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we did. you know, we do handle candy now. just things that you can't even imagine changed in ways that seemed very small, but really are monumental. >> that is all for this edition of dateline. i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching. >> it never goes away. there is not a day that goes by that i don't think of him. the pain becomes a part of you. everybody, to my house, now. his entire family, gone. i said what are you talking about, what are you saying? >> and i really hear? it was surreal. >> his fellow cops suspected him.
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i did not do this, i did not do this. >> she was upset. she felt like history was repeating itself. >> he wants to have women and his wife was in his way. >> we are police wrong? >> it's like the twilight zone. lies become truth and the truth becomes lies. >> maybe the real killer was still out there. >> you have lied to the police about this case? >> yes sir. >> so devastating. >> we probably knew that this was the key to solving this. 13 years, 13 years. such an awful crime. the wife. the little boy and girl.
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shot at point blank range. >> i was just dumbfounded, shocked at what i saw. >> how to comprehend? >> what do you talking about? >> what do you saying? >> the husband had an alibi. for ten minutes. >> he could have done anything. he did. >> 13 years, three trials, repeals, reversals and changing stories. the big picture here, charles, is that for a lot of people, it sounds like a crime. >> there is a lot of things about this case that doesn't make sense. >> it has been a long winding pursuit of justice, as one family sees it. >> it gets more and more wild. >> i adopted the saying, that when you enter into the courtroom, lies become truth and the truth becomes lies. >> but there is another side, another family. one which sees a terrible miscarriage of justice. >> i wonder if everybody got
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three trials, how many guilty people would be out walking the streets? >> mommy, i have a present for you. >> but there is one indisputable truth. ken, gilles and bradley where nothing less than innocence lost that evening. >> when do you miss them the most? >> every day, and whoever said that time heals has never lost a child. i can tell you that time doesn't heal anything. the pain becomes a part of you. >> time. turn the clock back to the year 2000, september 28th to be precise. the place? a recreation center in georgetown, southern indiana. a basketball game was underway with usual thursday night guys. >> you guys were just getting
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underway? >> glory days. >> this manager at a waterproofing business was a regular. >> this was religion, right? >> we play a little basketball in indiana. >> that night, after the game wrapped up, david headed straight home. he and his wife came head two children. a quiet seven year old, and jill, a spitfire two years younger. usually they would help him with the kids in the evening. but on this night he was late. and he knew came wouldn't be happy about that. >> they had their homework down before they went to bed, and they thought, she's going to be upset when i get home, because i'm not there to help. >> he click the garage door open, a nightmare awaited. >> the garage door raised up just above my truck. that's when i saw kim. >> she was down on the garage floor? >> yes, actually, the first
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thought it was jill. laying there. i didn't realize it was kim until i ran out of into the garage, out of my truck. and i saw was kim. >> it's too much to absorb, how do you take it in? >> it's indescribable what was going through my mind. i cant put it in to words. >> can we still, bent slightly at the waist, along pool of blood running through her head. the doors to her bronco were open. >> when you look in the vehicle? >> i don't remember how long it was. but after checking on kim, being assured in my mind that she was gone, i just suddenly thought about the kids. where the kids? and my first instinct was to look into the bronco. and i got up on the passenger seat and i could see more into the back, and that's when i saw brett and jill. >> jill, still buckled in, which slumped over. there was blood in her hair. next to her, brad seemed to be
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clad over the seat. >> was it apparent even in your shock that this was a gunshot event? >> i do not know. i did not know how they had died. so you're in over the consul? >> on top of the consul, that's how i grabbed bread. >> -- i thought maybe he would have a chance. >> david had been an indiana state trooper for almost 11 years. that night in the garage, david says, his police training kicked in. >> it seemed to him that his daughter jill was dead. but there was even a whisper of a chance for his son brad, he knew he had to get him out of the bronco and give him cpr. i picked him up, pulled him to me, and turned around and got back in the same way i went in. >> put him down on the garage floor and started working on him? >> exactly. >> were you getting any signs? >> i just remember looking at his face.
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and like with jill, his eyes, there was no moisture. they were half shut. it was pretty obvious. obvious that he was gone. >> and this is all happened in what's, 45 seconds? >> yes, probably, maybe a minute. >> kneeling on the bloody garage floor, amidst the bodies of his family, david knew he had to get help. he called the indiana state police, where he used to work. david cam's 13 year journey into was only minutes old.
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coming up, he was beating on the door saying, nelson nelson, somebody's killed my family, they're all dead, they're all dead. >> your family dead, murdered. how do you even begin to absorb that? >> all these things, spinning around inside my head. it was surreal. am i really hear? it's surreal. >> we went down to the ground, laid on his back, rolling around. and says why, why didn't i have to go? why didn't i stay with them? >> there was more pain, much more still to come, when "dateline" continues.
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after trying unsuccessfully to revive his son, david ran across the street to our relatives. when >> i heard the banging on the door. >> david's uncle nelson was. there >> david was beating on the door and saying nelson, nelson, come quick, someone killed my family. they're all dead! >> nelson dropped everything to brush over to david's garage. >> i was dumbfounded, i was shocked when i saw. >> david yelled at him to check on jill, his daughter in the bronco. and nelson said that he let is very carefully to the vehicle. like david, he was a former state trooper, and you're the crime scenes had to be preserved. >> i looked in the backseat and that's when i saw little jill back there. i reached back and i touched her arm, her arm or shoulder, and i said jill, jill! >> you knew she was. gone >> i knew she was gone. and i said dave, i think they're all gone buddy, they're all gone.
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>> david lost. >> he went down to the ground he was rolling on his back rolling around. why did they have to go? why did they have to? go ahead to stay with him. >> uncle nelson managed to get a bit away from the garage. >> they've was trying his best to go back, and i would let him go back. and >> so you really are the officer securing the scene? >> i knew it had to be done. because it was a horrific crime scene and i wanted to make sure that i didn't do anything to hamper it. >> david says that he was way beyond understanding anything that night. but the questions wouldn't stop. >> just all these things spinning around inside my head. is this real? am i really? here did i really just find camm. it was surreal? ? >> it was the end of everything that david and kim had built together. >> they had met in the late 1980s. they were introduced by law
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marcie mcleod. marcy had been best friends with can since elementary school. >> she was very quiet for the people who didn't know her. very funny, very loyal come, very sweet. >> david and kim married in 1989. they threw a big fun party then got on with their lives. kim incorporate accounting and david as an indiana state trooper, a career that kim had encouraged him to pursue. here he is in a uniform being interviewed in the 1990s about road safety during the holidays. the big had seen tailor made for david camm. he was soon a member of the call a swat team. >> i love those guys, we're talking about guys that you would literally die for. >> but over time, after the kids were, born david wanted to spend more time with his
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family. so in may 2000, he went to work as a manager in his uncle some law kurds business and left the banded brothers. >> you want to talk more of a life, and yet i can see how much you liked -- being in law enforcement. >> i just felt like it was definitely -- i was at a point in my life that i need to make that change and i wanted to make that change. and i presumed that i would remain close with these guys, that they would always be my friends and that they would always have my back, whenever needed. them eded them >> by september 2000, the camms seem to have a picture perfect life. kim was a totally engaged. mother one sam lockhart saw the family all-time. >> great, mom great. mom she bought those kids. everywhere the kids were like my grandkids. >> jill! jill!
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>> little jill. >> tell me about her. >> she was a character. she really was just a funny little girl. if she didn't have your attention, she would get it. she was a very -- i think she would've been very athletic, she was gifted in that way. >> and brad was the swimmer? >> he was great at it. being a father i thought, this kid is good. >> they were gatherings with david sprawling extended family, the lockharts, the descendants of nine brothers and sisters on david's brothers side. the lockharts were so entrenched in this area, that they had a road named after it. lockharts. >> there could've been a better place for us to be when all of this terrible stuff happened. >> the awful news raised through two families that night. david sister julie was getting ready to go to bed when the phone rang.
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>> i said what? what are you talking about? but are you saying? >> julie went straight to her parents house. >> mom had all the pictures of brad and jill that she could gather up and was holding them and just sitting on the floor and rocking and saying, my babies, my babies, they've killed my babies. somebody killed my babies. >> david sent his uncles to tell kim's parents, janice, and frank ran. >> when they rang the doorbell, what can this be? >> well it can't be good. so, when i go out and i opened the door and i see him standing out there and i think, my mind went blank. >> i they asked me to come out, there are so i go out, there and some says we've got some bad news. kim, brad and jill have been shot. i slip down in a sitting position and i cried, i can believe it.
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>> on lockhart road, the sound of sirens followed by flashing lights. a homicide investigation was beginning. and david's friends and former colleagues at the end indiana state police would be on the front line. >> coming up -- >> something strange at the crime scene. kim's shoes placed neatly on top of the bronco. what could that mean? when dateline continues.
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>> a mother, son and daughter, gunned down in the garage of a family home in a quiet indiana county. the two kids never made it out of the back seat of the bronco. who murdered them? the answer to that question would be the responsibility of the investigators. the indiana state police and the floyd county prosecutor, in southern indiana, stan.-- he got the call at ten or 10:30 that night. >> did someone on the phone tell you it's bad? >> it was horrible. >> faith knew immediately that the case would be big. he got to the crime scene immediately. the first thing the prosecutor noticed was the ribbon of blood running out of the garage. i am we stepped in it myself. >> he could see the wife and mother lying by the open passenger door. her pants removed.
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it had the signature of a sex crime, the children killed because they were witnesses. seven year old brad was on his back, a gray sweatshirt lying by him. an article of clothing that would become hugely important in time. >> the boy was laying there, and his hands were out. and of course i didn't see the little girl. they told me that she was still in the truck. >> the state police, indiana's top investigative force, had already begun its work. the crime scene investigated the bronco, took measurements and took pictures. stan faith studied the scene. >> was it too soon for you to take all that stuff in? >> no, the thing that struck me the most was how clean the garage was. you just don't expect that. >> some of the troopers in the garage had been fellow officers of the husband david. >> there were a couple that i didn't recognize, but for the most part, it was people that i knew. >> the trooper who would become the lead investigator was david 's childhood friend. >> they had the talk right there.
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>> dave, you know you have to clear you first. >> he said just do it right. i said it repeatedly. >> he knew the score about spouses, as a former cop. >> they always look at the spouse. >> sure, everyone's a suspect, in the beginning you don't know. >> but in his case, david thought, it was a by the book formality. he was confident his friends would do all they could to find the killer. >> these were your brothers in uniform, these guys. >> right. >> you had ridden with them. >> you had done a lot of tough stuff with them. >> they'd been to my house, we had eaten together, we knew each other's families. >> i'm here at the indiana state police post. >> in this audiotape of his first interview that night, you can hear the interviewers handling him with kid gloves out of respect. >> we're gonna try and find out what happened here so that we can bring the person to justice as best we can. the question or walk david through his day and his wife's.
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as far as david knew, she followed her usual busy routine. working and then shepherding the kids around after school, returning home at about 7:30 pm. once the shooter, waiting for her in the garage, or did her killer follow her in? the investigators asked david if anyone had been stalking her bothering her. >> and they wanted to know if the husband could help them understand an oddity about the crime scene. why would kim's shoes end up neatly placed on top of the roof of the bronco? as the investigators wrapped up, they made sure david got some
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fresh clothing, they were sending his blood speckled sneakers out for testing. the next day the camm's neighbors were absolutely stunned by the crime of this magnitude could happen in their neighborhood. >> it makes no sense, there's never been any trouble out here. >> as the hunt for the killer continued, investigators asked neighbors if they had seen or heard anything suspicious. >> right now this is very, very much an open investigation. >> three days after the murders, david cam face the camera. >> i want my family to be back. i want my babies back. and he begged the killer to come forward. >> turn yourself in. you can't live with the guilt. what you did, to such a was such a irrational, ridiculous,
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satanic thing. you cannot, you cannot live with that guilt. >> an arrest in the case was only hours away. >> coming up -- >> i'm a mess, i'm on medication, and having to buy burial plots, having to buy caskets, i have all this stuff going on. >> a husband and father in mourning. about to face the second biggest surprise of his life. when "dateline" continues. inues. inues. or atopic dermatitis under control? hide my skin? not me. because dupixent targets a root cause of eczema, it helps heal your skin from within, keeping you one step ahead of it. hide my skin? not me. and for kids ages 6 and up that means clearer skin, and noticeably less itch.
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this time the tone of the interview had changed. because now the investigators did have a working theory of the murders. and the evidence they were gathering pointed to none other than david camm as the killer. there one time fellow trooper and law enforcement brother was now quite possibly determine. a monster who murdered his family. they have the timeline, the murders they took place, they believe, between nine and 9:30 that night, after david returned home. the police canvas had turned up a neighbor who heard noises, and shots fired. david saw where this was going and pushed back.
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the investigators account had david camm square in the crosshairs. he came home from basketball and killed his family. they told david about physical evidence they collected. specks of blood, barely visible to the naked eye, on the bottom of the t-shirt he wore. a crime scene expert already told him the husband and father did it.
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blood spat, the case against david camm. but the cops had full confidence in their man. goal the noose was tightening even as david protested.
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and there was more. signs of a cleanup. it had to be david. but and there was something disturbing the medical examiner found when she looked at jill, the young daughter. signs of blunt trauma in the general area. to the cops, that meant one
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thing. he david camm had molested his daughter. and arrest warrant issued out of four superior court. hours after his second interview, the indiana state police arrested david camm again and arrested him in the murder of his wife and two children. it had been three days since the shootings. coming up, accused of murder. and the evidence? a phone call.
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>> this phone call blows up his alibi. >> yes. >> a t-shirt and a parade of women. >> she was upset. and saddened by. she felt like history was repeating itself. because she said we'll talk about it when we get there. >> there's people he pulls over, flirts with and then eventually seduces them. >> he wanted to have women and his wife was in the way. >> yes. >> she was an obstacle to the kind of lifestyle he wanted to pursue. >> that's correct. >> when dateline continues. >>
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>> david camm, once an indiana state trooper was now locked up in the floyd county jail. held for the murder of his wife and children. >> tell me about your emotions. >> every time i heard a key jingle outside my door, i would think, oh, this is it. they figured it out and would say, david we messed up, and let me out. >> but that didn't happen. >> david's uncle, a successful local businessman, quickly became his nephew's best advocate. trying to make his voice heard. >> why did you take on the responsibility? >> i didn't have any other options. >> i know he lost his family, i know he lost his freedom. and what am i going to do?
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he didn't lose me. >> the focus was so concentrated on david. >> did you ever think, maybe i don't have the picture here, maybe something awful happened and david snapped and did indeed kill his family. >> i never did think that david kill's family. >> never? >> never thought he did, it never did. >> kim, spoke with janice and frank when, we're absorbing the awful fact that the police told him. that their son-in-law was the killer. >> janice, they've made an arrest, and it's david. >> i was just out of it. then when it finally did sink in, i was back and forth. >> frank, what about you. we're talking about early days here. >> i wasn't sure. i was just going by with the police were telling. the >> before long, the couple became convinced that their son-in-law had murdered his family. in january 2002, 15 months after the murders, david camm went on trial, he pleaded not guilty. originally the timeline
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changed. he said he returned home for the basketball game around 9:20. >> he backtrack from? that >> he backtracked. >> that's because the defense had shown that the time of death was somewhere between 7:30 and 8 pm. >> everything said that this happened much earlier. >> now the prosecutor argued that david went to the gym around 7:00 and then secretly ducked out of the basketball game, a five-minute drive home, and then return to play ball after killing his family. they had to prove that he was home at the time of the murders. there was a call, time stamp 7:19 pm. >> so you have a husband who says i was playing basketball at seven. you have a phone record that says he was likely making the call, at the landline in his home. >> almost certainly. he would be the one that was doing. it >> and this phone call blows
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up his alibi? >> yes. >> the prosecutor moved on to the crime scene and focused on what happened to came in the garage that night. >> we thought the pants had been pulled down. >> you accuse the husband of the murder. why are you telling the jury that he probably pull the pants down? >> it's part of a staged event. >> kim had not been raped. but the prosecutor argued that her body appeared to have been moved. staged, a cop would know how to do it. >> trying to get the jury was thinking that someone was there to molester. >> the investigators never located the murder weapon. the only evidence the state had that the gun was in his hand that night was this. barely physical droplets on the lower left hand of his t-shirt. how those drops of blood got there was the crux of the case >> blow back. this is what happens when you shoot at close range. >> you get that blood on your shirt. >> correct. >> if you got high velocity >> if you got high velocity
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impacts better on the t-shirt, he has to be within four feet of the child at the time. that the child was killed. >> the prosecution believed that david camm shot from inside the car, targeting jill in the backseat. that's how her blood sprayed on his shirt. but why? why would david camm kill his family? the reasons for those killings, the prosecutor declared, was that david was a philandering husband. >> that was one of the first time that i heard him cry. remember kim's old friend, marcy mcleod? the prosecutor had her testify about an affair david head when kim was pregnant in 1994. she was called in tears to say that she and david were separated. soon after, marcy visited kim. >> she was upset. you know, and saddened by it, especially just having a baby. >> there was more. just three weeks before the
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murders, marcy had another troubling phone call from kim. >> her demeanor was different, her attitude was different, she didn't want to hang up the phone but yet she didn't want to talk. >> the old friends made plans for came in the children to visit marcy. then kim said something she never explained. >> she felt like history was repeating itself. we didn't go into what that meant because we said we'll talk about it when we get there. >> kim never made it. at trial, the clear implication was that david was catting around again. the prosecutor portrayed him as a scoundrel who used his badge to get sex. >> there's people he pulls over, flirts with them, and eventually he seduces them. >> in court the prosecutor called the parade of women, presenting them as david's conquests. more than a dozen of them were recounted the flirting, the six, -- >> he wanted to have women and
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his wife was getting in the way. >> yes. >> he was an obstacle for the kind of lifestyle he wanted to pursue. >> that's correct. >> and if the dalliances with the women weren't enough to suggest motivation to the jury, the prosecutor had something else, a medical examiners testimony that injuries observed on the murdered daughter, five-year-old jill, who are consistent with sexual abuse. >> so not the little girl falling on the monkey. bars >> no, no monkey bars no bicycle, nothing like that. >> so there was the prosecutions accused. child molester, murderer, the killer with blowback blood spatter on his t-shirt. the defense lawyers had their work cut out for them. >> you had a big fight as a defense attorney. >> yes sir, yes sir. and that's not unusual but this one was just so much more high profile. >> coming up. >> that cracking in molding, i believe, it was totally founded on things that weren't factual. and was a complete fiction.
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>> the timeline of the crime. >> that was their smoking gun. >> the defense is about to stop the clock, when dateline continues. that improves age-related blurry near vision. wait, what? it sounded like you just said an eye drop that may help you see up close. i did. it's an innovative way to... so, wait. i don't always have to wear reading glasses? yeah! vuity™ helps you see up close. so, i can see up close with just my eyes? uh-huh. with one drop in each eye, once daily. in focus? yep. [laughs] like, really? really. vuity™ is a prescription eye drop to help you see up close. ow! wait, what? wait. wait? wait, what? see for yourself. use vuity™ with caution in night driving and hazardous activities in poor light. also, if your vision is not clear, do not drive or use machinery. contact your doctor immediately if you have sudden vision loss. most common side-effects are headache and eye redness. ♪ ♪
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underway in floyd county, indiana. it is the winter of 2002. >> nervous? >> david camm, accused of murdering his wife and two young children, always insisted the case was built on quicksand. >> it's about crafting, molding a belief that was totally founded on things that weren't factual. and it was just a complete fiction. >> david's defensive attorney was mike mcdaniel, now deceased. he told us he knew david as a trooper. >> what impressions did you have of david before he became a client? >> i figured he was another
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redneck state cop. who had done a couple of cases, him on one side, me on the other. >> but mcdaniel became convinced of his innocence and came on board to defend him. >> this is one of those terrible cases that a defense lawyer never want, they call him a ravager, they make you crazy, you don't want an innocent client. >> the defense could only flinch and take the body blows to the camera. >> the jury is getting this picture of a hardworking wife, nose to the grindstone, taking care of babies, while he is out with poll dancers. >> yes, on duty. you have 13 women coming in there with varying degrees of sexual conduct contact or innuendo. another trooper's wife, for god sakes. >> not a good set effects. >> not a good set of facts. >> the defense pulled out potentially its strongest
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weapon and put david on the stand to say he knew he messed up. >> i regret all of that stuff. it's so unfortunate the disrespect that i showed my wife. but then god, we don't jump from that to saying that that automatically makes a person a murderer. it's ridiculous. >> then the defense had to confront the ugly allegation that the five-year-old daughter had been molested. >> it's simply stated, though, that the bruises were the result of blood trauma. >> the defense argued that the bruises happened during the attack. still, it was tough going. >> they've got a guy who has a lot of girlfriends, there may be evidence of child molestations, this is a very tough thing to combat, david. >> it is, it's virtually impossible. >> having done its best to hammer the states case for a motive, the defense turn to physical evidence. the state's strongest evidence, the case for david's guilt, was the blood spatter. a defense expert testified that the blood got on the shirt very simply, saying that when he got in the car to move his son,
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some blood got on his daughter's hair. >>. >> the defense testimony was that he was transferred from that contact with the strands of her hair. >> and then the timeline. the defense lawyer challenge the prosecution's theory that david snuck out in the middle of his basketball game, killed his family, and then return to play ball. the defense attorney focused on the phone call made from the cam house when david said he was at the church gym. the state had tethered its timeline to that phone call. >> that was their smoking gun. they had a bunch of those and every time they would have a smoking gun, they would unload it. >> the defense unloaded it by calling a witness from verizon, who testified that the time stamp was on corrupt to the time zone in indiana. >> it was a call that david made to a client before he went
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to play ball. even more important, david had a solid alibi. 11 eye witnesses, the basketball players, to corroborate his story that he'd been throughout the gym at the gym throughout that evening. >> did he leave the court that night? >> no. >> he couldn't have left without you guys seeing? >> he left out if he left at one point, we would have seen him. so throughout the time there's two sets of eyes looking in different directions. as a group, i think someone would have noticed that he was missing. sam locker, the uncle was playing that night too. >> is it possible that dave could have slipped away? >> is it possible that he snuck out, we've gone ten or 15 minutes, killed his family without anyone noticing? absolutely not. that's impossible. but if david wasn't the killer,
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then who was? >> the defense had its answer. it was the person who owns that gray sweatshirt. the one that was lying by brad 's body the night of the murders. defense attorney mike mcdaniel had recognized a sweatshirt as prison issue. >> in the color of this sweatshirt is the word "backbone" and i'm thinking, okay, that's a nickname. >> tests on that sweatshirt reveal dna from various people, including an unknown male. but the prosecutor said there was no match. that male dna was run through the national database. still, it seems to be a breaking point. proving that someone else was in the garage that night. >> we knew that that was probably the key to solving this. we didn't know that person by name, but by god we knew him by dna profile. finally, it was up to the jurors. >> as reporters lingered in the hallway, the jury deliberated for three days. >> guilty, guilty. >> david cam was found guilty of killing his wife and children. >> the jury comes back and
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guilty as charged. >> that's what we wanted and now we feel like jill brad, they can be at peace. >> then an emotional outburst. >> before i knew it, i was standing up and screaming, you are wrong, you're wrong. and a few people had to take me out of the courtroom. >> and you are being walked off in chains. you're not leaving that courthouse. >> right. >> and knowing what lies ahead of me, you know, going to prison, a former police officer. it was absolutely nothing i could do about it. >> david camm was sent to the state penitentiary. but his uncle sam was not finished. >> unless they had killed me, that's how they were going to stop me. they could have killed me. no, it wasn't. over >> maybe not, but david camm was facing 195 years behind bars. >> he was sent to the slammer, that you're going to do time.
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and you are learning how to become incarcerated. >> i had to. i didn't have a choice. i had to figure out how to survive. and i made my mind up early on, that's what i was going to do. >> did you get confronted inside the joint? this is the guy that was a former cop, a trooper? >> not directly, but people would say things or you would hear people talking. and so on. >> did you think, i'm done? >> i was just bewildered at first. but i didn't know that there was a glimmer of hope, that there is this thing called an appeal. >> a successful appeal, another trial. most convictscling futilely to the straw. >> long odds. >> yes, until you read that transcript. >> a new legal team with a different strategy was about to take the case to the state court of appeals. >> coming up. he has a foot fetish and so when they thought, at first, that it was not a sex crime, we
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kept saying, well not everyone targets the same place in a sex crime. >> a break in the case. someone new enters the picture. >> as brainy as ted bundy as brawny as mike tyson. a sociopath. >> who is this guy? when dateline continues. ♪ ♪ i'm the latest hashtag challenge. and everyone on social media is trying me. i'm trending so hard that “hashtag common sense” can't keep up. this is going to get tens and tens of views. ♪ ♪ ( car crashing ) ♪ ♪ but if you don't have the right auto insurance coverage, you could be left to pay for this... yourself. call a local agent or 1-888-allstate for a quote today. medusa lived with a hideous curse. uhh, i mean the whole turning people to stone thing
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found guilty of murdering his wife and children. stacey leana, and the new lawyers handling his appeal were optimistic. >> it was way over the top. >> what was over the top they argued, was allowing all of those women to testify to the sex, groping. >> it was weeks after weeks,
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women after women. how is that relevant to what happened on september 28th? >> >> jurors, this is a bad guy we've got here. he's a lousy husband. >> it was unintentional to. >> guess what, two years after the guilty verdict, the appeals court agreed. the women should've never been permitted to testify. the conviction was overturned, but the victory was short lived. a new prosecutor announced that there would be a second trial. >> after review of the previous evidence and review of the new evidence that has come to light, i have decided to pursue the charges against gave it cam for the murders of kimberly cam, bradley cam and jill cam. and with another trial looming, the defense team was intent on bringing into focus a piece of evidence that they believed would set david free. the gray sweatshirt with unknown male dna. back in 2000, one prosecutor
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said there was no match when the dna was run through a national criminal database. but sam lockhart says that he approached near investigators to run it through again. >> they weren't even wanting to talk to me. wanting to show him the unknown dna, in case this guy had been arrested now and you've got new dna on this data bank, would you run this? >> no, we can't take it. >> at the trial, they asked the prosecutor. we started to say please run the dna through the data bank. >> the state finally ran the dna three months after sam locker started asking about it. >> lo and behold, we find charles bona. >> does this name mean anything to? you >> did not mean a thing. had never heard the name before, was complete shock to me. >> charles bona, a name that would change everything in the case against david camm. prison amos backbone. >> as brainy is ted bundy and his brawny's mike tyson.
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he is a sociopath. >> charles bona, a criminal with a history of violent crimes against women. it began in the 19 80s when he was a student at indiana university. newspapers called him the shoe banned and followed his bizarre crimes. there were four separate incidents. his early mo, he would knock a woman to the ground and make off with one of her shoes. >> really creepy stuff. for one crime, he wore one of those china doll masks. like creepy stuff you cannot make up. >> the police were on to him. after one arrest, he admitted in a fact that he had a thing for ladies legs and feet. he pleaded guilty to those crimes. and at that time, has attacks began more violent. he began threatening women at gunpoint. one incident involved three coeds. >> he had been watching them. and when i just walked into their apartment and held them at gunpoint to their head. took them out, kidnap them to the car, and luckily somebody
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saw him with the gun leading the women out, called police department. >> he pleaded guilty again and was sentenced to 20 years in prison for armed robbery, but was released after serving only seven years. and by july 2000, three months before the camm murders. he was out on parole. and the defense maintain that he still had the old compulsion. >> did he fit the profile? >> yes, he has a foot fetish. so when they thought at first that it was not a sex crime, we kept saying, well not everybody targets the same place and sex crimes. >> kim cam had bruising on her toes. her shoes were on top of the bronco, her pants had been removed. and the sweatshirt with his dna was at the crime scene. and it turns out that dna was in the database three years before the murders. >> it took one hour and one email to find charles bona. that could've been done in 2002,
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had -- and you would think on a case in which children and a mom or murdered, ambushed in a garage, that they would bend over backwards to do it right. >> stan faith was the prosecutor in trial one. >> the defense said that we ask you the state, the prosecutor, to be sent out and tested against dna. >> i asked the lead investigator to do that. he said that we did not get anything. >> in fact he hadn't sent it out at all? >> i think he sent it out. he hadn't sent the property in. >> fay said that he had later learned that the prosecutor sent out the wrong dna sample from the sweatshirt. >> michael daniel, the first defense attorney thought he was a liar. >> i think he never asked anybody to run. >> so when he says that the prosecution is lying to him? >> lying means that you knowingly teller falsehood. i didn't tell a lot.
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are told what thought was true. >> but whatever the truth is, now more than four years later, there was a name to that dna. >> do you allow yourself to think that here we are on our way to case closed finally? >> you've got a name, you've got genetic forensic evidence, this is the shooter. >> absolutely. >> coming up. a new suspect in the hot sea. >> anything else linking you too? >> that would normally worry. i was not there. >> this intense interrogation, where will it lead, when dateline continues. teline continues seriously? one up the power of liquid, one up the toughest stains. any further questions? uh uh! one up the power of liquid with tide pods ultra oxi. i just heard something amazing! one medication is approved to treat and prevent migraines. don't take if allergic to nurtec. the most common side effects were nausea, stomach pain,
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behind bars for more than four years. >> generally, from september through february, they were my darkest times of the year.
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times of the murders. and then you'd have the holidays, the kid's birthdays in february. >> did you feel yourself becoming institutionalized? >> i had to, to a degree. for me, it was a matter of, you know, but sitting back in observing. seeing how things operate so that i could fit in enough to be okay. you know? i had to lock the real meat down inside. >> how were his spirits? where they sinking? >> they were sinking only briefly. we have lows. there be times when i talk to him and he sound really down. but he never state there because he couldn't stay there. staying in that despondency, that hopelessness, is excruciating. >> but now, they're finally seem to be a break in the case. the unknown male dna on the sweat shirt had been identified as charles monet. two days later, they brought
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monet in on how he ended up in the garage floor. >> that sweat shirt is in the middle of the crime scene. somehow that sweatshirt got their. your sweatshirt. you explain to me how it got there. >> i have no idea. >> my name admitted that the sweatshirt had once been his. he said that ever since he dropped it in a salvation army drop off box a couple months later. >> not wash, if it had gone to the salvation army, it would have been a clean sweatshirt. your dna, chances are, probably won't have been on their. but it is. >> i see where you're coming from. >> as for david cam ... >> you know david kim? you ever met david kim? do you remember the murder of david kemp's family? >> on television, yes. >> general david kamloops?
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>> only on television. i don't even know it is addresses. >> the interrogation went on for some 12 hours with monet's sticking to a story. the detectives released him. >> if anything else links you to, you are down. stick a fork in you. >> normally, that would worry me. but i wasn't there. >> then tweak slater after letting him walk, there was something else, something big. >> early yesterday morning, i was notified of some additional scientific evidence that length mr. monet's to the homicide. >> the prosecutor revealed that a print found on the exterior -- was left there by none other than charles monet's. investigators had been aware of the palm print for more than four years. only now did they note it.
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money was hauled back into the interrogation room. the question became more confrontational. >> your palm prints on that bronco. you are there. yeah, this is the time. this is the place. this is your last stage that you're going to have. to tell us what the heck happened there. this is it. >> this can be happening. >> charles! >> after hours of denial, monet changed his story. yes, he did know david can. they met playing basketball. in another round of questioning, the story changed and changed again. finally, money put himself at the crime scene. >> the reason why was there was to bring the count. >> that night? >> monet said david cam asked him to bring untraceable untraceable gun. he was a guy that was kind of the wrong place at the wrong time. >> these events start to unfold, an investigation became
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apparent that this case was intertwined between two people. >> now, the prosecutor had a new theory. david kim did not act alone. he had a coconspirator. the ex cop and the ex conricus charged with the three killings. david was outraged. he believed he should have been set free. after all, charles monet's signature was all over the scene. >> he techs women, defenseless, innocent women. he takes their shoes, their socks. he holds guns to their heads and threatens to shoot them in the head. you know? all of those things from his previous crimes where exactly would happen to kemp. why can't they see the stuff? you know? they just turned a blind eye to the facts. >> the prosecutor had a different set of facts. >> we know that the defense has maintained that this is the killer. that i should dismiss the corrupt charges against david cam. the evidence is not there. >> in january 2006, charles monet and david cam stood trial
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separately into different court houses. well he wasn't accused of being the shooter, money was found guilty of three counts of murder. the deaths of kim, brad, and jill cam. he was sentenced to 225 years. and the prosecution team rejected any notion that monet acted alone. why? those tiny specks of blood on david's shirt were not on monies sweatshirt. >> his shirt does not have high velocity blood spatter. >> the trooper was now going to be a coconspirator with fellow. >> does that make sense? his story is the only thing you have to link him to david can. there's no phone records. there's no one that's ever seen them together. there's no text messages. there's no smoke signals. there's nothing between david cam and charles morning. >> david can second trial, monday was named as other minute scene. also charged with a triple murders. otherwise, the case against cam was pretty much the same. absent female witnesses, the
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peels were thrown out. this time, the state focused on the allegation that david molested his five-year-old daughter as a motive for the murders. >> the motive was ... kimberly was leaving david kim. and she was leaving him pikas of the child molesting. he could not let her leave. he could not let that secret out. that was the secret of the house. >> the defense countered. brought in experts to show there is no solid evidence that the little girl had even been molested. >> the state's theory of why david murdered his family was purely made up. it was just speculation. >> david cam had never been charged with sexual must molestation. that didn't stop the prosecutor from closing his case with a big, dramatic flourish. >> he took his finger and stuck it in deep space and said, you molested your child! >> the jury took four days to reach its verdict. >> guilty on all three counts. we can tell you david cam has been convicted of the murder of his wife and the murder of his
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two kids, brad and jail. >> guilty, again. >> guilty, again. with the same inflammatory evidence. just such a heinous accusation. >> but the saga was far from over. david counts uncle still refused to retreat. >> so, you go to david said we tried. >> i said, we're not done david. if the hang in there. we're not done. >> coming up. they certainly weren't done. prosecutors weren't done either. >> the placement of the sweatshirt led you to believe that david can put it there. >> and charles monet? he was just getting started. >> he wants me to deliver a second handgun. >> it was overwhelming. i tried a lot of cases over the years. a lot of death penalty cases, murder cases. i never tried anything like this. >> when dateline continues. and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling.
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showing a mile column of russian artillery, amassing your kharkiv. this as zelenskyy accuse the russian military of line and cowardly miss over their claims that they did not hit civilians. president biden is scheduled to introduce a new policy on firearms over growing concern over gun violence. making new steps to obtain ghost guns. now back to dateline. w back to dateline >> sam lockhart's mission to clear the name of his nephew david continued unabated after cam and charles bony were both convicted for the murders of david's family. >> now we've got the killer who killed him, brad and jill. we've got that accomplished. now the next shore was still after that. we were after getting dave camm another trial. >> back to the appeals court again? >> right. >> the indiana supreme court
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hurled the appear. attorneys stacey stayed on the case. >> these crimes -- >> they argued that the evidence that david molested his daughter were pure speculation and should not have been allowed in the trial. >> there is absolutely no evidence at all that cam was the perpetrator of that? >> since 2009, the upper court agreed. >> conviction reversed. two words. that's all i needed. >> a second victory for the camp team. the conviction was overturned and the judge ordered a new trial. >> statistically, a successful appeal of a first degree murder charges a long shot. and yet, you got it? >> twice, that doesn't happen. doesn't happen. you know, if you don't believe in something bigger, you need to really evaluate your spirituality. because, man, that was a god thing. >> the third david camm murder
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trial underway. >> in august 2013, more than a dozen years after the murders, david camm faces third jury. a special prosecutor was appointed to represent the state. >> here you are going to start the third trial. how are you appraising your case when it becomes yours? >> it was overwhelming. i've tried a lot of cases, a lot of death penalty cases, murder cases. i've never tried anything like this. and i've never seen anything this complicated. >> with no philandering husband, no molesting father, will remain was the theory of the crime that david left the baseball game, killed his family and then went back to play some more. once again, the prosecutor argued that the scene in the garage was staged to look like a sex crime. >> her pants had been removed. >> removed after she had been killed. what's more, the positioning of kim's body he argued was not what you would expect of a person who had been shot and
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fallen. >> her feet are under the car. about roughly 10 to 12 inches under the car. her legs were at an angle, which seem unusual. >> unusual how? >> they were not straight. they were an angle. you just would not expect them to be that way. >> and the infamous sweat shirt, but when that once belonged to charles bone it was also part of the stages that the prosecutor argued. >> the placement of the sweatshirt was incriminating. i thought that the way was put their lead due to believe that david camm put it there. >> tucked alternately under brad camm's body. almost put there on purpose to frame charles bony. remember, no murder weapon was ever found. the heart of the prosecution's case was still that franklin of blood at the bottom of david's shirt. powerful, incriminating evidence it argued. marking david as the shooter. >> the little girl was seatbelt
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on this side. a bloodstain panel analyst was an expert for the prosecution. in a bronco similar to the one owned by the camm. -- >> it is a likely posture for a shooter? >> would've been leaned in someone like this to get the correct trajectory. i >> noticed your shooting hands out pretty high, is that an awkward shot? >> it is not necessarily awkward, but we have to go with the physical evidence. and the physical evidence is not like this. >> why so few spots? >> that will set it is because most of the blowback hit the inside roof of the vehicle. and like much of the other evidence, the blood spatter testimony was essentially the same as the other two trials. what would be enormously different this time, was the star witness. the jury was going to hear from charles bona himself. a huge risk for the prosecutor.
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>> wonder how good this witness is going to be for you? >> yes. certainly his credibility was going to be in question but. why put him on the stand then? i feel like i don't have a choice. if i didn't put him on the stand, i suspect they would have. but i thought the jury ought to hear it. >> this is the story that monet met in court. met in july of 2000 at a local park playing basketball. >> it was just a pickup game of basketball. and i did not know him or anyone there. i am fresh out of prison. the scene is different. >> after the game he said that cam was bragging, talking smack about how easily he had been bona. at that point, i just said well, you know, i may have lost the game, but at least i have my freedom. saying yeah, i just got out of prison. >> cam said he used to be a state trooper. >> did you know is full name? >> i didn't know until the
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second meeting. >> that meeting was in september, about a week or so before the murders. they ran into each other at a convenience store and got to talking in the parking lot. >> the gist of our conversation was are you employed, are you staying out of travel. then it evolved to, well what kinds of things that you do to get in prison in the first place? he was creating his own form of intel. he was learning quite a few things about charles bona. >> phone i told him that he had been inside for robbery. >> when i slowly started to let him know about some of the things that i handed in the past, he asked me well, are you still able to get untraceable weapons? >> that's what it led to. >> a clean gun. something that can't be traced by law enforcement and ballistics. >> but when i said that he scored a hand on the same day. matt david again in the parking lot and handed over the weapon. he paid bona $250. but one gun was not enough as bony's story goes.
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>> he wants me to deliver yet a second handgun. and so i followed mr. camm back to his house. i can see visibly where he lives. >> as bony tells, it they spoke outside the house for five minutes. but when i asked when he should return with the second gun. i'm asking this man, one-timer, time should i be back here? >> why don't you come back on thursday at approximately 7:00, etc. so i knew time to be back. >> so many here on thursday night in the evening, you'll have more cash in your pocket. >> absolutely. >> was thursday september 28th, the evening of the murders. >> i arrived at mr. camm but's house at approximately 7:00. saying he handed over the guns wrapped in his very sweatshirt. >> where is this happening? >> right outside the garage. we explained pleasantries. my whole purpose was to get the $250 for the second weapon. >> brunei says that after a few minutes, we bronco with the wife and kids arrived and
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pulled into the garage. >> then what happens? >> i hear a little bit of a commotion. it sounds like something is not right. sounds like they are arguing, and then all of the sudden, i hear an immediate pop. and before i heard the pop, i heard her say no. and it was a commanding no. like stop. and then i heard a pop. and then i heard the word daddy. >> two more pops followed. >> did you know that was? it sounded like a handgun. >> what did you think? >> i'm thinking that this is a crime scene. >> so are you saying you gotta get out of here? >> i would've liked to have just left. but as he emerged from the garage and pointed the handgun that me, i was frozen. >> so now you are a target? >> absolutely. so he needs to kill charles bona. >> but the gun jammed. >> at that point, reason says i'm out of here? >> at the bus point is, now i realize your gun does not have projectiles in it, my job is to
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go for you. >> you're going for him? >> absolutely. >> phony tells us that the scene moved into the garage. >> as i go into the garage, i am chasing after mr. camm. i hear him saying you did this. >> i took that is, this is your crime. >> as cam went inside the house, brunei says he saw the victims, the wife down by the car door, he remembers her being fully clothed. then he says that he stumbled. i trip over shoes. i remember touching the shoes. clearly touched something that is now a part of what would be a murder scene. so yeah, i did pick them up, i did try to wipe them off. >> kim's shoes he placed on top of the bronco. then looked inside the vehicle and says he saw the two children. mindful of lingering dna evidence and prince, saying he touch none of the bodies. and says he heard david moving inside the house. >> it clicked in my head, he's going for a weapon. this guy is a former indiana
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state trooper. at which point, he bolted from the scene. >> and i stayed there any longer, there is no doubt he would've killed me and he would have just lied and said to his buddies at the indiana state police, i came home and i found this black guy. after listening to bony testify, the defense was ready to pounce. >> that's his story and it makes absolutely no sense. but it explains and away all of the evidence that he had against them at the time. but brunei did not account for, was the dna that was going to be found. and he has no story for that. >> coming up. >> his story of course was, i ran in, i did this, i never touched anybody. clearly not true. >> new dna evidence. >> he absolutely fought with cam, he touched jill, will charles bona say now? >> did you do that? . you
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camped the defense argued, was this preposterous this time around as it was before. who could possibly by the prosecutions overly complicated theory that david left the basketball game to kill his family? >> there's absolutely no way he could have left that jim. you have to believe that he knew when he was going to get to sit out, he timed it perfectly so that it would be right at the time that he could meet charles monet and maria's family. it is badly fought he would have had to put in place in order for this alibi to have worked. >> synchronize your watch is kind of scenario. >> it is absurd. there is no common sense way he could have pulled it off. >> cam had a solid alibi. 11 men had seen him playing basketball a little after seven until 9:20 that night. there was no one there to support any part of the story
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when he had just told. >> there is not one shred of evidence that puts those two people together. >> richard cam was a new face on the team. >> the reason why it wasn't there because it never happened. >> defenses east of that money was the sole killer in that garage that night, back in 2000, investigators ignored evidence pointing towards him. >> to make that point, -- better homicide detective that trains place and how to conduct murder investigations. >> i don't like cops against cops. i'm very comfortable with it. they said it flaw after flying the cut cam investigations. the most significant, he said, was the handling of the sweatshirt, when a sweat shirt. >> when a homicide detective gets physical evidence, dna, haugen. you love. it it's such a rare event. they thought of it as an artifact. >> which in non legal terms means, we've on, forget about. it >> it would have changed everything. first of all, within two weeks
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tops, they would have had monet. >> faith pointed out other blenders as well. heavy reliance on the blood spattered t-shirt. >> that is the physical evidence against david can. >> of all of the crime scene possibilities, the most misinterpreted's blood spatter. you don't hang the entire case just on the interpretation of blood spatter. you have to have so much more. >> the theory of a staged sex crime, flat out run. >> they never proved out the fact that it could be a voyeur, someone with a fetish, someone who is sexually excited of the view of a woman's likes. >> someone, say, who fit the profile of charles monet. >> big problem. the suspect that they don't know about and won't know for five years has complete personality reflected in that crime scene, up to the point of how kim was found. >> and remember, monee pomfret that was found in the bronco. more evidence the defense said
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that he was the killer. so, here we have a 90 zero for bronco. >> this expert, an engineer that we can stretch crime scenes, showed us how the palm print would have been left by the shooter. >> it really is as simple as reaching into the vehicle like this, to make the shot virgil. and then for bradley, you would lean over a little bit more and fire a shot this way. >> i noticed that you braced yourself. here. this is where crime scene techs found the palm print. >> yes, they did. they found a pump print here in this particular era. it makes sense that if you are leading in this area, you have to stabilize yourself, especially for making a shot. >> now, defense had fresh, scientific evidence that when he put his hands on two of the victims. >> mounties story, of course, was, i ran in. i did this. i don't touch anybody. clearly, not true. >> there is something in the field of dna analysis called, touch dna. lab experts use human cells to make and identifying hit on the suspect.
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touch dna from one's skin cells was found on kim counts sweater, her underwear and on her daughter gilles shirt. >> dna dna, conclusively, proves that he, absolutely, fought with kim. that he touched jill. >> the defense hope that his cross examination of money would be more proof. cam had to steal himself to watch moaning on the stand. >> you're looking at him. >> right. there is no way to actually prepare myself without. it was a situation where i really had to think about what was at stake. doing what was right in that moment and sit there, look at this woman, you killed my family. not react. >> defense said monet's story was absurd. for starters, why would an ex cop ask an ex convict a gun. >> a police officer doesn't think, well, how can i trust this guy.
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he is a criminal. a guy that just got out of prison doesn't smell a rat? he doesn't think, maybe a big set up? it makes absolutely no sense. >> the defense took on mounties story in cross-examination. he had some of the same questions simply spoke to him. >> how many versions did it take to get to the store you just told charles? three, four, five times, maybe? >> yes. i finally realize that the more i keep lying, i'm just digging myself deeper and deeper. i'm not gonna get out of it. when i did finally start telling the truth about things, i didn't feel comfortable revealing too much too soon. i don't want to be part of the case to begin with. so, once again, i resorted to telling a lot of stories. >> big picture here, charles. a lot of people this sounds like a crime. a felon, just out of the slammer, would hook up with the recently retired state police officer and do this gun exchange. it just doesn't seem to make sense. it doesn't pass the snap test. >> there are a lot of things about this case that doesn't
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make sense. >> if i were you, i would have alarms going off inside my head. here you are on probation. how do you know this former cop is really a former cop, that isn't setting up in a sting? >> that did cross my mind, i had concerns about it. there is something about him. if you spend any time with mr. kim, he has a way of putting you at ease. he is a way of making you feel like he is legit, everything is okay. plus, i don't care when or what the gun was for. >> you provided this former trooper with weapons. he was on a special weapons team and the indiana state police. >> he was swat. >> this premeditated crime, he is going to trust a handgun that has come off the street, that he hasn't checked out. he just unwrapped it from the sweatshirt. immediately, used it first business. >> it was. it was the kind. those are questions that i can't possibly answer. why did he want me there at the crime scene? we know why. because he wanted me to take the blame for all of this. >> so, as monet tells it, the
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transaction happens. he delivers the gun. here's the gunfire in the garage. and then, david cam tries to shoot him. >> why didn't you just pull right out of their? >> you pointed weapon at me, even on a prison level, if i comes to me with a shank, i'm going to get that shank from him. and then, it is my turn. it's a simple. i'm just going to put it out there. i can't get any trouble. my intent was to kill david cam that day. if you try kill me, now, i'm going to kill you. before i had a chance to kill him, i stumbled across this beautiful woman, dead, lifeless on the ground. >> that, when i said he stumbled over the woman's shoes. took the time to place them on top of the bronco. >> but then you're down on the floor, the way you tell. it did you trip? >> i did. i tripped over the shoes. >> and then, your emotions are going wild. this gastritis kill you, your tecumseh. you're gonna stop. we have to believe that you said, oh, she is. i have to put these not off of the vehicle. charles? it doesn't make any sense. >> no.
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no. no. here's a thing. i'm wiping the shoes off. i see one little lake, or something hanging out in the passenger side. i go to investigate to see if there's anyone else in the back of the vehicle. when i lean in to look, i put the shoes on top. i don't member doing it. >> he doesn't remember doing it. and he says he doesn't know why. >> i wasn't thinking about why i did that. that was cognizant in really thinking about the dna, possible fingerprints from having tripped and touching those shoes. >> but you know, the palm print is just where you would brace yourself to lean across and shoot. >> that is according to a defense expert, witnesses. you have to understand the prosecutor has that same evidence. they don't see it that way. >> what i'm saying is, if you are so construe tidying up, why would be so clumsy as to leave a big old handprint on the side. >> i leaned into check on the children. but i saw there was horrifying. i'm not worried about that palm print. i didn't realize i left palm print. you think if i left to pump, i went of taking the time to take
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it off? i just want to get out of their. >> did you touch any of the victims, charles? >> no. i did not. >> how does he explain his touch dna on kim and chills close? >> i touch david cam. we shook hands. he handled my sweatshirt. my skin cells are clearly on him. so, anything that he touches can be transferred. >> while the defense couldn't tell the jury about monies past, the foot fetish, they armed robberies, we knew the record and asked him about it. >> when people understand your criminal history, the fetishes, what happens in that garage seems to fit your appetites. this is this guy's history, just played out on a violent scale that he never been there before. >> first of all, my history doesn't consist of killing women. shooting people, period. i've never had anything like that in my past. yes, i've been in position of handguns. yes, when i was 20 years old i did some armed robberies for cash. >> charles, let me put this to directly. were you in the garage tonight
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with the gun, taking control of kim camp? >> no, sir. >> start of the crime, telling them to shut up? should the wife when she comes after? >> richard kim or's theory is totally wrong. never happened. >> in your panic, forget the sweatshirt. forget about trophies of the shoes. maybe you're gonna take later. for the first time, the sex fetish that you have has gotten totally out of control and you massacred a family. did you do that? charles monet, did you kill that family? >> no, sir. that, that is most ridiculous thing ever heard. a guy with a foot fetish kills an entire family just to satisfy his foot fetish? in a place where he has never been before? it never happened. >> but i hope in the jury hears today? >> i've no comment, sir. >> with monet as the wild card, david kemp's third trial came to an end after nine weeks. >> for now, we're waiting for the verdict. >> with the jury believe? the felon duped into crime scene by an ex cop?
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trial out the case. for two families, there was nothing to do put way. kim's parents wanted nothing more than to hear the word guilty again. and the new evidence had not change their minds. >> do you believe that they've killed your daughter in? kids. yes. >> why isn't monet's presence enough to explain everything that happened in the garage?
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>> there's too many other things. >> i don't believe either one of them were telling the truth. >> you've got word that a verdict has been reached. >> the jury took ten hours to reach a verdict. >> i thought it has to be guilty. i wasn't expecting anything but guilty. >> prosecutor was half full or better. >> i thought we had a decent chance. i thought it could go either way. but i thought the trial went really well. >> kim's mom was worried. >> i was scared, for ten hours, i had a really bad feeling from the beginning. that it was going to be not guilty. >> david in a holding cell got ready, shaking violently. >> i literally could not but my sure affix my time in my collar and so on. the deputies had to help me. >> his family, the lockhart, were heartened by relatively
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fast deliberation. >> everybody had this same feeling that this might be good. but none of us had the nerve to utter. because you do not want to say that. because the hurt, the pain when they say guilty is so devastated. >> julie was breathless, waiting for just one tiny word. >> i had been kind of trying to practice in my head. what will it sound like to hear the word not. not. we had always heard guilty. so i kind of just fantasized about hearing that word. >> and that is exactly what she and everybody else in the courtroom heard that day. they were not as in not guilty. once, twice, three times. >> you hear the first one and then you hear the second one and then you are praying to god that you hear the third one. and that is when i lost it. you know, knowing finally. finally, the truth has
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prevailed. justice for kim, brad, jill, for me, my family. and i just fell to pieces. >> not guilty. >> not guilty. 13 times three. 13 years, 13 years of hell. >> everybody around me. dave was balling. i just sat there. and i think i was finally saying that we've got this thing done, finally. >> for the other side, the parents, the grandparents, the verdict was a devastating blow. >> when they said not guilty i thought, kind of my heart out right there. i thought that this things cannot be right. with did these jurors see, that the other jurors in the past did not see? >> he was convicted twice by 24 different people. and these 12 people had seen something that they did not say. >> david can you tell me how you are feeling right now?
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>> outside, the cameras were waiting. >> this is complete vindication after 13 horrific years. >> this is a miracle. my situation is a miracle, that we are here conducting this interview right now. god literally had to move a mountain to make this happen. >> but that mountain would never have moved without dedicated attorneys and uncle sam lockhart. >> there are a lot of people saying that the only reason i'm doing this is because he is my nephew. well that is a big reason, absolutely. but i know he is innocent. he did not do it. and the only thing that i knew to do that was to continue to fight until we reached the solution that was proper. >> finally, the david camm case. one that had dominated the news in southern indiana for years was over. >> your name will be clean again, but there are still going to be people that point you can whisper and say that is the guy that got away with killing his family. >> you know what, i cannot help those people. if they choose to be ignorant,
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that is on them. i have had 13 years of my life taken away from me. and it is their problem if they choose to be ignorant. and it is a choice. >> for those who knew and loved him, brad and jill. there remains a yearning to know what might have been for the wife and mother. for the two young children. >> no telling where they might have been. we've lost all of it, they've lost all of. >> david cam says that he will never get over the pain of what happened in the garage that night. >> the pain becomes a part of you. and you live with it. and it is an element of who i am. you know. and how i live my life. >> on the day of the verdict, as a security precaution, sheriff deputies drove david to a prearranged truck stop and over to his wedding uncle sam. >> that was the moment he was really free, wasn't it? . >> i think it finally hit him.
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and it hit me. that this guy is no longer in shackles. this guy is with me, he is now ready to go and start his life. >> it's me and one man. leaving together, heading home. but
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