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what could ultimately become the universality of health care, only the united states continues to struggle with is a very big deal indeed. that those are for us tonight, we will see again tomorrow, it's time now for the last word with lawrence o'donnell, good evening lawrence. we're going to have our first and studio guest in two years and two months. my friend sean payton is going to join us, is just back from ukraine. he has interviewed president zelenskyy there. he has much to tell us about his experience there. >> as someone who gets to sit in that seat for you every now and then, that's a beautiful milestone to be celebrating. enjoy your show, i'll see you tomorrow.
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>> thanks. the russian ambassador to the united nations is 60 years old. he will probably live long enough to personally refuse everything that he said at the united nations today, when he lied about the war crimes russia was convincingly accused of at the united nations today by ukraine president volodymyr zelenskyy. the russian ambassador has spent his entire career as a diplomat, but he began his career in a foreign ministry of a different country. a country called the union of soviet socialist republics. when the soviet union collapsed, he and the rest of the rest of the soviet foreign minister became members of the russian foreign ministry. he knows that russia, since
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long before he was born, has been in a permanent cycle of imperialistic expansion followed by collapse and loss of russia's imperialistic gains. ambassador knit nze and knows that russia is going to lose and ukraine in the same way that the soviet union lost in afghanistan. and that just as the soviet military's loss and afghanistan spirit of the collapse of the soviet union, russia's defeat in ukraine will speed up the end of vladimir putin's reign, which could mean the end of vladimir putin's life. ambassador was a little kid when the soviet union partitioned east and west germany, and build the berlin wall. and he was working with the soviet foreign ministry while vladimir putin was working in the kgb in east germany. when the soviet union became so
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weak that the people of berlin simply climbed up onto the fearsome berlin wall and chipped away at it with chisels and hammers on sledgehammers, and knocked it down. and then the downside on the grave of the soviet union in the process. he has seen it all, from the collapse of the berlin wall, to the soviet defeat in afghanistan, and so you know dot knows that vladimir putin has put russia in an unwinnable situation. his position became all the more uncomfortable today would present zelenskyy reminded the united nations that during the narrowing trials after the world war ii of nazi war criminals, one of the convicted war criminals was germany's minister of foreign affairs. but like soviet predecessors at the united nations today, it was ambassador nebenzia's data life for his government to the world's.
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>> now we're seeing blatant, criminally staged events with ukrainian civilians who were killed by their own radicals and the best traditions to accuse the russian army. those killed in the areas from which the russian forces with you after encouraging peace negotiations in istanbul. now, it turns out that we shouldn't have withdrawn. i'm talking about bucha, first and foremost. i understand that you were -- you saw corpses on her testimonials, but you only saw what they've shown you. you couldn't ignore the flagrant inconsistencies in the version of events which are being promoted by ukrainian and western media. the fact that the corpse says, we're not there right after the withdrawal of the russian forces. >> no one believed him. he knew that no one believed them. the moroccan abided to the united nations told joy reid earlier tonight that no one of
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the united nations believe the word that the russian ambassador said. no other ambassador offered support for russia today, including china's ambassador to the united nations. french president emmanuel macron has been trying to broker a cease-fire in ukraine, and was publicly discouraged two weeks ago on president biden first call of vladimir putin a war criminal. not because macron thinks that he is not a war criminal, but he thought that language would be harmful to the diplomatic process. today, president macron's deputy ambassador to the united nations was no longer constrained by diplomatic concerns. >> we are still shocked by the horrific images that were shown in the video this morning. france condemns in the strongest terms the massive atrocities committed by the russian forces. these atrocities could cause more crimes, also crimes against humanity. >> the video of the french deputy and -- it was about to the united nations by president zelenskyy and sean after his speech. the video includes the most graphic and horrifying images of the massacre of civilians ever presented to the united nations security council by the president of a country
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suffering such horrors. i watched the video in its entirety when it was presented to the annotations, i will never watch it again. the videos only one minute and 23 seconds long. but it seemed like an hour, when i was watching it. we are going to show you 12 seconds of this video. in just a moment. and if you feel you must watch it, to bear witness to a lottery putin is doing in ukraine, let me just warn you, that it is going to be worse than you think. not everyone should see this video. not everyone can be hard to see this video. and so, this is the time to turn away from the screen for the next 12 seconds. >> it is because of the united nations before showing that video, presidents get this gotten detail the kind of murder and torture that victims that would be shown in that
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video. and he predicted exactly incorrectly how russia would lie about the videos, that was staged. i present zelenskyy said that the massacre in bucha depicted in the video will not be the last one that vladimir putin inflicts on ukraine. >> the massacre in our city on bucha is only one, unfortunately only one of many examples of what the occupiers have been doing on our land for the past 41 days. and there are many more cities, similar places where the world has yet to learn the full truth. mariupol, kharkiv, chernobyl, dozens of other ukrainian communities. each of them is similar to bucha. the past 41 days. and there are many more cities, similar places where the world has yet to learn the full truth. mariupol, kharkiv, chernobyl,
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dozens of other ukrainian communities. each of them is similar to bucha. >> joining us now is washington post reporter robert clinical. he has been reporting on the war crimes investigations and ukraine. robert, thank you very much for joining us. that point that voters on scheme ain't that we are going to be seeing more and more and more of this kind of atrocity in ukraine. what can you tell us about what to expect and we have covered? >> well, from what i hear from ukraine's top prosecutors, we understand that they have at
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least five different law enforcement agencies working on collecting as many testimonies and photos and videos of war crimes as they possibly can. they believe they have up to 50,000 investigators working on this task right now. they are combing the countryside, going to some of the smaller towns and western ukraine where refugees and displaced persons have been sleeping in schools and churches, and people's homes and the raging interviews that can last up to three hours. pinpointing exact times and places when russian soldiers arrive. and potential crimes they committed. and hoping to pair a lot of that testimonial data up with photos and videos that have been submitted to a war crimes form through the ukrainian government website. so, they hope that to build a comprehensive prosecution
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against vladimir putin and his military in the event that it becomes possible to actually prosecute. >> one point that president zelenskyy made today in the united nations is that he has invited all of the news media to come into ukraine to investigate this themselves independently. he is very open to as much investigative power as people want to bring to this. >> that's been the case. that's been our experience. we haven't had any pushback from the ukrainian government in terms of learning more about what the russians left behind in the kyiv area. obviously, there are still security concerns here. and none of us are rushing into the recently were blatant areas. with the ukrainian government has been transparent so far in terms of allowing us to do a investigation ourselves into many of these alleged war crimes. maybe it's about to call them alleged. >> president zelenskyy made specific references to mariupol, as well as other places, but we have seen the scope of the devastation in mariupol, and it seems that we have to be bracing for a very large number of victims there. >> yeah, i think that's the case. and i think that there is a potential that that area has
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just been so devastated by cluster bombing and the like that some of the really clear cut evidence that you've seen outside of kyiv just may not be available anymore. from all we hear about mariupol and the people that come out of those areas who have just left recently in the last few days, the area has been completely and utterly devastated. >> thank you very much for starting off our coverage tonight, we appreciate it. >> have a great day. >> thank you. and today, other nations, present zone ski said this. >> anyone was given criminal orders and carried out them by killing our people will be brought before the tribunal, which is similar to the nuremberg time bruno. author mind russian diplomats that that nobody has escaped punishment for crimes and older to. i would also like to remind you
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that that we did not go unpunished. nobody escaped the punishment. >> joining our discussion now is neil, who says as acting general of the department of justice we worked on war crime investigations. he is an msnbc legal contributor. neil, what was your reaction to a we are hearing today about the war crimes at the united nations both from president zelenskyy, as well as the french deputy ambassador and others? >> well, lawrence, i'm gratify the we're all talking about in a serious way no. as you know, for more than a month, i've been having work rhymes on my mind thinking that's where this would go. and i've been upset with
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friends, and i've been upset with the united states because i don't think we can give them a, just a we can ignore the video they just showed us. and i say that is someone who is a prosecutor, having seen the video more times than i can recount. but this is heroic, and it's time to see the progress. and at the same time, i want to caution, these workers motions are really hard. i spent a long time trying to build one, they're incredibly hard to do. and so, there are two basic problems. one is kind of, who can prosecute? who was the jurisdiction to do so? and how do you prove the crimes against putin? so, just to start you with the first. how do we prosecute? how these of been prosecuted? there are three basic
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possibilities. ukraine itself could prosecute the international criminal court could prosecute, or possibly the night of states could prosecute. ukraine itself is the preferred mechanism, that's the way that international law operates. even the international criminal court difference to the. so that's possible. the ukrainian prosecutor has already said that she is doing that investigation, and they reported that as many as 50,000 investigators in ukraine are doing them. the harder one as the international criminal court, because there are many vessels in that court that don't work in this context. >> there are many captured russian soldiers in ukraine right now, presumably some of them as individuals of that those dictates could fall under ukrainian prosecution directly for these were crimes. but what would be -- if you see the scenario for vladimir putin is ending up in these serious jeopardy here would be the collapse of the regime. and we have seen that kind of
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that's exactly right, lawrence, there is a lawyer problem and there is a practical problem. the lawyer problem is, is it a crime, can you prove that the person at the top is the one who actually ordered the war crimes? and often, these types of thugs at the top, you know, we talk about another context of the last four years. are very good insulating themselves and operating through which people. but that can probably be in surrounded. the other problem is you have to have physical custody over the person. now, the international criminal court was able to get that in certain context like congo and the like, milosevic also brought to justice. in that way. but you do have to have physical custody in order for a prosecution to have any real meaning. >> let's listen to some of the kind of testimony that the will surely be thousands of witnesses like
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this. richard engel, interviewed one in ukraine. let's listen to this. >> i they started to ask, where are the nazis? give us their addresses, he says. they said, we are russians, we came to liberate you. the soldiers grabbed arena's husband, oleg, and took him out in front of the house. they made him take his sweater off. then they put him on his knees and shot him in the head. i went on the street and blood was still pumping from his head. i started to shout, kill me too, because i have only one husband. >> i and neil, that is definitely testimony of war crimes. >> yes and that really, lawrence, underscores why the united states need to do everything possible to meet these prosecutions. now we're not a member of the international criminal cold and
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indeed congress in 2000 and to pass a statute to try to prevent us from helping the international criminal court. but it does have exceptions for certain work rhymes and like. and i think this is available here. so the prosecutor of the international criminal court has already said, that investigation has to been opened. and we need to provide evidence, some of the work we do from our intelligence community in terms of electronic evidence, should be provided. we have to do simple. power e*trade gives you an award-winning mobile app with powerful, easy-to-use tools,
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bennett's documentary and camera drew watched from a close. as alarming zelenskyy, a former comedian, actor, and now president, became a struggling politician who lost his popularity in office and fell to a low in the polls of only 31% support.
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a few months ago, sean panels there. when vladimir putin invaded ukraine, and volodymyr zelenskyy had the bowing support, i shot up to 90% as residents alum ski, more really than we have ever seen before, took on the burden of a wartime president. unlike any other wartime president that we have ever seen, president zelenskyy has been in the line of fire every day, refusing to leave the capital city for a safer location. the united states offered president zelenskyy safe passage out of ukraine. so he could safely command his troops from a foreign country. prison zelenskyy delivered the bravest, and now, most memorable quote from a wartime president when he said, i need ammunition, not a right. watching all that up close, sean penn now says, that he believes volodymyr zelenskyy
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was, quote, born for this. and joining us now is sean penn. two-time oscar winning actor, director, the founder of community organize relief of her no now score which first went to work after earthquakes in haiti 12 years ago, and more recently run one of the largest vaccination sites in the world, administering covid-19 vaccines to 10,000 people a day. he is not providing services on supplies to ukrainian refugees in poland. sean, you're just back from ukraine, i don't ask your time it is in terms of your jet-lagged on all of that. let's begin with president zelenskyy and what you felt in meeting him, being with him, the day before the invasion. and the day after the invasion. >> there are other privileges
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and the life of seeing children, seeing them find happiness, and then there is a situation that's hard to come by. and i was in that macro, and personally, we have the great privileges that anybody could ever have. i had met with him for the first time, face to face, we've known each other over zoom and preparation for the documentary. and then covid made things difficult travel. so then we were reading for the first time, turned out to be face to face, and it turns out to be the day before the invasion. and we agreed to meet the next day, and by morning, then patient was on. and we didn't meet the next day. and so. to meet someone, and it's always important to say that i take away was that part of only some so particularly extraordinary is that in that courage, he is the face of so
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many ukrainians. and yet, it's not conceivable that he could've known the day before, what he would really be able to rise up. and it's not conceivable having that him during the invasion that he was born for anything but to be able to rise up in this extraordinary way. i mean, this is leadership that we aspire to. this is freedom of thought and you know, true leadership that mostly is just so moving. it's the kind of moving that we need to be able to get this country, that's borderline, kind of populists lap dance of a nation at this point. we've got to get back on track together, and realize that you know ukraine with all its diversity, has a unity we've never seen in modern times with
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a challenge it has. and if we can't do that, much less supply the military resources they need, because they'll fight the fight, they just need the resources. but if we can show solidarity and acknowledge the inspiration that that is, as a man, as a leader, as a nation, the ukraine has become. then i don't know where we fall in the legacy of life. >> there were early comparisons to winston churchill. because once in churchill it was so inspiring to the british and the worst days of the war when london was being attacked and the united states was not in the war yet as an ally. it looked like britain could easily lose this war. and he said, we will fight on the beaches, we will fight to the last breath. and president zelenskyy delivered a similar form with a very big difference. very big difference. that he was actually in the line of fire. now listen churchill was two in the bombing of london but he was much more protected. this was someone who we all had reason to believe, if he remains there, he's going to be dead. i mean, the first few days of this, first week of this, i woke every day wondering is
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zelenskyy still alive. for the first week. did you get that feeling from him, that did he feel on that first day like this could be his last day or tomorrow could be his last day? >> when your moved as i was by this kind of courage, and the tenderness of his humanity's president also. i don't have much time to decide if this is my friend. i don't know if i'll see him again. so i decided he's a great friend that i love. i and so the part of me that wanted to say -- maybe not be in kyiv, finally such an arrogance because who are we, the echoes of give me liberty give me death this man
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embodies everything that is the american aspiration. and what an opportunity for all of us to see living example of what we want to be and be part of creating that. and defending it. we're seeing that he's now one of over 40 million. but this is a unanimous ukrainian personal response. talk about the ukraine you found last november when it was a vibrant country. we met mariupol and death. they may turn out to be the most devastating place in ukraine. you are there in november in mariupol. those that place that you found one it was before there was a whiff of war? >> mariupol is a very industrial town. i think was a 14 hour train ride from kyiv and we went on
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to their front lines unconscious and we mao the soldiers. when we first get down there, and industrial town in america, and ukraine, there's an industrial sent. there's a thickness. and then you get down on the ground with the people on the civilians or the military who are fighting to defended, that's your take away. having been there and met with those soldiers and imagining the horror show they've seen. but the ready to do it a, gun and a gun, and they will win. there's no question in my mind. i know that i'm talking 11 television, and that's gonna come back in the year, two years, four years like, you know what, they are gonna win. the question is, at what cost? i what cost are we gonna let them pay it is really the thing that we have to ask ourselves. and so much has been made about
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what level nato should get involved in with that, and so on. there's a lot of debates, but the simplest one it is not how are the ukrainians gonna win it, but what happens if russia does? because that's gonna come to our doorstep very fast. and so many ways. and when you look at pullen's, to date, it has taken the enormous brunt and the number of refugees. so i think that sums of supporting not only those governments nationally, but the municipalities that are supporting those refugees. the polish people have opened their doors and ways we haven't seen before. we think about a 5. 2% poverty rate. so pretty soon, people are going to get upset about what they considered border crosses getting services that they're not getting. so have to get in there now. we have to get in there now, we have to get more of the un organizations and ngos and to ukraine, which is doable in
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terms of security. and it's doable principally, because you have so many ukrainians will go to the border, and pick up supplies when they gotta go. >> one of the ngos and there is your organization core. you've got people in poland, what are they supplying? what do they needs? >> -- >> -- >> by the way, let's just say the name of the core website so people can go and contribute. >> core response. com. >> okay, i'm a proud contributor, and i hope everyone all sister night. go ahead. >> but was the question, sorry? >> what is cory doing, and what help do you need with core? >> we scaled up a few foreign staff in poland, romania, now also in ukraine. we have about 200 people, about half of those, over 200, but about half of those are ukrainian people who are
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already living in either poland or in armenia. and then about half of them are ukrainian refugees. i want to say one thing about refugees also is that you have these extraordinarily courageous women who took these children across these borders not wanting to leave their husbands behind, but doing so in some generally mutual decision with those husbands for the children safety. and they're coming to a brand-new place, a brand-new time. so with gore, we are doing a lot of support on sustainable shelter. it certainly immediate needs in terms of food, and warehouse on the pole inside. and just trying to push out, push out, push out, and i went with my colleagues and core team to give, last week, i think it was, i met with local governments there. and there are very doable
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routes within the chaos to get was needed to these people. it's such a unique time, because, i have left friends saying, but can you get the weapons? because we'll give money over weapons. well certainly, ngos can give up the level for body armor. it certainly in their consideration they were making. i think we're all looking for things that ukrainian solace they need. and where they need it. >> sean, we need to squeeze in a commercial break because i really want to give this conversation going, if you can say for a few more minutes. we're gonna run range the schedule of the show. we'll be right back with sean payton.
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just back from ukraine. talk about the unity that we've seen ukraine. it's not just a unity of military purpose, and defeating the russians, there's also this political unity, this 90% support of the president. by the way, franklin was abel never had 97 support during world war ii. we thought of ourselves as unified country. what does it feel like to be in the thick of that unity? >> yeah, that i think is nice and packed that i took away. because, you know, i've spent a lot of time the breast and angry and frustrated since 2015 through the trump administration.
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you see a lot of the difficulties that we've been -- to be in ukraine and to feel, despite many political differences even some, anywhere, there's some positions on things but not on this, not on being able to determine their own dreams. and they look at each other and say we're together. in a way, it is so heartbreaking for an american's experience. your first heartbreak, of course, is for those under fire, ukrainians. but very quickly, you connected
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to what you've been missing, and we were promised by the dream was the aspiration of your country. so i think we're a, it's a horrible moment and so many ways, but it's an exciting moment in history to follow the lead of the ukrainians, because they are proof of theory. they're gonna win this thing because they are together. and what they're going to win as, otherwise impossible to win. and it's a certainty. . when we look at it, we look at the role we played in diminishing the death, the maiming, the rapes, the destruction of this country was gonna have so many demands of reconstruction, and where will
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we be done? . that is in my lifetime, but i would say, they're offering us is the greatest opportunity we've ever had to be the america we've always wanted to be. and we've got a figure out where we're going to do to support them doing about. >> sean paton, thank you very much for being with us tonight. thank you very much for the work you do with core. my first two vaccinations were done at your stadium. thanks entirely to you. and again, i personally want to support, and i hope our audience supports the work you're doing with core and poland. please come back, and keep us posted on what's happening with core in poland, and the documentary on ukraine proceeds. going to washington from here? >> i am. >> are you gonna be gathering information from people in washington, or delivering them information about what you
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found in ukraine? >> i think i can go either way. >> it could. sean paton, thank you very much. and coming up, judge ketanji brown-jackson has the votes for her senate confirmation later this week, and the newest member of the supreme court appointed by donald trump offered a truly childish defense of glands thomas yesterday. that's next. your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems.
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harris's reaction today to judge credential ground action securing the bipartisan support of 33 senators for her confirmation vote which could come by the end of this week. >> it's the right thing and i cannot wait to watch her be sworn in as the next justice of the supreme court. >> no just as the history supreme court has been suspected of or accused of anything as bad as what we already know justice clarence thomas has done. justice clarence thomas participated in a supreme court decision that involved the activities of his wife. and those activities involve and illegal overthrow of a presidential election. justice thomas was the only one of nine supreme court justices who voted to block the delivery of trump administration evidence january six committee, evidence that could include
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communications from clarence thomas's wife, communications from clarence thomas's wife already turned over to the committee showed that she was urging the white house on the illegal overturning of a presidential election. the newest member of the supreme court appointed by donald trump went to a republican political shrine yesterday. the reagan library in california to offer the most childish possible defense of clarence thomas and his wife. >> you think there should be court on what's spouses should and shouldn't do? i don't think, most of the spouses would be very happy about those guidelines. certainly when i try to give my husband guidelines about what to do and not to do in the house even that isn't go very well. now, i mean the court is very, like i said, everybody's very attentive to those kinds of things. >> joining us now, chairman of the african american studies department of person university an msnbc contributor. and david plouffe who served his campaign manager
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and white house senior adviser to present barack obama, he's an msnbc political analyst. and professor glaad, we just heard a supreme court just say that the reason not to have any rules is that when i try to give my husband guidelines, about what to do and not to do in the house, even that doesn't go very well and that's the kind of thing that gets a laugh at the reagan library. in the middle of the worst scandal any supreme court justice has ever been involved in. >> well, lawrence, it reveals that justice -- doesn't quite take the seriously. and the folks who were listening to her tone as well. there's a sense in which when i listen to her comments, that there's this kind of seductive fantasy about the innocence of the court. and she performed it. and we see, for those folks in for her, that witnesses thomas and ginni thomas allegedly have done it doesn't raise an alarm. and that, to me, is very very dangerous. >> david, you worked in the white house, there are a few things more important then
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supreme court nominations and confirmations. what does this mean to the biden white house, what does it mean to the supreme court? >> well, it's a great moment for the country, lawrence, another piece of history made. she is one of the most qualified jurors ever to be nominated so i think she'll make an outstanding justice. and i think that you know we need people who are willing to be truthful. and to be honest about conflicts of interest. because what's she mentioned the lead of here, clarence thomas is the only one of the nine to vote to allow trump evidence to basically not be permitted to be heard by january 6th. when his wife was thick as thieves with roger
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stone and the my pillow guy planning the insurrection. it's historically concerning. so this is a great moment, now for the country this week, when she is going to get confer firmed. but i think just as we're worried about our institutions our country, and will they survive. this is gone -- >> so we saw that there were american nazi supporters of donald trump at the insurrection at the capitol, arrested, convicted now of crimes in that. and so, there is a political party in this country that for which nazis have an infection. that is the republican party. let's listen to a republican senator tom cotton just when you think they had already gone as low as they can go, let's listen to what he said today. >> the last judge jackson left the cream court to go to nuremberg. and prosecute the case against the nazis. this judge jackson may have gone there to defend them. >> professor glaad, your reaction. it's nonsense, we are awash and stupidity, that's just another example. i think i want to echo something david
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said. well we're experiencing here is the juxtaposition of two things. one, there is the excitement around the fact that we're going to have our first black woman on supreme court. that's going to happen. it's indicative of a new world, a new america trying to be born. and it's juxtaposed with the ugliness, the ugly underside of america. you think about january 6th, the coup, anything about january seven, the certification of the election of -- and jon ossoff. in these days, there is this collusion, lawrence, of an old america, that's really clinging to life, and you america, desperately trying to be born. >> david plus, president obama returned to the white house today for the first time since he lived there. and he was there to share with president biden, the announcement of expansions to accessibility of the affordable care act. this will help get health care insurance to a few more hundred thousand more people. and president almost said that that's the kind of story that democrats should be running on. >> mister president, what do you say to democrats won about the midterms? when
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you tell democrats more about the midterm? >> you've got a tory to tell, they gotta tell. it >> david, your reaction to that. >> well first of all it's great to see him back, then over five years. looked pretty natural and great moment to step back and talk about all the americans who benefit from the affordable care act. he's right, listen, and a good story has heroes and villains. i think, for the democrats this year, they're going to talk about all the good things they've done on health care, on the economy, on getting us on the other side of the pandemic. supporting schools, but you've also got to fill in the blanks the price of change is too high. if you hand over power to the likes of tom cotton and ted
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[laughs] [applause] >> president obama gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. >> tonight, horrific accounts from the city of bucha. survivors say russians went house to house, executing loved ones in the streets. president zelenskyy making a powerful plea to the world at the un. ivanka trump interviewed from the january six committee -- will her testimony mean anything for the investigation? plus, president obama back at the white house today for the first time since leaving office. as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. >> good evening once again. i'm stephanie