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tense standoff with russia along the ukrainian border. that is our broadcast for this thursday night, with our thanks for being with us. on behalf of all of my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, goodnight. >> tonight on all in -- >> plans to manufacture a pretext for its attack. we don't know exactly the formal. >> a historic appeal from this familiar seat. >> i am here today, not to start a war, but to prevent one. >> tonight, can america's radical transparency keep russia from starting a war? then -- >> taking the fifth, i think it's disgraceful. >> donald trump, ivanka trump, and donald trump jr. are ordered to testify. today's wild court hearing and why the ruling has a huge ramifications for the civil and criminal investigations. plus the sad collapse of a maga wannabe and what the trump endorsement actually means.
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new reporting on large clusters of miami voters mysteriously switching to republican without their knowledge. all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. tonight, at this, hour we are closely watching developments and ukraine and along its borders. as it appears, more and more likely that russia plans to invade that country. that imminent threat is the reason why the u.s. secretary of state, anthony blinken, appeared before the united nations to lay out in striking detail how that attack might unfold. >> first, russia plans to manufacture a pretext for its attack. this could be a violent event that russia will bring on ukraine or an outrageous accusation that russia will level against ukrainian government. second, in response to this manufactured provocation, the highest levels of the russian government may theatrically
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convene emergency meetings to address the so-called crisis. next, the attack is planned to begin. russian missiles and bombs will drop across ukraine. communications will be jammed. the cyberattacks will shut down key ukrainian institutions. after that, russian tanks and soldiers will advance on key targets that have already been identified and mapped out in detailed plans. we believe these targets include russia's -- ukraine's capital, kyiv, a city of 2. 8 million people. >> now, this rhetorical strategy from blinken, from the u.s. government, the biden administration, it's kind of remarkable. i have to say, it's not something that i have ever seen before, and we will get to a tenth and a second. but, a lot of four nations sitting there in this room watching it on tv are rightfully of -- skeptical of u.s. intelligence because of our history at the un and what happened to the lead up in the warrant iraq. and i was taken aback by the frankness with which blinken tried to address those concerns.
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>> here today, we are laying it out in great detail with the hope that, by sharing what we know with the world, we can influence russia to abandon the path of war and choose a different path while there is still time. now, i am mindful that some have called into question our information. recalling previous instances where intelligence ultimately did not bear out. but let me be clear, i am here today not to start a war, but to prevent one. >> that was an explicit reference, albeit euphemistic, to what happened 19 years ago this month one another u.s. secretary of state's sat in that same spot, in that same room, and you so-called intelligence to make the case for war in iraq. here's how nbc news covered it
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at the time. >> secretary of state colin powell has given a lot of important speeches in his lifetime, to a lot of large audiences. but no speech was more important than the one he gave today and no audience was more attentive. the setting was the un security council, but the audience was the world. as he spilled out with visual aids and prosecutors rhetoric the administration's case against saddam hussein. it was a masterful performance. >> it was a masterful performance, but we now know that it was all it was. a performance. the eyes of the world watching colin powell, the u.s. secretary of state, and internationally -- leveraged his personal credibility, that of the u.s. government, to sell the world on the iraq war. >> when i want to bring to your attention today is that potentially much more sinister nexus between iraq and the al-qaeda terrorist network. a nexus that combines classes terrorist organizations and modern methods of murder. the nexus of iraq and terror is
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old, the combination is lethal. with this track record, iraqi denials and supporting terrorists take their place alongside the other iraqi denials of weapons of mass destruction. it is all a web of lies. >> except the denials were true. and what colin powell said was untrue. there was no credible link between iraq and al-qaeda. erected not have weapons of mass destruction. but with that intelligence, but the argument presented in the un that day, the u.s. entered a catastrophic, catastrophic war under false pretenses. and that's the heavy credibility -- that blinken and other officials carry with them and that they will carry for a long time. it it's a self inflicted wound by the american government. when the u.s. went into the un back in 19 years ago, there were telling a story making an argument for why they were justifying in their invasion in a venue wreck.
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they were our country, massing an invasion of getting troops together and calling them up and sending them in another country. the story was not true. and made in bad faith. but there was still an attempt at a justification. because that's what states tend to do. no matter where they fall in the international order. it's really quite rare that estate comes simply -- simply comes out and says, we are invading this country because we want to. and so the u.s., this time around, has been working to counter russia's attempt, their chance to create that justification. we know more or less why putin really wants to invade if he does. he resents and fears nato encroachment, putin doesn't think ukraine should be independent anyway. probably never thought that. so once secretary blinken came out today, he was focused on transparently laying out exactly what he believed russia was going to do. being extremely explicit about what the government perceives
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russia's intent to, be including the pretext that putin would used to invade. and the idea is that it makes it that much harder for russia to come up with that legitimate excuse, for them to tell the story about why they have to send 100,000 troops into a neighboring country that they will overpower. does it say, nothing of the fact that, unlike, you, know what's trusting what colin powell said back then, with today's level of open source global surveillance, a gps satellites, it's pretty darn difficult to hide it when you are writing 100,000 troops for a ground invasion. basically, everyone can see that. there's no can dispute about those troops being there. in the, and it might not matter. russia may invade if it wants to. if putin makes the call, whether the u.s. calls him out or not. at this moment, it appears pretty likely, although who knows. but this was interesting to. kevin what lincoln said. given his talk about the pretext. given his story about why this war would have to be shaped as defensive in some way, or justify by russian authorities. russia disseminated of 45 document -- 45-page document at the un
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extort eight -- two of its own cities. possibly laying the groundwork for the exact kind of protect that secretary blinken warned about. i should note, the suspect document only recites russia's media sources and pretext for the russian government. also, today mark milley, the nation's highest ranking military officer spoke to the bolton stakes and eastern europe, brace for possible war in the region. despite all of the overwhelming evidence, it's not in dispute that russia has amassed an unprecedented amount of troops, material, and artillery, along the border. russia's pleading ignorance. the deputy is -- calling -- baseless. courtney kube it is here and joins me now. courtney, there has clearly very -- intelligence apparatus and the u.s. government, the biden administration takes [inaudible] state and pentagon to do this kind of, almost sort of in realtime calling of what they
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are seeing happening. i've never seen quite anything like it. and i would like you to talk about the thinking behind this approach and strategy. >> there's really two audiences for this, chris. >> there's really two audiences for this, chris. the first one is the world. the international community, the hope is that, if they expose these potential what they are calling false flag operations, that it will deter russia from actually carrying them out and having this pretext to invade. so, we've heard very specific things. there's no dispute, already that the shelling that we saw in donbass today, they had a kindergarten, that's believed to be one of these. officials are talking about the potential for protests, for riots. they're talking about the potential for assassinations. we've heard about potential
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strikes, or manufacturing strikes from drones, ukrainian drones. killing russian speaking citizens in ukraine. that's one audience, the international community. the other one is actually the russian domestic audience. the hope there is that, if the united states, and allies, expose this potential effort brian russia, that if russia then decides to go in and invade ukraine, perhaps the russian people will say, wait, this was all manufactured. there was no real reason to go into that country, to put russian troops at risk, and that perhaps, they won't support the military invasion. the reality, as you all know, the russian people, overwhelmingly, support vladimir putin, according to polls. it's not clear that that would. where the reality is, they're trying to get this message out to more than just the american people, to more than just the russian people, to the entire world. >> there is something clearly prophylactic about. it when you discuss was
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possibilities of provocations, it does feel like a hall of mirrors. in a u.s. domestic context, if you happen upon alex jones, calling an attack on sandy hook, a false, flag you tend to think, well, that person is not operating on a level -- and is out of their mind. there's also the possibility to the russian government would actually say something, would essentially try to do something to create cover for some sort of military escalation. it seems, to me, the important thing about all of this is that they can't hide that they put those troops, there? right everybody does know that, in the end. >> that's right. it's not just the troops, there is 150, 000, we've heard about 110 battalion tactical groups, that's not even what's so concerning to the officials. they're really worried about some of the capabilities that he's amassed there. one of the ones i hear a lot about our missiles. we've heard that he's brought
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in some additional naval power, those have land attack cruise missiles on them. the russian military has amassed a large number of missiles, that could, potentially, be fired into ukraine, and in literally a matter of less than an hour, they could take out major ukrainian military capabilities. some of them are concerned about targeting ammunition depots of the ukrainian military, their air forces, their airfields. the ability for the ukrainian military to defend itself. what russia has amassed around their, or plus what they have just outside of the immediate ukrainian border region, they have the ability to take out the ukrainian military much of it, in a very short succession. that's why there's so much concern here, chris. >> our corny q b, that was very helpful. thank you very much. david redneck, pulitzer prize-winning journalist who spent years reporting for moscow, as the soviet empire
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collapse, he joins me now. david, how effective do you think the strategy has been? it is clearly a strategy, as courtney said, to attempt to get out ahead of disinformation. i'm wondering if you think it's effective, or could be effective? >> i think it's effective where people are able to listen and see and hear, which, even as embattled as the president of united states is, that includes us, and much of the world. it's hard to describe this to you. remember what this was proceeded by. not only did russia seize crimea in 2014, it is secretly, it didn't covertly, was so called little green men. russia did not acknowledge that
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it was its own special forces, until it was mission accomplished. crime here has been occupied ever since, by russia. now, something else has happened since 2014. a creeping crackdown on dissent. the leading political opponent of vladimir putin's languish in and his prison cell. his sentence means -- may be expanded, talk about alexei navalny. he is exemplary of the crackdown throughout the country, and that will only get worse, by the way, if there is an invasion in ukraine. so, i think it's hard to describe what it's like, when you have state television, wall-to-wall, the information is controlled by the state, by vladimir putin's democracy. so, if there is a false flag operation, as described by blinken, at the un today,
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that's what you will see as news, as reality. we live in a democratic country, with a reasonably free press, and a huge proportion of our country believes nonsense from the former presidents and his lieutenants. that's an unreasonably free press. disinformation and misinformation is very effective, and blinken is trying to battle at the best you can. >> it's funny that you invoked crime area, i've been thinking a lot about that. i remember at the time, we covered it, there was something extremely creepy, gaslight-y, about the entire thing. at some level, we always knew it was happening, but there was never an admission of, it and you have the soldiers with no flag on the shoulder. then you've got this big, if i recall correctly, a big celebratory, new parliament that votes to -- obviously, the whole thing was orchestrated. but, there was something about the pretense of it that made me think that there's a concern here, about some kind of story. putin has to tell some kind
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story to the world about what he's doing, that can't just be we want crime here back -- and seems, like that's the story they're searching for here. the u.s. is trying to jam october in it. >> right. you know what we hear from the least here? citizens of ukraine. ukraine is a sovereign state and has been so since 1991, the collapse of the soviet union. it has been very complex. it's a very poor country. it is, i would say, is still riven with corruption. there's no question. this political division within it. nevertheless, it's a sovereign state, and it is infinitely more democratic than russia. this poses a threat to putin. people wonder what put his motivation is. preservation of his own power. putin fears, more than anything
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else, more than anything else, the kind of uprisings that he's seen around the world. whether it's the arab spring, various color revolutions on this periphery. he does not want to see that creep towards a red square. >> yes, color revolutions are an explicit, often stated obsession. he talks about them quite a bit, as something that he does not want to see. david remnick, that was illuminating. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> coming up, trump family must testify. a judge today ruling that former president trump, ivanka, don junior must sit for a deposition. the new orca tierney generals deposition within the next 21 days. -- why this ruling could be the biggest loss yet. we'll be right back. yet yet we'll be right
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civil investigation to prevent former president from being deposed. in the ensuing hearing was a nightmare for donald trump's children, don jr. and ivanka, who have also been subpoenaed to testify. the ex president has his new jersey-based lawyer, representing him in the civil case, alina habba. while repeatedly interrupting the judge, have a claimed that trump was a victim of viewpoint discrimination. she argued that he's being persecuted by the democratic attorney general, letitia james, because of his -- if he was not sitting as republican and not a former president, this would not be happening. by the way, republicans are not protected class. he is not suing for that. if he's not who he is, she would be doing this, your honor. she has such disdain for this man, for this president. now, habba, regularly appears on one of -- trying to shift attention to
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his former political opponents, 11 point she says, quote, the clintons we're getting money from russia. i didn't see the attorney general do anything. miss james, are you going to go after hillary clinton for what she's doing to my client that she spied at trump tower in your state? are you going to look into her business dealings? of course, there's no evidence that is true. the judge dismissed the remarks. also at the hearing was trump's lawyer in his criminal case. this is a guy named ron fischetti. he spent his time arguing that his class should get special treatment, could not be expected to complete the fifth in the deposition because, pleading the fifth in the civil case could taint a jury pool in any criminal case. quote, this is a unique case. this is a former president of the united states. it will be on every front page in the newspaper the world. how can i possibly pick a jury in that case? if you decide this subpoena cannot be cautious, please, i beg, you i implore you, give your decision but give us time to appeal. the judge did come to a speedy decision, releasing with his decision that donald trump,
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donald trump jr., about the, trump will have to testify in a civil case. and need to appear for deposition within 21 days. some former deputy assistant general, now the host of the podcast, he joins me now. harry, first of all, there were no cameras in the hearing. from what i can tell, it was of really not a hearing. a lot going on there. what was your impression of it? >> rough day for the trump's. yeah, it was not. especially when habba, who was more of it newsmax newscaster than a lawyer, which is pi pen with irrelevant stuff. she was continuously silent and by the judges clerk. it was a real new york affair with a lot of back and forth in that way. there were some, you know, arguments somewhere in there. she was very confusing. as you said, she tried to say that trump is like a protected class, not just, you know, former president and reviled figure. that was basically the
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protected class. she had to, withdraw from that the judge said... a. g. lawyer cited the great quote by robert morgan about roy cohen saying, just because you don't like a guy doesn't mean you can't prosecute him. the other argument was by fish eddie, it was a real argument. it has been totally defeated in the past. it was, hey, if you are trying to get criminal testimony from my guy, if he were being called in the criminal grand jury, he would get immunity under new york law. the judge said, yes, so wet. that happens all the time. as it does, if he doesn't want to compromise his fifth amendment rights, he can just take the fifth. the way eric trump did. and really set the scene. officially said, i'm going to advise him to take the fifth. it really was... they were beaten up badly and it set the
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scene for at a minimum, the promiscuous taking of the fifth by him and ivanka and donald trump junior. rough, rough day for the trump's. >> yeah. for shutting was trying to say, look, it's the jury pool, there's other sense to do with that. that wasn't taken by the judge. they are going to appeal this ruling, right? but, it doesn't seem like they're standing up on particularly strong ground. >> they. don't they don't have any new arguments to make in this protected class, which is really a throwaway. and this sort of stalking horse for the criminal case. that has been heard and rejected a lot. the judge had an eight-page scholarly ruling. he also gave some back of the head to trump saying, preposterous and really mocked certain things. so, we don't even know if the court of new york will enter estate. if they do, i bet that they will make quick work of it. i think the best-case scenario for the trumps is going a little more than 21 days. still, having to sit down and then, probably, invoked the fifth. one other point, they also have
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to produce documents, and within 14 days if it is not state. they don't have much of a argument there. you can't really invoke the fifth amendment very much to keep from actually producing documents. and this is specifically, by the way, chris, about the statements in the masters letter. she says, i want to ask who was responsible for these misstatements? it really goes to the heart of the big self inflicted wound that they got this week. it's really at the going right to his biggest liability here in the new york part of, you know, the country wide proceedings. >> yeah, don jr. and ivanka's lawyer saying that we advise >> yeah, don jr. and ivanka's lawyer saying that we advise the judge that there is a likelihood they will repeal. again, we don't think that there's novel arguments that might carry the day. this is from the judge's ruling, the idea that the counting firm announced that no one she
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relented acts with a financial statements that it issued based on numbers submitted by an energy somehow exonerates that entity and renders -- is reminiscent of louis carroll. when i use the word, humpty-dumpty said, it means when issues it. me george orwell, war is peace freedom is, slavery ignorance is strength. and then, saint justice prevailed -- in the pursuit of justice no matter how powerful they are. no one is above the law. the thing that is most striking is that we would fully anticipate all through these people just per mysteriously pleading the fifth. the documents, they can't block. >> they count black and pleading the fifth has real consequences for them. by the way, if they are deposed, it will be sealed unless and until she brings a fraud claim. there have been ways that things get out in these proceedings. even if they do give some testimony, we won't hear. it you're right. the documents really matter. by the way, this is the very
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thing that, you know, this is a self inflicted wound because trump characteristically trump, came out after the letter and says, oh, it is beautiful. it is perfect. the whole thing is moot now. the judge was, you know, cited those things. by the way, louis carroll... pretty tough. george orwell, pretty tough. he cites the alternative facts of kellyanne conway. that is really... this is the whole trump circus. i'm not having any of it. >> harry lippman. that was great. thank you very. much >> thanks very much, chris. with the rise and fall for rising -- we'll be right back.
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j.d. vance is the latest example of this trend. he's a republican, running for senator in ohio. just acting like $1 store jock. parroting donald trump's lies about massive voter fraud in the 2020 election, endorsing by marjorie taylor greene. although that strategy has worked over all of the country, it's not working for bands. a recent poll of ohio republicans has him sitting at five fifth place. a pollster from a pollster -- vance's big problem, according to this pollsters that he is not enough like trump. vance is seen a precipitous decline in gop primaries since and a line crew start backing arrival, began a tv blitz using vance attacking former president donald trump. no matter how much trump likes to be trump, their see-through 's act. these two republican primaries
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are going to be huge in determining the next generation of republican politics. it is definitely true... all the citizens are there for candidates to do what's vance has done, right? to embrace the trump cult. supporting the big lie of the election. to generally perform being the worst human beings they can be. remember, jaime vance's point behind candidates that have not sold their souls to trump. it is unclear that everything is so on clad, especially since the are parties leader is not doing anything to help. it might just turn out that no one can pull off the candidacy the way donald trump is able to. elaine --, founder of management at the brooklyn institution where he recently published a piece on the trump 's hold on the republican party is getting weaker. they both join me now. elaine, my general feeling about this is, if you stake me with money and asked me to make a bunch of beds across the republican primary field, i
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would probably just bet on the trump backed candidate in most cases, as a favorite. as a general operating principle... i don't think that's ironclad. i found your piece persuasive about the fact that there might be some evidence that it is not as iron grip as possible. what is your case for that? >> my case for that is if trump was really as strong as people think he is, he would have cleared the field in a lot of these races. he hasn't. in fact, we see a lot of governors races, a lot of senate races where the non trump endorsed candidate is staying in there and they are going to have a fight. so, he hasn't been able to clear the field. that alone says to me that he is not as strong as we think he is. secondly, you have to look at his history with endorsements. he his endorsement when wright is very high. he mostly endorsed incumbents.
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you have to go look at the challengers. there, his win right is much less strong. finally, trump has a problem picking when the political scientists call, quality candidates. in other words, a candidate who knows what they are doing and can run a race. j. d. vance made a real rookie mistake, which was thinking that somehow no one would discover that five years ago he fought donald trump was a jerk. that is really, sort of, a big mistake. both fans make and frankly, trump made it thinking. him of course they're going to go after vance for not being a trump supporter, as they should. anyone could've seen that. >> yeah. trump is not endorsing greene, he is trying to steal where he, you know, essentially, present self next to trump. i really do think that elaine's point about not clearing the field means that you're going
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to have these contested fights, which i think will be interesting, right? they will be tests of the power of this. we got this point today, again, one poll in one state, this is great assault. it shows brian kemp, right, is right against purdue. purdue is for donald trump -- he did not participate in a coup that was backed by troubles trump in 2020 to overturn the election. he has endorsed her on two grounds. it shows kemp up in points against purdue. it's a death blow for can't that donald trump is against him. >> yeah, chris. there is a couple things going. on the trump brand is still the strongest brand within the gop. until someone topples him, until someone proves otherwise. .. with these down ballot candidates, perdue, vance, i think what you're seeing is that voters are gonna sorting out the authentic versus the inauthentic. right? don't trump's authentic, contemptuous, jerk. that is not met his
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pejoratively as he sounds. he was a jerk and business. he is a jerk in tv. he's a jerk in politics. that is his brand. when you see someone trying to take on that contemptuous jerk brand that was very successful for donald trump, it is hard to sell if you're vance or perdue. the in authenticity is what's, ultimately, the ink around their neck. >> it ends up being a test, right? elaine, when you say haven't clear the field... i've always felt that there is a weird, sort of, interplay vis-à-vis the political strength of this particular individual. the perception helps, you know, be more powerful than maybe he would be if it was all tested. there are little be tests here. that is interesting to me. a bunch of candidates dropped. out there are going to be a bunch of these contested races where he's going to be tested, where you may see a bunch of them happened where it goes wrong way. i wonder what that does to the power. >> well, it is going to pop and take the air out of his balloon. let's face it.
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if donald trump candidates, particularly for the big races, the senate races that the governor's races, the marquee house races... if donald trump's candidates are not winning, then other republicans are going to look at him and say, well, he is a loser. that has implications for him for 2024. let's face, it right now the theory is that he has a lock on the republican nomination in 2024 because he has such a loyal base within the republican party. but if his candidate start losing, and then as you spoke at the beginning of the segment, you know, he has a ton of legal problems that shed some question about his, you know, ability as a businessman... he is going to be a very much weaker person than we think he is right now. >> quickly, david. do you think losses in primaries will damage him, politically, damages potency? >> it does. i also don't think his
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endorsements are going to happen in a vacuum. watch for the candidates that ron desantis them -- i think today, don trump and ron desantis on equal footing from. watch the desantis endorsements. those might be stronger than donald trump. >> thank you both. appreciate. i'm don't go anywhere. up next, i'm gonna show you the scene everyone should remember the next time you hear or publican slamming the white house over inflation. failing to do the absolute bare minimum, after this. minimum, after this.
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unemployment rate has dropped precipitously since the pandemic. wages rose 5.7% through january. one thing that is distinctly not good news, high inflation, which is making people pretty dissatisfied. it's also custom-made as an issue for republicans bang on about every chance to get. >> first of all, i am -- my republican colleagues have been on record well over a year warning about inflation risks, warning about the excessive spending. >> ten months into this inflation crisis, and with they're doing is putting forward gimmicks, not solutions. >> now with inflation off the charts joe biden just wants to keep spending.
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>> i gotta tell you, there's a whole lot of state for death won 50 owners in the great state of texas, and wouldn't there be a better way to help america's suffering to biden's inflation crisis -- would it be better to adopt appropriate monetary policies? >> i can't imagine a more pernicious tax than inflation. >> here's the thing. they say it. they don't really ever say would they want to do about it. the institution best equipped to deal with the inflation is the federal reserve. the fed, they control monetary policy. you would think the republicans on the senate banking committed committee would at the very least show up for a vote on the confirmation of five that nominees including the chair and vice chair, because again, they are so worried about inflation. but, you selection appears to not be something this republican party can do. so the committee met up earlier this week, not one republican showed up. not ranking member pat toomey, kennedy, tim scott, tom tillis. clearly it's better for the republicans politically to have this level of inflation than it would be to actually do anything to help americans dealing with that. democratic senator from montana was on the committee. not happy about the republican notion or. >> the constituents senate are here to vote. nobody is on the other side.
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i hear on the floor every day republicans get up and talk about inflation, and by the way, inflation is very important and we need to get our arms around it. the white group is out there to deal with the market forces any better than the fence? there is none. yet they don't show up to vote. i think we should have the vote today regardless, just to prove to the constituents that these folks, that they're not showing up. they're not showing up to do their constitutional duty that they were elected to do. and would have further rich in the situation is the number of nominees that came before us in the previous administration that were not qualified. but they showed up to vote for them. >> if republicans want to lower inflation the least they can do is show up to work and vote for
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the fed chairman who was originally put up there by donald trump as well as the other nominees, as otherwise people might start to think the complaints might not be genuine.
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integrity of the election that they might lose, with nonstop for mike about fraudulent votes being recast. it didn't pass election and so with less than nine months to midterms, it's time to keep an eye out on that again. here's an interesting thing, it turns out the most of the alleged voter fraud that has actually been documented, which is miniscule, like, count on your fingers kind of thing, has been carried a republican. just take, for example, the state of florida. the retirement community known as the villages, we have four residents were accused of casting more than one ballot in 2020. once in florida, again in their home states, three of the homes -- no party affiliation. with that in mind, there's another story that's been grabbing floridians attention. allegations of canvassers
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improperly switching elderly voters party registration. it was first reported back in december, with this 84-year-old in the miami community. one of the political and social organizations who are registered with the state as a third party voter registration organization who regularly sheer help people register, they came calling she said. her family believes she trusted the paperwork they gave her and sided only to learn they were registering this lifelong democrat is a republican. >> since that story aired the miami herald found that 100 people who live in the 20 least towers changed their political party affiliations during a recent three month period, adding to questions about whether some residents party affiliation was change without their consent. bianca castillo reports for the miami herald. her first on that story. she joins me now. this is wild. i've seen it floating around and wondering if there was a dare there, and seems to confirm there's something going on.
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when we know about the folks in these towers have switched the registration? >> so what we know is that there was an unusual clustering of party affiliation changes and in different parts of miami-dade county, including a couple of buildings that are concentrated and cabana. and these are public housing buildings where a lot of people who live in these buildings are elderly folks and many of them are hearing impaired. many of them have some sort of -- a lid on their own. what we know is there were canvassers and some of them have been identified as having been working with a political party of florida. they were knocking on these doors basically telling people, we want to change -- we want to give you a new updated voter i. d. card. we want to make sure that your
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address is updated. we want to make sure that your signature is accurate. and people who just trust it that these canvassers were there in good faith, pretty much signed, did not look at the rest of the form, and then one month later, two months later they get an i. d. card this is republican party. what we found is that the trends were pretty stark. we have a building about 475 units. you have about 100 people, more than 100 people whose party affiliation was changed, all of them, to the republican party. and what we found across the county is that it flusters where five or more people change their party affiliation in this form of the period, 90% of them or switched to the republican party. that is stark, because we do know that as the state of florida has been trending to the republican party, miami-dade county is included in that trend. there is a sort of question around how these affiliations
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change and why they're being concentrated in these public housing buildings. >> yeah, so i read in the reporting here according to the herald, 5420 people party affiliation change between october and january registration files. the changes were concentrated of multi family residential buildings, often low income housing. you found these clusters of more than five. changes happening. who are the canvassers at issue here? who do they work for? >> so, that's the big question, right? i mean we have at least two people who have come forward with pictures of canvassers who have badges that say there pdf, which stands for the republican party of florida. we know that some of these canvassers are working for the
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republican party of florida. but you're guess is as good as mine. there's a lot of questions still about are all of these canvassers being trained for this sort of switching? it's not legal, it's not legal for people to be changing party affiliations without peoples consent. we've talked to many of these presidents. a lot of them don't even understand what is the difference between voting from one party and being affiliated to a party, but there are a lot of people who are aware. they are really outraged that they were kind of -- a feel humiliated that they've kind of taken for granted by these canvassers not being asked, are you actually going to be affiliated to this party? do you want to be affiliated to this party? so that's how we saw this woman who came forward in december, and since then many other voters have come forward and said i am a democrat. and also adding context to all of this, is the seat of florida has closed primaries -- which means if you're not affiliated with the democratic party you cannot vote in the democratic primary. that has more of an impact for the electoral race, but for a lot of people lead to want to get to get the chance to vote in that democratic primary.
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that's kind of the context to all of this. >> yeah, that's the important part of this, because if you change those registrations they cannot vote in the primary in that matters to a lot of folks. but also, you may not be able to answer this in the short time we have left, that would possible advantages is there to doing this? you're not changing anyone's vote. they could still vote. it's a strange tactic. >> yeah, i mean we do have to kind of remember that republicans did surpass democrats in border registration in the state of florida for the first time in recent history that we can remember. as recent as 2012, democrats had a 700,000 voter advantage over republicans and now republicans are about 68,000 des -- than democrats. i think when you think about it it's the argument that a lot of democrats have been making, is that when you have the sort of narrative that republicans are overtaking the state of florida des in the board of
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registration, why do we want to invest in getting voters in the state of florida for any other party? >> yes, bianca padro ocasio, great reporting and you explained it's a one. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. that is all in on this thursday night. reporting and explained it so well. that's "all in." >> important segment in these times. >> thank you to all of you at home for joining us this hour. you have ever seen one of those comedy central roasts? they are tv specials with comedians get together and roast or make fun of some person, and that person has to sit there all night in front of an audience and just take it. in 2011, they held one of these roasts of donald trump, and the comedians that night, they were brutal, they made fun of his hair, his face, his