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six decades later, his accuser, keller and bryan, admitted her claim that emmett till whistled at her was false. legislators have failed to pass anti laws, more than 200 times at the federal level in the years before and after emmett till's death. but on tuesday, president biden finally changed that, signing into law the emmett till anti-lynching act, which classifies lynching as a hate crime, punishable by up to 30 years in prison. and the bill signed by vice president kamala harris said this about the legislation. >> racial acts of terror still occur in our nation. and when they do, we must all have the courage to name them, and hold the perpetrators to account. >> most of us first learned about emmett till in school, but today, children and states
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like iowa, florida, tennessee, might never get that chance, and still republican legislation designed to whitewash conversations about race in the classroom. we're gonna have more on that in the next hour of ayman. coming up this hour, why is trump asking for help from a murderous dictator yet again? plus, justice clarence thomas's long running work to undermine the democratic institutions of this nation, and later, the gop's midterm playbook. queer fearmongering, i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> so, it's 9 pm here in new york. a short time ago, a key ukrainian negotiators that peace talks between ukraine and russia have advance to the point that direct talks between president zelenskyy and vladimir putin could soon be scheduled. this, as ukrainian officials
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claim the entire kyiv region has been liberated from russian invaders. but that good news comes with a dark warning. president zelenskyy saying russian forces have left land mines, tripwire's around the capitol, causing a quote, catastrophic situation for civilians. let's go now to nbc's ali arouzi in lviv, ukraine for us. ali, let's talk a little bit about the interview that you had with the mayor of chernihiv. this was a city that has been heavily bombarded throughout the course of the past month. and there was some reports that russia was backing away from it, or focusing its attention elsewhere. >> hi, ayman. when we talk about the cascading humanitarian crisis mariupol, the relentless bombing, well, that's why the russians are doing in chernihiv right now. it's a city that has been encircled by the russians. it's been cursed by geography, because it shares a border with belarus and russia. and i had an opportunity to speak to the mayor, and he
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painted a very grim picture of what is happening in his city. he says that the russians have destroyed about 15 to 20% of all apartment buildings in the city. about 60% of private homes. they've blown up the bridge that connects chernihiv to central ukraine. they have blocked all the roads connecting chernihiv to the rest of ukraine. they're not letting any humanitarian aid into that city. it's the only way humanitarian aid gets in by private citizens, using boats, kind of sneaking through the river, to get very tiny portions of eight into that country. they blown up a thermal power station there, so there is no gas, there is no electricity, there is no running water, there is no food in that city. the only way he was able to speak to me was because he had a generator. so it's another disaster in the making their. he said there about 100,000 people still in chernihiv, but
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they don't want to leave. they decided to stay there. some of them are fighters. some of them are civilians helping the fighters. and he said the russians are angry with them, they won't give up their city. and that's probably why they're are bombing it so hard. but he said that the only way the russians are gonna be able to take over that city is if they make peace with the russians or if they kill every single person in that city. and it was hard even talking to them. you could see he got emotional by the end of the interview. it was very tough for me. he says he is very isolated in chernihiv. i was asking him about reports of whether you know if the russians are backed away, or if there are troops. he said, i don't really know. he said we totally isolated, i'm not getting reports from outside the country. i can just concentrate on what's going on over here. but the resilience again that you see with him, with so many others of the ukrainians here is just so unbelievable. they will fight to the last person standing in every one of their cities, towns and
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villages, and chernihiv is no different to anywhere else here. >> absolutely heartbreaking, the account that he gave to you, in terms of what's taking place there. nbc's ali arouzi live for us in ukraine, starting off this hour. here's the headline from the boston globe this week. as the west closes ranks against putin, trump asked the russian work remain ill for political help. that's where we start our ukraine coverage with our panel tonight. charles blowing, new york times columnist and an msnbc political analyst. joyce vance, former u.s. attorney. she's a professor at the diversity of alabama school of law. and of course, msnbc legal analyst. and host of the dean show on sirius -- it's good to have all of you with us. i'll start with you, charles. this week, congressman adam schiff who led the first impeachment case against trump, weighed in on trump's request to for dirt from none other than accused war criminal, vladimir putin. listen. >> at least, he's consistent.
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consistent in the immoral and not patriotic to be appealing to putin. this man, donald trump, cannot change. he will not change. it is a we is. he will always seek to cheat. he will always seek to get foreign help. it doesn't matter they're whether putin is attacking russia. it doesn't matter if people are dying. >> what do you make of trump's latest requests? >> well, it seems to me that this is what happens when republicans refuse to follow through on an impeachment, right? these are the people who are now trying to be hawks on the ukraine situation, where some of the very same people who refused to vote for impeachment of donald trump, which would probably have admit that he would not be able again, so he'll be able to ask for help. i think that zelenskyy gave that speech to congress, and everyone in that room rose to give a standing ovation to that speech.
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they called him brave. and they said that the ukrainians were doing what's amazing. but they didn't stop and pause to remember at all that they had defended the man who tried to undercut ukrainians ability to defend themselves, by withholding $400 million in military aid, because he was trying to extort them. and because we have refused to act on impeachment, on donald trump, and when i say we, i am looking at republicans, this is what you get. you see a man who says, i was slept on the wrist, but i was not handcuffed. and therefore, i can do it again, and i will. and the consequences i can bear. >> joyce, here's how white house communications director, kate bedingfield, responded to all of this. listen. >> what kind of american, let alone an ex president, thinks that this is a right time to enter into a scheme of ladder
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putin, and brag about his connections to vladimir putin? there's only one, and that's donald trump. >> aside from the horrible optics, are there natural security implications that can concern you about where donald trump is doing right now? >> it is deeply concerning, and it demonstrates, i think, so clearly such, as drought said, the failures of the first impeachment. where adam schiff recalled in his closing argument, and said, you know, if you do not convict him, he will do it again. and here we are headed into the midterm election, with a former president yet again asking for something that will help him with his political campaign. trump over and over again has shown that he is under a mentality that is not held accountable, not only will he continue to reengage, and whatever you want to characterize it as, political misconduct, criminal behavior.
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not only will he continue to engage in it, he will double on it, he will go a step further. and here, we have been reaching out to the same ruler who is bombing and killing innocent ukrainians. and yet again, asking for political favor designed to help former president to match his own personal interests. that's the national security interest. the national security concern that you're talking about. having someone close to empower, who's willing to address his personal interests, not the interests of this country. >> so dean, when you take that into context of the mindset of donald trump, which i take to put you in, where you at all surprised to how trump's soliciting how from an alleged war criminal? should there anything, should there be anything that surprises us anymore about donald trump? >> no, first of all, can i say, though, happy ramadan.
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the first night of ramadan. and i hope that something happens -- but thank you for having me co-host the show tonight. ayman, here's the thing. should we be surprised? they vladimir putin since 200 and $60 million -- of course not, this is donald trump this is a guy who literally -- is at a rally in georgia, and calling vladimir putin smart. he called him smart, while he is literally killing women and children. look, there is a connection between january 6th and putin's attack on ukraine. both have the same goal, ending democracy and installing a dictator. that dictator, in our case, would be donald trump. and i think that, you know, where charles mudd and joyce, i think republicans in 2022 should have to answer for donald trump's conduct here, praising putin over and over, and asking for help. can any republican running for
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congress answer, are you fine with it? are you pro trump or are you pro america? because to me, there is no overlap. if you're pro donald trump, you are not a pro-american. you see a general who called russia an enemy. they are fighting a proxy war in ukraine. and trump has aided in comfort or enemy. -- let republicans ascent on the campaign in 2022. >> charles, let me go back to something you brought up, and that is republicans and all of this. republicans were, as you mentioned as well, you know, reportedly squirming when they heard about trump's request to putin. some rebuked him. most chose to stay silent. is there something republicans can do? what more should republicans do, given the fact that this is a party that by most accounts, it's totally lots its backbone, when it comes to donald trump? >> first of all, i don't hear
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about republicans forming. i don't believe it. it's completely false. you know, the idea that, you know, that they have to choose, they actually have already chosen. they chose, during the impeachment tries, they basically said they were perfectly okay with this happening. and they let it slide. that was the only question during the impeachment. was this okay for the president of the united states to do what he did or not? and if you are not okay with it, it was a yes to convict. and if you are okay with it, it was a note to not convict. and they all voted no, almost all voted no. so, i don't, there is the political question of optics, is there something they could do to make it look less bad in the moment? while we are engaged in trying to help ukraine defend off russia.
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there is the optics of that. but the truth that, the not of it, the reality of it, is that they have already given into this. >> joyce, all of this raises an interesting political dilemma for me, which is after being acquitted, not anyone, but into impeachment cases, with little traction so far on any of the other investigations that are taking place with overturning the elections, whether it be in georgia or elsewhere, with the lack of traction in the investigation into the trump organization, finances in new york new york. it's trump untouchable? and if he feels that he is untouchable, how dangerous does he become? >> something that we've always seen with a former president is his willingness to continue a dark dissent, when he's not judged. this is after the former candidate who said he could
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shoot someone on fifth avenue without losing any of his supporters. and one of the central problems that we think trump is concerned, is that that is increasingly becoming reality, whether it's folks calling him teflon don, or people who believe that he is in essence, too big to fail. there is no way to cabin him in. in many ways, ayman, this presents the central dilemma that merrick garland, the attorney general, faces. one of the important considerations he has to make, when he determines whether there is sufficient reasons to finally go after people close to the former president, perhaps the former president himself. and a stark reality here is that we've always, we've also altered audio from the former president call two official in georgia, where he did find 11,000 votes that he needed in order to steal the election. it was not georgia voters it was still the election from donald trump. it was donald trump who wanted to steal it from them.
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and so, this notion that he didn't know, that he didn't intend to overturn the election, that it continues to mount in favor of them being able to clear intent. if you want to move forward as a country that continues to blame that no man is above the law, and there is accountability for criminal conduct, the trump should be held to the same standard that every day americans are held to, then i don't see why i think we'll see pressure on merrick garland. i know you sort of set up the question by talking about the slow rule in this regard. but it seems to me that in the last couple of weeks, we started to see at least some strong hints, that doj is perhaps not as fainthearted as many people have believed. not as fainthearted as many people have believed. yeah, we'll wait and see how that plays out. charles, joyce, dean. please stick around. we're on a busy hour. we're gonna switch gears. this is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the anti-democratic values of the
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thomas family. first, richard louis with the headlines. hey, richard. >> a very good evening to. some of the stories that we're watching this hour. will smith saying he has resigned from the academy of fine arts -- slapping chris rock during last -- president academy saying that the group is continue to move forward with disciplinary proceedings against will smith. sarah palin, running for congress. she will fill the seat of don young. she's among 50 candidates on the ballot for the special elections that related to. zero and the ba.2 omicron sub variant is the dominant variant in the eyes. it's the infectious strain accounts for more than half of all new cases in the country. more ayman with a minimal hygiene after this. giene after this we gotta tell people that liberty mutual customizes car insurance so you only pay for what you need, and we gotta do it fast. [limu emu squawks] woo! new personal record, limu! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪
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the lone justice to dissent
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earlier this year in the supreme court rejected donald trump's push to withhold documents from the january six committee. new techs between thomas's wife jeanne and trump's bennett chief step, mark meadows, put that vote back in the spotlight this week. that is only part of the story here. let me explain. thomas's decision was just the latest in a long history of anti-democratic judicial opinions. and has more than three decades on the court, clarence thomas has consistently pushed to make it harder for many americans to have their vote count. to erode institutions, like the free prince. and to dismantle nearly a century's worth of democratically enacted laws. as foxes in mill highs or puts it, thomas's opposition to democracy is not rooted in nepotism. it appears to be quite principled. my panel is back with me. joyce, i will start with you. thomas has supported many efforts to weaken the voting rights act, for example.
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he has also called on the court to overrule new york times versus sullivan, one of the most important cases concerning freedom of press in this country. given that history, should we be surprised that he was the lone dissenter in that trump case? doesn't his records speak for itself? >> so, justice thomas has been consistent. as you say, he has often been a voice against goals of the progressive and the country. certainly, the progressive part of the legal system. his dog is against the voting rights act have been the demise of section five and section two, those two separate, but very important protections. his decision in the national archives, where he was the lone vote in dissent, saying that the former president shouldn't be turned over to the january
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six committee, with something of a surprise. for one thing, he found himself alone in that dissent. by the same token, the argument was a very good want to make. the documents so clearly belong in the hands of the january 6th committee. >> dean, thomas was an early proponent of the so-called, independent state legislature doctrine, that is a theory, i believe, that would allow state lawmakers to ignore their state constitutional writing the laws governing congressional average presidential elections. experts have warned that this could allow state legislature to simply gift its electoral votes to a candidate, regardless of what the actual votes in that state war. does that sound familiar to you? have you heard that anywhere else? >> i think the republican nominee 2024, that's exactly what they're. about anti-democracy. living in a severe, or of the
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world. making it harder for people for of color to vote. he's obviously, of color. scattered section five of the voting right [inaudible] he wanted his own opinion saying, essentially, racism is over, folks. get over it. there's something else about clarence thompson, it's import to talk about. -- he wrote a really good article i never said bc about his wife, ginni thomas, clarence thomas's wife, giving $200,000 from that anti-muslim bigot [inaudible] over the muslim [inaudible] clarence thomas revealed that his wife lobbied the court. so, this court is for sale with clarence thomas. if you read about this in another country, you would say that that is not a robust democracy. that is some sort of autocracy, third world dictatorship, hybrid autocracy situation. this is outrageous.
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i don't care about stepping up even more on this. thomas issued 2022. >> charles, i have to put this in perspective of just our democracy here because there's no doubt our democracy was threatened on january 6th. the attack on our democratic institutions, it seemed like it started a long time ago because it seems to me, at least, when you look at members of congress where republicans are under representative in terms of population size that they represent, and when you look at members of the supreme court that were confirmed by the senate, by senators who represent 40 million less americans ... when you look at a republican president who has won the electoral college vote, but do not have majority vote in this country, you start to really wonder if or not we are living in a functional democracy. how do we make sure some of these more, you know, examples are talking about, don't actually become the norm and we reverse this trend where we are
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seeing the majority is actually and represented in the political institutions of this country? >> well, since he won a setback, let's step back. it's one of the most on democratic institutions in the country. it was designed to be that way. the electoral college was designed to be undemocratic. so, we start from a position that we should start of the position of being nostalgic about of democracy is eroding, but rather certain the position that we never established to be true representative democracy in the first place. not everyone was supposed to ever be able to vote. people like you should never ever, in the framers mind, ever go to the ballot box. but we did. if we moved away from what the founders wanted towards more democracy, but the institutions that the framers installed in the beginning are still there. they were never designed to be democratic. so, we have this broad system,
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on the face of, it we start with the ideal that one man, one woman, one vote. it was never that. it will never be that. but we are doing now is tinkering with this system to make it even more out of step with the idea that each person represents the same amount of power. so, we have to really look at this as a systemic issue much bigger than one election because we are tripping and drifting and drifting further oh way from the idea that each person's voting power is equal. right now, i think we have a situation where it's 35% of the senators represent something like 65% of the population and the inverse is true, as well. so, we are already out of whack. we need to adjust some of the major systems in order to get back to get the idea of democracy.
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>> yeah. i couldn't agree with you more on that description. that is a very good way to put it in perspective. guys, i'm going to ask all of you to stick around for us. we're gonna squeeze in a quick break. when we come back, could the republican member of congress actually face consequences for his actions? i'll tell you about that. out that
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blame the left and the news media, because that's so much easier than just actually taking responsibility for your own actions. charles, joyce and dean are all back with me. charles, i'll start with you. mccarthy said that cawthorn admitted his claims were exaggerated. but what could possibly motivate cawthorn to make those claims about his own party members in the first place? >> first of all, let's start with the idea that it's exaggerated. what does that mean? which word was exaggerated? is what is this definition of an orgy? what kind of drug, is it not cocaine, some other drug? like i'm very curious to have an answer to this idea of which struck, and which part of this phrase is the exact reason. that said, i think the problem here is that they will tolerate all manner of conspiracy theorists, theories, and all manner of things inappropriately said, and
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losses against democrats. when it became about them, that was the bridge too far, and that was why cawthorn is facing those charges. >> yeah, you bring a very good point on the language. i don't really think about that one when i heard mccarthy's statement, because it was so absurd the way that he basically decided to criticize cawthorn, when everything else has been given a free pass, when it comes to racism and antisemitism and white nationalism and white supremacy that comes out of a party. dean, what do you think about cawthorn's statement putting all of this on the left and the medium? >> to go back, ayman, to kevin mccarthy being upset. seeing eyes wide shut, not to tell people about these arguments. he siri secretly wearing a mask, and then publicly tell people so clearly, and charles was right regarding the exaggeration. i think it was ecstasy not cocaine. parents are not being invited to those events and see what's going on behind the scenes. --
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he ran for the senate in 2020 and delaware. that guy, madison cawthorn, there might be something going on, and we don't know exactly. i don't have any mental images of given mccarthy's orgies. i think there might be something going on behind the scenes, there might be a big republican donors attracting republicans to come so far. i'm not getting. i think there is something here. and kevin mccarthy, yeah, he's smearing republicans, saying that it's about democrats, they're woken using cocaine and having orgies, it would share that. but don't forget -- i think there's something here. i think there really is something going on. to that extent, exaggeration is not a denial. so no mental images here, but i think there's something going on in the gop caucus. >> i was gonna say, cawthorn obviously they're not watch the movie fight club, where the first rule of the fight was you don't talk about the fight club. joyce, senator ted cruz was also under fire this week after the washington post published some new reporting about his
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ties to john eastman. of course, the man who was helped engineer the plan to overturn the 2020 election. you have multiple generous investigations taking place, what's legal implications could this have for senator cruz? >> it's hard to say at this point in time. we don't really know if there will even be something as simple as a subpoena issue, for senator cruz by the committee. so far, they've shown a real hesitance to do anything that approaches sending subpoenas to members of congress. but the reporting is very interesting in a couple of regards. we learn for one thing that senator cruz had been a coal clerk of john eastman. that's the federalist society lawyer who authored this sort of step-by-step master plan for scraping the election on january 6th, and preventing congress from certifying the results. and the fact that they were coaxed is something that is
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very telling to lawyers. they look together in the fourth circuit chambers of conservative judge michael living. that means they were very close at one point in time. and there are echoes back and forth of their different plans. so what the future holds for cruises unclear. the fact that there was a line of communication between him and eastman seems likely. they both declined to answer. he's been by asserting the fifth amendment, when he testified to the committee, and saying, answering questions about coordination might incriminate him. cruz declined and said, his spokesperson said that he didn't believe he had read eastman's memos until a couple of months after january 6th. there is an awful lot of overlap between these two. >> all right, panel, please stake around. we've got a lot more to discuss. next, republicans go back to an old playbook. queer fearmongering. queer fearmongering.
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the law is smeared as a quote, unquote, groomer. someone seeking to manipulate and sexually abused children. it is a horrific lie, of course, rooted in a 70s era homophobic fearmongering. and it is part of republican's playbook that we are seeing used more and more often in their one up to the 2022 midterms. back with me to discuss, all of this is my saturday night panel. charles, i'll start with you on this one, by breaking down florida's don't say gay law. explain to us, if you can, why some people are so upset? i mean, there is one passage in particular that i just wanted to read really quickly. here it is. classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade three, or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards. first off, that means third graders can't read a book about say, an elephant with two moms.
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that is wrong. but what's more serious is the second half of the sentence, that reference to age appropriateness is still vague, that it could actually kill any speech related to, you know, the civil rights of lgbtq plus caucus, all the way through 12 great. >> you're exactly right. ayman, if you allow, i want to pull back the lens here a little bit as well, to help our viewers understand why this is happening. this is happening not in a vacuum. this one particular attack is not happening in a vacuum. it has its own issues around it, and debates around it. but it is connected to the anti critical race theory debate. it is connected to the anti protest laws that have been passed. it is connected to the book banning that is going on. it is connected to all the things that are surrounding schools. and the reason that that is, is
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that republicans needed a reason to win back white suburban women voters. trump had done a pretty good job. he was selling in the first election into this second one, the idea of crime an immigrant. that you are unsafe because these adulterous are coming to your home, and they're gonna do something horrible to you and your community. that lost its potency, on the immigrant side, with kids in cases, and on the criminal side with a protest after george floyd was killed, when the crime was committed by police. so, now republicans are scrambling to try to determine what we can do to refocus this energy to panic, and make it work for these particular voters, because they have actually seen a surge in support among immigrants. strangely enough. and also among men because they were tried to -- but the woman were not. and this is an issue of
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centering children as victims, and centering that debate around schools, and it has become incredibly potent and it works for them. and so, this anti-gay agenda is part of that. they don't like gay people, generally speaking, but i've already lost that before. the issue around acceptance of gay people will move faster and the changing of the polls that any other metric in modern american history. they lost that war. but they didn't lose it, if you center it on kids in schools, and those moms become energized again. and so, that is part of what is happening with this law. of what i happening >> joyce, charles pros with incredible context. i just want to pull on a thread that he laid down there for a minute. there's some democrats about the gop would actually, you know, tactically retreat from lgbtq issues after they lost
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the kilburg ball same-sex marriage case in 2015, it seems that they clearly, as charles was saying, never fully retreated. can you describe the onslaught of court battles and anti lgbtq laws that preceded this piece of legislation got accepted? >> well, the culture war is certainly in full force. i think folks who believe that after a burqa felt that the republican party would back away from this issue and except a feat worse athlete mistaken on this issue. the florida law is an interesting one. it has already been challenged in the courts. when i say interesting, i think perhaps that is a marker for saying exceptionally poorly written the statute is very big. there is a constitutional document doctrine that requires laws to be readily understood so that people can draw a line between conduct that is acceptable and conduct that that is in permissible.
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this is so vague that it likely will be susceptible challenge in the courts. it will come up through the country's most conservative circles, the 11th circuit of appeal that will be the end of it. we will continue to see attacks on the lgbtq community. we will see on trans youth playing sports. i think charles is smart to make the political point. this is being centered on children in an effort to hope that white suburban moms will come back to the republican fold. my hope is that and the course of discussing these issues as a country will be a little bit more sophisticated than that. and that will uncover them for the political ploys that they are. for instance, these transgender laws that are aimed at preventing crossover in sports. and really address the nonexistent problem. a problem that exists only in the minds of politicians who are seeking to single out trans kids and use them in a really unseemly, dangerous way that
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subjects them to ridicule and bullying and achieves no societal good. so, perhaps this is one of those issues where the lines are drawn so precisely, in such an unseemly way, that is clearly political, the voters will see through that and perhaps reject these efforts. >> dean, let me switch gears for a minute. you are powerful piece about president biden signing the anti-lynching act into law and how with all the bigoted school speech code laws that are being passed around the country, it will be next to impossible to discuss this in your classrooms tell me a little bit more about this. what is a threat that connects all of these to one another, what you are writing about. >> sure. look at the big picture choice was talking about maybe this is over reach for the gop. it's up to democrats to paint how dangerous the gop is. look at what they're doing. they want to ban abortion. they want to ban books. they want to ban any mention of
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gay. they want to ban chanced teens from play sports. -- black history. wait for it. freedom. are you kidding me? this is tyranny by the gop. [inaudible] there are now 15 states that have a racing bounce. critical race theory -- bans things across, literally, discomfort and guilt. what they mean is, right guild, white discomfort over black history being black achievement or black suffering at the hands of white bigots. this gop, in their mind, has determined to rewrite the past. whitewash the past about the sense of white bigots, who somehow give this gop the power. in my article, there are -- struggling how to teach about slavery. i can't even talk about the slivers being quite, to fight to get fired, because it might
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cause them discomfort. that is what these lies are about. last year, there are causing censorship for the teachers. headed the education commission there, he's going around saying, literally, censoring [inaudible] who talk too much about black lives matter so goal by this gop is to erase black history, erase black achievement, arrays bigots. but don't say, erase the lgbt q. [inaudible] tyranny. they're trying to take our freedoms away. a lot of this is based on religion. some is based on bigotry. 100 percent is wrong. [inaudible] >> all right. i just want to end on a slightly lighthearted note after that conversation. dean, a very glad you finally move that phase of flowers away from the front of the tv where you have had it. if you watch the show, every time dean comes on, he always
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has that base of flowers smack in front of the tv. luckily, we finally realize he can move it. >> looks great. ayman, thanks for letting me on. really brought the shoe together. >> we're try to help here's raider score. anything to get your room raider. joyce vance, charles found, low greatly appreciated. thank you very much for joining us tonight. have a good night. next, amazon workers on new york's staten island just made history. we're gonna tell you about that after the break. e break.
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chris smalls. back in 2020 when the pandemic sector first hit new york, chris smalls was working at an amazon warehouse on staten island. there is him on your screen. many of his coworkers started testing positive for the coronavirus. they were being forced by amazon to come into work. chris smalls, trying to bring his concerns about that to his supervisors, but he says he was ignored. so, he took matters into his own hands and organized a company walkout. he was fired from amazon a few days later for the company said it was an unrelated incident. that is actually where chris's story really begins. after he was fired, after he was let go by the company, he formed that amazon labor union. it wasn't backed by any
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national union organization. it didn't have any major funding sources. in fact, chris smalls spent the last year getting the word out about his union effort, on his own. connecting with amazon workers, home cooking meals for union events. even spreading the word on social media, like tiktok. as momentum built for the union, amazon, for its part, spent millions of dollars to try and foil chris's efforts. on thursday bow, it was finally put up for a vote. 55% of staten island amazon workers voted in favor of forming a union. it is the first successful unionization effort for any group of amazon employees and that company's history. on friday, chris smalls made sure to thank jeff bezos for us help saying, quote, when he was up in space, we were signing people up.
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