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>> plus, an update on that breaking news in the bronx. 19 lives including children lost. after a fire swept through their high-rise. officials a short time ago revealing what sparked it. >> a new hour of "american voices" begins right now. thanks for being with us. i'm alicia menendez. we begin this hour with what the world is saying about us. they worry our democracy is being dismantled. while republicans would have you believe falsely that one of the greatest threats to our country comes from our neighbors to the south, it turns out our neighbors to the north, canada, same feeling about us. they fear we, the united states, are making global democracy less secure. here's how an op-ed in canada's top newspaper puts it. by 2025, american democracy could collapse, causing extreme domestic, political instability. including widespread civil violence. by 2030, if not sooner, the
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country could be governed by a right-wing dictatorship. country is becoming increasingly ungovernable and some experts believe it could descend into civil war. a terrible storm coming from the south, and canada is woefully unprepared. that is how one of our allies sees us. they're outside looking in. think about what it is they have seen. now former president urging supporters to fight like hell for that mob stormed the capitol to overturn an election. since that day, extremism has only grown. republicans still refuse to accept president biden is in fact our president, working day in, day out to rig the system for next time. npr analysis finds out of this year's secretary of state races, at least 15 republican candidates question the legitimacy of president biden's 2020 win. despite 14 months of proof that there was no widespread voter fraud. as texas representative colin allred said today on msnbc, it is a trend to worry about.
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>> we know that in 2024, there's going to be an attempt to change the results of an election from one of the swing states. we know that. now we have to prepare. what are we going to do about it? we need people who will defend our democracy first, who will take their responsibility of overseeing our elections seriously, and are not these kind of cultests in many ways who it doesn't really matter what the results are, who will try and find a way to say that donald trump won. >> helping fuel it all, unwillingness among republicans to call january 6th what it was. in the 12 months since the attack, they have called rioters tourists, even peaceful patriots. senator ted cruz is now apologizing for calling what happened a terrorist attack. he's saying sorry for telling the truth, bowing to pressure from his base and from fox news. it is a whitewashing of reality that republican voters, well, they are buying into. npr finding only 10% willing to
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call it an attempted coup or insurrection. so the global faith in the strength of our democracy waning and our democracy itself hanging in the balance, how do we save ourselves? joining me now, msnbc national security analyst and former fbi investigator, frank figliuzzi and former watergate prosecutor jill wine banks. she cohosts a podcast and the hashtag sisters in law podcast. even as i was reading that script, it still continues to shock me that we find ourselves in this moment where we have other countries questioning the validity, the strength of our democracy. i want to bring in a piece that you wrote for msnbc daily. you write, the november midterm elections may serve as more than just a reflection of which party america's voters want to control congress. it may also be a test of much of our law enforcement and domestic security agencies have learned from the lapses that have led to
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last year's january 6th u.s. capitol riot. donald trump will won't be on any ballot in the midterms but his strategy to sow confusion and anger at election results could serve as a template for terror particularly if he or his cronies are facing indictment for what happened last january. how should law enforcement be preparing for future elections? >> first, they need to acknowledge reality. no one can look in the law enforcement and intel community can look at what happened on january 6th and declare that a success. right? so they have got to first acknowledge there were lapses. next, why? what happens next? how do we get out ahead of this? and that comes down to anticipatory intelligence. what does that mean? let's look on the horizon, the short term horizon. everyone keeps focusing on 2024 elections. let's look at the midterms, perhaps even an event than happens sooner. we know from accountability, over 700 arrests for those who
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participated in january 6th violence, that the proud boys and other organizations have decided to go local. what does that mean? it means we have to get started, start getting ready for the potential for violence, perhaps around the midterms at state houses, state capitols, perhaps around the issue of certifying extremely close u.s. senate races in some key states, and i cite what those states might be. and start equipping local, county, and state law enforcement to start identifying the threats. bottom line is we need to get the fbi into position where they can help local and state law enforcement by what i explained in the article are called threat assessments. it appears that a threat assessment was not open for ratifying the electoral college vote on january 6th. i have seen threat assessments open for far less than that. we need to anticipate events like the -- >> i'm sorry. explain to me how that is possible, frank. >> yeah, well, i'll go a step further. not only does it appear a threat
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assessment wasn't opened but it should been declared what's called a national security special event. alicia, they declare a national security special event for things like the super bowl, a football game every year, yet the peaceful transfer of power was not treated even with a threat assessment that would have allowed the fbi to gather open source data from where? social media, collect source information, you could do that. now, let's think ahead. look at the next possible event. open that threat assessment. work with social media platforms, give them key words and phrases tied to that coming event. it can all be done lawfully if they'll just get out in front of it. >> jill, there is preparing for what is forthcoming and then there is accountability for what has already transpired in the interest of making sure this does not happen again. the department of justice has now indicted more than 700 people in connection with the riot. what do each of those prosecutions tell americans about the rule of law and paying the price for participating in
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what is an attempted coup? >> i agree that accountability is the first step to stopping a recurrence of january 6th, but the accountability of those who invaded the capitol is not enough. >> yes. >> it does tell us that there is the rule of law will count and that you will pay a price for a violent attack on democracy. remember, this was not just an attack on the building. it was an attempt to stop the counting of the votes. that's an attack on democracy. but there are other things that are equally essential, besides accountability for the higher ups involved in not just planning january 6th but in other acts of trying to interfere with the election. the phone call to georgia is a prime example. in addition to accountability, we need to have voting rights passed so that voters do not lose faith in the promises that were made to get them to the polls to begin with.
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and because it's the right thing to do to have voting rights passed. we also need to stop the disinformation that is so rampant. we have to reform social media. we have to teach in our schools critical thinking skills so that people learn to understand what is true and what is false. until we have a common set of facts, we can't have a democracy. and right now, we can argue policy, but we can't do it on the basis of our own facts. we have to come to some agreement on facts, and we need to have smart goals that are strategically and tactically planned so they are achievable and time bound. they're relevant to what we need, they are achievable. it has to be something that we put a timeframe on. not just an aspirational goal of fixing our democracy. we need the specifics of things
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like teaching civics in schools and critical thinking. those are specific acts that we can take to help prevent another january 6th. >> frank, to jill's point about arguing over facts, which is where we find ourselves in this current environment, i want to bring back a new npr poll shows just 10% of republicans are willing to describe january 6th as an attempted coup or insurrection. your estimation of how rhetoric from republicans, those who whitewashed the reality of what happened, how does that fuel extremism? >> there's no question that changing people's perceptions, their perception becoming their reality, is becoming entrenched here, and it's a strategy moving forward, alicia. look what's happening with replacement, violent threats against election officials. replacement of those state and local election officials with people aligned with the trump base, right? and what is that about? it's about really controlling the election. if you can't control the
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election, then they're going to control the perception of the results, to the point where the actual fact, the vote tally, the vote count may not matter as much as people's perception of the vote count. if you can enhance the level of doubt around election outcomes, people get angered. violent. violently angered, and understandably so. so this notion of i have my facts, you have your facts. we manage the perception. that's the strategy moving forward that's very dangerous. >> frank figliuzzi, thank you so much for your time. jill, you're sticking with me. still ahead, governor abbott wants another term in texas. do democrats stand a chance defeating him? we'll ask julian castro after the break. >> and later, new legal troubles facing the trump family from the former president down. those new developments ahead on "american voices." >> first, richard lui with an update on the breaking news from the bronx. >> high rise fire this morning in the bronx now described by new york officials as the
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deadliest in several decades. in all, 19 people dead, 9 of the victims are kids. and let's go straight to nbc news correspondent kathy park on the scene with more. kathy, what are you seeing right now? >> well, richard, i can tell you dozens more are recovering from smoke inhalation. the fire broke out just before 11:00 this morning at this 19-story apartment complex behind me. more than 100 units. this was a large fire, a five-alarm fire. at one point, 200 firefighters were on scene knocking down flames and rescuing residents. earlier today, the fire commissioner explained what may have sparked this deadly fire. >> it started in a malfunctioning electric space heater. that was the cause of the fire. the fire consumed that apartment that is on two floors and part of the hallway. the door to that apartment, unfortunately, when the residents left, was left open. it did not close by itself. the smoke spread throughout the building.
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thus, the tremendous loss of life and other people fighting for their lives. >> and the fire commissioner added that there are smoke alarms installed throughout the building. in fact, a resident heard an alarm, saw the smoke, and then called for help right away. richard, still so many questions on what went wrong. back to you. >> all right, thanks so much, kathy park live for us. we'll have more details throughout the night right here, and we'll also have more "american voices" right after this short break. demonstrating her congestion. save it slimeball. i've upgraded to mucinex. we still have 12 hours to australia. mucinex lasts 12 hours, so i'm good. now move! kim, no! mucinex lasts 3x longer for 12 hours. ♪ limu emu and doug.♪ and it's easy to customize your insurance at libertymutual.com so you only pay for what you need. isn't that right limu? limu? limu? sorry, one sec. doug blows several different whistles. doug blows several different whistles.
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one of trump's biggest backers, texas governor greg abbott, wants another term. kicked off his bid for re-election at a hispanic leadership summit saturday in the rio grande valley. believing hispanic voters in texas will keep texas red. >> and i'm proud of all of the hispanic leaders who are a part of this, some of whom are part
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of this. others are from across the entire state of texas. i want to thank all of whom are doing a fabulous job of spreading the message that in the heart of hispanics, they really are republicans, and together, they will keep texas red. >> let's not forget as governor, abbott has railed against basic covid safety measures like wearing masks, signed measures into law that make it harder for texans to vote through sb-1. not to mention the state's new congressional maps drawn by republicans to favor republicans. doj is suing over both, saying they disadvantage voters of color. is it enough ammo for democrats to defeat abbott in the governor's race? joining us, former hud secretary julian castro, former mayor of san antonio, and msnbc political analyst and host of the our america podcast. secretary castro, what did you make of that announcement?
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secretary, i think you're muted. i got to get you unmuted. >> there you go. my apologies. i was saying that it is clear that greg abbott and texas republicans believe that they have an opportunity in the valley of texas, which is heavily latino, heavily mexican american, and especially after what happened in november 2020 where trump overperformed in several counties in south texas. this also is nothing new, right? 20 years ago, when george w. bush ran for re-election as governor in texas, he got over 44% of the hispanic vote. so that's nothing new. what is new, though, is i think the heartburn among democrats, and a greater awareness now of the need to do all of the blocking and tackling in politics that it requires to
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make sure you're not taking that vote for granted. the good news is that the democratic candidate, former congressman beto o'rourke, is spending a lot of time in the rio grande valley, has articulated a strong bold agenda that will benefit all texans, but including latinos here in texas. and latinos still gravitate toward the democratic party in texas and nationally. so this can be a source of strength for beto o'rourke and democrats, but they can't take it for granted. >> this is exactly why i wanted to talk to you, secretary castro, so i'm glad we're able to have this conversation. the other piece of this that is interesting to me is as we have watched governor abbott cozy up to former president trump so much of that discourse has been about his potential own national interests in running for president. when it comes to texas itself, right, that alignment with trump, there is certainly a portion of the electorate that that is going to mobilize in his
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favor. i have to imagine there's also a portion of the electorate that is going to mobilize to come out and vote against him. >> no doubt. look, during the trump years, we went from a texas that voted for mitt romney in 2012 by 16 points or barack obama to 2020 where trump only won the state by 5 1/2 points. that was the worst showing for a republican in more than 20 years. so people gravitated away from republicans during the trump years. for greg abbott to cozy up to donald trump, to win his primary, which he absolutely has been doing and needs to do, it also risks pushing away hispanics and suburban texans that have powered the democratic coalition to win congressional districts like colin allred's district, like lizzie fletcher's district in the suburbs of dfw and of houston. it also risks any gains they think they may have made in the
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rio grande valley. so it is a balancing act on the republican side. it presents an opportunity, beto o'rourke and the democrats make the investments in getting those votes in south texas and in the suburbs that donald trump made available to them in the last eight years. >> have to ask you about another texan making headlines last week. senator cruz for taking back calling the insurrection a terrorist attack. i think at this point all of our viewers have seen that clip. what is his apology on fox news tell you? >> the most spineless politician in america. you know t is ironic that i'm here in san antonio, texas, the home of the alamo, and texas is known as this state where people have a bold, independent attitude, the defenders of the alamo that will go to any lengths to defend their cause. and texas has as a senator the most weasleyest, spineless
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politician we have seen come along on the national stage in a long time. this is a man who won't stand up for anything. he wouldn't stand up for his family and donald trump attacks him, he wouldn't stand up for his constituents when the winter storm happened and left instead to the ritz-carlton in cancun, and now won't even stand up for himself when he correctly called what happened on january 6th a terrorist attack. and then gets challenged by tucker carlson, and immediately backs down and grovels to tucker and his audience. because he'll do anything to preserve his standing with that maga crowd because he thinks he's still going to be president one day. >> secretary castro, thank you for talking all things texas with us. next, legal troubles facing the trumps. new details about the investigations into his business and his presidency. >> and later, a look at the underbelly of far-right politics in america. we discuss what it takes to defeat this rise in extremism. we're following that breaking news out of the bronx, 19 people
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look at you making a space that works perfectly for all of you! i could use a good nap. i don't want to overstate this because we have seen donald get away with so much. but even he at this point must be feeling the walls close in. >> new potential troubles for the trumps. the one/6 committee is eyeing possible referrals for criminal conduct to the doj which could include everyday of a conspiracy by the former president. committee chairman bennie thompson also suggested he's interested in what ivanka trump might have to say about the events of that day. then, of course, there's new york. learned this past week that new york attorney general letitia james subpoenaed both ivanka and don jr. as part of her investigation into the former president's business practices. this after hitting the former president with a subpoena of his
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own late last year. so where is this all heading? let's ask trial attorney and msnbc legal contributor katie fang. jill wine banks is also with us. >> guardian reports the select committee is also looking at whether trump oversaw an unlawful conspiracy that involved coordination between the political elements of the white house, a plan to republican lawmakers. and extremist groups that stormed the capitol. what legal liability does that potentially pose for the former president? >> well, it smell spells it out pretty clearly there. the idea he could have been a coconspirator is what the 1/6 committee is trying to figure, but it's a fact finding truth seeking body. its role is not to prosecute, but let's be frank. there have been two criminal referrals but not for the actual underlying conspiracy that took place leading up to the fateful day of january 6th. it's the noncompliance of the part of people like steve bannon and mark meadows.
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lest people get confused, a lot of the groundwork is being laid for potential prosecutions of people as high up the food chain as donald trump, but people critically like ivanka trump and donald trump jr. are going to be obviously within the line of sight for the 1/6 commission simply because they had direct contact with the former president on january 6th, but they are also privy to communications, text messages, et cetera, that would lay the foundation from an evidentiary standpoint to be able to prosecute them, maybe as well as other politicians, as well as maybe donald trump. >> jill, the possibility of a conspiracy charge is of course significant. but republican congressman liz cheney, a member of the committee, also hinted they're looking at the possibility of obstruction and even wire fraud by the gop. given your proximity to watergate, what could this lead to? >> it could lead to additional charges. as katie correctly stated, the
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purpose of congress is to pass legislation to fill any gaps in existing laws. the purpose of criminal indictments is to hold accountable those who violated existing law. and the existing laws of conspiracy, for example, and obstruction are very viable for prosecution. so it would just mean there could be jail terms for any of the people involved in the conspiracies. and january 6th is completely separate and apart, of course, from the business crimes that letitia james, the attorney general of new york, is looking at. she's looking at whether there was false reporting of the value of properties to pay lower taxes while reporting higher values to get better loans. it's a completely separate thing from what's happening in new york and what's happening at the january 6th committee. and what might be going on at the department of justice, which
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doesn't need a referral from the january 6th committee to bring any criminal cases for the wrongdoing of january 6th. that they can do just based on the facts that are out there in public that we all can see in front of our eyes. >> katie, i love that i keep asking both of you questions about the 1/6 committee and you both, of course, very much want to talk about what's happening at doj. but i have to ask you, chairman bennie thompson has indicated he would like to hear from trump's inner circle. that includes the former president's daughter, ivanka. as the riot unfolded, ivanka urged her dad to intervene, not once but twice. how could thoed efforts combined with possibly cooperated with the committee, what could it mean for her dad? >> think about it. it's not just the idea that he conspired leading up to the events on january 6th. critically on the day of january 6th, what did he do to stop what was transpiring? and that is what bennie thompson and other members of the january 6th committee have been talking
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about. this idea that he failed, that there was a dereliction of duty on the part of the former president of the united states to stop an insurrection in process, to stop a coup in process. so of course, if you're a co-conspirator in that coup, if you participated in the planning of that insurrection, you're not going to stop it. you're going foment it, you're going to encourage it. so if ivanka trump can confirm what liz cheney, bennie thompson have already talked about, the fact they already have evidence, it's not that they need her. they already have evidence linking her, stating to her father allegedly, you need to stop this from happening. they are giving her the chance to come over and corroborate, verify, and confirm. if she elects not to do it, she may be looking at a criminal referral as well. >> jill, your final thoughts. >> that i think it's time for action on the part of the attorney general of new york. the department of justice, and more public hearings by bennie thompson's committee. it is public hearings that can bring facts to the fore, that
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can possibly persuade anybody on the fence. the people who listen only to fox news are lost to the world right now in terms of truth. but there are people, republicans and independents, who need to hear the facts. so i would like to hear some public testimony by the people who know what donald trump did and didn't do. and we can go back to watergate and say what did the president know and when did he know it? >> jill, i as always appreciate spending time with you. and i have to say, out of all of your absolutely gorgeous pins, this one is incredibly spiking. i always urge people, go to twitter because jill is very good about sharing her rationale for which pin it is she chose. thank you so much. katie, you're staying with me. next, a jury of ghislaine maxwell's peers found her guilty of helping recruit girls for jeffrey epstein. now her lawyers for asking for that conviction to be overturned because of one juror's personal confession. >> and later, a rare look at how
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their experiences during deliberations with other jurors. and that has prompted maxwell's legal team to seek a new trial. katie phang is back with us. katie, do maxwell's lawyers have a case here? >> they have a very, very high burden to be able to convince a judge to grant a motion for a new trial. the federal rules of criminal procedure are clear. in order to get a new trial, it is only if the interest of justice require that to happen. and i know that sounds very vague and candidly, there is no definition within the actual rule of procedure as to whether it qualifies for that. but let's look at the law. the law says if a juror intentionally is dishonest or misleading, that can be a basis for a new trial. but the judges ordered in this case for the parties to brief the issue, not actually bring the jurors back for questioning, allow them to file legal briefed by january 19th in order to determine if an evidentiary
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hearing is necessary. one is for cause, meaning if that juror is not the right juror because they cannot be fair and impartial based upon the facts and the evidence or the issues that are going to be dealt with in this case. now, if you're not honest about whether or not you have been a prior victim of sexual abuse, then of course, if the claims and the nature of the charges in the case are such as they are, there is an argument that the defense is making that that juror should not have been sitting for purposes of judgment of ghislaine maxwell. >> the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization, raain says they're close to 500,000 americans victimized each year. is it reasonable to expect a survivor of rape or assault to not factor their lived experience into their verdict? and is it reasonable to ask them to share that experience when they're called for jury selection? >> i'm going to answer your question by saying it is unreasonable to expect a juror to be able to set aside any of their prior experiences, even though they're required to sit
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in fair and impartial judgment of a defendant. being the victim of sexual abuse in and of itself is not a disqualifying factor to be able to sit as a juror. if you can listen to the evidence, apply the law to the facts, and you're able to do so, you can sit in judgment. it is not a disqualifying characteristic of you to be able to serve as a juror for this type of case. >> can you explain to me, katie, understanding there is a very high bar to clear, how would a retrial even work in a case like this? >> well, a mistrial basically or a new trial would be granted. you have to pick brand-new jurors, and here's the interesting thing, though. when does that usually militate in the favor of the prosecution or defense? it depends because both the prosecution and the defense put on very strong cases. now you have all of this prior sworn testimony provided by the victims and provided by experts. so when you do a brand-new trial, alicia, all of that prior sworn testimony is completely free for all, meaning you can
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use it if you're the prosecutor. you can use it it you're the defense attorney. but remember, the jury did not convict ghislaine maxwell for all of the counts that she was facing. they acquitted her for one of them. meaning that the jury was thoughtful in the way that it looked at the evidence. we know it took a lot of time. they asked for the transcripts of the testimony. i believe that the judge is going to deny this motion for a new trial. >> if they were granted the right to a retrial, would that leave more room -- it must leave more room for the defense to find inconsistencies. >> absolutely. and that's exactly what i was talking about, this idea that they're going tostart picking apart the prior testimony from these victims. they started doing it in the original trial, right? because they looked at the statements that were given to law enforcement and there was this defense expert who was called to say that the memories fade over time or that they're distorted in some way or changed in some way. so yes, this will be fodder for the defense to be able to defend ghislaine maxwell and say all of
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the pick apart critical inkinsys that were previously heard are now going to be heard again or maybe it's going to be under attack is the bottom line. >> katie phang, as always, thank you so much for walking us through this. continue following that horrific breaking news from new york city. 19 now confirmed dead after a fire ripped through a high-rise building in the bronx section of the city. a short time ago, officials revealed nine of those victims are children. there are dozens of injuries to report as well. a number of them caused by smoke inhalation. from smoke billowing up to higher floors. officials confirming this morning' fire, one of the deadliest in 30 years. the fire officials say it was sparked by a malfunctioning space heater in a bedroom in a lower floor apartment. new york city's mayor, eric adams, commending fire crews who were on the scene within moments of the blaze being reported. >> and to say thank you to the men and women who went in this building, some of these firefighters, their oxygen --
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their oxygen tanks were empty. and they still pushed through the smoke. you can't do this if you don't feel attached to the city and this community. >> new york's governor kathy hochul saying she's horrified by news of the fire. and that her heart is with loved ones of all those tragically lost. starting monday, quote, we'll begin to rebuild. >> next, a rare look at the dark underbelly of american politics, white supremacy, extremist violence, and what could be helping those movements grow. >> and later, the president's sixth tour of a climate disaster. saying we can no longer ignore reality. real cowboys get customized car insurance with liberty mutual, so we only pay for what we need. -hey tex, -wooo. can someone else get a turn? yeah, hang on, i'm about to break my own record. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ okay everyone,
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behind efforts to stop an underground white supremacy movement. in the latest episode, the host goes one-on-one with extremists and uncovered a direct line from the chat rooms they use to what unfolded inside the capitol one years go. here's a portion of the episode in which a former fbi special agent breaks down an essential failure by americans. >> america has two problems. number one, we don't want to believe that americans can be terrorists. second, they definitely don't want to use the t word if it's a white male. when you hear about the el paso shooter, nobody wants to talk about him being idealogically motivated. he must have been a lone wolf, must have the mental health issues. america's denial is just incredible. >> proof of that denial provided this past week by senator ted cruz repenting on fox news for his sin of telling the truth
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about january 6th. claiming it was a mistake and sloppy for him to call what happened a terrorist attack. with me now, award-winning journalist, host, and executive producer of trafficked, my friend mar eanna van zeller. thank you so much for being with us. tell us about the most surprising thing you learned in your reporting of this story. >> i think it's this idea that we, whenever there are these terrorist attacks in the united states, perpetrated by these white supremacists, we tend to think of them as lone wolf attacks where. you think about the el paso shooting where 23 americans were killed and it was reported again and again in the media as a lone wolf attack. what we discovered in our reporting is these groups, these people very much operate as part of a global organization where they share information, they inspire each other, and sometimes as we found, they always train. they go to places such as ukraine to train, which is very scary. >> in your latest episode,
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season two of trafficked, you dig into this idea that no one is born to hate, that people are taught to hate. i want you to look at this data from usa today of the 727 people arrested in connection to the capitol riot, nearly ariot, nearly one-quarter of them were found to have ties to extremist groups or ideologies. 79% had no explicit ties to extremist movements or groups. our own data finding 13% of rioters arrested were women. how is all of this happening? >> it is so interesting. we spent time with the former neo-nazi, a skin head for this episode and he told us a lot of the reason he became a skin head when he was younger and now he is working very hard to try to deradicalize and get people out of these white supremacist movements, but it was a sense of disenfranchisement in his case. he didn't have much, a feeling that he belonged to anyone. he was approached -- or to
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anything. he didn't have a sense of identity really. he was approached by a skin head when he was 16 years old on a corner in chicago and he was easy bait. with the internet what's happening as he put it and we found as well is that the internet has become a, very much a 24/7 all you can eat hate buffet where it is easy for people, way too easy actually for people to become radicalized. >> i think at this point a lot of us have a really good sense of the problem and the challenge before us. i think we are all desperate for a sense of how we move forward. how we begin to eradicate this hate. is it an answer that comes from law enforcement, is it an answer that comes through policy, is it an answer that comes through protecting our right to vote? as you were reporting out this story, were there solutions? were there pathways forward for rooting out extremism that came
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to the surface? >> well, right now the authorities just don't have the framework in place to go after these organizations and these groups. that's a big problem. you know, we spent time with a member of the division now called the national socialist order. they are advocating and trying and fighting for a white only society, for whites only country. and some of the things he said to me and even showed me videos how they are distributing this material that is inciting violence and the killing of people, minorities in this country is crazy. the fact that if the fbi caught this video there is not much they can do. they don't have the tools necessary to go after them because these groups are not considered terrorist organizations. i don't think there is one single solution. i think it is a variety of things that need to be done including the deradicalization of some of these groups and people which is also not done in the united states quite yet. so i just think we are very far from having solutions yet.
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we have to become serious about this. >> my final question for you, can you talk to me just a little bit about what you heard about the role that politicians elected officials, people with a national platform play, i meerng as experts often say to me, a lot of these conspiracy theories once came from the fever swamps as they say and now there are people in the u.s. house of representatives in the u.s. senate who espouse these views on national television. that seems like that it would be a powerful motivator for people who want to believe that their beliefs are valid. >> it's a gateway, acceptance of some beliefs. not as if they are white supremacists themselves but we spent time with the proud boys for example right before the invasion of the capitol, two months before, and some of the people we were with including joe biggs was actually at the
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capitol. you know, they are not like the, some of these much more radical groups but in many ways sort of a gateway of acceptance of some of these beliefs. this is what we heard again and again. >> thank you as always for your time. watch "trafficked" on national geographic and on hulu. next a code red for america. with you. s try. hope. fail. i felt defeated. the pain, the stares. no one should suffer like that. i said, enough. i started cosentyx®. five years clear. four years clear. five years and counting. cosentyx works fast. for clear skin that can last. real people with psoriasis look and feel better with cosentyx. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections some serious, and a lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms, or if you've had a vaccine or plan to. tell your doctor if your crohn's disease symptoms develop or worsen.
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president biden visited colorado friday to survey damage from last month's wild fire in boulder county. taking time to speak with firefighters who worked tirelessly to fight the flames. the blaze destroyed nearly 1100 homes and businesses through two denver suburbs forcing 35,000 residents to flee just days before a new year. authorities still working to name what sparked it. there is one undeniable factor that fueled it. our changing climate leading to unusually wet conditions last spring in colorado followed by an extremely dry and warm december. both are linked to global warming and provided perfect conditions for what we saw play out in boulder county. adding insult to injury to those whose lives went up in smoke a winter wallop came new year's day. rubble, some still smoldering, dusted with snow. the role climate change played in the marshall fire not lost on the president during his visit friday which is his sixth climate disaster tour since taking office less than one year
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ago. here is what the president said after touring damage and sitting down with families affected promising help and action. >> the swag is a blinking code red for our nation because the combination of extreme drought, the driest period june to december ever recorded, unusually high winds, no snow on the ground to start. created a tinder box, literally. we can't ignore the reality that these fires are being supercharged or being supercharged by change in the weather. >> as highlighted by ott guardian" it capped a catastrophic year for the u.s. in which 650 people died from climate disasters including heat waves, hurricanes, fires, and floods. measures to mitigate the climate crisis are in the president's build back better bill which hangs in the balance stalled in the senate.
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those who oppose it say we just can't afford it. we also can't afford to do nothing. that is all the time i have for today. i am alicia menendez. for now i hand it over to mehdi hasan. hello, med hello. happy new year. do you think don't look up on our netflix will get our political class to take climate change more seriously? >> i do not know. i know a lot of people are very suspicious of it as a proper allegory but after i watch your show after i watch ayman's maybe i'll be able to watch it. >> give it a try. i enjoyed it. tonight on the mehdi hasan show it's been one year since capitol police officer brian sicknick collapsed after his run-in with pro trump rioters during his attack on the capitol. i'll ask his long-time partner if she still holds the former president responsible for his death and i'll ask an exper

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