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what does he want from prosecutors? >> he says he spends his day focused on two things, the logistics in ukraine using his business to provide supplies and running a network with competitors to focus on an effort to get information to ukrainians. he says he also has a russian language component of that trying to get information to russian citizens. he says what he wants from prosecutors, other than the charges being dropped obviously, is for him to be able to travel back to ukraine right now to help out with the war efforts. time will tell if any of that is granted. >> tom, let me ask you a question i know a lot of our friends watching right now would be curious to know about. it's more general questions about vladimir putin and his oligarchs.
talk about the relationship between them, how they got power, how beholden they are to him. i know some oligarchs are jailed, some are killed, some are critical of vladimir putin. you would think the power works this way. he gives his oligarchs billions of dollars, they are loyal back to him and there is this mutual support. but that doesn't seem to be the case right now. he seems separated from most of his oligarchs. can you talk about this relationship and this power arrangement? >> great question. it's not linear. it's a relationship that based on my reporting, u.s. law enforcement officials, foreign intelligence officials has changed over time. the reason why it comes up with oligarch is essentially they were given state businesses for pennies on the dollar to be able to make billions and all of the
commodities and other these years they have amassed tremendous amounts of wealth, including in the military industrial complex. i think we'll hear more about the oligarchs in that field not as well known to us. i think over time the relationship there has been a relationship of, look, you guys stay out of politics. don't put your money behind navalny or opposition and i'm not going to get in your way of making that money and getting in the way of using the state to help achieve your efforts. the big question is, how much of that money got its way back to vladimir putin and has that helped solidify his power and his personal wealth? it's just something that more reporting and information will need to come out to better understand that relationship. >> tom winter, thank you so much for that incredible reporting. with that exclusive, we roll
into the fourth hour of "morning joe." members of the u.s. embassy are back in ukraine for the first time in two months. they tweeted out these pictures from lviv. it's the first step ahead of more regular travel as they prepare to open the embassy in kyiv in the coming weeks, which is a really big symbolic move. and news that just broke on our air last hour, the white house says u.s. marine corps veteran trevor reed has been released from a russian prison and is on his way back to the united states. u.s. and russian officials say that reed's release was part of a prisoner swap in exchange for a convicted drug trafficker serving time in connecticut. in a statement, president biden said, quote, the negotiations that allowed us to bring trevor home required difficult
decisions that i do not take lightly. reed's parents, who medical with biden in march, said the president's actions likely saved their son's life. so incredible this type of thing happened, joe, in the middle of a hot war with ukraine. >> yeah. it really is. i will say any time the united states and russian officials are talking, that is good news, obviously great news for this marine. also just good news in general. of course you have a wnba star still in prison there. let's hope we get some movement on that. let's bring in the spokesman for the u.s. state department ed price. let me ask you a quick question. we have the "new york times" talking about how the united states and the "wall street journal" you have russia says
nato is fighting proxy war with rising risks. we're hearing once again the talk of nuclear escalation by lavrov. should we be concerned? or is this just more saber rattling by the russians? >> we've heard a lot of bluster coming from the kremlin. i think in this case it has to be the height of irony to hear the russians claim that anyone else is responsible for escalation in a war they started, in a war they are waging, in a war in which they are brutalizing the people of ukraine. we've heard similar statements from the russians for some time now for one reason. it is a means to distract from the fact that their war effort in ukraine is failing. it's a means to distract from the fact they've lost the battle of kyiv, their economy is in
shambles, president putin is a pariah on the world stage, russia is diplomatically isolated like never before. every time we hear statements from the kremlin, we pay attention. we do our own analysis. we watch very closely. ultimately what matters most to us is what the russians do, not what they say. so we're watching very closely. if there is a need to undertake any different contingency planning, we're prepared to do that. >> are we further away from a negotiated settlement than ever? >> we've never been close to one, unfortunately. our ukrainian partners are committed to finding a resolution to this through diplomacy and dialogue. other partners around the world, turkish allies, french allies, israeli partners and others, but
unfortunately we haven't seen that same commitment from russia. the pretense of the fact that they want the world to think they're engaged diplomatically, engaged in good faith conversations. we haven't seen that yet. unfortunately, we're nowhere near an outcome. >> there's been some criticism of the u.n. secretary general's visit to moscow yesterday and questions about why he didn't go to the ukraine first and then go to vladimir putin and push him harder on things like bucha. the u.s. is an important player at the united nations. you're on the u.n. security council. have you been disappointed by the role the united nations has played so far in this conflict? >> we're supportive of every diplomatic effort that is done in full coordination with our ukrainian partners. ultimately this is going to be
to be diplomacy for which our ukrainian partners are in the driver's seat. no one else can make the calls that president zelenskyy is going to have to make. secretary blinken had a conversation with the u.n. secretary general on friday and conveyed our expectation, the world's expectation that the message the secretary general would deliver to president putin was the same one putin has been hearing from the united states, from nato and the vast majority of the world's countries. it's a message that this aggression must come to an end, that this war is unprovoked, unnecessary and is i contrary to russia's interests as well. i understand that the secretary general is going to go to kyiv. there will be consultations there. we, again, are open and supportive of any diplomatic effort that is done in full
consultation with kyiv. >> there's pretty significant escalation in the last few hours as russia announced it's going to be cutting offer supplies of fuel, of oil, gas to poland and bulgaria, two european nations part of the coalition there. can i get your reaction to that? also, how important is it that europe wean itself off of russian fuel? >> in many ways, this isn't a surprise, because russia has done this before. they've weaponized energy over the course of years. there's probably no better case than the case of ukraine. we've prepared for it in the short-term and we're preparing for it in the longer term. in the short-term, we're surging supplies of oil and lng to our european allies and partners. we've undertaken a release from our own reserves to ensure that
there is adequate energy supplies to stabilize markets and provide our european allies and others with what they need. that's in the short-term. in the short-term, of course we are emerging from a very cold winter. we're now in the spring. temperatures are changing. that's a good thing when it comes to europe's ability to weather this. we're also preparing for the longer term. we are working with our european allies and partners as well as others to transition away from russian sources of energy. ultimately to transition away from fossil fuels entirely and continue this transition to renewables, to sources of energy that will see to it that neither the united states nor any country around the world is held hostage to a country like russia, who can close the spigot whenever they choose. >> i'm just curious, russia has brought up nukes again. what's the united states
response? >> loose talk of nuclear exchange, that's the height of irresponsibility. it contravenes the conversation when the russians confirmed that the nuclear war must never be fought and can never be won. that's something that we profoundly believe in. it's something the international community profoundly believes in. we are going to take a close look at what the russians actually do. we are constantly assessing their nuclear posture. we've determined there's no need for us to change our own nuclear posture, but we're going to continue to watch closely. >> what can you tell us about the prisoner swap? >> this is the commitment of the administration to bring home americans unjustly held around
the world. trevor reed has been held in russia for nearly two years and is on his way home. our ambassador was able to meet him. trevor is in good spirited and relieved to be heading home to his parents. this developed over the course of months. i mentioned before roger karstens, he has a long title but there's one keyword. he's a special presidential envoy for hostage affairs. when his team engages with other countries, they are doing so with one goal in mind and that is the safe return of americans held hostage or unjustly or wrongfully detained around the world. this was not part of a broader discussion with the russian federation. we didn't seek that. we aren't seeking that. it was about one thing only, the safe release of trevor. that's something we were able to accomplish today at long last.
>> u.s. state department spokesman ned price, thank you very much for joining us this morning. up next, more on the major escalation russia took last night in its economic battle between the west and why vladimir putin could hurt his own country even more by that move. we'll also speak with a former u.s. army brigadier general about the latest on the battlefield. e battlefield. and vice president kamala harris testing positive for covid. we'll have reaction from inside the white house. covid. we'll have reaction from inside the white house.
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. live look at san diego this morning. very pretty. time to wake up there. you just heard state department spokesman ned price tell us the u.s. will help its european partners after russia cut off natural gas supplies to poland and bulgaria, a major escalation in the economic war between the kremlin and the west. the eu accused russia of blackmail and the international energy agency said moscow is trying to weaponize energy supplies. the polish and bulgarian prime ministers were defiant, insisting they wouldn't give in to russian pressure. the energy giant gasprom tried to justify the move saying poland and bulgaria had refused to pay in russian rubles as demanded by vladimir putin. european gas priced jumped 20%
and the euro plunged to its lowest level against the dollar in five years. many see that move as a response to what's happening in germany right now. the first meeting of the ukraine contact group has wrapped up in germany, but defense secretary lloyd austin says similar high level meetings will keep happening once a month. 40 countries at this meeting. secretary austin said the group consists of defense and military leaders from those nations to coordinate military aid for ukraine. the ukrainian government praised the group. during that meeting germany announced a shift when it comes to providing heavy weaponry for the war effort. after previously refusing to do so, its defense minister said germany will send up to 50 armored anti-aircraft vehicles to ukraine and said more weapons shipments are under discussion. this is video of those vehicles
released by the german military. all of this comes less than a week after german chancellor olaf scholz said sending heavy weapons would lead to world war iii. joining us now, peter swak. he served in moscow from 2012-2014 as attache to the russian federation. a lot of major players circling around this situation in russia, including the u.s., are ratcheting up the rhetoric andle backing it up with supplies. >> which is what the ukrainians have been asking for for a while. now they're getting that heavy weaponry as we enter a different phase of this war. as we're into this assault from
the east and from the south, one of the criticisms that i have heard from military experts about the initial strategy of the russians into ukraine was that they sent in too many generals, they didn't have good communications, they attacked from too many different places. how much do you think the russians have learned? how much better are their tactics and communications and control this time around? >> the russians have certainly learned and they will be better, but the battlefield geometry is still very daunting for them. where you had five pushes starting with coming down from belarus towards kyiv, which was a fiasco, and then a push toward kharkiv and sort of a slow back and forth in donbas, then up from the south towards mariupol and then out of crimea towards
kherson. those are a lot of axis to push when you have plus or minus 200,000 troops. i think they were overly ambitious. i think it showed disdain and hubris on the russian side in underestimating ukrainians. the current situation they've learned, they've put a commander in chief in the front where they had four military district commanders all feeding in forces. they have learned a lot, but you can't completely reinvent yourself in three weeks. >> in the middle of a hot war. >> in the middle of a hot war when you have very deep cultural problems here. general, i want to draw your attention to a quote i'm sure you heard about. it's from lavrov, the foreign minister. on monday lavrov resurrected the specter of nuclear war as mr. putin has done before. you know russia as well as anyone, spent a great deal of
time there. how should we contextualize these ongoing comments about num nuclear war from the russians? >> first, i believe it is russians saying, you know, they're pushing back. don't forget we've got nukes. saying that, i believe it is also showing a sign of insecurity and weakness that you need to play that nuclear card and they play it periodically. the fact that it's going on right now in the middle of a hot war in ukraine -- and remember they just test launched their new icbm just ten days ago. it's dangerous. the rhetoric is dangerous. but there's an aspect of things aren't going well, so they're upping the rhetoric and the threats. >> general, let me also talk about the lead story in the "new york times." it says in a critical shift,
germany offers armor. as mika just read, that is even a change. it seems the germans have been kicked around by just about everybody over the past several months. zelenskyy gave a blistering address to their legislature. other commentators have criticized them for not doing enough. i'm just curious, with your historical perspective, do you think that's fair considering, first of all, their history, especially on this holocaust remembrance day, they have been held back by doing anything by their history and also, of course, economic ties with russia. you look at the pledges they've made on their military budgets and what they've done with this heavy armament. it seems like germany is moving as fast as they can move politically. what do you say? >> i agree. germany, as you suggest, has been fighting for its soul since
1945. they were at the heart of the new nato back in 1949. and now in the post war, it would make sense that they were trying to build bridges as we all actually tried to with the new russian federation, with the fall of the wall. i think germany now is also struggling in how it's placed in the world. it is powerful, yet it is also fuelled in part by the russians. the russians are, in my mind, unbelievably tone deaf. they finished the discussion in europe about russian oil by embargoing bulgaria. that was tone deaf, because now the rest of europe is going to have to go that way. germany today is more and more all in. i think they starkly realize
there is an emergent threat. they provide viable low level anti-air support to the ukrainians, especially fixed along the donbas at a critical time. >> in mariupol, the air assault against the steel plant is nonstop as russian forces try to dislodge the last remaining ukrainian forces still inside. this morning, british defense official said russia is probably using freefalling bombs as opposed to precision guided weapons. locals say close to 2,000 civilians are inside that plant. the post says the people inside include, quote, women, children and the elderly, many wounded in
unsanitary conditions, in terrible conditions. really scary photos but the world needs to know what's going on. >> general, here's another example of just a terrible miscalculation by vladimir putin, not allowing the evacuation of these people, of these soldiers. if any rational human being needed to take over mariupol so they would have a land bridge from russia all the way to crimea, you wouldn't keep 2,000 fighters in extraordinarily positive strategic location, you wouldn't keep them there. you'd say get the hell out. yes, we will escort you out of there. yet putin can't stop cutting off his nose to spite his face. if you were in putin's position,
wouldn't you want to get people out of that factory so you could consolidate mariupol and your land bridge you've been fighting for for six weeks? >> what putin has done has turned, if you will, for the ukrainians something epic in this stalingrad type defense. the fact that they're there still like a bone sideways in the russian throat, they have to move around it to come down from russia to the southern parts of the black sea. it's holding up 12 to 15 battalion tactical groups that are pinned down. it pulls away from the fight in donbas or kherson. it is epic for the ukrainians. i think the russians
increasingly want it bad because they've got 9 may victory day coming. >> the pentagon says it's keeping a close eye on the situation in moldova as explosions rock the break away region of trans nits ya. that republican has see multiple attacks in recent days, raising fears it could drag moldova into the war. the government is saying it's a planned provocation by russian official forces. perhaps it's a strategic distraction to go into moldova, what are your thoughts? >> i believe there is an aspirational aspect of transnistria, moldova where it
was part of the old soviet union, part of the old russian empire. in the aspirational side, the russians talked about trying to get there. but the mileage, it's 260 miles from crimea to the capital of transnistria. that's double or more the distance it took from the belarusian border to kyiv and the russians are already quite spread out. they may want to create a diversion and distract, but the russians, while powerful, they're not that big. they' got a lot of things going on between donbas, kharkiv, mariupol, now the south. >> oh my gosh. your latest book.
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35 past the hour. a live look at san francisco this morning. in a moment we'll bring you the morning papers from across the country, including one from wyoming on why students there scored better on standardized tests than some other states during the pandemic. first, the markets just opened with the dow going back up after stocks took a beating yesterday. but investors are still on edge after morgan stanley sounded the alarm, predicting a sharp drop in the s&p in the near future, while deutsche bank revised its forecast to predict a major recession on the way.
joining us from the "new york times" andrew ross sorkin. i'll start with deutsche bank. what do you think made them change their prediction? >> well, i think there's two things at the same time. one is there's pressure on earnings of companies and that is coming because of the federal reserve and the expectation that the fed is going to continue to raise interest rates. we're going to see that next week when they meet the 3rd and the 4th of may. microsoft were strong, but then you look through alphabet, parent company of google. they were weaker on the advertising front given some of what's happening in europe when it comes to youtube and companies advertising or in this case not advertising. but it really goes to the idea of a global economic recession.
we'll be hearing later today from meta and later this week apple and amazon. a lot of these fang stocks, you look at from a 52-week basis, many are down between 15 and in netflix's case 71%. i think there's a question. is this the end or is this the beginning of the end in which we have deutsche and other banks saying it could potentially get worse. there's no real catalyst, it doesn't seem, that would power things higher at this moment. this could be short term. it may not happen for years or be a financial crisis like 2008, just contextually.
>> it could just be short term or it could be the end of the world as we know it. all right. that certainly gives us a range of possibilities, andrew. facebook, of course, lost 25% of their value a month or two ago. i'm just curious. it seems more and more institutions are lining up with the belief that we're going to get hit with a recession, our first non-pandemic recession since 2008. how bad do they think it's going to be? >> it depends who you're listening to. some people believe that -- you were talking about some of these stocks down 25-30%. there's a question mark about whether the entire market unto itself falls off another 10 or 20%. i don't think people are calling for more than that. again, the question is, is that going to be long term or short term. also, the more the market goes
down, the more it may act as a deinflationary metric where the fed says, well, we were going to raise interest rates even more, maybe we don't have to as much. so there is this push/pull situation going on back and forth. >> obviously, the money that people have made off of the markets, just the billions and billions of dollars -- >> it's the wealth effect. >> the wealth effect and so many of them are spending that money finding it difficult to spend all the money they're making in the market. you have the supply chain issue. it is all backing this economy up. you're right. if the market goes down a bit, you may see a loosening up of the housing market, a loosening up of other markets as well, right? >> look, that's the goal. it's funny to say that's the
goal. but in many ways, what the federal reserve wants is to actually dampen demand. that's what they want. they want people to buy less stuff because of the supply chain problems that we're having. it's a unique situation. the supply chain problem being the actual merchandise itself and labor. in a way, you want less people going to the workforce. i know it sounds perverse, but that's the goal because wages are shooting up as well. that's a good thing in many ways but when it comes to economic growth, oddly enough a bad thing. these are the push/pulls of what's happening right now. >> thank you very much. up next, we'll take a look at the front pages from across the country, including an alarming look at the number of college students experiencing homelessness in the past year. as we go to break, one headline from overseas, some good news
for tennis star novack djokovic. the all england club announcing players who are not vaccinated will be able to play at wimbledon, which kicks off at the end of june. you may remember back in january djokovic was barred from playing at the australia open because he was unvaccinated. the 20-time grand slam champion saying at the time that he'd rather miss major tournaments than get the vaccine. jonathan, your thoughts? >> it's another sign of the world trying to open up and put the pandemic behind us. djokovic, of course, unable to play in australia because of that. you know who can't play in wimbledon? dmitri medvedev because he's russian and he's banned from the country. he beat djokovic last year. what do you make of this? give us an update on the status
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nets. brooklyn, you've made a very persuasive argument that brooklyn got bounced out by the celtics in large part because a very famous anti-vaxxer on their squad. >>ing unvaccinated players making the selfish decision to not be vaccinated and hurting their team. red sox tanner hawk not vaccinated, therefore not allowed to travel with the team to toronto, because the rules are in canada you need to be vaccinated. because of that they've had to move garrett whitlock into the starting rotation, which has weakened the bullpen. two games in this road trip the red sox have lost because whitlock not available to pitch at the end of the games because he had to start because his unvaccinated teammate couldn't make the trip. in the playoffs now, kyrie irving famously never vaccinated, he was not allowed to play most of the season until
new york state changed its rules down the stretch. during that time he was absent, two important things happened. kevin durant had to log far more minutes than he normally would. he suffered an injury, was never quite the same upon return. and james harden took a look at this situation and says i don't want to be here anymore and forced a trade. and ben simmons never played a minute for them. the nets went from title contenders to being swept out of the playoffs by the celtics. these unvaccinated players hurting themselves and their teams. >> seriously, if you're not going to get vaxed, just get traded. i'm serious. i don't understand why any coach would deal with somebody that selfish that they're hurting their other teammates and hurting the franchise and basically shortchanging the fans. mika, let's go now to the
morning papers. >> all right. we'll go first to the wyoming with the casper star tribune reporting students in the state scored better on standardized tests than their peers in other states during the pandemic. a new study of 11 states suggests one reason could be that wyoming students received more in-person schooling than their counterparts. the headline of the star tribune reveals that 6 in 10 minnesota residents have had covid. those numbers mirror nationwide statistics that show that more than half of americans and 75% of children already have had a bout with the virus by late february. to texas where the houston chronicle is highlighting the battle over the border. the u.s. supreme court heard arguments tuesday on the state's legal challenge to keep in place the controversial trump era remain in mexico policy. that program forces asylum seekers to wait outside the u.s.
for their immigration hearings. in california, the ventura county star reports on the growing problem of homelessness among college students. a new study found 14% of students at two-year and four-year colleges experienced homelessness in the last year. rd homelessness in the last year. reynolds is expected to sign it into law. and the chicago tribune, a front page story about president biden's pardon, the first black secret service agent on a detail. he attempted to sell a copy of
his file, but always maintained his innocence. a key witness admitted to lying. he said he was targeted for speaking out against rasht and unprofessional behavior by the secret service. >> 1,400 guests will gather at washington's national cathederal to honor the life and legacy of madeline albright. we will look ahead to the speech, and bring you there live. the nation pauses to remember a woman that spoke powerfully in defense of peace and democracy. >> it took me a long time to develop a public voice. now they have it, i am not going to be quiet. i have something to say, and i have my to do list. i hope others will join me.
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>> as we said before, madeleine albright's funeral. >> so, a couple of questions here, president biden is set to give the eulogy at madeleine albright's funeral. anything about covid concerns? we saw what happened at the grid iron dinner. concerns raised about the correspondent's dinner. everybody is wearing masks at this event as well, because of the danger. any concerns about the president
speaking in such a large area, in front of so many people? >> first, on covid, the family asked folks to wear masks during the memorial service. ta is one. the white house has basically said, as president biden continued his own event that is he has been doing publicly. he is supposed to be speaking at the white house dinner, doing his eulogy, possibly, without a mask, hard to speak into one as well. the administration said they will continue that. showing the country that we have what we need to make things okay for biden and safe for him. and it is something that he may get covid. that is kind of a shift in how the administration has been talking about covid.
madeleine albright, president biden will bring up past interactions with her. the type of diplomacy she represented at a time, where you have what is going on with the ukraine, and invague from russia. i will say one of the things that is interesting, these are the moments, where biden shines the best. when he is able to show empathy. a packed program. president clinton will speak, al gore, the obamas, nancy pelosy, mitch mcconnell. it will be a who's who. >> it will be a remarkable time for a remarkable woman. eugene daniels, thank you, from
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