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off that wall, and we ended with floyd abrams, the supreme court and first amendment litigator and my former boss. if you want to find that, go to youtube now and always go and see our other discussions on twitter or social media. we do these series and i post the full interviews online so you can find them. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. hi, joy. >> how are you doing? when you said you have to talk about humpty, i thought you meant the humpty hump. >> also relevant. >> also relevant. thank you very much. have a great evening. all right, cheers. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight with breaking news. and it is bad news for president trump and his adult children. that is because they have been ordered to give depositions under oath in the civil investigation into their family's business dealings lead by new york attorney general
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leticia james. her office has been conducting a three-year investigation into the trump organization's finances, and whether trump art fishlly inflated and deflated the value of its asseted for loan and tax purposes. last month, she tweeted her office uncovered significant evidence the trumps did just that. in the ruling, the judge sated in the final analysis, a state attorney general commences investigating a business entity, uncovers coious evidence of fraud and wants to question under oath several of the principals, she has the clear right to do so. the investigation started after trump's former fixer, michael cohen, testified to congress in 2019 that trump and his employees have manipulated his net worth to suit his financial interest. >> did the president ever provide inflated assets to an insurance company? >> yes. >> and where would the committee
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find more information on this? do you think we need to review his financial statements and his tax returns to compare them? >> yes, and you would find it at the trump organization. >> to your knowledge, was the president interested in reducing his local real estate bills, tax bills? >> yes. >> and how did he do that? >> what you do is you deflate the value of the asset, and then you put in a request to the tax department for a deduction. >> attorney general james responded to the decision writing in part -- >> the trumps now have 21 days to show up and answer questions under oath. the lawyer for don, jr. and ivanka released a statement indicating it's likely they will appeal. it should be no surprise that donald, sr. will do the same. joining me now, my two guests.
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thank you both for being here. i want to play very quickly, because leticia james also responded to donald trump's assertion that this investigation is simply reverse racism, right? because she is black, the current top prosecutor in the state is also black or she and the d.a. are black, sorry. and there is also a black attorney general investigating him out of georgia. here is what she had to say to that charge. >> no one is above the law. i pursue cases based on evidence, based on facts, and based on analysis of the law. the politics stop at my door. he will not evade us. he will not stop us from investigating and to ensuring that individuals, no matter what title they hold, are following the law. and i'm confident that we will win. >> you know, and the other thing that he should be confident about, tristan snell, is leticia
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james is not going to be scared away by threats or by whatever it is he wants to say about her. and she also has a pretty good darn track record when it comes to shutting down his charities that he was operating that weren't charities and trump university. your thoughts? >> the office is one of the only entities that is managed to hold donald trump accountable. the new york attorney general's office. and i'm proud to have been a member of that office and worked on the trump university case. i'm still going to say "we," we held the man accountable, and few people have. they are not afraid to go after him. they have gone toe to toe with him and his lawyers a bunch of times. they're not going to stand down on this. they're going to keep fighting. >> and the thing is, who does not have a really good track record is donald trump. i mean, you have deposed him, and this is from that deposition.
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this is in 2007. this was the lawsuit about his net worth. and it was -- he was asked -- >> this does not sound like a strong defense, tim. >> his defense is, i make it up. that's sort of the distillation of what he said there. another part in the same deposition, joy, we were asking how he calculated profits and losses at his golf courses. and he said, well, i don't keep any paper records of those things. our lawyers said, how do you know? he said i use mental projection. i always thought that term could define so many things in donald trump's life, including when he
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mentally projects racism onto a judge, even though i don't think any politician in the modern era has weaponized racism in our culture on a political stage to the extent that donald trump himself has. and i think that he's -- i think right now he's very cornered, that got all over social media about, you know, displaying the kind of personal animus he has towards tish james and the attorney's office. obviously, he can't handle criticism at all in small doses. but this is really a measure of how cornered he feels by these lawsuits. he is going to have to testify under oath at some point, even if he continues to try to avoid doing so. when that occurs, these prosecutors are going to put paper across the table, and hold him to account. it's a very new scenario for him
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in that regard. >> and he can't lie, right? if he goes and he lies in those depositions, that's a crime, right? so he's sort of cornered. they either have to tell the truth and damn themselves, because your own lawyer admitted under oath to congress and do this, so you lie and go down for purgery, or tell the truth and that in theory can be used against him in a successive case. >> so the kicker is that in a civil case, you know, those statements can be used against him, including any attempt to plead the fifth. so he pleads the fifth in this matter, which is a civil prosecution effectively, it's a civil investigation. it can be used against him. they can take those point where is they pled the fifth and draw their own assumptions as to
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whether or not that was trying to hide legal liability. >> and then to go back to you, tim. what significance then is it -- it seems to be pretty significant that the company that his accountant said they washed their hands of and said they cannot rely on any of this. they have dumped him and can't vouch for his financial statements, what is the significance of that for this particular case? >> well, first off, for any business that loses, it can be a mortal blow. it's hard for banks to do business with you, it's hard for business partners to do business with you. so that's just a red flag in the business life. in terms of the case, i think the significance of this isn't simply that they said we're washing our hands of you. they had that delicious little term in their letter that tish james released, in which they referred to, we have an unwavable conflict. and i read that to read they're cooperating.
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and they're cooperating with prosecutors. which, you know, in trump's world, his in-house accountant has been indicted. his external accountant appears to be cooperating with prosecutors. so everyone that knows the money trail and where it leads is on the opposite side of the table from him now. again, this is a fresh situation for him. people talk about donald trump having nine lives, i think he's on his 8 1/2, he has not been able to navigate a scenario where he's got a well resourced prosecutors breathing down his neck like this. >> he has not been able to beat these things in new york. when leticia james says no one is above the law, well, in new york, it seems interesting that this is where he is going to be held account. as you said, you were part of the team that did it. so it is only, to my knowledge, been done in new york. this is the judge refuting this
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argument that the -- that they have washed their hands of trump. and they said this -- >> they couldn't have been more clear. what do you think that sort of -- what does that mean in your view for his appeal? because it doesn't sound like they'll appeal, the trump kid also appeal. it doesn't feel like that's
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going to go anywhere. >> so look, the real kicker here is that the trump defense in this matter regarding the testimony and the documents, and don't sleep on the documents. the documents that they're being forced to hand over here are also extremely important here. so the kicker is that the trump defense really boils down to, well, tish james, when she was running for a.g., she said not nice things about how she was going to prosecute me. there by she has animus towards me, so the investigation is tainted or biased in some way. the problem with that is, the court, and this is part of why the judge was making such strong remarks here regarding everything, is that they've already looked at a lot of the documents, the evidence, not the arguments, the evidence in this case has already been looked at by the judge encamera, it's
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basically the court takes it and it's not on the public record. all of this stuff is under seal. this judge has already seen this. they're going to be able to look at the documents, too. so any judge that looks at the documents that the a.g.'s office has pulled together will realize it's not animus, it's not racism. it's receipts. they've got the evidence. and now they have to get the testimony. that's the way this works. so i don't see where they do have a defense. >> drip, drip, drip. you just never know. and you can't run from it by moving to florida. thank you, tim and tristan. up next on "the reidout," the u.s. again accuses russia for looking for a false pretext to invade ukraine. something america knows something about. plus, the shocking police response to a new jersey mall fight with police treating one kid very gently. while immediately jumping on the black teenager and putting him in cuffs. that young man and his father join me tonight.
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that includes the shelling of a kindergarten in eastern ukraine, which kyiv called a big provocation. given those developments, joe biden delivered a sobering assessment of the situation this morning. >> they have not moved any of their troops out. they have moved more troops in, number one. number two, we have reason to believe that they are engaged in a false flag operation to have an excuse to go in. every indication we have is that they're prepared to go in and attack ukraine. yes. my sense is it will happen in the next several days. >> separately, secretary of state antony blinken took a last-minute detour to give an unannounced address to the united nations security council. blinken detailed the false flag operation that russia might try to stage to justify an invasion, which the u.s. has been warning of for two weeks.
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>> russia plans to manufacture a pretext for its attack. this could be a violent event that russia will bring on ukraine or an outrageous accusation that russia will level against the ukrainian government. russian media has already begun to spread some of these false alarms and claims to maximize public outrage, to lay the ground work for an invented justification for war. >> like clock work, russia is manufacturing something that could be used as that pretext for war. they are fabricating claims that russian speaking citizens of eastern ukraine are the victims of genocide. today, they brought those bogus claims to the u.n. if my of that sounds familiar, that is because even in our own country, when a president is determined to go to war, this is what the buildup looks like. those who remember the history of vietnam with the gulf of tonken incident or the run-up to
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iraq know the justification for war can be disingenuous at best. the late general colin powell made a regrettable speech to the u.n., laying out the bush/cheney administration's so-called evidence of iraq's weapons of mass destruction. of course, those claims proved to be false. and secretary blinken alluded to that in his address today, making clear that this is different. >> now, i'm mindful that some have called into question our information, recalling previous instances where intelligence ultimately did not bear out. but let me be clear -- i am here today not to start a war, but to prevent one. >> joining me now from moscow is nbc news reporter matthew bodner and richard haass. thank you for being here. matt, i want to start with you.
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this is the official russian response to the u.s. proposal to avert a war. it is this -- >> which grammatically is odd. but what do you make of the ground sort of feel that you get there in moscow versus what they are officially saying that they do not have plans to invade ukraine? >> reporter: thank you, joy. it's an interesting situation here in moscow. so let's just start, if you go and ask an ordinary russian on the street, they will tell you, without any doubt, that war is impossible, and now you're also going to hear a lot of accusations that all of this fear of war that is being felt in ukraine, that's being felt in the west, is somehow, some kind
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of information war waged by the united states against russia, to try to justify all kinds of nefarious acts, be that more sanctions, kind of in the best case scenario. or encouraging ukraine to go and attack those rebel regions in eastern ukraine, they would say attack russian speakers in the very worst case scenario. that's on the one hand there. we're also not hearing a lot about the military maneuvers here on the russian side, from the russian government. it's one of the more interesting things about this entire situation, is we can see -- you don't have to take u.s. government officials at their word for it. you can see commercial satellite photos on social media that russia has amassed an incredible amount of troops on ukraine's border in belarus and crimea. but they're not getting any sense of that on the ground. so when you hear these things on the official level, i think russians mostly get the sense that their government is playing
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a game. there's this kind of disconnect between what we feel to be kind of the real stakes here, a massive war in europe. and what the russian people feel. they're kind of brushing it off as a game and they don't believe the hype and we see it being actively used, you know, spun domestically to underline what little credibility might have had with your on the street russian. you mentioned that britain response today. this is a very serious step, i think, for moscow. we have been in this situation for more than a month now. perhaps even six weeks since russia first started demanding written responses to those demands. the u.s. delivered that three weeks ago. they have been kind of teasing their response. there's been this shuttle diplomacy, leaders coming back and forth, phone calls, kind of building up this hope that maybe russia was, in fact, is, in fact, interested in talk. but today, when they finally
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delivered their response to the u.s. written response, it came with, as you mentioned, a notification that the deputy ambassador was being expelled, and it was what we have been hearing at the core, that russia is interested in diplomacy, so long that diplomacy gets them what they want. >> exactly. richard haass, the thing about this, it did remind me, you sort of look at the saying that there are atrocities that you don't have evidence of, sort of building it up making it sound that you would only be going in not because you want to invade a country, but because you have to in order for some humanitarian reason you have to be there. a lot of this did sound like the runup to the iraq war. the difference here, there is no coalition of the willing, right? this would be all of europe amassed against russia. russia would pay a tremendous price for it. and the only thing that would be similar about it in iraq is it would be a quagmire.
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there was a piece today -- >> it sounds like this would be iraq on steroids. why would he do it any way? >> joy, let me say a couple of things. i take offense at the comparison to the runup to the iraq war. the iraq war had intelligence that we thought was accurate. turns out it was not. colin powell did not lie. russian officials are coming up with lies to create a pretext to go in. so a completely different situation i would argue. where there are parallels, it's always easier to go in at the
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conventional phase of the battle the russians would prevail, but occupation could prove to be difficult, made more difficult in part by the cohesion that the russians produced with the ukrainian people. but the russians are creating a pretext, with the same pretext they used in 2014. they went into crimea and eastern ukraine to protect their russian citizens. that's what i think will happen. mr. putin always tries to present himself as the imhave, his hand is forced. he thinks this is the best argument that he can use back home. if he goes in, there is going to be the economic cost, the sanctions, and body bags coming back home with russian soldiers and he has to be mindful given afghanistan, that the last time russia did that on a significant scale, it brought about regime
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change inside then the soviet union. >> well, i think the comparison is more apt for that. you had an administration in the u.s. that decided they wanted to invade iraq, and the intelligence sort of backed up what they wanted to do, because they wanted it to, right? in this case -- >> no, no -- >> -- whatever reason putin wants to have a conflict, all they have done is not want to be part of his sort of sphere of influence. they want to be part of europe's sphere of influence. but he seems to want a conflict that the other side hasn't started, and has nothing to do with. >> look, mr. putin clearly wants to get ukraine within the russian sphere of influence. he does not want ukraine to affiliate with the european union or nato. he doesn't want ukraine to be a thriving democracy. that would set an example that some people in russia might notice and say, why there, not here? but, again, the parallel to iraq
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to me is offensive. it's incorrect. yes, there were people that wanted to go to war, but the reason most of the people in the bush administration wanted to go to war because they did believe iraq had weapons of mass destruction. and they did believe after 9/11 that was a risk we couldn't take. i was in the administration, i disagreed with the decision to go to war. but, again, i think it's unfair to say that people misrepresented the intelligence. people went with what they fought the intelligence was, only in retrospect did it become clear that the interpretation was wrong. >> we can have a whole show on the iraq war. we don't have time to do it now, but we appreciate you being here. thank you both very much. still ahead on "the reidout," a disturbing incident at a new jersey mall is another display of racial inequity. we'll be right back. inequity
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over the weekend, a very disturbing video went viral. in a moment, i'm going to show it to you. but while you watch it, i want you to ask yourself, if you believe that we in america truly have equal justice under the law. now for some context. you're going to see two teenagers at a mall in bridgewater, new jersey, who get into a fight. something that, from time to time, teenagers do. but i want you to pay close attention to what happens when the police arrive. >> oh, [ bleep ]! >> oh, no, no. [ bleep ]! >> chill, chill. >> brian, get up. leave, leave.
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>> [ bleep ]! [ bleep ]! >> oh, no! >> oh, no. your eyes are not deceiving you. you just witnessed two uniformed police officers breaking up the fight by pulling the kid who was on top up, gently seating up, and then tackling and pinning the black teenager. face on the ground, and handcuffing him. the other kid, the one who was not black, was brushed aside and basically free to go about his business. that teen told a reporter that he did not understand why he had not been cuffed, and said that he even offered to allow them to cuff him, too. the bridgewater township police department is under fire for that incident, which went viral. they said --
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>> you think? the governor of new jersey said he was deeply disturbed by the video. joining me now is the young man who was tackled by the police, and his father, jihad hussein, and their lawyer, ben trump. i'm pronouncing your name correctly, zakai? >> yes. >> how did the incident between you and the other boy start? >> so my friend was arguing with the high schooler, and i said something about it, because he was bullying him because he was smaller. he's bigger than him. he's smaller, younger. so i don't like that. so i said something to him about it, then he started doing the same thing to me. so he puts his hands in my face, i slapped it away, after asking
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him to get his hands out of my face. he pushes me, we ended up on the ground. and then the officer put a knee in my back. then the other officer came to help him. >> were you detained, were you arrested? >> yeah. >> how long were you detained? >> for like 20, 30 minutes. >> for 20, 30 minutes. to your knowledge, i know you were focused on what was happening to you, do you know if the other boy was detained? >> he wasn't. >> he was not, okay. i want to know ask your dad a question. were you -- did the police allow your son to call you to tell you what was going on? >> well, they allowed him to call my wife and explained a portion of the story and had her come down to the mall so that he could be picked up, so we were aware.
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>> were you aware that the other teenager was not detained? >> no, it wasn't until after he was picked up that we were able to find out through video and conversation that the other child was not detained. >> and how old are you? >> 14. >> you're 14. and do you know how old the other teenager is? >> 16. >> so he's older than you, he was on top of you, okay, so he's older than you. he was picking on another kid. you confronted him. and then you get into the altercation. he's on top of you. the police pulled him off of you, and you were detained for 30 minutes. is that accurate? >> yes. >> ben, you know, i think everybody black knows that this is unfortunately the way that we are policed in general, unfortunately. the way that we have come to
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presume we are going to be policed. but this sounds so blatantly discriminatory. i cannot understand how possibly this police department can try to explain it. can you think of any reason why the older teen was not detained? >> joy, i cannot. the reason why the video i believe has went viral, people are outraged, especially parents of children of color, because they understand there's things like this, this profiling and stereotyping of our children that leads to a trayvon martin, it leads to ahmaud arbery. you scratch your head and said why was it that the black kid was presumed guilty and the white kid was presumed innocent? the black kid was put face down with a knee in his back, while the white kid was coddled and allowed to sit on the chair and watch them humiliate the black
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kid, and the black kid, why was he put in handcuffs, and detained unreasonably for almost 30 minutes, and the white kid, joy, he would put his hands up to be handcuffed and the whis policewoman palted him on the shoulder and said you're free to go. >> when the police had you detained, what did they ask you or tell you? did they tell you why you were being detained? >> they said it was basically protocol. >> did they explain to you why the other kid was not? >> no. >> and what did they -- did they interrogate you? did you feel that they were accusing you of a crime? >> kind of, yes. >> and i guess the other question i have to ask you, and this is harder to ask because you are a child younger than my children. when you were on the floor and
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the police were on top of you, at any time did you fear for your safety at the hands of those officers? >> yes. i was like, scared. i didn't know what would happen next, if they were going to take it any further. >> and is that because of other incidents that you've seen happen to other young black men? >> yes. >> how do you feel about police in general? how did you feel about them before this happened? >> i don't really know. i didn't have an opinion about them. i know not all of them are like that. i haven't seen anything in real life to have an opinion about them. but then now i feel like they treat certain people differently. some might treat certain people differently. >> and you went home to talk to your parents about it, what did they tell you, what did your dad they will you?
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>> he told me -- he told me that -- it wasn't really much of a conversation. he had a conversation with me that i might get treated differently because of my skin color and stuff. >> and dad, let me ask you a question, what do you want to see happen here? >> i want justice. i feel like this is ridiculous that my son was treated in this manner, and the other child involved had no penalty. i think it's very unjust. and, you know, i'm a veteran. i served in the military, and i've experienced training, and i know what training is. and if this is what they consider to be a trained officer, i want to see justice and either retraining or for them to lose their badge. >> ben, what happens next?
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is this family planning to sue this police department? >> i think we have to hold them accountable, joy, because if we don't, what happens next? can you imagine if they knew there were children in the mall videotaping, and they still racially discriminated against zakai. what happened if they were on a dark street? that's why we have to hold them accountable, joy. we're asking for an internal investigation. but we also want the state to investigate and if not, we're prepared to do what we have to do to make sure there's accountability. >> yeah, indeed. i'm sorry that this happened to you, zakai. it's not something that a 14-year-old should have to experience or anyone should have to experience in their own country. i'm sorry that this happened to you, young man. thank you for coming on. thank you, jihad hussein. i appreciate you allowing us to talk to you son.
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and my friend, ben crump. always appreciate you. thank you very much. >> thank you. stick around. thank you guys, very much. stick around, because tonight's absolute worst, are happily sipping on a fine wine distilled from racial anger and hysteria. we'll be right back. l anger anda l anger anda we'll be right back. it's non habit forming and powered by the makers of nyquil. new zzzquil ultra. when you really really need to sleep.
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>>s black mystery month 2022 has been filled with special treats from this ai era of permanent trumpism. book bans targeting works by black authors like tony morrison, as well as the 1619 project and any history that doesn't present white americans or europeans as perennially noble which might make the parents of white children feel uncomfortable. proposed laws in florida encouraging surveillance of teachers to make sure they stick to the state-run script. racism attacks on black women
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athletes, including these lacrosse players from howard university. schools like this one in indiana making black history month optional for parents who think knowing historical black figures would break their children. we are now facing the most direct concentrated attack on the right to vote since the 1960s. along with, yes, bomb threats. lots of bomb threats against historically black colleges and universities. this map alone ask appalling. 30 hbcus where young people congregate and learn have been the target of these bomb threats, mostly during black history month, which is no coincidence. including three just yesterday in the carolinas, targeting fayetteville state university, and winston salem state university in north carolina and a university in south carolina. i guess when one political party decides to weaponize anti-blackness and social change discomfort among their voters by
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whipping white parents into a frenzy over learning history or people that are different from you, or about wearing masks to prevent a virus from spreading and killing people, i guess there are consequences. while not all violence can be connected to a country's politics, we are in a dangerous atmosphere in america right now. particularly for conservatives, politics is everything from a tribal identity to a religious movement. one might even call it a cult. and it's not like we haven't been here before. the old democrats did it. and the republicans who morphed from that are doing it now. and today's republican party, who, let's be clear, are now the party of trump, not lincoln, have decided to use the worst tendencies of the disgraced former president to still them down into a fine wine of anger and hysteria, for the purpose of gaining power. they and their media friends aren't stopping.
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they're stepping on the gas. hbcu presidents, mean while, are calling on the justice department to step up their investigation of these bomb threats. the fbi has identified six juveniles as persons of interest. >> we hear from a student in howard university, one of the country's largest hbcus, and what's key things but these bomb threats are really about. key things but thes key things but thes bomb we're carefully designing our bottles to be 100% recyclable, including the caps. they're collected and separated from other plastics, so they can be turned back into material that we use to make new bottles.
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fields are back in class, there are a lot of questions. >> we haven't received any word whether the two have been connected or or, where the threat has come from.
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it's not the ideal environment for students to try and learn. >> at least 30 historically black colleges and universities have been the targets of bomb threats in the recent days and weeks. among those targeted is howard university which has faced at least four separate bomb threats in the past two months. including on february 1st, the first day of black history month. joining me now is jordan allen, a junior at howard university where she's also chairwoman of the howard university student association senate. jordan, thank you so much for being here. i can't imagine what it is like to be at college, just try to focus on class and being around your friends than not having to worry about bomb threats. unfortunately, this is what, historically, black stints have had to deal with with just living in this country and going to church, historically. we have a picture here from 1963. there was a time when black folks had to worry about going to church and getting bond. tell me about how you're doing, how your friends are doing, and dealing with this?
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>> first off, thank you for having me, to talk about something so important. and for me and my friends, there's a lot of confusion and fear. but really, at the end of the day, for students at howard university specifically, it feels like a personal attack to the excellence and brilliance that hbcus are known to produce. >> including the vice president of the united states, which is a howard alumni. we're in this moment where we have a black woman vice president, the first hbcu graduate to be in either of those positions, president or vice president. so you have this moment, and you have these attacks on history that are taking place. these attacks on supposed critical race theory, these attacks on the 16 19 project. as you think through, do you feel like those atmospherics are contributing to the violence and the threats that you are seeing? >> absolutely. i grew up in predominantly white institutions, elementary,
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middle school, and high school. so coming to an hbcu is a different experience. but really, my hbcu experience has shown me that there was history that wasn't necessarily taught when i was in high school or other schools that i attended. so with this woman has really shown is really in these other institutions, they can control different policies, particularly in florida, what's discussed in the classroom. but because they cannot control what is taught in the curriculum in hbcus, we are now also attacking the establishment of hbcus as a whole. >> are you originally from florida? >> i am. >> so what do you make of the governor of florida right now, he's on the attack against what he calls the stop woke act. against teaching any kind of history that doesn't affirm or uplift why people and makes them feel uncomfortable. there are attempts to even passed legislation to video surveil teachers. and all of that at a time when
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hbcus are facing these kinds of pressures and attacks, and threats, what do you make of it? >> you know, misread, i think that it's really sad. but i think that it's something that african americans have seen throughout history, and we consistently overcome. so when we talk about segregation. it was never so surface level whether blacks and whites could operate within the same spaces. it was about denying knowledge and education to african americans. so wet i see is, we see our black organizations, are black -- organizations like jack and jill of america incorporated who have stepped up in the past to ensure that history is not a race. so wet i think we will see organizations continuing to step up to ensure that our history is not erased. >> it is ironic, isn't it, that it used to be that the attacks on threats, the spitting on, the attacks were about black students trying to get into schools that were predominantly
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-- all white schools at that time. ruby bridges, desegregating colleges. and now they are flipping at the other way and saying, you know wet, those schools you are attending that are predominantly black, we are just gonna throw threaten to blow those up. your thoughts? >> it's crazy, because in my house, you have that exact picture of ruby bridges. i would walk, i'll go to school knowing that it was an honor to even be able to walk into these places. so for, me it's really sad. but it's really shown time after time again that although history is not repeating itself, we have to be very conscious that the way that it does rhyme and the way they are creating new tactics to hold african americans back. >> why would you say that you would like to see the fbi do? do you feel like enough is being done to get to the bottom of these cases? and what would you like to see done? >> i think what i would like to see done is more awareness, specifically from the media. it seems as though this happened -- a lot more coverage.
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so i would like for stories to be told more and on a larger scale. from the fbi, it's a touchy subject, right? you were talking earlier about how the police are treating african americans opposed to whites. it's a touchy subject when we bring in police officers to protect our spaces during times like these, because we don't necessarily feel comfortable. so it's all part of a conversation of how we can improve. >> isn't that the irony? jordan, the future is in good hands with young folks like you out there. thank you so much for being here. i really appreciate you. this is tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes starts now. night's read out all in with chri>> tonight on a- >> plans to manufacture a pretext for its attack. we don't know exactly the formal. take >> a historic appeal from this familiar seat. >> i am here today, not to start a war, but to prevent one. >> tonight, can america's radical transparency keep russia from star


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