try to steal the election from biden. that admission matters because, one, he's confirming the illicit goal of overturning the election and, two, this is exactly what's under investigation right now. and, three, it's a playbook top republicans want to use again in future elections. so catching it and understanding it is key. now, when someone admits wrongdoing it is tempting to question what they're even up to. why confess to a failed plot to overturn the election from the past? could be a bid to try to
normalize this power grab. could be a kind of deflection from the violence at the capitol. it could also just be poor judgment. sean carter has described this condition advising, please don't talk about plots you ain't never gonna use. y'all always tell on yourself. i am just so confused. and it can look confusing. >> i went over tens of thousands of pages of documents and proved that the election was in all likelihood stolen through fraud and election irregularities. >> that's false. >> you can say that's false, that's fine. we'll disagree. i've got to say that and what i'm saying is that that -- >> i don't have to say anything, sir. i'm asking you, the question is, what was the plan itself and who was in on it? >> exactly. and i'm going to tell you that. the plan was simply this, we were going to challenge the results of the election in the
six battleground states. we believed that if the votes were sent back to those battleground states, that most or all of those states would decertify the election. that would throw the election to the house of representatives. the election was still in doubt. the remedy was for vice president pence as the quarterback in the green bay sweep to remand those votes back to the six battleground states. >> do you realize you are describing a coup? >> no. the secretaries of state in michigan and pennsylvania, they were put in power by george sorrows. issues of failure of the judicial branch. you keep saying the courts rejected the claims. >> they did. >> everything that went to court -- >> don't you understand, if that actually was the system it would be dumb and dangerous? we have an entire system designed to thwart, i want to say this respectfully, but it's the truth, people like you.
to stop people like you. people like you are what the constitution is designed to stop. it worked and it did stop you. joined by former prosecutor and counsel to congressional investigative committees john flannery. >> good to be here. >> your thoughts on what we learned from peter navarro under that questioning in the interview. >> well, you should be on a police show. that was excellent, what you did last night. i very much enjoyed that. getting at the truth is always a challenge. i've always said as a prosecutor, even as a lawyer, that you don't catch the geniuses and this guy is no genius. the other part of it may be the arrogance. we pardon people, we do things, nobody does anything. i think garland should use your model for the fbi to go out right now. any prosecutor, that's what they would be doing. what do i see here? i see a case for seditious conspiracy. it's a section of the code. it's a crime.
it's serious. they conspire, do they try to overthrow the government? yes. do they try to prevent the law from being passed? yes. is there deceit and fraud in their plan? yes, both facts and law. the facts where they're wrong, they say, oh, there are problems with all the elections. there's not a single fact that supports them, not the audits of the election, not the court cases, nothing as you said last night. but they do another thing, all of them do, when i say all of them, i mean those trumpeteers, lackeys for trump for this bargain. they say, i believed it. like you could believe it even if it was a delusional belief. you said people can say anything. it's true. you're free to say it. but in this case, not so because you're using it for some other reason. their rhetorical pirouette which i think is interesting, he says, we thought there were six states that would -- >> right. >> -- give it a chance. two of them are bogus.
arizona, even recently we had still audits upon audits and they didn't change the result, but the -- >> right. >> -- one is georgia. we heard the president try to change it. we heard the secretary of state saying to pound sand. >> we're going to put some of that on the screen. we have some of those maps as a fact check. on the one hand, as you say, we got information out of in this case mr. navorro, a fact witness or more, and we also fact checked him some at the time but we have these maps we can put up that show basically some of the states he was talking about. and you'll see those. the audits and the result did not waiver. you had biden winning these states outright and there are independent rules for potential recounts under state law and a process. we were at the end of that process that was nonpartisan and you have him lying about it and saying they would use lies about that to create doubt which
otherwise wouldn't exist and then try to steal the election. that's a coup, whether it's bloodless or not. in the follow-up, this made news. i mentioned it made headlines. steve bannon is a big part of this. navorro is telling on him and, thus, as i mentioned, telling on themselves. bannon defying the commission but they're still talking about it. navorro went on bannon's show today where they did their own review of the interview and bannon went on to sort of chide them. hey, they're not reasonable. they want to put out this is the way they're going to do things. take a look. >> i couldn't play enough of this. the whole time -- >> hang on. but you see what i did there. >> no, no, no. >> you see what i did there? >> i'm not taking any crap from you. >> ari melber is a trowel. you have to go back -- every time he makes a statement, you have to get up in his fate and refute it. you're trying to pivot, reasonable men can disagree.
no, we're not reasonable men. we're unreasonable. unreasonable men are those who change history. we're unreasonable. >> some might be tempted not to take that seriously, and it has a certain style to it. but the man talking was indicted once and pardoned by the federal powers of the person he helped elect, donald trump. now he's indicted again and they're saying in public, john, that their goals are to normalize this, to make this a prerequisite that you will do things that they say. unreasonable men who change history. what should be the response in the elections ahead? >> if i had a staff we'd have an fbi agent in the office and i'd come along. if we had enough for a warrant, we'd administer it immediately. they're talking about committing high crimes and misdemeanors in the seditions act.
i talked about the facts. the law where they go wrong is they say, oh, it's in the constitution. article 12 of the constitution only provides that the vice president counts the vote. that is when there are no challenges, no alternate -- so that's a lie. and what is their explanation to that? the vice president wouldn't violate the constitution and let it happen. that is affecting the law, the constitutional law by which we succeed. it seems to be they have no place to hide. i don't know if you know shakespeare's quote, guilt spills itself for fear of being spilled. they say what better insult is there to a person. i'm totally unreasonable. oh, yes, well, sign up. i'd like to hire you. that's the person who is attacking the government. a totally unreasonable one. his line was you call the play,
you run the play. that's what they did. what happened was on the way to that success story, they failed. they had to succeed to get away with this, and they didn't. >> right. they were thwarted. >> they should be in jail. >> that's not for me to say. you're a guest, you can say it. they were thwarted and they didn't just spill the tactics, they spilled the people they say were in on it. navarro cites trump is in on it, that's big. the president who would benefit from the coup. he also cites ted cruz, a one-time presidential candidate who might run again. this person announcing the coup plot telling america ted cruz was in on it. people have to factor this in and figure out what kind of democracy we want to maintain. some of it does look zany. good to see you as always. >> good to be with you. >> previously, sir. 20 seconds. go ahead. >> okay. 20 seconds is -- well, 20 seconds is why did these guys do what they did?
they wanted the power. now we're in a position in which we have an attorney who says everybody is accessible. you have to do it now. a year afterwards to prove you mean it, prove to people there is going to be a reckoning and an accounting at the least, there should be an interview before a grand jury so they can't run into it. that's the failure of the system. too many people are critical for our attorney general for doing nothing. >> he does get the last word there. we have a key member of the judiciary committee who will be here to get into some of this and more. stay with us. and having more of them is possible with verzenio. the only one of its kind proven to help you live significantly longer when taken with fulvestrant, regardless of menopause. verzenio + fulvestrant is for hr+, her2-metastatic breast cancer that has progressed after hormone therapy. diarrhea is common, may be severe, or cause dehydration or infection. at the first sign, call your doctor start an anti-diarrheal and drink fluids.
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which is appropriate but he also broadly said there's more to come. >> the justice department remains committed to holding all january 6th perpetrators at any level accountable under law whether they were present that day or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy. the actions we have taken thus far will not be our last. >> but a year in many results are available and some say it's not enough. i am joined by democratic senator from rhode island, sheldon white house. welcome back, sir. >> thanks, ari, good to be with you. >> absolutely. this is an important time. you put out a new statement. with regard to this doj probe, quote, sweeping up low level players while ignoring the kingpins of stream isn't a full investigation end quote. why do you say the doj investigation at this point is
not full and what should it look like? >> well, merrick garland would agree with me it's not fully said so at his own speech he would continue and also said you ordinary in an investigation begin with the smaller say this was a drug ring, street level dealers and work your way up to the leaders and the kingpins and he used that analogy about starting with the smaller cases and working up and the clip you used, i think is the most important one. whether physically present that day or otherwise criminally accountable. i think it will be that otherwise criminal accountable segment that we're going to be looking to. so far, it has been a very large array of trespassing and glorified trespassing prosecutions of people who actually broke into the building, but it is not gone into the various rings that might have supported that or
into the key fundraisers and ringleaders behind the whole thing. so, you know, tbd, as you said it's totally appropriate for us not to know their investigative steps particularly if it's grand jury work but at the moment, all that they've shown us so far has been basically street dealing prosecutions. >> does the available evidence suggest that there should be criminal lie ability for people around donald trump or government or people in his poll -- political operation? >> it provides predication for instigating an investigation, looking into it and trying to drill down whether you can and should make a case and there is a very good comment by jamie raskin in a piece that just came out from elizabeth drew who has been watching these things in washington for a long time as a very wise observer and raskin
said look, basically there are three circles here. there is the out earring of all the crazies that bashed into the building who the department of justice has been focussing on so far and then there are rings themselves, the qanon groups, the proud boys, the oath keepers and to the extent they broke into the building, the doj has been looking at them as well but then there is the inner circle raskin -- committee is looking at. i hope between that comity's work and the doj's work the kingpins and ringleaders get their due. >> while i have you as a top senator on all things legal, which includes voting rights and senate rules, chuck schumer promises a vote on something. we don't know what by mlk day. does that mean senator schumer must have 50 votes for something with regard to stopping types of mcconnell filibuster obstruction? >> no, i think at this point what it means is that we can no
longer go in a definite mode of waiting to find what will please our recounts of senators. there has to be a closer -- some form of closure and perhaps with that form of closure a decision will finally be made and i hope very much it will be to our benefit -- >> senator -- >> a 50-person democratic caucus. >> senator, it sounds like you're getting emotional with your friend joe manchin. what does closure with joe manchin look like, sir? >> you know, at some point when people negotiate things, they need to put forward their positions, something they will agree to in a negotiation, i don't think it appropriate to keep saying no, no, no, no. you've got -- if you're dealing with your colleagues in good faith, you have to say this is what i want, not just no, but no, this is what i want. this is what i need. that's where we haven't gotten yet and i think that's where chuck's move takes us.
i also think it's going to be important for us to focus a lot harder on the dark money corruption part of the so-called voting rights bill because that's the real pain point for the republicans. that's the thing that really hurts them. that's the thing mitch mcconnell's minions and the koch brothers minions were talking about with the crypt night issue and they are so scared, they're accusing us of being defenders of dark money when they are. another signal this is their pain point and if we apply more pressure of the pain point, we might be able to garner forward motion here. >> yeah, you worked on that issue a long time. one of the bills pelosi passed is dealing with the finance issues and that's onefilibuster.
if you want to bring joe manchin here to have a public discussion, we can call it anything. we can call it an interview, we can call it a group therapy for closure. we would be interested in all the answers, sir. >> when we have something to tell you, i will be the happiest senator. >> all right. fair enough. that's how the news is sometimes. senator whitehouse. thank you. we'll be right back. thank you. we'll be right back. but then ray went from no to know. with freestyle libre 2, now he knows his glucose levels when he needs to. and... when he wants to. so ray... can be ray. take the mystery out of your glucose levels, and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free. visit freestylelibre.us what does the future of strength look like? ♪ ♪ it's a personal trainer that assesses your strength and adds weight as you progress.
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good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" on the eve of the capitol insurrection anniversary. one year ago tonight, all the pieces were in place for donald trump to attempt something that has never been done in this country. for weeks after 81 million americans declined to reelect him, trump had been calling on his supporters to descend on washington promising it will be wild. and on january 5th. he praised the thousands pouring into d.c.