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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. it is day 63 of russia's war in ukraine. today russian president vladimir putin is threatening
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retaliation. in a speech to legislators, he vowed counterstrikes on any nation that threatens russia. thee did not specify what those counterstrikes would be nor what might constitute a threat. but in poland and bulgaria, russia has shut off their pipelines for national gas. both countries failed to pay for deliveries in rubles as required. the west is interpreting it as retaliation for western support of ukraine defenses. >> bulgaria will get help from greece as it looks for long-term alternatives. german leaders predicting their country could be next, assured germans they could survive a cut-off at least through this coming winter. in eastern ukraine, russia is
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making measured ground advancements. they amass troops and weaponry to push a new front line in the donbas. this is a major departure from russia's initial invasion back in february when swift advances of tanks and convoys were thwarted by ukrainian defenses. and in mariupol, the city council said they have found a third mass grave. official there is accused russian soldiers of forcing civilians to dig those graves in exchange for desperately needed food and water. joining me is nbc news foreign correspondent kelly -- i've got a tickle in my throat, everyone. i apologize. kelly, you're in dnipro. i want to know what it's like on
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the ground there as russia advances east. >> here in dnipro, it's relatively calm. we hear alert sirens regularly here. that's sort of a fixture of being in this part of the country, so close to the east where fighting is continuing. what's really changed here in dnipro over the past several weeks is the number of people coming here for safety and where they're coming from. at the beginning of the war they were coming from kyiv. now they're sheltering hundreds and hundreds of ukrainians fleeing the fighting in donbas, fleeing every day. they arrive here every day. and also fleeing places like mariupol, the few people who actually can get out. and today we visited a shelter here and we spoke to a woman from mariupol. she imagined to escape with her 18-year-old son and her 8-year-old son. she told us that her husband is still in that city. she said he's part of that group of soldiers, the last pocket of
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resistance fighting at that steel plant. but she said she also has relatives in mariupol who haven't yet left. some of them just haven't been able to get out. they described just terrible conditions, which we've heard before, lack of running water, no heat, no electricity, no phone signal in many cases and they're cooking on open fires. they have no other way of cooking. it's obviously extremely dangerous. in order to get out, you have to not only avoid the shelling but also manage to navigate a series of russian checkpoints before you get to ukrainian-held territory. and she said when she escaped it took her 12 hours for her and her sons just to get through those russian check points. and finally, katie, we asked her about her husband and how he was doing and whether she hears from
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him. she said he tries to get a signal once a day and send her a text message. i asked her what was the last message you got from him? she said he sent me a message saying we want to live, we hope people haven't forgotten about us. >> there's a lot happening in terms of diplomacy today, kristen. on the one hand the biden administration was able to secure the release of trevor reed. i'd like to hear more about that. on the other, you have vladimir putin making these threats saying there will be retaliation. i wonder what the white house thinks vladimir putin is talking about. >> reporter: well, the white house has been very clear. they think that vladimir putin is unpredictable and so that is why you're seeing this robust response from the biden administration and this attempt really to rally and energize allies against the russian invasion in ukraine. because they are quite clear about the fact that they do not
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know exactly what he is capable of. they are intensifying concerns that he may be backed into a corner because his initial military offensive was unsuccessful. to the diplomacy, the administration said today that trevor reed was released from being held in detention in russia. it was the result of months of work across the u.s. government and came over growing concerns of reed's health, which accelerated the process. reed on his way home. we're not given too many details. his family saying in a statement, quote, today our prayers have been answered and trevor is safely on his way back to the united states. now, as for the decision to trade reed for a convicted russian drug trafficker named constantine yarshenko, they say
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his sentence was commuted and does not undermine his guilt. it's important to note there are two other americans currently being held in russia, paul whelan, a former u.s. marine detained back in 2018 on espionage charges. he has vehemently denied those charges. and britney greiner has been detained in russia, arrested back in february on allegations of drug smuggling. u.s. officials say they will not stop working until they are released, too, katy. >> is there any talk about exchanges others for greiner and for whelan? >> those are among the conversations they are having, and it's significant that there was this breakthrough with trevor reed. it's given the administration some measured optimism they may
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be able to get the others out but hurdles remain. >> igor, i want to talk to you about what people in ukraine are experiencing right now. you've got friend and family all over the country. what are they telling you? >> nice to see you. i do apologize the way i look. travel has become different. we can't just hop on a play now, we have to drive a lot commuting back and forth. to me the most important person in my family is my cousin, a soldier in eastern ukraine. he was wounded two weeks ago but is expected to be back on the front lines by sunday. he told me this story and shared some pictures only today. they went for a walk in i think he's in sloviansk and two missiles landed like literally a few hundred meters away from them. so he got a scratch as well.
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he sent me pictures of the resulting hole in the ground. and, you know, it's very dangerous. and, you know, this war is far from over. i've spoken to friends from the presidential office and they said like a lot of interviewers are asking now since you won, what's next? we haven't won this war. the worst unfortunately is yet to come. and people should not forget about ukraine. everyone should stay united in support of ukraine so we can win this war. >> we're also hearing about russian forces using referendums. how can they hold a referendum in a city that doesn't want them there? >> they do worse than that. they try to conscript men to get
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them to fight against the regular ukrainian army. imagine just living in the village, you're a ukrainian and you have to fight your brothers or they kill you. it's really horrible. but i think at the moment putin is making things up as he goes along. the initial plan was taking kyiv and destroying ukraine's sovereignty. since he failed to achieve that, he's trying to score a victory. a very important date to work for is the 9th of may. in russia it's celebrating the end of the second world war. putin is desperate to get a victory by that date. i think we're going to see he's going to grow more dangerous. >> what is your understanding of what is happening in moldova right now? >> well, putin is a huge fan of restoring the ussr. he said that, you know, the fall
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of the soviet union was the worst tragedy for the russian people in the last hundred years. so he's dreaming of having the ussr back and moldova is definitely on his list. it's a country that has a city similar to donbas and moldova is a very tempting target for him because the country is small, it doesn't have an active military force that can defend it. so, you know, worse comes to worst for putin, he can try and take moldova instead of claiming any victories in ukraine by the 9th of may. i'd watch that space as well. but every territory that used to be part of the ussr is in danger in some shape or form. >> the eastern region, the donbas, we're seeing russia
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amass troops there, it's a much different fighting area than in the cities, open fields. what is your understands of how ukrainian solders soldiers are able to fight in that region with the aerial assaults they are waging and if ukrainians are not able to hold that region, what would that mean? >> well, i would define holding here first. i mean, we can lose territory and regain territory. that's the reason why president zelenskyy is asking the world to send us offensive weapons so we can regain territory temporarily. in terms of fighting, it's completely different. it's open fields and russia can use its air power and artillery to its advantage so we are heavily reliant on the military help that we're getting to hold
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the ground. but, you know, worst comes to worse, if we lose territory, we'll have to regain it. >> igor, thank you very much for joining us. and for the record, i think of you look perfectly respectable, my friend. >> thank you. >> and still ahead, more secret audio is released of kevin mccarthy. what was said this time that has matt gates not very happy. and if you are a parent of a child under 5, you're going to want to hear this. why the fda says it has been unable to clear a covid vaccine for young children. and when that might change. and after releasing a report that detailed its university's ties to slavery, harvard is on a mission to right its wrongs. a mission to right its wrongs.
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. new audio today from "the new york times" reporters behind
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the book "this will not pass." in it kevin mccarthy is heard worrying about what his own caucus members were doing to incite violence against other lawmakers, specifically citing matt gates in private conversations with party leaders. tension is too high. the country is too crazy. i do not want to look back and think we caused something or we missed something and someone got hurt. i don't want to play politics with any of that. i just got something sent now about newsmax and matt gaetz said where he's calling people names out saying an anti-trump atmosphere. this has to stop. >> leader mccarthy held a
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conference meeting with house republicans, but contrary to what you might respect, reports from inside the caucus meeting reports say mccarthy received a standing ovation. joining me is jake sherman. jake, he didn't receive a standing ovation because he was calling out the problems of the insurrection and the incitement of violence. he received a standing ovation because? >> because he said, katy, these were conversations where he was laying out different scenarios for his leadership team to consider. i would say this, katy, the reports at this moment, we only live in a political moment, only live here on april 27th. at this moment he seems like he's fine. gates was always a mccarthy skeptic and he's the only one that really criticized mccarthy
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and scalise. marjory greene did it in much more muted tones and she thanked her lawyers for helping her get back on twitter. i want to say one more thing just for context. these meetings are very highly orchestrated. they're very -- they're controlled by the leadership. members got up and gave $1.8 million in donations to house republicans. it was an effort for the house conference, for the leadership to say, listen, we've had problems but we're trying to move beyond them. >> let me ask you about the confrontation between matt gates and steve scalise. what happened there? >> matt gates suggested to scalise he should produce evidence about what was exactly illegal. police provided it might be illegal what gate was saying, what some of his comments on
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newsmax. gates said show your receipts. show me what was illegal. i'm not sure exactly what mccarthy and scalise were referring to. i remember in that time we reported that mccarthy was telling his house republicans colleagues they needed to stop calling out fellow members of congress by name. he said that publicly. he said it to the entire house republican conference and, quite frankly, gates does it all the time. he's called out liz cheney by name and a whole host of republicans by name. i'm not sure that would rise to the level of illegality. i'm not sure what mccarthy and scalise were talking about. i think they're talking about that general phenomenon as calling people out and urging constituents to do something. i'm not sure what he was urging them do. >> matt gates said representative mccarthy and representative scalise held
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views about president trump and me and they shared on sniveling calls with liz cheney, not us. what's your understanding for the appetite of the january 6th committee to have mccarthy speak to them? >> what bennie thompson told us i think he probably toldyou guys the same thing is he's going to issue another request to have mccarthy come to the committee and testify. they already issued one letter asking him to testify. mccarthy suggested he won't do so. the next step is a subpoena. will the january 6th committee subpoena them for a whole host of issues but mainly what they were doing on january 6th, what they knew, what they thought. time is running short. we reported this morning that the january 6th committee is going to hold its public hearings in june, they're going to release one report this fall.
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so all that said, they don't have a lot of time. if they want to have mccarthy subpoenaed and he's going to obviously fight this through the courts, so are jordan and perry, i have to imagine that they'd have to do so soon. >> to clarify, he did dodge the subpoena question, not whether they do want to speak with mccarthy. jake sherman, always good to see you. thank you very much. >> and former president donald trump is appealing a new york state judge's civil contempt order. trump, who was held in contempt, has to pay $10,000 a day until he complies. joining me now is nbc news investigation correspondent tom winter. on what grounds is he appealing? >> he's appealing on a couple different things. their idea behind this is -- they seem to believe this is just punitive for him not turning over the documents. this $10,000 a days is just way over the top. that's one of the kind of keefe
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-- the key things they're trying to point out. they're saying we should have the opportunity to challenge this. the judge said yesterday you guys have an opportunity to challenge the subpoena and it just is not something that you can now come back to after the fact, after we've compelled this. so i think, you know, the key thing here is whether or not they get the stay. in other words, whether or not they go to the appeals court and say, hey, until we've got a decision from the appeals court, we don't want to have to pay this fine. if in fact the appeals court says you can challenge this but in the meantime you got to spend that $10,000 a day, we'll see what happens. >> what's stopping them from just turning over these documents? >> well, this is kind of the crux of the argument. they're saying we've searched for these things and we can't find them. the judge is arguing you can't just say, okay, we're couldn't find the documents. you got to show us what you did. you got to show us the math. where did you look? who did you actually speak to? who did you contact?
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what were the steps that you took to figure out whether or not -- for the judge whether or not he thinks that they actually searched for these. >> what sort of documents are we're talking about -- >> we're talking about post-it notes. >> oh. >> and you know better than anybody else, the president likes to communicate by printing documents out, writing post-it notes, comments, directives, whatever it is for passing it along. that was a common practice of his prior to even getting into the white house. so that's what they're focusing on. they seem to believe that these post-it notes and directives exist. they think there's a filing cabinet that hasn't been adequately searched for responsive material for the subpoena. >> do they have an argument that post-it notes go missing easily? >> whether or not they go missing easily or not, it's up to the judge and the judge says you haven't shown me enough that
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you've actually done the search here that's required, that's responsive to this and that's why you're paying the $10,000 a day effective yesterday. >> tom winter, $20,000 as of today. tom, thank you very much. that's a lot of money. coming up, the bottle of water may say it's helping protect the environment but the company behind it just admitted in court filings it is, quote, puffery. and what the fda is considering for kids and covid. fda is cons for kids and covid ow all my owns shingles doesn't care. we've still got the best moves you've ever seen good for you, but shingles doesn't care. because 1 in 3 people will get shingles, you need protection. but, no matter how healthy you feel, your immune system declines as you age increasing your risk for getting shingles. so, what can protect you? shingrix protects. you can protect yourself from shingles with a vaccine proven to be over 90% effective.
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that's why we build technology that makes it possible for every business... and every person... to come to the table and do more incredible things. pfizer has officially asked the fda to authorize a third covid shot for kids 5 to 11. a study found a third dose raised omicron fighting antibodies by 36 times in this age group and that it is completely safe, according to pfizer. some are wondering if it it needed. the cdc estimates 75% of kids have already had covid. joining me is dr. peter hotez. that 75% when it looked at the breakdown, dr. hotez, it does
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include faints to 5-year-olds, the ones who have not had the vaccine. >> that's right. the reason for moving for authorization for a third dose is two-fold. one, the big rise in virus rising antibodies, about the same we see in adults. you may want to do that. if we didn't have omicron, just like we did with adults last year, making that recommendation. also there are data coming out of new york state showing there is declining effectiveness with two doses of the vaccine down to only 12%, practically no protection against actual infection. and even a decline in protection against hospitalization after two doses. i think when you combine those two pieces of information together, there's a strong push in my view to move for that third dose. >> what about the parents who might argue my kid has had covid, they've got natural antibodies. is it necessary for them to have the vaccine at all?
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there are a lot of parents out there who never got the vaccine for their kid, even if their child was eligible. >> if your child is infected with the omicron variant, you are getting some level of protection but it looks like the protection from the omicron variant is not very durable. maybe because it's replicating primarily in the nose and mouth, less deep into your body and, therefore, you're not mounting as robust an immune response. the omicron immunity you get is very tenuous. if you get vaccinated on of that, we have evidence that shows that gives you very robust immunity and this phenomenon of making you resistant of any new variants that might come along. >> let me ask you about vaccinating the world. you've been working on a vaccine. tell me about it. >> it's a protein vaccine,
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similar technology to that used to make the hepatitis b vaccine. it's a microbial fermentation, a vegan product, no human or animal cells. if you're going to make a global health vaccine, this is a pretty good one. in india, it's gone into 30 million adolescents 12 to 14 and just got approved in india for 5 to 11-year-olds. so we're very exciting to be making such a big impact, not only in india but just got approved in botswana as well. >> let me ask you about vaccines for the small kids, the babies to 5-year-olds. what is happening with that? >> well, i think what happened was they went to a pretty low dose, about a quarter of the dose of the moderna vaccine for the moderna in little kids and down from 30 down to 3 micrograms for the pfizer vaccine. so it's not as what we call
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immunogenic. it looks like we'll need a third dose for the little kids as well. we're probably looking at june before it becomes widely available. >> thank you so much for joining us. congratulations on that vaccine and getting it to countries that desperately need it around the world. it's better for all of us to get control of this so we don't get a new variant. bears repeating. >> and water company blue tritan is getting allegations it's not quite as eco friendly as it claims to be. it made public promises to consumers to be sustainable but a lawsuit from an environmental group argues that image is not completely accurate and accuses blue tritan of being deceptive in its advertising. blue tritan has filed a motion
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to dismiss the lawsuit. joining me now is investigative reporter for "the intercept." sharon, walk me through the allegations and what blue tritan said about them in court. >> sure. blue tritan is a giant bottled water company and they make about a third of bottled water in the u.s. and a small nonprofit called the earth island institute shud blue tritan over its claims of sustainability. and basically blue tritan, which used to be nestle's water u.s. has made these lawsuit claims about being green and even helping combat the plastic crisis. and the problem with that is that this is a company that actually sells water in plastic bottles and a lot of those bottles end up in land fills.
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the earth island institute understood them on the grounds they were violating the consumer protection procedures act and basically the company, blue triton, put in a motion to dismiss on this really interesting argument, which was that they said they're not violating the law but the reason they weren't violating, they said, was that their claims were essentially meaningless. and the legal term they used was puffery. they said, well, you know, no one should -- we shouldn't be held accountable because they're respirations. >> respirational puffery. when you say your water bottle is 99% or 100% recyclable, we have numbers about how recyclable plastic is and what does get resickled and it's not all that much.
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79% of all the plastic out there goes in the land fill. 9% is recycled, 12% is incinerated. anybody who has tried to figure out what is recyclable and what is not as they're going through their kitchen garbage on recycling day will tell you it's hard to figure out what is and what is not. when they're saying that it is recyclable, the consumer is thinking, hey, it's not so bad if i use this. >> right. but in fact, so much of what is in land fills and is incinerated is recyclable. so it has the potential to be recycled. it just isn't. >> what about green washing? what does that mean? >> green washing is really what the suit is all about. what they're saying is that they're essentially lying about their environmental impact. and of course blue triton wouldn't be the only company to do this. i mean, this is really, really
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widespread. but they said, okay, this is lying and it's illegal. >> so blue triton provided a statement to us and i'm going to read it. at blue triton brands we are committed at being at the forefront of sustainable water management, advancing recycling and waste production, working toward carbon efficient operations and investing in and partnering with local communities to support a better, cleaner and healthier world. unfortunately the intercept has reported misleading information and mischaracterized their prays's commitment to sustainable and the company's recent motion to dismiss in the earth island litigation. what is your response. >> well, i would like to know what specifically they think is misleading. i report directly on the document and their own argument. literally copying and pasting their own words from their legal filing. and i would be very interested to hear what they think is inaccurate about it. but i stand by my reporting.
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>> they call it aspirational puffery. sharon, thank you for bringing this story to our attention. i really love the reusable bottle that i use to drink water out of. i got a glass one, a metal one, they're fantastic. i'm not spending money on bottled water, which is quite expensive. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me on. i appreciate it. >> coming up next, let's not waste any time on my health. the only thing that really matters is what kind of world we're going to leave to our grandchildren. f world we're going to leave to our grandchildren.
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today we said one final good-bye to a titan. she was our country's secretary of state and she was honored accordingly in the national cathedral in washington.
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madeleine albright was born in prague. she was only a child when the nazis invaded and her family was forced to flee. years later she rose up through the political ranks in the united states. she started at president clinton's ambassador to the united nations. then in 1997 she became secretary of state, confirmed by a vote of 99-0. think of that. some of the largest profiles in modern american history spoke at the funeral service today, including her former boss, president clinton, who relayed one of the last conversations he had with her. >> i said tell me how you're feeling. she said, look, i've got a little problem here, but i've got a perfectly good doctor, i'm doing exactly whatever he tells me to do.
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whatever happens will be the best outcome i can get so let's not spend any time. the only thing that really matters is what kind of world are we going to leave to our grandchildren? i will never forget that conversation. it was so perfectly madeleine albright. joining me now is "usa today" washington bureau chief susan paige. it's good to have you. as i watched the funeral, it was compelling and funny and heartfelt and inspiring. this moment stood out to me with president clinton in that she was not only a fierce defender of freedom during her life, but she knew that it would need to be continued to be defended after she died and especially in this moment. one of the last things that she
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warned about was what i just said about democracy can -- we can lose it if we're not careful. and you spoke to her about this recently, relatively recently. tell me what she told you. >> well, i last sat down with madeleine albright in 2019 and she was concerned about the direction of national politics and about the world politics, about the rise of anti-democratic forces in russia and turkey and hungary and elsewhere. you said she was an optimist but she would also describe her as a worrier. i think she had a refugee's understanding about how fragile democracy and freedom can be and she worried about that, particularly in the final years of her life. >> they had to flee russia and
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then they had to flee again because of communism, her father was a target. she said trump, referred to him as an autocrat. there is a lot of support of donald trump growing in the country. we'll see in the election if it is growing. those people would look at the room, at the cathedral today and say i don't trust any of those people, i don't care about the warnings, they're wrong. what would she say about that, how to regain their trust? >> she had a great political sense. she was of course a foreign policy expert. that's where she had a big impact. she also cared a lot about democratic principles and processes. and she worked hard in the final years, in the final 25 years of her life with the national democratic institute trying to promote democracy in other countries. and i think that she would be
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possibly most concerned now about maintaining the rule of law, maintaining free and fair elections, however they come out. and so that's certainly something that she promoted in other countries and it's one of the things that i think many americans watch with concern in our own country. now at efforts to make the process of approving the outcome of elections, certifying the outcome of election in a way that is partisan as opposed to a way that however the ballots fall, that's how we should count them. >> they look at the legislation being passed and look at the people being installed into election positions. one last thing and this stuck out to me, another topic entirety, one of her daughters was up there and i took this to heart. she said her mother always told her that if you're a woman, you got to interrupt, you got to be heard. she said interrupt but have your thoughts in order and your facts straight. >> yeah. and she's a woman who had to learn to interrupt.
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think about the changes in the role of women during her lifetime. up saw hillary clinton talk about the commencement address that madeleine albright, she graduated from wellesley in 1959. the message was the role of this graduating class, get married and have interesting children. she did that. she had three interesting children. she did so much more than that. part of that was learning to raise her voice, learning to interrupt, katy. >> her daughters were amazing. that was an incredible eulogy. susan page, thank you so much for being with us. we'll be right back. h for being with us. we'll be right back. the regular. ♪ we always dreamed of having this property so— -i wanna make my yard look as beautiful as- largemouth bass. we've got tons of 'em don't we buddy? there are millions of ways to make the most of your land.
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harvard university is dedicating $100 million to confront and correct its past ties to slavery in a sweeping 134 page report, independent researchers detail the nearly 150 years that faculty and staff enslaved people. slavery and racism played in harvard's institutional history after massachusetts abolished slavery. harvard's president said it is a step to making truth more than just the university's motto. >> the truth is that we must do what we can to address the persistent corrosive effects of historical practices on individuals, on harvard, and on our society. >> joining me now here in the stutd owe is nbc correspondent
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and host germane lee. he's also a former fellow at harvard university at the kennedy school institute of politics. tell me about this report and what it means for an institution like harvard to go back and take an unsympathetic look at their own role in the wrongs this country perpetuated. >> in some ways, it's astonishing that an institution of this caliber would acknowledge its entanglement with slave f slavery. but that they're great wealth. they have an endowment of $53 billion all tied into the slave labor, the purchasing and selling of human beings. at this point in time, this institution is well-renown would step up and say, this is who we've been and in some ways
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trying to make amends. now $153 million is yet to be seen what they'll actually do with it, but this is a star and i would say perhaps a proof of concept for an institution grappling with their history. >> what do you make of harvard doing this and desantis in florida taking away math books saying you can't teach race in school, you can't make people feel bad about themselves? >> i think there are people on the other side of truth and justice who are more than willing to go to war over this because they know it plays well. the reality is we cannot run or hide from our history. the institution is addressing itself. there are many people who would say it's still not enough because we don't know what will happen after this moment of acknowledgment, but so far, it's an interesting step. >> you also say it's interesting because harvard is naming people that enslaved people.
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>> of all the profound things to take away, how closely bound the legacy of this institution is with slavery. there are names the. someone called the spaniard, the moore. we're trying to humanize those people, not just slaves. slave speak to their conditions -- >> not who they were. >> exactly. >> amazing. thank you for being here. i'm going to be really interested to see what they do with that money. keep us updated, will you. >> will do. >> that is going to do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. jackson picks up jackson picks up coverage next. knorr. taste for good.
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