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down roe versus wade. and will surely set off a political earthquake in this country. we're covering every angle as the 11th hour gets underway on this historic monday night. >> good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle with a big one tonight. beginning with dramatic developments involving a woman 's rights and ambition. according to the draft opinion obtained by political the supreme court has privately voted to strike down the landmark roe v. wade decision from 49 years ago. political reports tonight, quote the draft opinion is a full appreciation of the 1983 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights. in a subsequent 1992 decision, planned parenthood versus casey, the lodged and maintain the right. roll was a gradually wrong from the start. illegal rights. political also pointing out justices can, and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinion circulate. nbc news has not confirmed the draft ruling, and so, far the
supreme court has declined to comment. even if this leak, even if this leak itself is unprecedented, the new york times pointing out, early jobs of opinions had never leak before the final decision is announced. so we've got unprecedented across the board and a lot to begin to. with that, let's bring in our experts, phil rucker, pulitzer prize-winning deputy national editor at the washington post, barbara mcquade, federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. she worked with doj during the biden transition as a professor at the university of michigan law school. professor melissa murray, the nyu law school professor. she was a loss clerk at the federal bunch. and already mulberry, msnbc
chief legal analyst and host of the beat, right here on msnbc. let's get into this, what a night, barbara. your reaction to this draft ruling, we're doing eternal tonight? >> well, it's shocking. use the word earthquake, and i think that's right apt here. i think there was some speculation that it could be, rather than completely overturning roe v. wade, the court might take a more limited approach. just saying that a 15-week abortion in dobbs was enough to be limited. but, in this opinion, they go all the way. there is no constitutional rights on abortion, and that means it's fair game for all of the states.
i think not law only is this devastating news for anyone who would ever want to see abortion in america, but it is also based on the same number of privacy rights that form the basis for a number of other important decisions like same-sex marriage, like interracial marriage, like contraception. and, so this could open the floodgates to eviscerating all kinds of rights. >> melissa, but also we need to know? >> as you said, stephanie, it's unprecedented for a draft to be look like this. i can't think of another time that something happened like this. sorry, that's my dog. the real question here is, why did this leak happen? and what's causing it. i have three theories here. one, is it could've been lead by the dissenters, but that's unlikely. could even lead by someone in the middle who wanted to see
how this will undo the public. or, perhaps, more likely, it is being circulated by someone in the majority who fears that there may be defectors from the majority opinion. so this is a way to back justices into a corner, and make sure they stay onside for this decision, which as barbara says, is a real absolute is the station that takes no prisoners, and really undermines and enforcer it's all existing abortion rights. >> we are already seeing people gathering outside protesters, the reaction tonight obviously extraordinary. ari, what's your initial reaction? >> this is, as a draft opinion, it complete to buy for depaul women's rights. we're talking about 50 years of president. there's not anything like a mixed ruling as a draft, and we all heard the calculus in the coverage, but this is not yet law. but if this ruling as drafted becomes law this incredible leak of a draft opinion. it evaporates women's rights.
it asserts both the original roe v. wade opinion, and the planned parenthood v. casey opinion that further defined how those rights and they undue burden would be applied in the united states. it will have an immediate impact on people, hundreds of millions of people who are impacted because many states have triggers. more than a dozen or basically when this draft, if it does come down as well, it will then become law of the land in states that have said they want to mine abortion, with no exceptions in many places for rape or incest or other very serious matters that states have previously said should be adjudicated with some level of balance. none of that is gonna happen. we have the graph on the screen there that really goes through that. and then, finally, we have the fact that basically, writing it summertime election. we can get a congress that wants to go further, and have a national gun on abortion in 2022. and people are saying, gosh, the last president who was elected, but with your votes not to the national monday for the voting for him. and this draft opinion is the product. if this is handed down, i can't think of a more extreme use of the courts power where clearly there hasn't been settled a precedent, which they called, stare decisis, and public
opinion. so, like i said, to buy for everything we know about choice over the last 50 years. >> we got the political response in the midterms, and this could wake the sleeping giant, and could wake up the democratic voters, centrist voters, people who aren't involved in politics at all, to go out and vote to protect rights. i wanna go back through hall unprecedented it is and why it may have been leaked? what does something like this do? you yourself was a collective integrity and crossed trust at the bench the highest court in the land, we don't see like this happen. and they've all got to work together tomorrow. >> well, this cannot sit well with the justices. there is going to be hell to pay tomorrow one, as they try to figure out where the sleet came from, but, again, it goes to the monumental nature of
this opinion. this is undoing almost 50 years of precedent. and it does so in no way that makes clear that is similarly likely to be on the chopping block, if not the media future, then in the next couple of years. ellen's all of the bread crumbs of undoing shows an enumerated rights. so, this is a kind of salvo across the bow and showing warning shot. that really is a question to me. why did this happen? who is doing this? because the counselors a lot about what's going on within the court, and its internal deliberations. because this had to be a really fraud issue, even on a court that is clearly ideologically fleck should.
>> phil, take us at the white house, how did they respond to the? >> stephanie, robin heard anything yet from president biden has been administration, but we're hearing alarm bells sound across the democratic party here in washington and around the country. we're hearing governors, including in new york, in michigan, another state saying that they will use whatever power they have in their states to uphold women's rights to an abortion, to uphold the practice of abortion in their states. i would fully expect a pretty full response from president biden at some point, perhaps tomorrow. but the white house, of course was waiting to gauge whether this draft opinion is validated and real and don't obviously want to get ahead of the process at the court. but it is a huge political
storm. and you can expect biden to have some strong words about it. >> i worry how does that work, you have the governor of new york saying, we will protect new yorkers. can state lawmakers without? >> yeah, i mean, reading from the staff to pinion, that's the argument they make on page six, again, for viewers, this hasn't become law yet, but the supreme court as of this moment is not denying the veracity, the political reporters showing -- a little would've written that they would heed the constitution, quote, returned issue of abortion, and the elected representatives. and it goes on to, say this is the rule of law. the argument here is that there was sending back to the states and that's where things would go before. there was a lengthy opinion as we're reading through it about that history, and about how we went back and forth. but bottom line of argument would be there with it. -- could continue to do so,, but you would wipe out the entire
idea as the professional is alluding to that there are human rights here. and their human rights whether you call them conservative libertarian, or protect progressive. whatever you want to do with the idea on is that the government says not allowed to go between or inside someone's body up through what has been the timeline put out through casey. that's been around for a long time. casey is about 92. so you would be wiping that away leading up to individual states unless, and until >> i
mentioned it just a few moments ago, these trigger laws. while roe v. wade was the law of the land, state could not violate it. that band abortion, that made it illegal, that made it a crime. if roe v. wade is gone, that frees the landscape. just as we are seeing in places like louisiana, mississippi, kentucky. texas, all these places. there were laws on the books in 1973 when roe v. wade was decided. that had to be invalidated. they stayed on the books. here in michigan we've got one of those. this decision, once it is issued. that will automatically revert to being a law that bans abortion in the state of michigan. there are other states that have passed which you've just referred to as trigger laws. which is that in the event that roe versus wade's overturned, then this will become our law in our state which will ban abortion. more than half of the states have laws that will make abortion illegal in their state if and when this decision is issued. >> must i want to go to page
five of the draft, it says that the constitution makes no reference to abortion and that no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision. can you explain this to us? >> this is something that conservatives like to talk about incessantly. this idea of quote unquote, enumerated rights. rights that are explicit in the text of the constitution. they don't say that there are a lot of things that they will sacrosanct that are not explicit in the constitution either. executive privilege for example, qualified immunity. which we've heard about as nausea more the last two years. and none of those things is explicit in the text of the constitution, and yet the court has recognized them. so there are a range of different rights and principles are implicit, but not
necessarily x in the constitution and one of these things the courts have said in its past, is abortion. this idea that there are liberties, including the right to determine how your body will be used to not make these choices under the compulsion of the state. we do not hear about that. and again, i can't even express the magnitude of this decision. this is not just overturning roe v. wade, that's actually withdrawing a right that has previously been conferred. we have never done anything like that in the history of this country. in this may pretend to put this off on the states to make their own decisions, but we've already seen missouri enact or proposed a law that would make it a crime to leave the state, or deny the opportunity to leave the state to seek abortion care elsewhere. and this is something that happened in the days when interracial marriage was prohibited. could be a crime to actually leave the state and transact. we are going to see not a state by state settlement of this, but actually more of a jurisdictional conflict over abortion and the withdrawal of
a right that many americans have come to take for granted at this point. >> phil, could this big win for republicans end up being, careful what you wish for. you have two years, they incessantly campaign on this, because it brings out evangelical single issue voters. but when you add in the majority of republicans and swing voters undecided voters. the overwhelming majority of this country do not want a ban on abortion. so could this end up blowing up and republicans face? >> it could potentially stephanie. and here is something to think about, it is not just the supreme court decision by antiabortion activists are planning and my colleague at the washington post has a great piece on this out this morning. are planning to move even further, to try to advocate for a federal ban on all abortions. after six weeks by the congress. and so if republicans were to win majorities in the house and the senate their leadership would come under extraordinary
pressure from activists in their own party that push forward that kind of legislation. but that is the kind of legislation as you know is unpopular with the broader american public. and it could serve the purpose of really cutting into republican support politically. and you should look to see democrats try to take advantage of this court ruling if in fact this is how the court is going to end up ruling on abortion. to warn that republicans could take away other rights as well. there is language in this draft opinion that eludes to gay rights and eludes to same-sex marriage and other social values and rights that are very near and dear to democrats and to the progressive base. and i think that they can use this court ruling, or at least will try to use this court ruling, as a way to galvanize their own voters ahead of the midterm elections. >> well i want to share a clip from brett kavanaugh's confirmation hearing. of course that hearing under oath. here's what he said. >> have your views on whether roe is settled precedent or could be overturned?
and has your views changed since you were in the bush white house? >> senator, i've said that it is settled as a precedent of the supreme court, entitled to respect under-principles of stare decisis. and one of the important things to keep in mind about roe v. wade, is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years as you know. and most prominently, most importantly, reaffirmed in planned parenthood versus casey in 1992. and as you well recall senator, i know that when that case came up, the supreme court did not just reaffirm it in passing, the court specifically went through all of the factors of stare decisis in considering whether to overrule it. and then in joint opinion of
justice kennedy, justice o'connor and justice souter, at great length went through those factors. that was the question presented in the case. >> melissa, let's say i am diane feinstein, and after getting an answer like, that i would think yeah, he is not going to touch roe v. wade, and now here we are. does this now show that whatever these justices say in their confirmation hearings, just gets thrown out the window once they're on the bench? >> i testified against brett kavanaugh in that confirmation hearing and so i may be biased on this, but i said that and i'll say now, that i thought he would be a likely vote to overturn roe v. wade no matter what he said. but if you listen closely, he talked about planned parenthood versus casey in the fact that casey articulate a number of factors that the court has to consider before it can overrule it past precedent. if you go through this draft opinion, if it's true, and this
is the draft of the majority, they go through all of those factors. they simply come out with the view that roe versus wade was agree just the wrong and was wrong on the day that it was decided back in 1973. brett kavanaugh promised no more than that. simply going through those factors and here we are. and so i think he has kept his end of the bargain and perhaps remain aid to interrogate we are part of the bargain was. >> here we are, that is exactly right. phil rucker, barbara mcquade, but are in melbourne, melissa murray, thank you fall for starting us off on this very important night. coming up next, much more on this breaking news. the political earthquake it is about to set off. and practically speaking, the future of abortion in this country, what it means for women. the ceo of planned parenthood joins us next. the 11th hour, just getting underway.
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she's the founder -- to of the most prominent bush and providers in this country. alexis, on our mind audience that this is a draft opinion obtained by politico. nothing is set. but, at the same time, you've got panicked scared women across this country. explain to us if this draft holds. if it becomes opinion, what will this mean for abortion? >> thank you so much, stephanie. yes, it is ostroff the pinion, but it is a roadmap. i'm so glad that you mentioned the very people who may be choosing to seek access to abortion may have appointments tomorrow. they should know that this is still a right that they should still be able to go to their appointments as of tonight, abortionist illegal.
the court has not formally ruled. and that is important for patients to know that they can still get care. but what it means is that if it's real, would they have provided us is essentially a roadmap to let us know that they have been willing to overturn 49 years of precedent to take away a constitutional right. we've never lost a constitutional right. and even though the writing has been in the world for decades, it is no lost of a stating. we are beyond the tipping right now for abortion access and it is outrageous. >> amy, let's say this is upheld. do you want women to understand? >> this opinion does not reflect the majority of people in this country. millions of people, men, and women, republicans, democrats, christians, people of all faith have benefited from access to safe abortion in this country. abortion is a moral good. that is still available. and it is needed by women and families all over the place. and so, we have to fight against this kind of ruling. we have to affirm that abortion is part of regular health care. it is essential medicine.
we have abortion available for sure in about half the states and then other states people are going to see their access decimated. and it is not okay for a country that is supposed to stand for human rights to let this happen on our watch and to force people to travel hundreds and hundreds of miles for a procedure that is safe and normal and should be available. >> but, amy, if this doesn't reflect the majority of this country. if in fact, this isn't how the supreme court ends up ruling, what will it mean for those seeking abortion? >> so, we've already seen this kind of effect in texas, unfortunately. since last september, we've had a ban on abortion. beyond six weeks in texas, and the devastation has been tremendous. thousands of people of and denied access to safe abortion care. some people have been forced to
travel to other places in the country, other states where abortion is available. many people of enforce the carry pregnancies against their will they don't feel ready for prepared for. other people have taken matters into their own hands, and ourself sourcing abortions and managing their own abortions on their own terms. and this is where we're going to see, because bounds like this don't change the need for abortion, they don't help people prevent unplanned pregnancy, they simply block people from accessing care with training professionals who are compassionate and kind, and they forced people outside the mainstream, and it forces people to travel. and it's devastating. >> managing abortions on their own terms is about the nicest way you could phrase something truly horrific. alexis, and i have a lot of experience with this, what are you seeing hop in that planned parenthood right now? >> look, amy is exactly right, people are managing their
abortions that are being criminalized for it. they are being surveilled because we don't just have with the bunny on a provision, we also have all of these neighboring states voting in copycat laws in anticipation because they've been in bold and by this court, and clearly for good reason if this draft opinion is correct. so, we see patients who are just seeking access to basic health care, or getting in their cars and driving thousands of miles. people who need childcare, and need access to places to stay in order to take off from work. in order to get access to basic health care, and the reality is, there are so many people who actually can't afford to leave many states, as amy talked about, in a state like texas or now a state like oklahoma tree.
and the reality, is if this is true, if the court is already decided to overturn roe, we are talking about 26 states that will ban access to abortion. we're talking about 36 million people who give birth, would no longer be able to gain access to abortion in their states, and the devastation, right, the south of the country or people undrafted or their own bodies. people no longer be able to have the right, the basic right to solve determination that we have come to expect under this constitution. for 49 years. it is more than devastating, and it is absolutely unconscionable that this is the way this court could possibly go. >> so, what will that look like? it's 26 states, the trigger laws are not that, in 26 states automatically ban abortion, what happens there? >> they will have to travel, right? they will have that then if i ways in which to manage their care. it means they knowing longer have access illegally in their own states, depending on where
they are. they will have to, again, good a car, lit up with gas, they will have to get childcare, they love to find their way to a provider in the state where they're actually expanding care. this is the intent, stephanie. then tent is not just to shame and blame abortion providers and patients, it's also the grade a have a significant burden which is also significant about the way they're describing this case and the soft opinion. they're not just overturning roe, they're overturning casey, potentially, which suggests that one should have an additional burden to travel outside the state just access basic oath care. so, that is what is happening. folks like amy, and planned parenthood, other providers are identifying ways in which we can fill the gaps ensure that we have the green to have patients fill the. needs but there is no solution to have 24 states absorb all of the care and all 50 states. and that is significant in itself. we're already seeing the surge in so many states right now.
to have 24 states absorb all of the care and all 50 states. and that is significant in itself. we're already seeing the surge in so many states right now. >> amy, how do you fill that gap. besides fighting back against this rally and take the politics out, would your doctors and nurses do. with your patients do? >> right, our patients are the center of everything we do, unlike what alexis was saying, we're already seeing people travel. in fact, last week, we are patient travel all the way from texas alexandria virginia and her car with their family and children because she needed to take her children with her because they couldn't get time off work. that an abortion and virginia, on a clinic in virginia there, and then they jump in the car right after and drove all night so that they can make it back to work.
this is the kind of impact this man is having already in texas. and it's only gonna get worse of this decision is indeed red law and you have to. we're also seeing people being forced to carry pregnancy. 70% of the people we care for our parenting already. these are folks who are navigating work, multiple jobs, and not everybody can take off and travel so far. and what we're seeing here is people being proposed disproportionately affected, who don't have other germs. women of color, black and brown woman completely left behind. and this is going to have a devastating effect on maternal mortality. on health outcomes. on physical and emotional well-being, of families all across this country. we are doing all we can to see as many people as possible in our state clinics. in the states where role is
caught a fight. where abortion is legal, an abortion is safe at the state level. but, this map is difficult for even people who are extremely poor to understand. and our patients hear news like this, and they're scared. this news does not reflect the reality, and they need to have access to safe abortion. and we're here to see as many people as we can, as long as we can. and also to be a trusted source of information to give folks the clinics that are, good to get folks to self managed abortion, and to get folks to medication abortion by mail in states where that's available. so that people can get access to the state abortion they deserve. >> a woman, a mother drove all night from texas. at the texas mexico border, to alexandria virginia, to get a
safe abortion, so that she could then get back on the road and drive all the way back there, to go to work the next day. and that in 2022. think about that. that is the state of the united states of america right now. alexis mcgill johnson, amy hatchery miller, thank you for joining us this evening. we are going to continue on this conversation, with barr really, here to react to tonight's breaking news on abortion, when the 11th hour continues.
>> once i made this decision carefully, one of my mother's best friends and el paso help me access the abortion that i could not get in california. when my mother told her what was going on, she told my mother to send me to her in el paso. because she knew of a good, confident and compassionate doctor. who had a back alley clinic. she was kind and loving. took me to mexico to have the abortion procedure. remember, i had just turned 16. >> a deeply personal story shared right there by congresswoman barbara lee of california. her own private story, just this past september, doing the house oversight hearing. congresswoman joins us tonight. congresswoman, you are the first person that i wanted to call to join us this evening.
first of, all what was it like for you. what did it take for you to be willing to share a story so personal and now here you are tonight. possibly having to think about all of these american woman who might have to take that same trip that you did so many years ago. >> stephanie, you know i did not talk about having an abortion because, that was my right and that was my decision. just as it should be right now and it is, because abortions are still illegal, and i hope that young people have appointments to get an abortion understand that they are still legal. but then, let me tell you. my mother told me, she said look, i will help you, whatever decision you make. but it is nobody's business, it's a private decision and so you do not need to talk about it unless you want to. well i chose not to talk, about it and now wants all of these horrible cases start coming down. i felt compelled and i could not keep quiet, i had to tell the truth about what happened
to me, i had to sound the alarm. because let me tell you, in the 60s abortions were not safe, they were not illegal. but the death of the majority of black women in that period were from septic abortions. i was one who survived. my mother's friend who had just passed away made sure that i had a safe abortion. it was not legal, it was back alley. and i was so worried. i had this -- this trigger so much personal pain for me. because not only am i angry, i'm heartbroken. because i know when i went through. and i know what young people are going to go through. most of our young people, they do not know a life without row. and it is crucial that we understand that this is a political decision. the leaked, unfortunate opinion that was late, that if it is true, that we have to organize,
organize elect candidates who are going to support a woman's right to privacy. and to make sure that her own body becomes her own body once again. because right now, these decisions are being made by lawmakers and supreme court justices who have nothing to do with a woman's bodily autonomy. >> they might not have anything to do with it, but they can make these decisions. and if this draft does become an official decision, if it is held, then what? what does organizing do? >> first of all, we have the woman's health protection acts. that the house passed. led by my colleague, congresswoman judy chu who saw this coming. it's in the senate now. and so right now, we need to be organized and make sure that they won't the senate passes the woman's health protection act.
cause we have to -- roe v. wade excuse me. second, we have to make sure that people are educated about the impact of decisions, voting for the president in terms of the president having the authority to appoint people to the supreme court that make decisions that impact ones daily lives. we have to educate the public about voter participation and engagement, because otherwise we are going to end up with what is going to end up now. because donald trump was elected as president. so this stephanie, is a matter of racial justice, because women who have money in the majority who don't have money, low income, lacking, the black and brown women, they do not have the resources to travel to other states like women with money have.
women are gonna have abortions regardless. what concerns me now is that they are not going to be safe, that they are going to be illegal. and so i am terrified of the precedent that this is setting. also because, the next band that they are going to create is a ban on birth control. so this is a slippery slope, and we have to really wake up now and do everything that we can do to get women's health protection act passed in the senate. >> could you possibly get that done on a bipartisan way now? not all republicans support this. there are a whole lot of republicans tonight, especially those who represent swing districts, swing states, who are not feeling good about this. >> there are a lot of republican women out there stephanie who believe that they should have the right to make their own health care decisions. a lot of republican women. so it is up to them.
it's up to everyone who believed in women's equality, women's reproductive justice, to step up and insist that they are senators vote to pass the health care act. it is just critically important that they step up now and do that, because this is not only affecting black and brown woman, it's not only affecting women who are registered democrats, it's affecting all women. republican women also. and so they need to understand that their young people. i've three granddaughters and i don't want them to have to deal with what we are dealing with now and when i had to deal with in the 60s in terms of having to have an unsafe or illegal abortion. and so yes, republican women need to let their senators know that this impacts them also. and that they are going to hold them accountable at the polls.
because in a democracy, that is with this is all about. right? holding your elective officials accountable. and that is what has to happen right now. it is affecting all americans, congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us this evening. congresswoman barbara lee. coming up, much more on the politics of rolling back the right women have had in this country for nearly half a century, when the 11th hour continues.
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tonight to political reporting on the lead draft of a supreme court decision that would overturn both roe v. wade and planned parenthood versus casey. too long maximal rights cases they guarantee the constitutional right to an abortion. with us tonight to discuss, and we start, or washington journalist and associate editor and columnist for realtor politics. and i'm cnbc political contributor matthew dahl, also former george w. bush's strategist and founder of country over party. matt, for months, we have been saying would could motivate democratic voters come the midterms. we are fulfilled their sluggish, good this blowup in republicans face and truly energize democrats to show up at the polls in november? >> well, first, i just want to say how destructive i think this decision is. it's the first time in our history that a constitutional right has been removed for a group of voters in our country. let, alone a majority of voters in our country who just hasn't
been removed yet, i should say. as the draft of it is there. if that's the case, i believe that this resets the table for the 2022 election. democrats have been worried about two things, one is as you say, motivation, two is about persuasion. at a time where president biden is unpopular. republicans thought this was going to be 20 ton. with this could do, and we'll see how it unfolds, i can easily see this, instead of it being 20 ton, it being 2018. because as you remember, will motivate a lot of people in 2017 and 2018 was the worry about this issue. this comes to pass, it's taken that worry to degree that is now become reality. so, love to see it all unfold. i will guess most republicans in swing districts and swing states are not looking at this well. mitch mcconnell is probably not looking at the swell. because i think we don't know the fundamental way as it says, resets, it but it moves and they will dramatically different than it was yesterday.
>> a. b., is this with the majority of republicans really want? because, this hasn't been led by the broader gop, it has been led over years, specifically by antiabortion roots scheming to make this happen. >> that's right, i think that matthew is right. it's gonna be very tough in swing districts where they thought they had the wind that their backs, and this could bring some independent and former republican women who voted for biden, either back voting for the democrats, or staying home and not voting for republicans down-ballot. you can see tonight, also, the reaction from conservatives. the anger about the leak. if, not marjorie taylor greene's during the decision, but not a lot of people are. they're very angry about this leaking out in advance of june when they expected it giving more months for the public to become aware and energized by. so, there was no evidence in
the elections and last november in new jersey and virginia that the texas banded anything to motivate voters or fundraising. this is different. the supreme court's decision is going to be an explosion in this country. and, i think in a way that texas ban obviously was not far reaching and it's more devastating. so i do think that is going to have political energy for the democrats. how much, we don't know. it is the one issue that glues the base,, the base of the democrats was worried wouldn't kamau. nonwhite voters, young voters those voters didn't go on for barack obama when he suffered his party suffered thus devastating losses in 2010 in 2014. though he was reelected. it combines those voters in the
midterms, and this coalition of people turned down for joe biden rejecting trump in 2018 and again in 2020. and those include a lot of independent republicans and retract both of them, and energize what we. so it's likely to be not with the republicans want to hear. >> matt, how much of this is a complication for americans? that's not something there campaigning on. now they have to say we delivered it all republicans. >> well i think that's the difficulty. for all this period of time, it was a great motivator when you didn't have it. that's like the dog right after the car, but now they got the, car they got the car, and now like, what else did they have in their piggy bank on the course of this? they don't have a series of issues that they blundered through and wait achieve the tsunami that you thought.
they now have -- this has been handed to the democrats how they make use of it, and what they do. we'll see, but i think tonight, and obviously again it's a draft opinion, and we'll see, but free, he's it could possibly come but the moment it comes will be shocked by it. because you are just like, wow, that is a reality. all right was fundamentally taken away. and out also explained this. this is not just about women voters, it's about sons, and fathers, and friends, all of those people that want to give women the respect that they can make their wishes themselves. all those people are motivated. it's not just women voters. >> not, thank you for saying this. it's not just about women, it's about all americans. matt dowd, avs dollar, thank you. roe v. wade, it has been the
the lava land. as the nation waits for the supreme court to officially release its final decision on a right turn abortion, it is important to remember that that wright has been around for a very very long time. it was back in january, 1973, a little bit more than 49 years ago, when this monumental decision was made. here is a look back on how that news was reported. >> today's decision came as a shock to both anti and pro abortion forces. >> means that january 22nd 1973 will stand out as one of the great days for freedom and free choice. this allows a woman free choice, whether or not to remain pregnant, this is extraordinary.
>> for some woman, this law will mean the difference between having abortion or not. instead of traveling to another state like new york. this new york clinic for example reports that 48% of its patients are from out of the state. the attitude of the roman catholic church in new york was expressed by terrence cardinal cook. in a statement read by spokesman. >> from the beginning, prohibition forces have seen this -- the freedom to have an abortion is now legal in every state. >> here we are, 49 years later more than a lifetime ago for many of us. back in december, justice sonia sotomayor asked this. well, well this institution survived the stench that this creates in the public perception. that the constitution and it's reading are just political acts. i do not see how it is possible, unquote. >> an unprecedented leak
involving one of the most decisive issues in this country even the nation, with many more questions than answers on this unsettling monday night. as our guest said, for those of you who are watching, who have appointments for abortion services tomorrow, no those appointments hold. you are safe, as of tonight, nothing has changed. on that note, i wish you all a very good and a very safe night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with us and we will see you at the end of tomorrow. end of tomorrow. tonight, on all in. >> i love donald trump. i love donald trump more, i've got donald trump tattooed on my rear end. >> the unofficial kickoff to the midterms is upon us, and as a primary endorsement count if you don't know the person's name? >> we've endorsed -- j. d. mandel? and he's doing great.