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1/6 investigation do for the investigation itself? and a former coach putting himself on the line to tackle inequalities in the nfl. and as she celebrates 70 years on the throne, queen elizabeth breaks news a short time ago regarding the future of the monarchy. but let's begin the hour with the extreme becoming the mainstream for the rnc. the gop, calling itself the party of lincoln, is now more than ever the party of trump. buying into the lies. remember this quote posted thursday by the official gop twitter account, quote, the republican party is the party of law and order. the very next day, the republican national committee voted to censure fellow republican congresswoman liz cheney and congressman adam kinzinger, the party housing law and order, putting on historical record they're upset with two members of their party who dare dig up the truth about the
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lawlessness and disorder of january 6th. in condemning cheney and kissinger, the rnc writes, the primary mission of the republican party is to elect republicans to support the united states' constitution. however, the truth remains, cheney and kinzinger are the republicans who place loyalty to the constitution. they are not loyal to trump, which is the actual problem for the rnc. in texas last week rnc held a rally saying if he's president again, he may pardon capitol rioters. if you can believe it, the former guy actually told the truth, admitting he did want his vice president to overturn the will of the american people, of you. last night for once mike pence didn't back down to donald trump. he said his former boss, is, wait for it, wrong. >> president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs to the american people, and the american people alone.
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>> the rnc is doing much more than perverting the constitution in the name of upholding it. republican leaders now siding with the insurrection as mentioned. the rnc went on to say the 1/6 committee is a course of ordinary citizens engaged in political discourse. of course, there was nothing ordinary, nothing legitimate about the attack on the american democracy. the republican party is now officially whitewashing the assault that left five people dead and injured 140 officers. today senator lisa murkowski joined the very short list of republicans publicly calling out the rnc. she tweeted, we must not legitimize those actions that resulted in loss of life and we must learn from the horrible event so history does not repeat itself. clear the rnc is sending a dangerous message by siding with trump on this one, but we should all be worried too about who's listening. wednesday the 1/6 committee spoke with oath keepers founder
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steven rose. he's charged with conspiracy in connection to the capitol riot. this week on "the beat," i spoke to his estranged wife about her thoughts. >> i think they certainly have a great case that he planned this, he planned to disrupt everything in order to, you know, get trump to declare the insurrection act, they would come in and everything would be chaos, and somewhere in there oath keepers would be placed in some -- some, you know, basically brown shirt for trump. >> joining us now to discuss the extreme gop, msnbc national security analyst frank figliuzzi, msnbc legal analyst and co-host of the #sisters in law podcast, and ryan o'reilly,ly start with you because you're following the close prosecution of january 6th defendants. explain what is playing out in court, backed up against the
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rnc's belief that, quote, ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse? >> yeah, you know, less than an hour after that statement was sort of passed by the rnc, we had people in court who assaulted officers, they were caught on video assaulting officers that day. it really does put this juxtaposition between what the rnc is trying to say about what happened january 6th and what with actually happened on january 6th in pretty stark display. there are assault after assault after assault on officers that day. there's more than 350 people on the fbi's website who are still wanted in connection with this attack, most of them for assaulting officers and there are probably almost close to 2,000 people who could be charged potentially, more based on the numbers we've seen right now when the total population is over 2,500 who either entered the capitol or who assaulted officers outside. we're still at the very beginning only a year in of this investigation that could go on for a very long time and
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certainly as these trials get started, it will stretch over the next three, four years. >> frank, i don't know if you had a chance to read the resolution. i have been encouraging our readers to print it out, read it for themselves. it is about page long. it is striking from beginning to end, in the resolution the rnc also airs its grievances against democrats, a lot of rhetoric here, saying democrats want to replace liberty with socialism, eliminate border security, create, quote, inflation designed to steal the american dream. i bring all of that up because you lair it on top of they're saying this is legitimate political discourse, how does language that large actually help fuel extremism? >> it certainly doesn't help. in fact, it further radicalizes people. look, this has all of the hallmarks of a strategy, coordinated strategy to shape the hearts and minds of a certain segment of the population and kind of
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intimidate investigators and doj prosecutors across the country who are engaged in a very active investigation of what happened january 6th and, of course, the select committee. it's a public attempt to shape the argument. famously billy martin, the infamous former manager of the new york yankees was asked one time, why are you ranting and raving and yelling at the umpire? he's never going to change his call. billy martin said, i'm not arguing that call. i'm arguing for the next call. it's an attempt to intimidate, to bully, that's what's going on right now, so people think that if there's a legitimate theory here that the january 6th committee is out to get people, not out for justice, that any prosecution that comes down the pike is somehow going to be politicalized, that's what is going on here and at its worst through my security lens, it is going to give license to people to act out violently. you have president trump, was it
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last weekend or the weekend before, saying that certain prosecutors are vile people. well, their prosecutors are coming after his organization or his conduct. we're going to see this increasingly. i feel this is just the beginning of the strategy. >> barb, to that point, i want to turn to mike pence's comments. "the washington post" brands it this way, quote, pence, trump's ever-loyal vice president, took his most explicit shots at the former president saying, president trump is wrong. and he called for pence to overturn the election. pence drew rocket applause from the crowd of conservative lawyers at the federalist society conference. we've talked, i feel ad nauseam, about the politics of this barb. legally speaking, talk to me about the significance of these remarks. >> i think it's very important someone who is a staunch conservative, a republican and there at the federal societyist meeting, a meeting at the conservatives of law
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conservative movement, that the emperor was wrong, pence did not have the ability to overturn the election legally and what trump was asking him to do was illegal. i think it's an important moment. whether pence himself is going to testify before the january 6th committee or leave it to some of his aides like the chief of staff and others who have been cooperating to explain what they told donald trump, that is that there was no election fraud and no ability to overturn the election, because the one piece that's been missing in the public viewing is evidence trump knew what he was doing was fraudulent. we know all about the efforts he did in plain sight but to prove fraud, you have to show knowledge that he knew he did not win the election. so i think when people like mike pence talk about this and say president trump was wrong, he's told them that before. these aides know he told them that before, so that's what i want to know more about. what about william bart tell him
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in december before he resigned, that caused the doj white house official to threaten to resign from the white house? those are essential in trump's knowledge and intent. >> i spoke with the rose founder this week and i thought i wish i could speak with frank figliuzzi. and here you are. more of that conversation on the other side. you told "l.a. times" last year you originally envisioned the oath keepers as a, quote, cigar club of like-minded libertarians. what changed? >> i think it never really changed for him in his mind. i think the long goal all the time was to do something like what became. i think the libertarian side of things sort of left the meeting, libertarian anything goes kind of thing, that was a pitch that he gave because there was a very large ron paul movement at the
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time, there was a lot of money and energy into the ron paul movement and he wanted to absorb that. eventually later he morphed a little more to the right and a little more to the right and eventually he is following trump and anything trump says and does, and i think that was actually his plan all along. >> frank, based on what you know about the oath keepers, does that track, this idea it originally starts as a libertarian cigar club for men and ends up being what we know it is? >> i think rhodes' wife gives us tremendous insight, perhaps more than anyone can give with regard to what's going on in his mind. but i have to tell you, oath keepers, again, largely comprised of former military, former active duty law enforcement, i think these largely men were thinking, i'm good to sign up for protecting my oath to the constitution. i want to keep engaged. i'm out, i'm retired, i'm former. i want to stay in the game.
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i think there was good intention at the start for some of the erld early days of the oath keepers but, again, this is a story of radicalization. it's a story of starting in one place, as rhodes' wife said and moving rather rapidly, by the way, to a place of almost cult-like allegiance to one person. so that storey is the story of so many people who may not have acted out violently and planned an insurrection but many people, our neighbors, co-workers who actually started out saying i want a change in washington with trump and suddenly went really to a spectrum that said, you know, violence might be okay. >> my panel is sticking with me because after the quick break, we're talking next steps for the january 6th committee. congress moving ahead whether republicans like it or not. plus new reporting on how intense things are getting for targets of the investigation. and later race in the nfl, how one former coach is putting everything on the line for the greater good. first, richard lewis with breaking news in the royal
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family. >> that's right, queen elizabeth making a brow-raising announcement a short time ago. she's celebrating 70 years on the throne. nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter is in london with more for us. molly? >> hey, richard, good evening from london. that's right, big late-breaking news from the queen herself, about 10:00 p.m. local time. this has always been one of the big unanswered royal questions, and prince charles himself has really always deferred on this issue since they were married after the tumultuous princess diana years, camilla has always been an incredible hard-working member of the royal family. look at this statement, richard, queen elizabeth rights, in the fullness of time my son charles becomes king, i know you will give him and his wife camilla the same support that you have given me and it is my sincere wish that, when that time comes, camilla will be known as queen consort as she begins her royal service. a big reminder to the british people her son charles will be
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king and they should support him. second, richard, they should also support his wife of 17 years as the next queen of this country. only a reigning monarch can define titles so the queen effectively elevated camilla from princess consort, which was touted her future title. also a big takeaway, richard, a suggestion this is not imminent. she renewed her commitment to life of service very clearly. with we did see her today, look at these pictures, looking pretty well. a spokesperson for charles and camilla just said they were touched and honored by her majesty's words. big deal here tonight, richard. >> yeah, molly and, of course, she's looking great, the queen is. nbc's molly hunter, thank you. more "american voices" right after this quick break. after thk [limu emu squawks] woo! thirty-four miles per hour!
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if it acts like a mob, investigate it like a mob. the rnc called the capitol riot
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legitimate political discourse, one journal digged deeper. according to a report from "the new york times," the house is borrowing techniques from the prosecution, employing aggressive tactics traditionally used against mobsters and terrorists as it seeks to keep stonewalling from trump and its allies against the case, what could be seen as the best opportunity to hold trump accountable, the committee is learning what power it has in expansive ways to help deputy attorney general merrick garland prosecute them. the committee expected to be held in april or may with no shortage of evidence to show the american people. the pam has testimony from 475 witnesses, issuing more than 100 subpoenas and received 60,000 pages of documents. the panel is back with me. barb, if this is in fact as "the times" reports a pressure campaign from the committee, will attorney general garland be
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responsive? >> i don't think he's going to respond to pressure but i do think he's going to respond to information. in fact, it is clear to me he hasn't already. it was seen very likely according to his public remarks they're looking at the same things. there's been public reporting about collection of information by subpoena, for example, against sidney powell that has been publicly reported. so i don't know that he will utilize -- respond to pressure but i think he is responding to what appears to be strong predication for a criminal investigation here, and the same techniques being used kind of in the open with the january 6th committee, i suspect is going on more covertly in the justice department. >> frank, i just can't get over the fact they're using tactics they ordinarily reserve for terrorists and mobsters in a case involving the president of the united states. another part of the reporting from "the times" writes, armed with reams of telephone records
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and metadata, the committee has used link analysis, a data mapping technique that former fbi agents say was used to identify terrorist leaders in the 9/11 act. what does that tell you, frank, about the sophistication of this investigation? >> i'm encouraged to hear this, it's what we used to call the enterprise theory of investigation and today there's all kinds of software that engages in victim analysis and network analysis that can tell you, look, while this guy was talking to this person at this time, this similar conversation was going on here and then they hooked up an hour later. we can tell that through email, texts, et cetera. that's all good news on a level of sophistication. i am with barb though on this pressure concept, i'm troubled actually by the notion the committee might feel compelled to pressure the doj to do the right thing or prosecute what they otherwise would not prosecute. i don't believe that should be happening. in fact, we kind of saw this enterprise theory and pressure thing play out last week when we
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saw zo lofgren, a member of the community, hint on the air they're considering offing immunity to jeffrey clark. i don't like that idea because it's fraught with peril. you cannot prosecute somebody after you give them immunity. i don't like letting jeffrey clark off the hook but it smacks of, hey, we're working this like the mob, we want to flip him to get to somebody bigger but he's already a big fish and i get worried about coordination or lack thereof between the committee and doj. anything that impacts potential prosecution should really be coordinating carefully. >> ryan, i want you to feel free to add any reporting you have on this idea of being some type of pressure campaign and also your new reporting of the fbi's online database of 1/6 suspects. you write, the fbi has in some cases removed images from the database of individuals who haven't been arrested, sparking conspiracy theories from trump supporters for trying to paint january 6th not as an attack
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perp waited by trump enthusiasts but as a false flag event. tell me more. >> so essentially there's databases of a lot of different images, unlying anything the fbi's really ever done before and in many cases online snoops using these photos to then find additional photos and identify dozens and dozens and dozens of these people, who have not yet been arrested yet. but what's happened in some cases, especially in the case of ray epps, the most famous one, when his image was removed from the website, and there were a lot of explanations for that, one of them being he doesn't necessarily cross the lines prosecutors set. so there are thousands of people unlawfully on the grounds of the capitol. they're not going to prosecute all of those people but those who entered into the building and engaged in violence against members of the law enforcement or members outside. ray epps didn't fit into that
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category so it's right he be removed. now now there's an entire population of america who believes ray epps is some sort of undercover agent in some capacity and this is a false flag the fbi was perpetrating in some areas. and the fbi is a little restricted in what they can say because of the restrictions on their speech. they cannot say derogatory information about someone who hasn't been charged with. there's a little catch-22 yet. they're in a difficult position where they can't say this is why we moved someone from the website but because they can't come out and just say that, that sparked a lot of the conspiracy theories. >> i want to look loop back to something frank was talking about, the report that the 1/6 committee to thwart efforts of the community. your thoughts on that. >> i think it is brought with peril. one example is oliver north, brought by the iran-contra committee, he was later prosecuted criminally.
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he received from the committee and later his conviction was thrown out because it was found and determined prosecutors used evidence that was independent of his own testimony. because it was so public, it was impossible to know what people knew before and what people knew after his testimony. there is that risk that anyone you immunize, you may be giving up the opportunity to prosecute them. maybe that's okay. maybe there's some people you're willing to give up to get higher level people whose conduct is more egregious. but it would be important to coordinate that with the doj because you want to step on somebody's toes and immunize somebody who, it turns out, had very criminal conduct. >> frank, i want to, not picking and choosing while you're on the air but get to this, "the washington post" reported in a memo to the trump allies that floated the idea of using nsa data to find proof of also fraud that doesn't exist. how does that undermined
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national security? >> alisa, it seems like every week we get another indication of the complete exploitation of our intelligence committee. the rule of law and institutions. so, look, there's really almost nothing more classified in terms of the government function than what nsa does for a living. the thought you would turn that capability against the american people and undermined democracy by trying essentially to grasp at straws and say can we find anything out there, anything that sound like some foreign power might have messed with the election, the fact we reach into the highest levels of classification, the most sensitive work the intelligence community does and turn that for your own political purpose is really disgraceful. >> frank and barb, thank you, as always. ryan, i did not realize, this is your first time on air with us as an nbc news colleague. i'm so happy you and i are working at the same place once again. next, former coach brian flores tackling racial
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look, my story is not the only one of its kind around the national football league from black coaches, minorities, women in the nfl. i don't stand alone here. it's bigger than football. it's bigger than me. >> former dolphins head coach brian flores speaking out earlier today with this historic lawsuit against the national football league. the nfl are denying the allegations and flores' claim the owner tried to bribe him to
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lose games. commissioner goodell saying the nfl is bringing in outside experts to review diversity policies adding, quote, there's much work to do and we will embrace this moment and seize opportunity to become a stronger, more inclusive league. joining me now documentary film director jeffrey corbin and director jeremi duru, where he focuses on sports and the law. you spent two decades studying careers of race in the nfl. tell me more. >> it's just that, a huge development and groundbreaking development, not because of what is alleged but because the suit's been filed in the first place. that's what is groundbreaking. the allegations, you just heard brian flores earlier on the network explain he's not the only person to have this sort of experience. he's not. you walk the halls of the combine and the super bowl and you talk to coaches, executive of color in quiet corner and
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they will explain they had these sorts of experiences. if you talk to statisticians, they will explain. there are all sorts of double standards that are provable in the national football league that are holding candidates of color back. so the facts underlying the suit have been around for a long time. it's the fact you dared to sue and protect his career is potentially -- that's the big, big development. >> it strikes me, professor, you have flores claiming he was only interviewed for the top coaching position to satisfy the so-called rooney rule, that requires teams to consider at least one minority candidate. you have goodell saying we'll view this as an opportunity to review our diversity policies. it's kind of proof that it's not about policies, it is about an actual culture shift and commitment to solving this problem. >> yes, it's about commitment. and i think the place where we've seen the failings of studying this over the course of the last decade or so is the
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failing with the respect to commitment is with some of the clubs. the league, i think, is committed. the league, i think, is committed to change but the clubs are 32 individual business operations, and they are not committing to change, then we're not going to see the change we need to see. >> billy, former nfl head coach hue jackson said he, too, was asked to tank games and the league dismissed his concerns. take a listen. >> we came up with a four-year plan. it was a four-year plan put in place to incentivize the opportunity to not have a team that would have a chance to win, which there was compensation for it. obviously, there was no i'm going to pay you $100,000 to lose. we're going to do that. there was none of that. but if you had seen the plan, and you understand just a little football, they didn't care about the fraud or the tanking or my complaints of racism, you know, so they really just said hey,
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look, we're going to let this go. you're not going to move on to arbitration. >> the cleveland browns denied these allegations. what could they mean for the nfl? >> in 2019 especially, the tank for tua movement was a real thing, the idea that teams would lose games in an effort to get a better draft pick, to recruit this -- i should say pick this superstar alabama quarterback, that was a real thing. and the fact those conversations may have drifted from fan murmurs into the front offices is not at all shocking. the real issue is whether or not there is evidence that incentives were oftened by steven ross, the owner of the dolphins, to flores to actually tank for tua. and it does provide some explanation as to why they ultimately parted ways and flores was terminated. because it was not the prevailing wisdom down here in miami that flores was the problem with the dolphins.
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and people were quite shocked and disappointed at his firing. >> i want to see how you see this all playing out. >> we're in court now and the toothpaste is out of the tube here. so we will see. there's always a possibility but this complaint was drafted to go a bit -- to go the distance. so i don't think settlement is necessarily going to come to the path any time soon. i think the thing to keep in mind is whether indeed this will remain a class -- brian flores brought a class action. you have to get class certification to move forward as a group, otherwise it will be an individual claim. in either case, flores will have to get past the motion to dismiss to get into discovery and get to the documents that could also help prove his case. if he can't get past the motion to dismiss, then this thing will be over before too long. >> billy corben, your final thoughts. >> this was a really brave and likely sacrificial act on the
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part of coach flores. i think what we all witnessed with colin kaepernick i think it's very unlikely and very unfortunate we will ever see coach flores coach in the nfl again. >> jeremy, billy, thank you so much for your time. facing personal tragedy, a new film on how represent raskin dealt with life and the acts of january 6th. e acts of e acts of january 6th. break from all your worries ♪ ♪sure would help a lot ♪ ♪wouldn't you like to get away? ♪ ♪ ♪ sometimes you want to go ♪ ♪where everybody knows your name ♪ ♪ ♪and they're always glad you came ♪
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just over a year ago maryland congressman jamie raskin faced more than most could fathom, the loss of a child to witnessing the attack on american democracy. a new msnbc documentary takes us inside washington through his eyes as the former constitutional law professor served as lead impeachment manager during trump's second impeachment trial. right in the middle of all of the political mad necessary, coping with the loss of his 25-year-old son to suicide. >> anybody who can make you believe absurdity can make you commit awe trosties. >> democracy is fragile. at this hour, my friend, democracy has prevailed. >> connor was a person who loved the world and he loved democracy. i feel like i honor him to do the work he'd be proud of.
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why is america such an extraordinary country? we are not unified by virtue of game one ethnicity. we're one ideology or one religion. we're unified by one constitution and one rule of law. and those values endure our constitution. it is an aspiration, it's a challenge to us. the constitution shouldn't be some kind of fetish document.
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it should be the living commitment that we all have to make a democracy work in the service of the common good. >> representative jamie raskin there in msnbc's new film "love ns the constitution," which say shows an inside look working on capitol hill during the trump presidency, while coping with the acapitol attack just days after losing his son tommy. with someone who knows jamie raskin better than most of his chief of staff, julie tagen. julie, thank you so much for being with us. we spoke with the director of this documentary. she talked us through how the idea evolved over time. tell us what it was like to be there as it was all unfolding. >> well, it was just really fascinating to be a part of it. you know, the filmmaker madelyne followed us around for about three years. and she -- you know, she just
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was a fly on the wall the entire time. she really got to see what -- she got to see all about jamie and what he's about and how he interacts with people. so it was a really fascinating process to be a part of. >> three years is a very long time, long enough to see a number of events that no one could have anticipated. the documentary, one of the things i was struck by having seen through an early rendering of it is just how intimate it really is. it's not always the congressman in his office. there's a lot of down time with the congressman. you know him, you work with him up close and personal. what is he like when he's not the jamie raskin we see on television? >> i got to be honest, he is a lot like the jamie raskin that you see on television. he's an incredibly optimistic person. and he has a lot of energy and
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enthusiasm for whatever he does. and that energy and enthusiasm is really contagious. and it goes down to his staff, to anyone who interacts with him. they really get to know him and see him for his intelligence, his love of the country and his love of the constitution. >> julie, january 6th was obviously an incredibly scary day for everyone who was inside the capitol. what was your experience on that day? >> well, i was in the capitol. i was in a room off of the house floor, about 30 feet from the floor. i was with jamie's daughter tabitha and her son -- his son-in-law hank. and it was terrifying. i think all three of us -- i know myself, i thought i was going to die that day, and we barricaded ourselves in and
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waited for the rioters to break down our door. i stood before the the door with a weapon that i found in the room, and thought i would use that to protect us when they go through. it was probably the most terrifying experience of my life. something that i will never forget. and especially the sounds that came from the rioters and the pounding and the banging and the screaming for trump and to hang mike pence. it's just something i'll carry with me the rest of my life. >> i can't imagine hearing the rnc describing that as political discourse. he says she threw him a life line. what was it like watching him prepare for that role, that moment in history, given everything that was happening
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with him personally? >> well, i do think, as he has said, that he really felt like tommy was with him, so he -- he worked with it like tommy was with him. he was very, very generous with the other impeachment managers and very thoughtful. he really analyzed what they all did and what they're best at and he gave them roles so that they could be the best that they could be. and i think he put together a really fantastic team for the impeachment. he also really was very, very focused on, you know, carrying out that duty. and i think it helped him emotionally to think like in some ways i'm doing this for tommy. >> you know, julie, one of the things that stays with me from the congressman's floor speech
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is what he said about his daughter tabitha, that she said dad, i don't know that i ever want to come back to the capitol and i think there were a lot of people in the building that day who had that feeling of i want to put as much distance from myself and what i have just endured as possible, for you as a public servant, as someone who went back to the work, who chose to go back to the work, how did that change your commitment to the work itself? >> well, i'm more committed than ever because i want to make sure that people never forget that day and everything about it. i mean, i went back to the room that i had barricaded myself in that night and stayed until the end, until 3:00 in the morning when it was over and i think that there are a lot of staff and capitol police who are there every day still there to help make things better and to make
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sure that something like this could never happen again. >> julie tagen, thank you so much for your time tonight, you can watch "love & the constitution" this sunday. missing the target, what all these republican book bans really tell us about the party's priorities. but first, a preview of what is ahead tonight on ayman. >> hey there, i'm ayman mohyeldin, tonight, bill taylor, the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine joins us to discuss the ongoing crisis with russia. join us right here tonight at 8:00 eastern on msnbc. on msnbc. for small prices, you can build big dreams.
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as one writer puts it, we're seeing a nationwide tsunami of stupidity and shortsightedness. the author is one of many whose book books are being banned in schools across the country. lowry calling the right wing outrage over books more than a trend. we seem to be, quote, heading down that treacherous patch again. i don't know how we stop it, except in the voting booth. this week alone, in polk county, florida, county officials removed 16 titles from its schools books that address rac -- by parents, by adults, not by students. in fact, it's really thanks to a
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group called county citizens defending freedom, an outside group that went to florida, went to polk county and successfully pressured officials to remove the books. claiming the titles violate florida law. a spokesman for the county school says the books aren't banned, they're just unavailable, while they're being reviewed. books, available for years, taken off shelves. now unavailable to students. but it's not a ban. also this week, state legislators barrelled through dissent by democrats to advance the bill to ramp up scrutiny the way public school library books and instructional materials are chosen, giving parents a say and a search engine to see what's lurking on the bookshelves of their kids' campuses. florida democrats calling this a, quote, slippery slope of censorship. republicans in florida and across the country say they're doing this because they care about the safety and the innocence of our children. kind of hard to believe when they refuse to take action on real issues that children do
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face in schools every day across this country. issues like guns. data compiled by "the washington post" finds kids with guns fueled a record number of school shootings in 2021. some 42 acts of violence committed on k through 12 campuses during regular hours in 2021, the most since 1999. it's a threat, especially facing students in florida, which as you will remember, is home to the worst school shooting in american history. parkland, florida, marjory stoneman douglas high school, the year was 2018, one of the students who survived, david hog tweeting a reality check that we're going to leave with you tonight. we know how many kids and staff books killed at my high school? zero. you know how many kids and staff a former student killed with an ar-15? 17. guess which one the florida regtture is work to ban. that's all the time i have for today. i'll see you back here tomorrow for more. and now over to ayman mohyeldin.
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>> what a powerful way to frame the way around the conversation, reminding us books are not killing the people, the things that are actually killing people, you could still walk into a school and carry unfortunately. >> focus on solving real problems. >> absolutely. thank you, as always, my friend, good to see you, enjoy the rest of your evening off and good evening to you at home. welcome tonight. former president mike pence publicly called out his former boss to pressure him to overturn the 2020 election results. let's not forget all the times pence stuck with trump. congresswoman sheila jackson-lee is here to discuss that and more. biden is sending 3,000 u.s. troops to eastern europe as tensions build between russia and ukraine. why is the u.s. getting solved in this crisis? and what should the u.s. do about it? former u.s. ambassador to ukraine bill taylor is here to explain that and more. debunking conservative claims about the reason behind a recent spike in violent crimes. facts matter. we'r


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