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should do and how i'm using my rights. that right was given to me by god and my parents. >> what did you see in bucha. >> death. just death. >> zelenskyy also says he's committed to pressing for peace and is continuously calling on support from the west. and now the european commission is pledging 1 billion euros to support ukraine, the country receiving ukrainian refugees. boris johnson today discussed ways in which britain can offer more support. >> together with friends and partners we, the uk and others, supply the equipment, the technology, the know-how. the intelligence so that ukraine will never be invaded again. so that ukraine is so fortified
and protected that ukraine will never be threaten in the same way again. >> in the u.s., president biden stepped up sanctions to end the importation of russia energy product but with the support the war rages on with reports russia may be using cluster munitions which is prohibited by the geneva convention. joining now msnbc news correspondent, many people evacuate apting the south and east of the current are coming to lviv where you are, how is handling the influx of new resident? >> hi, alicia, that's right, since the beginning of this conflict this has been a safe zone for so many displaced people in ukraine that have fled mostly the east of the country but this place is filling up,
lviv with 600,000 people in normal times and now over 1 million people here in lviv, almost at full capacity, hotels are full and apartments have opened up to strangers, they're all full. and so many are also across the border into poland which is at full capacity. the fear is this becomes a long protracted war it's not going to be able to handle the influx of all of these refugees but i have to tell you the ukrainian people have really banded together and are doing anything they can to help their fellow citizens that are escaping the very badly-hit parts of this country. >> ali, what more can you tell us about what came out of the meeting between johnson and zelenskyy? >> well, it was a surprise meeting by boris johnson, surprise visit by boris johnson here. he pledged a lot of support to ukraine. he called zelenskyy a lion. he said there has to be a complete embargo on russian
energy and at the same time they have to step up efforts to help ukraine, both financially and militarily. so we have learn that boris johnson said that the uk is going to guarantee a $500 million loan to ukraine from the world bank, that is in addition to another $500 million loan the uk guarantee. so that's $1 billion the uk is guaranteeing for ukraine from the world bank on and they're also giving them armamentarium. boris chance said they will send 120 armored vehicles and anti defense missile defense systems and $130 billion worth of high-tech aid given to the country. they are really throwing their weight behind this country. it is all happening very rapidly after these devastating attacks we've seen at the train station in mariupol. so the harder russia hits this
country the more the international community is rallying behind ukraine. >> talking about the implications of the meeting with ambassador taylor in just a moment but before i let you go, ali, russia was repositioning troops, as they do that more and more evidence of war crimes emerging. there's special teams going through the destruction to document the evidence. what more can you tell us about that? >> that's right. well, there are ukrainian investigators obviously going through all the evidence of war crimes, human rights watches here also doing that, an the u.n. is also sending a fact-finding team to find out what's going on. so they are collecting, preserving and protecting all of this evidence for tribunals in the future. the european commission president was also in bucha and saw one of the new mass graves uncovered there, she had a look of shock and horror on her face. so this is all very important to collect all of this evidence to
take to the icc for a tribunal. this doesn't mean just putin, these are the commanders on the ground giving the orders and the low-level soldiers that have perpetrated these war crime. it is very important part of the war to collect all of this evidence for future tribunals. >> for us in lviv, ukraine, as always, ali, thank you for being with us. bringing in former u.s. ambassador to ukraine and vice president to u.s. peace, thank you for being with us. the attacks at the train station. are we at a new phase of russian aggression. i ask you that every time we speak but as we follow this we wonder is this a new part or is this a continuation of the attacks against civilians that we've been witnessing? >> so this is a horrible extension of these attacks. 50 people killed many, many
injured. this is -- this is horrible to watch. it's terrible to see. it's more indications of the war crimes that you just described. it may, alicia, it may indicate that the russians are getting desperate. that they're not convinlsed that they -- convinced that they can win on the ground. they're not convinced that their ground troops are succeeding. they know they're not succeeding. they were pushed out of chernihiv, out of -- other areas and pushed back into russia so the ground troops are doing very badly and so all they have is doing damage, and great damage, to civilians, are these missile strikes. it's terrible to see. >> and to your point, perhaps, about that desperation, today you heard zelenskyy say he's
leaving the door open for negotiations with putin, what's the diplomatic strategy more than a month into this invasion? >> first of all the diplomatic strategy is made incredibly difficult by these horrific attacks on civilians. it's hard to stomach sitting down with people russians who are doing these kind of acts, it is -- it is -- it's against everything that you can think of. but -- >> -- especially when are you zelenskyy on the world stage saying this is genocide. to have to say both, this is genocide against my people and i have no option but to leave this door open for talks. >> he does. but he is gaining more and more leverage, a leashia. i think again, the bad showing of the russian military in kyiv and around kyiv and these other cities does give president zelenskyy the leverage to drive
a harder bargain. when he does sit down. in the end, when president putin figures out that he is actually losing on the ground and that if his military continues to be badly out fought by the ukrainian military than president putin may well have to come to president zelenskyy for some kind of a diplomatic agreement that he, putin, can take back to his people to say this is what i got. so there is that leverage president zelenskyy has. >> as you well know the uk's boris johnson made a surprise visit to kyiv today. if you are u.s. diplomatics and watching that visit, did it feel then as though the marker of what it means to show up in this moment as an ally, as a friend, as shifted. >> so it's a great move. it's a great demonstration of support. by the british prime minister. and that's a good thing, that is
a good thing, it demonstrates to ukrainians, it demonstrates to the world, demonstrates to the russians that the west is supporting ukraine. and yes, it's a good sign for others to do. other leaders have been there, as we know. other prime ministers have been there. this is exactly what should be happening. united states embassy is in poland, it could be -- i think it is -- considering moving back at least to lviv. but that kind of presence is a good demonstration, probably the best demonstration of support so good for -- good for boris johnson. >> i was anticipating, ambassador, a "but" somewhere in that answer. >> so, this is not a competitive issue, alicia. so, so we all have to demonstrate support and president biden has demonstrated his support with the kinds of support, the kinds of weapons, the kinds of military support, kinds of financial support that
the united states providing. we should do more. we should keep doing that. president biden needs to make that demonstration. he was there on the border, that was a good thing. again, the presence is important. >> yes, ambassador taylor as always thank you for spending some time with us. from top secret documents taken from the white house to investigation into questionable business dealings, trump's legal troubles piling up. plus republicans seem to be making it harder for americans to vote. we'll speak to secretary of state hobbs how it is playing out in her state. g.o.p. going after reproductive rights and care. oklahoma the latest to pass a near-total ban on abortion. that's later on the show. first, a look at the other big stories we're watching this hour on msnbc. >> we're starting with pittsburgh qb dwayne haskins was
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real estate firm trump used to praise his properties saying cuccinello man and wakeful have defied several subpoenas. here's earlier today. >> we've seen a number of bad corporations and we sued the most powerful individual in the country because nobody is above the law. >> meanwhile the manhattan da refuting rumors he is dropping his case against trump after two attorneyed resigned over lack of charges, he wrote, i understand the public desire to know more about our investigative steps, the law requires secrcy. joining now c o-author of podcast. trump already appealing the court decision he has to sit for a deposition with the new york ag. what are the chances he will actually end up paying the fines
the attorney general is requesting. >> i think we're actually closer and closer to some accountability. and i'm sorry it is taking this long and that it is requiring the state of new york to handle this. but any accountability is good. and so, i am very optimistic, both that he will have to pay the $10,000 and the additional attorney fees happening because of his being stonewalling. and so it could end up costing him a lot of money. >> jill, that is the most optimism you brought on a saturday night in a long time. i also want to ask. the manhattan da told the "new york times" he interviewed new witnesses and the office returning evidence to others that testify. what's it signal to you about the future of that investigation. >> sorry, alicia, i've gone from optimistic to not optimistic. this one i'm not optimistic.
i -- anybody who read the pomeranz letter of resignation knows that the prosecutors on this case felt there was an indictable felony and recommended that president trump should be indicted and that they were refused by the deputy -- sorry, by the district attorney bragg. he's saying now i'm going ahead with this, i just have to be quiet about it, does not ring true, if he was going ahead with it then the two top prosecutors would not have quit, they wouldn't have written the letter which is now public, i wish they would speak out publicly that would be helpful but without that, the letter is clear enough to me there's every reason to be suspicious that he is backing away from his refusal and trying to politically cover it. there is a case there if the
concern is that michael cohen isn't a great witness, you know, as a criminal prosecutor, i can tell you criminals testify against other criminals. you frequently have someone who committed perjury testifying against the one above them. and juries believe them. i know he's not the most creditable person. he has pled guilty to perjury. but he is an insider and they have physical documents which raises the question now, what are the other document that's are being withheld and that's why they're important. because they need to corroborate, even an insiders testimony, you need documents. >> jill, we've talked about the new york ag, we talked about manhattan da. we always have conversations about trump it feels i'm jumping around but it's a testament how many legal problems he's against.
let me ask, "the washington post" reporting the justice department is looking into the boxings of classified documents that trump took to mar-a-lago but house oversight committee has to have more overlap how much will be between the d.o.j. inquiries. >> they both have a legitimate interest. i'm delighted the department of justice is looking at the documents which contain highly-classified documents as well as apparently some gifts taken from the white house that should not have been taken. and the missing records of the gifts received by the president, vice president and other top officials of the administration which is of course a violation of the law, just one more added to the list, as you said, we're jumping around because there are so many cases. the oversight committee has a
completely different role than criminal prosecution of the law. it has to decide on what oversight it needs to do and what rules need to be put in place to prevent future violations like this. so, they have different goals and they are complaining that apparently the department of justice is saying you can't see certain records from the national archives because we're investigating. during watergate we investigated at the same time as the senate went ahead, at the same time as the house juiciary committee went ahead with impeachment and there was no problem. yes you have to think twice and have to think of the in case of immunity you don't want the judiciary committee or senate to give immunity to mun you want to indict. but those are easy to communicate.
i'm not sure what's going on. i heard from the oversight committee representative maloney and i think it has to be worked out so everybody can do their assigned task and congress can pass laws that need to be passed and the department of justice can indict for existing violations of existing law. >> jill winebanks as always thank you for walking us through all this. new voting restrictions having real consequences in the texas primary one in eight mail-in ballots were tossed out. arizona is looking to pass new restrictions. we'll talk to that state's secretary of state next. and british prime minister and ukraine's president took a stroll through kyiv and what was on the table during that surprise visit. next hour we look at what more the u.s. can do. e u.s. can do.
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court declined to hear a lawsuit in an effort to declare early voting unconstitution sal. republicans want nearly all voters to cast ballots in person on election day. joining now, arizona secretary of state katie hobbs now running for arizona governor. secretary hobbs, what's this lawsuit tell you how far arizona republicans are willing to go to make it even harder for people to vote? >> well, they are -- they've launched a full-out assault on early voting. this lawsuit is one example of that. despite the fact in 2020, 90% of voters voted early, both in-person and by mail. not only is there which lawsuit but there's a bill moving through the legislature that would go even further than this lawsuit in ending early voting. >> yeah, it's -- i guess the reason i always get so animated when we talk about this is that we should be sitting here talking about how to make it easier for people to vote, right? we are making it harder for
people to vote. we're making a thing that is already too hard even harder to do. and then you layer on top of that the big lie. it has taken over arizona republican politics. you have people running for governor who are still talking about this, decertifying president biden's win in the state. what happens to our democracy, not just in your state but the entire country if more of these election-deniers continue to get elected. >> right. it's dangerous. we're seeing this in arizona. the frontrunner for republican nomination for governor has repeatedly said she would not have certify the 2020 election and refused to say whether or not she'll certify the 2024 election results if she's elected and joining the chorus calling for recertification which we both know is not a thing that actually happens. but -- but we prevailed in 2020 because there are checks and balances and if we eliminate nose checks and balances by
electing these election-deniers up and down the ballot we're in real trouble in arizona and across the country. >> and i want to be clear there's election-deniers and then there's the g.o.p. stance as a party. example, you have the state's attorney general find nothing evidence of voter fraud in maricopa county and then immediately the opposite tweeted out -- what's the impact of this continued effort to spread disinformation? even when you have reporting saying this is not the case. here's the factual evidence. the fact you still have a major political party say no, no, to the contrary believe something believable. >> yeah and the ag in this case doesn't get a pass. because he's trying to play both sides of the issue. he's embroiled in a tough primary for republican nomination for senate. and so he is trying to tease out
that, hey, there are these wide-spread concerns when in actuality the report he issued says nothing but continues to promote the disinformation out there about the 2020 election and problems quote/unquote problems in our election systems. >> secretary hobbs i have 60 questions left and a question you couldn't possibly answer in 60. you have president biden delivering a speech on democracy and autocrasy -- >> i think the issue is alive and well in arizona and voters have seen what's at stake in the 2022 election. i think they understand that a lot of this talk is a distraction. from that utter failure to deal with real issues that are on the table today and concerning voters today. and they want leaders who are
going to get out in front and tackle those issues that effect their lives every day and that's why i'm running for governor. >> secretary hobbs thank you so much for talking with us about what is happening in arizona. appreciate your type. celebrating history, ketanji brown jackson facing attacks, with dignity and grace to be confirmed to be the first black woman to be nominated to the supreme court and we'll talk about the impact on the high court. and the train station atrocity stunned the world and zelenskyy asking for more help. how the u.s. can help in the fight. join us tomorrow for the new show, with representative charlie crist joining for a live interview beginning at 7:00 a.m. eastern on msnbc. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from
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in my family it took just one generation to go from segregation to the supreme court of the united states. >> that was soon-to-be justice ketanji brown jackson reflecting on this moment in history as she prepares to join the highest court in the land. in the words of president biden, quote, we're going to look back and see this as a moment of real change in american history. joining now associate editor "the boston globe" here's more what judge jackson
had to say yesterday. take a listen. >> no one does this on their own. the past was cleared for me. the path was cleared for me so that i might rise to this occasion. i am the dream and the hope of the slave. [ applause ]. >> i want you to talk to me about this moment broadly. the significance of it. also the significance of that line right there. >> well, you know, you can't possibly down play what this means. people in this country, black women in particular have been waiting more than two centuries to see a black woman ascend to the supreme court, something a lot of us never thought would happen. i think what's so important about the way she looked at the history in a time when people don't want to talk about ancient history is she drew that line from enslaved black people to where she is today and how what they endured brought her to this
moment of glory and also to say that line in front of the white house that was built by slaves, you know, the level of poignantcy was just extraordinary and it was remarkable to watch her in that moment and i feel like what she did after what she endured from senate republicans was she did what so many black women are always waiting and praying to do, she exhaled. >> so much profoundity in that analysis and your point not loss about the moment we find our self in american history, we don't want to talk about the past and grapple, looking forward to the future, republicans walking out of the senate thursday as they confirmed judge jackson how is history going to view their behavior during this moment in our history during this confirmation process? >> well, i think it was interesting.
oprah winfrey said you can tell a lot about a person by the way they conduct themselves under fire. that's true. you can also tell a lot about those stoking and feeding the fire. so with all due respect to michelle obama why do we have to be the ones to go high when they go low. why is civility and grace only demanded of black women like small graceless men get a pass on acting like colicky babies who didn't get their way. what they did in delaying the vote, walking out, they flipped the checker board to try to be a distraction. but you know what, so many in this nation waited for that moment that a few moments of their silly tantrum weren't going to erase that joy. >> here's another oprah quote -- -
[ reading ] talk to me now about what her time in the supreme court is going to look like. >> what i hope it becomes is -- thinking of something sandra day o'conor after marshall was first black person on the supreme court and he retired she said she was profoundly influenced by him, he imparted his legal acumen and his life experience, constantly pushing and prodding us to respond to the persuasiveness of legal argument and power of moral truth. that's what i hope to see from judge jackson when she's sworn in. the supreme court can't survive ideal logical silos that leave no room for life experiences and she'll bring life experience
that have never existed on the court because there's never been a black woman on the court before and may have some for her colleagues, i'm feeling strangely optimistic, exactly what the court needs, on the nation's highest court could be revolutionary. >> thank you so much for spending time with us. up next we're going to talk with sis he'll and michele he'll and michel women's and children trying to flee ukraine among dozen killed, when missiles hit a train station. going to talk to unicef chief the communications and advocacy in ukraine next. >> are people worried about getting on the train now because they saw what happened? >> yes, of course. because could be new explosions
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with russia expected to step up attacks in eastern and southern ukraine, thousands of civilians are attempting to flee to the west, prompting the country to only 10 humanitarian corridors, many evacuating by a train station on friday when it was attacked by russian missiles, these images are disturbed, recorded 52 killed and 100 wounded, many were women and children. they were in the process of delivering life-saving supplies when the attack took place. now joining me chief communications and advocacy, toby, what ways has unicef had to step up relief efforts since
the attack on the train station. >> thank you for having me on. the situation was horrific for women and children primarily at that station trying to flee the east moving west to relatively safer areas and we were close by, we had a team unloading medical and emergency supplies for the local authorities, when the attack happened, after two bangs, they realized something was happening and the local authorities had to respond and move out. it is horrific to think of the women and children trying to get to a safer area. i was a a station where a lot of the people were trying to get to, to a safer area. but the horrific stories continue and tragedy keeps getting worse zbln add we hear there are 10 humanitarian corridors set up to help people get out of harm's way but it's been extraordinary difficult to
get people the help they need given russia's continued targeting of the areas. how are you thinking of those corridors. >> it's been extremely difficult for the passing safely but also to get supplies into those areas. unicef has moved critical equipment around the country into hard-hit areas like chernihiv and sunni other places s areas we haven't been able to access. it's critical that women and children get to some form of safety. i was in the southeast of the country recently and we met people who were just coming out, literally just making a run for it in their cars and obviously they have been through the hoer horrors. children have been through horrific situations trying to
escape through the night. it's critical they get immediate relief and also support for their emotional well-being given the trauma they've been through. >> such immediate need, such long-term needs. you were in lviv where many from eastern to, for relative safety. tell us what you are hearing from those who are fleeing to the west, and what unicef is doing to help people who are now arriving in lviv? >> yeah, the stories are horrific. here, a lot of mothers, extended family members are bringing out their children because they are desperate, of course, to protect their children. and people are leaving their homes behind. i spoke to a lady called victoria, just a couple of days ago at the train station. and she had actually fled they odessa area, and she spent 17 years building her home with her husband, saving up, building home for their children. they had to flee leaving the home, and leaving their mother
behind. so these are the stories that we be all the time. unicef is setting up centers which are integrated, services for children, women arriving to provide information and guidance on where they can go, where they can access services. so existing health conditions, underlying health conditions might come to a new city they need to know where to go -- and that's the kind of information they're trying to get as well as the social support, emotional support that we can provide. in kharkiv, and the north, we managed to get teams down to the metro station to provide some gain, some relief for children down their, despite living through the darkness owe the down of the metro station and sheltering to stay safe. >> toby, one of the reasons i love our viewers is that when something like this happens, their first question is always, what can i do to help? what would you tell them? >> well, the support from individuals from donors, from the private sector, it has been massive. we really extremely grateful
for that. unfortunately, the situation is just getting worse. more and more children are being affected, and that means we need to continue to scale up the response to reach those children. >> toby, thank you so much for being with us. thank you for your time. >> at the top of the hour, another state passed as a texas style near total abortion ban. we're gonna talk with cecile richards about how to keep republicans from punching the country back to the time of abortions. getting closer to the truth, the stop the steal organizers the first high-profile who's gonna cooperate with the justice department's investigation into january 6th. new evidence of a plot to attack congress. and you study highlights the pandemics unequal toll on low income communities. we're gonna speak with reverend william barber. i'll be back. stay with us. stay with us ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ crossed the desert's bare, man. ♪ ♪ i've breathed the mountain air, man. ♪ ♪ of travel i've had my share, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere. ♪
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nbc news data finds that there are over 80 million confirmed covid cases nationwide, with nearly 180,000 new cases in the last week alone. today, we learned that 67 attendees at the gridiron dinner held last weekend in washington, tested positive for covid, among them, attorney general merrick garland, two cabinet secretaries, it's to the vice president and first lady. house speaker nancy pelosi testing positive this week. as political points out, members of congress are not obligated to take covid tests or even share results. so at this point, is not just the reason cases that we know of, because they were voluntarily made public. friday, the white house acknowledges that at this rate, president biden is testing positive is a real possibility, but he is protected. >> the president is vaccinated and double boosted. and so, you know, protected from severe covid. so we take every precaution to ensure that we keep him safe, we keep the vice president safe, the first lady, the second
gentlemen, our staff here. but you know, it is certainly possible that he will test positive for covid. and he is vaccinated. he is boosted. and he is protected from the most severe strains. >> this may sound familiar, covid is again taking center stage on broadway. sorry jessica parker and her husband tested positive, forcing a broadway show process week to cancel its thursday night performance. two other shows also had to cancel recent performances because of the virus. at some point, it all feels familiar and unfamiliar at the same time, because instead pandemic started in 2020, we're seeing still no clear way to predict what will happen next with this virus. and it has already taken so much. the u.s. is close to hitting a truly unbearable milestone, 1 million americans dying from this pandemic! we see a bright side when reality can be so dark. new study from the commonwealth has found covid vaccinations
how are preventing over 2 million deaths in the u.s.. a reminder that while we might not know what the next variant could bring, we do know vaccines work, and still offer the best hope for fighting and unprecedented and unpredictable virus. a new hour of american voices begins right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the night in ukraine, pressing for peace. president zelenskyy, opening the door again to brokering peace to him and he clearly views a secular. as putin's military appears to be gearing up for more attacks, just a day after killing more than 50 civilians at a train station. zelenskyy, today, also welcoming boris johnson to town, giving the uk's prime minister a guided tour in ukraine's capital in the midst of war. ukraine's defense ministry tweeting this is what true friendship between two peoples and nations looks like.
and with more attacks feared, we're gonna talk to a member of the house foreign affairs committee about the u.s. stepping up support for ukraine. also tonight, the gop ramps up efforts to rollback your rights, whether it's access to safe reproductive care, or lgbtq protections. how far might republicans go? the most importantly, how can they be stopped? that's, what is at for the 16 committee after speaking this week with ivanka. request of getting her dad donald j trump himself in the hot seat. we're gonna begin with some news out of texas this saturday. it 26 year old woman out of jail tonight on a half million dollar bail. accused of performing a quote, self induced abortion. the county sheriff office arrested her thursday, and charged her with murder. she pointed out the associated press reports it's unclear if she terminated her own pregnancy, or help someone else get an abortion. the