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doubt, could also shadow conrad truman for the rest of his life. >> that's all for "dateline". i'm natalie morales. thanks for watching. this is sky news at 11. the headlines. the evidence of russian atrocities near the ukrainian capital, with hundreds of people reportedly killed in one kyiv suburb. russia really focuses on the south and east, with missile strikes on fuel storage facilities near the port city of odessa. the mission to rescue residents in mariupol. the red convoy tries to get closer to the siege city.
is the future nuclear? the uk's efforts to wean the uk off its dependence on russian energy. -- pakistan's prime minister, imran khan, rejects the motion of no confidence and calls for a new election. the female scientist from the past, who are inspiring ireland's next generation via hologram. good morning, we begin with breaking news. the foreign secretary, liz truss, says there's indiscriminate tax against innocent civilians against russia's unjustified invasion of ukraine. it must be investigated's war crimes. it comes as evidence of the atrocities committed by russian forces around the ukrainian capital begin to emerge today, after president zelenskyy's troops to regain control. the mayor of one suburb, bucha,
says 300 residents were killed during a month long occupation by russian troops. -- filmed as ukrainian forces showed several bodies in civilian clothing strewn across streets. officials and local say they were shot by russian troops without provocation. in other developments this morning, ukraine as if accused russian forces of abducting civilians and using them as human shields to protect hardware. ukraine's deputy prime minister says buses are preparing to evacuate residents from the encircled city of mariupol. a series of explosions were heard in the city of odessa, which is a key strategic position on the black sea. russia has confirmed that its missile struck an oil refinery, and three fuel storage depots around the city. residents are waiting possible
evacuation after the renewed attack on the strategically important port. that strike came after president zelenskyy complained about the lack of critical aid from the west, warning that russia intends to push harder in the country's eastern and donbas regions. >> the ukrainian armed forces will not let the invaders go without a fight, they will inflict damage. they are destroying everyone we can reach. we are strengthening our defenses in the eastern direction and in the donbas. we are aware that the enemy has reserves to increase pressure in the east. >> our international affairs -- dominic -- is in lviv. >> -- but with the russians would be acceptable to the russians, to the extent that the russian leader would be able to meet with president zelenskyy to thrash out further details. the russians are saying that that's not the case. there's a lot more talking to
do, and that the ukrainians have not accepted the russian position on donbas and crimea. they said ukrainians have accepted that they will be neutral and that there will be no nuclear weapons in ukraine and they won't join nato, which is something that ukrainians have said in previous statements but clearly, this two sides are still apart on key issues. i think we'll hear more and more on this in the coming days, with signs of optimism, progress and caution. we're heading towards some court of diplomatic progress -- at the moment, we're clearly not there. the ukrainians are former optimistic about the situation, militarily, on the ground, in kyiv, the capital. they've pushed russians right back to the russian border. it's out of the entire region of kyiv, all the villages and towns --
-- it's pretty clear on the ground that they've been forced back militarily, and it's a remarkable feat of arms for the ukrainians, given where we were five weeks ago. and opening day to the offensive, many people assumed to be a matter of time before the russians were able to sweep in to the ukrainian capital because they had such a more worrying advantage. drew a combination of resilience, extraordinary strength and spirit, but also the help of western arms and intelligence, ukrainians are able to push them back. will they have now discovered appears to be one very large more crime scene with corpses on the streets, mass graves in the town of bucha, which will go down -- they found a mass grave, 300 people killed their. we've seen evidence of civilians being executed, tied up in shot in the streets. --
simply because they're being used as human shields. it looks like russian troops have been out, systematically, looking for people. -- according to some reports, raping. a big war crime scene that the ukrainians had to move into and have to secure to get the civilians out safely. a lot of unexplained ordinance, booby trapped, land mines. the big priority in the south, get this international red cross convoy into mariupol. where 100,000 civilians have been hunted down, starving, unable to get water, food, heating -- it seems that convoy has not got to the city yet. he tried over the few days, and it is now a desperate attempt to get them out. they've got 54 coaches, the red cross, on which they want to board as many civilians as possible. it seems so far they have not been able to get in, or get the
civilians out the city. e >> dominic with the latest frm lviv. the government is set to reveal its new energy strategy on thursday, with plans expected to include -- by 2050. it comes amid a deepening cost of living crisis, and continued concerns over the impact of the war in ukraine on the uk's energy supply. jonathan reynolds says, while he does support in nuclear capacity, it's far from simple solution. -- expanding nuclear capacity will play a vital role in increasing the uk's energy independence. >> we'll be looking for a greater mix of different ways to produce our energy, which do not rely on imported hydrocarbons from russia.
you might expect to see more nuclear reactors, nuclear power, who would deliver, modular reactors are likely to be one of the important ways forward. they've already reduce modular reactors, they already exist and submarines. there may be other technologies which could be moved along faster. >> the individual commissioning decisions on nuclear actors depends on the price that you can achieve, that relates to the financing. they could be very expensive if you have been able to get the right deal. none of that should be used as a smokescreen to get away from the real issue, the cost of living being extreme, energy bills are huge for that. government haven't done enough. >> joining me now is our political correspondent, rob powell. rob, important week for energy. what more can you tell us about the government's energy shut g?
>> we're starting to get allied with that energy shall and you will look like. a big black youth -- offshore wind. -- potentially -- this is important for the government because there's a potential to partially take off to big policy objectives. the first, remove the reliance on fossil fuels and move towards -- a boo-boo tweed -- we are booed to use beer, as you bet we take out. the second, being more self sufficient. in the long term, that means the country will be less vulnerable to price spikes. it also matters for diplomatic reasons. we will be less reliant on imports from other countries. recently countries at russia --
show with the political risks are. the forces cost we've. heard about tensions in the government with prices and producing nuclear reactors. then there's a degree of tension about the visual impact. but the go, -- upload you swear or to erwin's -- that seems to be rolled back on in the transport secretary, grant shapps, when he spoke to sophie ridge was pretty vocal about what he saw as the downsides of onshore winds. this is what he said. >> i don't favor a vast increase on -- four pretty obvious ribbons. i sit on the hills there, and can create something of an eyesore for the communities as, well as actual problems of noise as well. i think the reasons for
environmental protection -- the way to go, it's often see. >> i think onshore wind taking more of a backseat this week, although we know the government is exploring the possibility to get incentives for energy bills. the bigger political value for governments, oleg radical big could it's a case for why these developments lead to cheaper energy bills. the danger is, big infrastructure projects like this take time. we're going through a cost of living crunch. the political danger is that the government goes into this next election with big sounding promises. but less offer people to help with the cost of living, at the moment. an indication of that is that labor of set this morning, the government should be making plans for potential energy rationing, as impact on the war
starts to buy later this year. the government dismissing that and saying is not part of their plan for the coming months. robin west minister, thank you. to pakistan where fresh elections will be held in 90 days time. that's according to the country's information minister. pakistan's president has dissolved parliament after prime minister, imran, can -- no confidence move earlier in the day. >> not of the speaker has exercise his constitutional power, i've advised presidents to dissolve the assembly, so that our prevails. in a democratic society, we conduct election so that the public choose who they want to leave their country. >> a reporter is it islamabad. -- extremely fast. we can see imran khan fighting for his political career.
>> yeah, absolutely. fighting to the last -- one i met him. he said he had a few tricks up his sleeve. it seems -- [inaudible] -- to attend that vote of no confidence. this was the last day could possibly have been held. suddenly, the deputy speaker said that he was rejecting today's vote, based on the fact that it was unconstitutional -- [inaudible] -- in pakistan's business. let me explain what that means. [inaudible] -- revealed that they had been privy to a cable -- stanley ville message to pakistan, and it's politicians, that if he were to win the vote, he would be isolated and things
would be made very difficult for him, and the future of pakistan, if you were to lose -- all will be forgiven. he was not going to share which ford coach that was, belie redress, he appeared to slip up a name the united states. the united states -- made a statement from the podium saying that there was absolutely no -- >> saima, i'm afraid we're gonna leave it there. apologies, the sound is having some issues. we'll try to get back to her later. for now, let's return to matters in the uk. protesters have blocked multiple oiled oppose for thursday, calling for the -- activists have broken into some of the oil depots and lock themselves in tankers to
prevent them leaving. our correspondent is in bunts ville and oil depot and hard for sure. protesters have been there for a couple days now, what's the aim, tell us more about what's happening in the latest. >> >> yeah, this is the third day of passionate nationwide, this is the first time they've targeted this specific oil double. this is the closest we are able to get around the gates for a lot of police activity and ambulances to. we've also seen a police drone going up, trying to get a sense of scale, how many people they're dealing with on site. we do know that about 35 protesters slept here overnight. it became very well prepared. one of them told us they had sleeping bags, food and drink. 12 managed to get inside the facility, the majority have climbed on top of fuel trucks, refusing to climb down. they have banners and essentially have managed to
successfully stop this facility from operating. the protesters here are among 100 across the country states, seven sites. as i mentioned, third day of action, there from a group called just stop oil. the message really as for the government. for them to stop relying so heavily, they, say on oil and gas, and to focus more and renewables, and insulation. i spoke to one protester a little earlier, this is what he had to say. >> optional, thank you. you're watching sky news, coming, up we get some analysis with former aria pilots. and no advisers's new defense and security solutions. solutions riders! let your queries be known. yeah, hi. instead of letting passengers wrap their arms around us, could we put little handles on our jackets? -denied. -can you imagine?
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doubt that cave may remains a strategic priority for putin, as we can see here. but i think it's pretty evident from the fighting down south that this is going to be a bit too far at the moment. so either that phase one is largely complete, it's been a strategic failure for russia. i think particularly for me while, yes, they've or withdrawn, deploy sounds like a better word because withdrawn sounds like they've been defeated. the key is the airport there, because it's difficult to take the airport. they lost a lot of troops taking it. to walk away from it is a key indicator they're not gonna do this, and have a go at kyiv anytime soon again.
>> and also i'm sure we've been hearing reports on missile strikes, in the country on an oil storage depots. so how significant is this? >> well, we're talking about a desert on the west side there in terms of strategically, it looks unlikely that russia is a position to take it. it's 1000 miles away. it looks really unlikely that they have the land forces to take odessa, but i think we can see more maritime forces, and missile attacks. just sending a clear message that russia is far from defeated, is actually still poised and ready to go. >> i think the big question for many of us is, what is the endgame for putin? you, know what is the next phase of campaign for ukraine? >> i wish i could be inside putin's head. it's pretty obvious's initial ambitions took hold of ukraine quickly has failed. i think the reason we're seeing the deploying of troops is
because they have a plan b male. they're most likely going to focus on the donbas region, and mariupol, to build the land bridge to crimea. the worry for ukraine is that the donbas region is relatively easy to resupply but creates the same difficulties and challenges. we also have air power. . we've not really seen russia uses air power before if they can operate in the donbas region with relative security that will give ukraine forces a difficult time of it >> absolutely sean thank you much. we return to you later. now missile strikes near ukraine's southern portal in odessa says destroyed a oil refinery used by the ukraine military. this was an attempt to evacuate people from the devastated city of mariupol, or duty continues. joining me now is former foreign policy adviser to the president of ukraine, you go.
oh they just released a statement saying the indiscriminate attacks of innocent civilians must be investigated as war crimes. what more can you tell us about the scenes we are hearing about, coming out of places like blanca, odessa, or mariupol? >> first of, all i have people who i know on the ground in places like boone xia. devastated with wet we saw. we saw multiple instances of major war crimes, at least one mass grave has been uncovered with nearly 300 bodies. we are seeing naked bodies of women's thrown across the streets. you, know russians tried to burn the bodies after raping them. the most horrible story this morning came from them, finding at least a dozen corpses of females who have been chopped and then run over with a tank.
so that gives you an idea of what has been happening there for a month. what russia was trying to do. the most important thing, one thing that did not make sense to me was russian tactics in the beginning. on the one hand, they were coming into ukraine, not expecting much resistance. but it's the same time, every single form they used was a mobile crematorium. now we're starting to see who the crematorium were meant for. >> we were just discussing about ukrainian forces taking control of the entire city of kyiv. do you think this is a signal, sending a strong signal to russia that actually, this is a city you're not gonna get your hands on? perhaps this will stall them, and make them change their mind about the current situation? >> well first of, all the never have any control over the city of kyiv it's the kyiv region that we are talking about. they are treated, but from what
we have seen on the ground, they have played pretend that they've retreated because they're fishing the our job objectives. but they were on the verge of being encircled by our armed forces, that is what happened. another story that came out of this, that just sounds ridiculous is the story of the chernobyl exclusions. one of the most contaminated areas of russian soldiers they dug trenches. many of them now are experiencing severe radiation poisoning. so it's just been horrible what is going on. i'm not afraid to say that from what we have seen, nazi germany minus the gastric bridge. >> where do we go from here and looking at the situation in punishments level that putin? the sanctions are not having their attack -- desired effects, what do you think the approach is, what more needs to happen to put a stop to this? >> forceable, not who we are
nowhere near mexicans, there's no embargo on russian oil. those of the sanctions that can actually hurt russia. ukrainian armed forces, we need recent wild, far and defenses, to essentially liberate places like mariupol. from what we've seen in kyiv, i can't imagine what's going on there. thirdly, at the moment, putin is also going after a global objective. so by destroying all our oil depots, he's not only hurting the military, he's trying to create a made or -- a major food crisis in the world, because ukraine is a cultural powerhouse. if there is no grain, we're gonna see some really destructive efforts. >> you mention were nowhere near the maximum strength of sanctions, what more would you like to see? >> i would like to see a complete embargo on any
business from russia, marc on russian gas, fossil fuel exports, i would like to see russian ships banned from every single international port. and basically, russia needs to be in a cage. at least until this war, the active phase of this war stops. we are far past the point of just reaching a peace deal, and saying you made the mistake, you overestimated yourselves. you know, i think the real death toll of this war is of civilian wise, tens of thousands, if not 100,000 people. >> igor, the former former paul foreign policy adviser to the prime minister, thank you for your time. let's check in on the weather now.
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it'll also be further persistent way rain in the west. at least in areas, it'll be largely dry, some bright or sunny spells. looking at the temperatures we're looking at 14 or 15 degrees celsius which is significantly higher innocent wind and rain continues on the north with ordinance we will be through the move. the >> weather sponsored by qatar airways. >> coming up is the feature nuclear sophie ridge, power plants, that in the rest of the shows highlights coming up after this break. after this break
all to stop and think, how we couldn't reach this point. reports of civilians bound and shot, bodies left in the streets, children killed, whole villages destroyed. and they come from areas around kyiv, the north of the country, retaken by ukrainian forces, who are now discovering the barbarity of what russian troops have left behind. these images will now become the focus of war crime investigations. it's easy to feel helpless, as we witnessed a atrocities, but we will be exploring on the program anything the international community can do. let's turn to the government, shall we? we'll speak to the transport secretary, grant shops. thanks for being on the program. >> pleasure. >> it's only right to start with the situation in ukraine.
that is these russian troops who were treating from the aryan kyiv who've been control -- of what is happened how do you respond to. what we're seeing? >> i've been speaking to -- alexander -- in ukraine. he's in kyiv and was describing some of those scenes from his colleagues, the world cannot just look the other way. i think it's a terrible wake up call, both in terms of putin's done but also the suffering. -- with the supply of energy to the west, which is largely funding -- our hearts are with everybody involved. they are in very -- considering was going on, talking to my minister of --
he is very determined, actually wanted to speak to me last night about the rebuild of their country when this is all over. i think they believe in are optimistic that they will win this war, and push putin back. >> the thing that strikes me is that the only reason we're seeing the full scale of what's happened is because russia has been pushed out of these areas. there hasn't been time for a cover-up. in the conversation that you've been having, would have people been witnessing? >> unfortunately, i've also been hearing it firsthand, speaking to ukrainians. it's quite clearly horrendous. it's harrowing in fact. -- no child was in a bunker shelter overnight, for seven nights in kyiv, -- he's talking about -- under one relative stay free
right now, but he is playing make believe about building bombshells and can you hear the bombs outside. it's horrendous, and will be many scars. but, i should say, the determination, from what i've seen of the ukrainian people and their government rebuilding the country -- conversation last night was specifically organized because he wanted to talk about how they will get city design back in to rebuild some of those cities. -- which is extraordinary, given the war still going on. such a determination to win and push put him back. i think they will. >> on the war crimes question, of course, do you think this all needs to go to the icc? >> i think it's absolutely right that this is all properly
documented. this matters. we've seen jim warbled for, it matters that is documented. -- to international justice. i think it's incredibly important, almost regardless of what happens in the end, that the world notes -- and frankly, you know, we've seen this -- i'm afraid we've seen this behavior from putin a number of different times, not just in 2013 in syria -- it's quite clear that we must document this. the world must take note. i think it's very important that we continue to provide backing to the people of ukraine. not only the people of ukraine, but because the flight to ukraine is the same as turkey or greece. it really is on our doorstep in
europe. we know what happens if putin doesn't stop there. >> what is the latest intelligence on the actual military situation? it feels like things are quite conflicted. russia reportedly withdrawing from some areas, we focus in on some areas. we've had the explosions in the port of odessa that have come overnight. is russia withdrawing or is a regrouping? >> more complicated than withdrawing. -- it's also the case if this is big burdens organized campaign. we all saw the 40 kilometer long vehicle --
-- having said that, you have to look at the map to see not only does putin still have the territory that he's already seized illegally in 2014, but he's also expanded that all-round on fascination to desperately link up his troops. flattening everywhere in between, like mariupol, which has been largely wiped off the earth. that's a mixed picture, i would say. quite clearly, not gone according to plan and there's some regrouping going on. but this is not, over by any extent. ukrainians should be able to decide their own destiny, it's not for an outside neighbor to tell them how they reorganize their country. it's completely unprovoked, completely without warrant. >> let's look, shall we, i will we can actually do.
sanctions is one part of the picture. you mention the energy side of this. the eu has spent 18 billion euros on russian oil and gas, since the 24th february, which is when the war began. the russian ruble has, unsurprisingly, recovered all the losses incurred since that invasion started. earlier this week, he posted a picture of yourself outside a confiscated yacht. -- not going to make any difference or other? europe is bankrolling -- >> first of all, that's absolutely true. the price of redub a definitive democracy and doing the right thing doesn't come cost free. i suspect we're about to discuss the cost of living. there's a flipside to doing all these things -- particularly in countries like germany -- we've said that in the next
nine months, i guess eight months now, we will stop buying russian fuel. none of our petulance from russia -- we have a relatively low reliance. problem with your represents -- as you've just described -- all of it, eventually, is very important that we carry on down this route. as you rightly say, you can have all the sanctions in the world -- by the way i think it is important to sanction the oligarchy who are close to putin -- several aircrafts, including another aircraft this morning. -- -- that money will go into funding the war in ukraine.
it's very important that we close a loop. britain is urging countries to go further and faster on this. again, i hear this directly from my ukrainian counterpart to the british people. -- with regard to providing help support. >> it's difficult isn't it,? as you say, the sanctions don't come cost free to people in the uk. i think it's important to say the, cost of living issues were here before the war began, but it's right to say that it's also exacerbated it. about to see the biggest fall in living standards since the record began. 400,000 more children have been pushed into poverty, according to the resolution foundation. these numbers are so big it's hard to get your head around them. given the fact that we're committed to the sanctions, the chances are gonna have to come back with more help for people who are on the red line, isn't he? >> this is the flip side -- to go off a good.
the prices are gulag who korea the g7. so also exacerbated massively by these fuel price increases. it's very -- weird to look at the press the pump, for the cost of heating at home. you see the extends in which the prices of left up. chancellor, so far,. has come with a 22 billion pound budget. that's billion, not 1 million, to try and help. as we go through this difficult period, including 9.1 billion,. which is specific to the energy side of things. we absolutely have to look to do everything we can >> for hundred thousand workers in poverty. i know you can fix everything, but is a chance you can have to come back with more, in your opinion? >> i don't wanna get lost in numbers here, but poverty is divided into absolute and
relative. -- the somewhat misleading, to say the least. we were trying to do is make sure, for example, if somebody is working on minimum wage, -- >> i do need to come in at this point. we're seeing 8.7% peaking inflation. energy bills are going up by an astronomical amount. it is absolutely correct to say that there are many families in the country who are going to be seriously worried about how to feel the children, how to heat their homes in the winter. my question is, is a chance we're going to have to come back and do more to help these people? this is what people want to know, they're worried. >> first of all, i don't mean to, in any way shape or form, underplay it. you don't have to be an expert. you just look at the cost of living, as you mentioned, the increase in inflation. -- it's very substantial.
that's why the chancellors already come forward for 22 billion pounds. as want to pick -- >> apologize for quoting our p.i. -- i'm glad that you're seeing is fine, this very reassuring. >> it's very. hi there >> are people who are very concerned about how they're gonna feed the children heat homes. do you think the chants will come back with more? help >> he's already come with a lot of help, including help just last week. sophia, if i could just get to the end of this point. it might be helpful for viewers. the one thing which is been remarkable, because of the help which is giving them during coronavirus, is unemployment is down to 3.9%. they can seize a higher -- and more people are in work than ever before. in the end, that's the way that we're going to put most money people's pockets, while making sure the people turn --
>> many people on universal credit -- >> as i said, i don't want to, in any way shape or form, minimize this. it's a very big, serious problem. you're right to say it's a global problem, as is that inflation we're seeing. however, i was -- somebody who's on universal credit, because of the way the president has amended papers in with more money in their pockets -- with more money in their pocket than the national insurance change -- was trying to do what we can. we're asking if we can do more, i want to be clear, given the chancellor's record, i'm sure he'll always be looking at what else you can do. he's already provided millions and millions of pounds to try and relieve the pressure.
it feels right to start with the situation in ukraine. the russian forces withdraw from those areas around kyiv. we're witnessing what they've left behind, civilians found next bicycles, next to the shopping bags. we can show the images of many of the atrocities, but i think it's right to pause and reflect on the human face of this, the cost of what people are going through. -- she has shrapnel in her skull, this is one of the images that we can bring to people. why should the uk's response to this be? >> it's barbaric. i understand why you can show the images. i think members of the parliament have to view those to see the skeletal we're talking about. i think after what the world saw on syria, with the advent of modern technology meant we could see images directly from atrocities that were taking place meant we knew these kind of images were possible yet,
it's still the threshold from some of the things i saw last night. that was a new level of barbarity. what this country has done, when nato have done, in terms of supplying lethal aid to the ukraine is obviously the right thing to do. that leads to continuing step up as we get to a new phase of this conflict, whether ukrainians are having success pushing the russians back. what i wanted from the chancellor and assuring statement was a wartime statement, in terms of energy. how we're gonna make sure that we weren't -- emergency measures to lower our gas demand -- i didn't feel that. i think we have to understand that this is not a short term position. it's going to go on and continue. >> we'll talk about the details of the energy structure later. to focus on ukraine and russia -- your right to say that we're still spending an awful lot of money on oil and gas, europe in
particular. since the start of the war, the eu has spent 18 billion euros on russian oil and gas. any sanction is going to have an impact, when russia still effectively been backed up by europe. they >> will have an effect on they are having in fact. the level of sanctions are very significant, so in terms of -- >> the russian ruble has effectively recovered. >> you're right to say. there's two things going on. we shut isolated is the world -- from the global connor, we will have the same time having that dependency. in terms of oil, the danger is you go from one autocratic to another. there's not a long term solutions. russian gas -- i think there's some complacency in the uk. russian gas goes to central europe. because of that -- supply the uk. we've got to understand that what is required is not anything that can increase our dependency on fossil fuels, but get this off that dependency. that's why there's gotta be the sprint on renewables. the --
on things like onshore wind, a bad story we've had -- other things that can be done. it can't be going from one country to another. -- this month, this year. it's gotta be that longer term conversion to electrification. to further renewables, to further renewables. that's only. forward >> let's talk about energy strategy. you mentioned earlier in the interview. next week we're expecting the prime minister to unveil it. it feels as if the briefing is all about nuclear -- up to seven new nuclear plants. of course, that's not gonna help families with the bills now, is it? that's gonna take 13 to 17 years for that energy to come into the stream. does labor support the board direction with a government moving? >> we do support -- further development of renewables. i think the danger, as you, say what led to the long term -- frankly, the individual committed -- all depend on the price you can
achieve -- . they can be very expensive, if you have been able to get the right deal. none of that should be used as a smokescreen to get away from the real issue, which is the cost of living being absolutely extreme. energy bills are a huge part of that. the government hasn't done enough. you can they can say that they have done enough. -- lenders are all money than payback over five years. it's completely unrealistic, and doesn't meet the scale of the challenge. what we want to do -- real support six, hundred pounds forth -- that's the scale of what is required. whatever the long term energy strategy that the government unveils, it can't get away from the fact they have to take -- >> let's get a voice from ukraine, shall we? alona shkrum this curly in paris after having met with the french president, she misses now. thanks for being on the
program. firstly, how was your meeting with emmanuel macron, and are you satisfied with what he said to you? >> good morning. we don't say good morning in ukraine, but it's very important for us to give personal evidence on what is going on in kyiv, in kharkiv, and other cities. we did have a meeting with macron and we were four members of parliament, a woman battalion that we call it. also a mayor of mary topol -- taken hostage for six days and then was exchange for nine russian soldiers. he told his experience of being in captivity, how he was treated, whether they want, how he was forced to resign. obviously he did not resign, but it was incredibly important for french politicians and people, and president to hear. to hear from somebody who's not -- who's been there two days ago.
as to how successful it was, we will see on the results. we are done with diplomacy. we've been very straightforward, we've been very direct and i will tell you, very honestly, there are some things that macron promise he did not deliver, but i hope that he will deliver on every point that we talked about. >> i'm very keen to talk about the individual stories of what's happening in ukraine, firstly, on macron europe, and the eu is spending hundreds of millions of pounds every day on russian oil and particularly gas, is that acceptable? >> knows not acceptable. the question was raised with macron, and he said that they are ready to do an embargo on russian oil and gas. they have denied paying in rubles for, as you know, as did a lot of other members of european union. we asked macron specifically,
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