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that would overturn "roe v. wade" and reverse a constitutional right that's been in the books for 50 years. today the chief justice confirmed this is a real draft. within weeks we will see some version of some ruling come out. we will continue our special coverage here on msnbc. you've been watching "the beat" with ari melber and "the reidout" begins now with vice president kamala harris speaking at an emily's list gala. you're watching msnbc. >> good evening, everyone. we gyp "the reidout" tonight with a giant step backwards for women as free people in america. 50 years ago progress was made when the supreme court announced their decision in "roe v. wade." >> major story today, aside from the death of lyndon johnson, the tragic death and the hopes for peace in vietnam, is the decision of the united states supreme court. it handed down an historic decision about abortion. the court said in a 7-2 decision
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that in the first three months of pregnancy only the woman and her physician may decide whether she may have an abortion. in the second three months, all the state may do is regulate abortion procedures, and only in the final three months of pregnancy can the state forbid abortion. >> that was an historic moment for women. only the third official affirmation of women's rights after the right to vote in 1920 and the legalization of birth control by the supreme court in 1965. the 1973 ruling on abortion told women that we, not the government, control our bodies, that women get to make their own decisions about their own lives, and now that era of basic human rights and dignity for women has been ripped to shreds with a leak of a draft opinion from the supreme court overturning "roe v. wade" as well as the associated ruling casey versus planned parenthood. the supreme court has confirmed that the document obtained by politico is in fact the authentic first draft. in the opinion justice samuel
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alito doesn't mince words. it is a blatant rejection of the past 50 years. quote, roe was egregiously wrong from the start. its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. and far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, roe and casey have inflamed debates and deepened division, unquote, and with that the unelected supreme court shaped by the minority rule has taken away a right that a majority of americans support. it's not the final draft, but it's very likely that the actual decision won't be any different. alito's ruling rests on the argument, that quote, the constitution makes no reference to abortion and no such right sim police italy protected taking us back to the time of the founding fathers when women were considered barely more than the property of their fathers and husbands. there's no telling what other rights this fundamentalist court could decide to take away next in order to get us back to the founding fathers, from birth control to gay marriage to the many other rights that are not
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specifically enumerated in the constitution. here is how president biden reacted to the draft decision today. >> it concerns me a great deal that we're going to after 50 years decide a woman does not have a right to choose within the limits of the supreme court decision. if the rationale of the decision released were to be sustained a whole range of rights are in question, a whole range of rights. the idea that we're letting the states make those decisions, localities make those decision would be a fundamental shift in what we've done. >> we'll hear from the country's highest ranking woman vice president kamala harris. democrats made a scathing case against the decision promising to pass legislation to codify "roe v. wade" into law. >> this is as urgent and as real as it gets. we will vote to protect a woman's right to choose and every american is going to see
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which side every senator stands on. >> this is a five-alarm fire. >> i am here because i am angry, and i am here because the united states congress can change all of this! . i have seen the world where abortion sill legal, and we are not going back. >> in a statement former president obama and michelle obama said they understood that many are angry and frustrated but they called on americans to join with the activists who have been sounding the alarm on this issue for years and vote because if we want judges who will protect all and not just some of our rights, then we've got to elect officials committed to doing the same. we're starting to see some of that action tonight with protests across the country, but as the obamas said that anger will need to translate into votes in the murder terms because democrats currently cannot pass a law protecting abortion rights in the united
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states senate without ending the filibuster and they are facing a republican party that's openly campaigning for a nationwide abortion ban. women in the 13 state that have trigger laws that would immediately outlaw abortion once roe is overturned would be most immediately affected by make no mistake. republicans are coming after every single american. they are just getting to the women first. joining me now congresswoman barbara lee of governor and alexis mcgill johnson, president of planned parenthood of america and the planned parenthood action fund. we've had you on before to talk about your personal experience and you do remember the era as does senator warren was illee. what was your reaction to this draft and samuel alito's reasoning that roe had to go because it doesn't fit within the original framing of the country and at constitution? >> well, first of all, i'm really angry, and i'm trying to contain myself quite frankly.
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i'm angry and i'm heartbroken. i'm heartbroken because so many do not know life without r o', first of all. secondly, it's going to be low-income women, black and brown women who are going to be impacted the most. women with money will be able to travel to state and afford to have an abortion so this is an issue of racial justice, and -- and it is a reminder for me personally of the days before roe when at age 15, joy, you know, i had a very heart wrenching decision to make, and my mother and i made that decision together. it was nobody else's business. that's why i didn't talk about it. it was my right to privacy. it was my right not to talk about my health care issues, and so my mother sent me to mexico, and it was a back alley where i had an abortion.
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fortunately i lived but so many then black women were dying each and every day of septic abortions, so i lived. so many thousands of women did not live, and abortions have got to remain safe and legal, and so we do not want to see this happen, but i have to tell you everything is political. we have to organize. we have to mobilize, and we have to make these senators now and republican women, the public supports a woman's right to reproductive freedom. these republican women and everyone needs to unite and let these senators know in no uncertain terms they need to step up and pass the women's health protection act right away. >> and i'm going to warn our audience that we're waiting for vice president harris to speak so i may have to jump in so ladies, i apologize if i have to rudely interrupt one of you if the vice president begins speaking, but alexis mcgill johnson, let me go to you. this is a map. this is the 13 states with trigger laws, and, you know, these are the states that the
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moment that the official, you know, end of r o'comes, they are going to -- their laws will kick in, and then are 26 states that are likely to just ban abortion outright if and when roe is overturned and i think now is the point when. look at that, and it looks a lot -- looks a lot like the same states with the highest poverty rates, the same states that rejected the expansion of medicaid under obamacare, the same states that are aggressively turning back the right to vote, the same states whose laws seem the cruellest. there's a woman whose treat was very interesting today, and she said forced birth in a country with the highest maternal mortality rate no, paid maternity leave no, universal subsidized child care, no continued birth parent care and frequently inacaccessible health care. what is it going to mean for the various planned parent hod clinics when these states ban
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abortion, and these women? what is it going to mean for these women? >> it's not about planned parenthood clinics. it's about all of those people living in the states. that's a huge swath of the country that will now have to travel thousand of miles outside of their state in order to get access to basic health care. it is unconscionable what -- what this draft opinion suggests, that overturning roe in a way we know the same states that have the most restrictive access to abortion are also the states with the worst maternal outcomes and even increased voting restrictions so even the idea that these are the states that should come -- that alito should come back and actually enact federal legislation or state legislation is also restricting our ability to express, you know, our opinion and n a democracy. this is the reality that -- that we are facing, and -- and, you know, like everyone has said, we will not go back. it is going to take a lot of
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time for us to build back this constitutional right. >> i want to note just for the audience, statistics, pretty jarring, 60% of women who have abortion are already mothers and children. many cases low-income women who cannot afford more children, majority of abortions occur in the first trimester and women seeking later abortions are more likely to be poor or young or have serious health complications. congresswoman, you know -- let me actually skip to this because one of the things that the -- that the pro-force birth side says is this is not about punishing women. this is about saving children even though they tend not to be in favor of things like maternal health care, universal pre-school or anything that helps children, burks okay, they say that's their argument. midas touch which has put out a lot of really, you know, stark videos to try to get people to focus on these issues in a very specific way, they put out one that essentially describes "a
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handmaid's tale" in real life once enforcement begins because it's hard to imagine it won't include enforcement. let's take a listen. >> everything is going to be okay. let me do the talking, okay? >> good evening, ladies. license, please. where are you headed? >> just out for a drive. >> headed to the border? >> oh, no, no. we were just going up to the -- >> hey, there. what's your name? grace. are you pregnant, grace? step out of the week. >> she does not have to step out of the vehicle. >> show me your hands on the wheel. hands on the wheel! >> congresswoman, it is impossible for me to imagine making abortion illegal without having the enforcement include enforcement against women, against mothers and teenage
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daughters and -- and people who try to sneak and get abortion pills. enforcement against women is inevitable, is it not? >> yeah. what they are trying to do, joy, is criminalize our bodies and all those bogus arguments are totally irrelevant. this is an issue that is a very personal decision that a person has to make oftentimes very, very grueling, and so the right to privacy, the right to make their own -- our own medical decisions, our own health care decisions is what this issue, is and all of these other arguments have nothing to do with women's autonomy and that's what we're talking about and so, yeah, they are trying to criminalize our bodies. yes, they are trying to move towards state's rights and we all know what state's rights mean. yes, this is the beginning of the erosion of our fundamental constitutional rights. they are coming for me today. they are coming for you tomorrow
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uncertain scary moment, joy. even though -- and i want to just reiterate right now, abortions are still legal, but, you know, if this holds and this opinion which it looks like it will, then what are they going to do next? take away our right to -- to birth control? what next? start taking away rights for the lbgtqi community? what next? they already tried to take away our voting rights so all of this intersects with basic fundamental rights and the erosion of our -- >> congresswoman, sorry to interrupt you, but vice president harris is taking the stage. we want to just watch her walk up on stage and we'll listen to her speech so let's go to the vice president. >> good evening. ♪♪ >> good evening. please have a seat. good evening. good evening. i want to thank miss lafonza
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butler. i've known her for many, many years. she and i were in different positions when we first got to know each other, working together, and i will say that we are very fortunate that we have a leader in lafonza butler at a moment like this in the history our country. thank you. i also want to recognize another very special person who is in the room, the first second gentleman of the united states, doug emhoff. [ applause ] so, if there was ever any doubt about why emily's list is important, last night makes the point. women's rights in america are
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under attack. "roe v. wade" has protected a woman's right -- yeah, it's powerful. "roe v. wade" and its power has protected a woman's right, her right to make decisions about her own body for nearly half a century. if the court overturns "roe v. wade," it will be a direct assault on freedom, on the fundamental right of self-determination to which all americans are entitled. roe protects the right to access abortion.
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it also protects a woman's right to make decisions about what she does with her own body. [ applause ] so to the friends i say we've always been clear, but today we know our purpose. we know also what we are up against. we have been on the front lines of this fight for many years, all of us in this together, and now we enter a new phase. there is nothing hypothetical about this moment. let me be clear. this fight requires the work of
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this very organization, emily's list. to elect pro-choice democrats to congress. [ applause ] now at this very moment "roe v. wade" remains the law of the land, but let's talk about what a world without roe looks like. women in almost half the country could see their access to abortion severely limited. in 13 of those states, women would lose access to abortion immediately and outright. those republican leaders who are trying to weaponize the use of the law against women, well, we say how dare they?
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how dare they tell a woman what she can do and no do with her own body. how dare they -- how dare they try to stop her from determining her own future. how dare they try to deny women their rights and their freedoms. you know, three years ago when i was a united states senator, i asked a question. can you think of any laws that give the government power to make decisions about the male body? and the response you'll recall was essentially can't think of any. so when we look at the big picture, those who attack roe
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have been clear. they want to ban abortion in every state. they want to bully anyone who seeks or provides reproductive health care, and they want to criminalize and punish women for making these decisions. at its core, roe recognizes the fundamental right to privacy. think about that for a moment. when the right to privacy is attacked, anyone in our country may face a future where the government can interfere with their personal decisions, not
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just women, anyone, and it has never been more clear which party wants to expand our rights and which party wants to restrict them. it has never been more clear. [ applause ] it has never been more clear which party wants to lead us forward and which party wants to push us back. you know, some republican leaders, they want to take us back to a time before "roe v. wade," back to a time before obi rgerfeld versus hodges.
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but we are not going back. we are not going back. because at our core the strength of our country is that we fight to move forward. i've spent my entire career fighting for the health, safety and well-being of women with so many of you in this room, and now once again, friends, we must link arms in this fight. i invite all people to join us. if you stand for freedom, for self-determination, for the right to privacy, if you stand for these principles, stand with
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us. [ applause ] because, you see, women's issues are america's issues, and democracies, democracies cannot be strong if the rights of women are under attack. [ applause ] so to all of you here i say let us fight for our country and the principles on which it was founded and let us fight with everything we have got. god bless you, and god bless america. ♪ another lovely day, lovely day ♪ >> the vice president of the
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united states kamala harris giving an impassioned speech at emily's list. the lead line how dare they. some republicans are trying to weaponize the use of the law against women. how dare you tell a woman who she can a and cannot do. how dare they stop a woman from determines her own future, a passionate speech and the vice president reminding that the underpinnings to this decision to come are rights to privacy and when that goes away who knows. still with us are congresswoman barbara lee and alexis mcgill johnson. what do you think, congresswoman? >> first of all, she was very authentic. she spoke to the issues, and she also framed this in the context of fighting for our democracy and how critical women's rights are and the trying privacy is essential, and it was very interesting because i've been talking to my friends about this, that we don't know of any
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laws that dictate what men can do with their bodies, and, you are know, i think that shows the glaring kind of unequal treatment of women, and so this is the serious moment, and she also naturally had to politicize it because this is about elections. this is about electing pro-choice, pro-reproductive freedom members of congress who are primarily democrats to make sure that they win, that we wings, and so we've got to get out now and organize, organize, organize in spite of all the voter suppression laws that they pass, in spite of what they are trying to do to keep african americans and people of color and young people and the disabled and seniors away from -- from exercising their constitutional rights to vote, so today it's -- it's women's right to reproductive freedom and tomorrow it will be someone else that they go after. >> well, i'm old enough to remember when republicans went
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absolutely crazy over the idea of a mandate to wear a little piece of cloth over your face to prevent the spread of a deadly pandemic. alexis mcgill johnson, your take on what you heard from the vice president. >> to the point that the congresswoman made, this is why representation matters. that was a room all about representation, having a woman that looks like us in congress representing us and common straight why this is so critical. what i really loved about what the vice president did just there was connect the dots all the way back to the conversation we were having before she started speaking. the criminalization and the weaponization of the law around our bodies. we are already seeing the surveillance increase in our health centers, our parking lots just because of the bounty hunter provision in texas which is now spreading to texas and idaho. we know that there will have to be a way to enforce these laws and because that have bodies that are brown and black and indigenous and low income are going to be at the intersection and the nexus of racism, of
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classism and criminalization, and so i -- i saw her particularly in her role as a former attorney general, former prosecutor understanding what it really means to pass or to let this law fall in a way that's going to impact our freedoms in multiple ways, and i thought i was really proud of seeing her voice as part of the administration being lifted up. >> indeed. congresswoman barbara lee and alexis mcgill johnson, thank you both very much. up next on treatious, susan collins and lisa murkowski were stunned that she was apparently lied to by supreme court nominees and all the rest us saw this coming and now that roe is on the way to being overturned there's a whole lives other rights that conservatives can't wait to roll back. "the reidout" continues after this. wait to roll back. "the reidoutco" ntinues after this
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sounded the alarm again saying the fight was far from over saying, quote, the outcome of november's contest from the presidency to state legislatures is going to be a deciding factor in whether our elected officials and our courts defend or attack a woman's right to health care in generations to come. if warnings from secretary clinton and so many others had been taken seriously, this dark day for american women could have been avoided. now, mitch mcconnell's stolen right wing court is on the precipice of ripping away 50 years of protected rights, but, again, the indications were there, and during brett kavanaugh's confirmation hearing in 2018 the win efforts of the 2016 popular vote warned us again. clinton wrote if breath kavanaugh becomes a supreme court justice will he help gut or overturn "roe v. wade" which legalized abortion in america? yes, of course he will. one person who clearly did not get the message was so-called moderate maine republican senator susan collins who voted for two of donald trump's nominees, neal gores church and
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brett kavanaugh and repeatedly assured everyone that they would uphold roe. >> don't you think just as an academic matter neil gorsuch for whom you voted will probably vote to overturn "roe v. wade" if given the chance. >> i actually don't. we talked about whether he considered roe to be settled law. he said that he agreed with what justice roberts said at his nomination hearing and which he said that it was settled law. i do not believe that brett kavanaugh will overturn. >> well, today senator collins found it completely inconsistent that the two would be among the majority of justs to overturn. with me is the founder of the abortion access front. let me play one more person who
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was quite surprised by the turn of events, lisa murkowski. this is what she was saying now. this is what she was saying today. >> if it goes in the direction that this leaked copy has indicated, i will just tell you that it -- it -- it rocks my confidence in the court right now. >> liz, better late than never, but what do you think it means that you have these two sort of moderate conservative women senators who have now -- whose faith has been rocked in the court. >> well, first of all, i'm disappointed she didn't actually clutch the pearls that were hanging around her neck. she actually missed an opportunity to actually do the clutching, but for susan collins, the thing that is so upsetting and i know, ely, you know where i'm going with this, for her to be so convinced about brett kavanaugh when brett kavanaugh was on the d.c. court
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and was the dissenting opinion when an undocumented person who was incarcerated at the bothered needed an abortion, he was the person who did not want to allow her to get her legal access to abortion. there didn't have to be any digging around it. it was there in plain sight, and yet she's shocked, shocked at what she heard. i don't -- i don't even know what to say it's so appalling. >> yeah. let me play the other -- three of the other justices who are likely in this majority to overturn roe. this is gorsuch, kavanaugh and amy coney barrett. in their confirmation hearings. >> so a good judge will consider as precedent of the united states supreme court worthy as treatment of precedent like any other. >> and one of the important things to keep in mind about "roe v. wade" is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years.
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>> roe is not a super precedent because calls for its overruling have never ceased because it doesn't mean that r o'should be overruled. >> let me play one more, samuel alito, the author of the upcoming overturning of roe. >> "roe v. wade" is an important precedent of the supreme court. it was decided in 1973, so it's been on the books for a long time. it has been challenged on a number of occasions, and i discussed those yesterday, and it was my and the supreme court has reaffirmed the decision, sometimes on the merit, sometimes in casey based on stare decisis, and i think when a decision is challenged and reaffirmed, that strengthens its value. >> i mean, those werelize, right, and stare decisis isn't real, right? >> they are lying and have always been lying and frankly if you're the idiot who beloved their lies all the way through,
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then you're too stupid to be a united states senator. obviously they were lying. they have been lying the entire time, but my question is simply to the democrats now what are you prepared to do? now that their lies have been exposed, now that the obvious jig is up, what did you think was going to happen in 2004 when they replaced sandra day o'connor, the deciding vote in planned parent hyde versus casey with samuel alito. what did you think when 52% of white men and 50% of women couldn't vote for the email laid. when did you think was going to happen when these people had a covid party on top of ruth bader ginsburg's sglaf what did you think they were celebrating? yay, federalism, that was the party. they promised to do this and now they are doing this and what are you prepared to do to stop them from doing it is the only
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question that matters today? >> well, and, lizz, they are not just doing this. the glee is not even ending. this is right now a group of republican senators who are putting together a plan to pass, if they -- the moment they get a senate majority, their first action i'm assuming is james langford is behind it as well as the senator from iowa, joanie ernst. they wasn't a total ban on abortion so you won't even be able to travel to a blue state. >> yeah. >> they would like to ban abortion nationwide. what are we going to do about it? >> and that's what people realize is "roe v. wade" means it goes to the states, and if it goes to oklahoma, james langford's state which by the way the governor signed a six-week ban that went into effect immediately so there is that whole pocket of places where people can't get abortions at all, i think this was the plan all along and i have to tell you, joy, that sometimes i -- i try to be rational in
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where i need to place my anger because a lot of times i looked at my -- my fellow democrats, my fellow progressives who kept telling me that i was irrational. i feel slightly gaslit by the amount of times people told me that this was not happening. elie laid it out perfectly. as we told people, it makes you really feel like -- to answer elie's question do they care enough to do something? is it just joe manchin, or do they care enough to do something because it's not enough anymore to just bat away horrifying legislation. we need to be proactive and expanding access, and does our party have it in them, and it's up to us to -- to actually fuel that fire. i really do believe that we're going to see if this 70% of people who believe that a person's right to an abortion should be -- should always exist and r o'should exist, then we have to fight for it. we have to tell politicians your
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job is on the line if you don't secure this right now. anything less, they get a free pass. they get a free pass to not care. >> and elyrics you know, i want to very quickly go through your reaction to the language itself. i'm not a lawyer, but i did read the opinion, the draft opinion last night. there's something about it that was quite arrogant in sort of saying, well, the wrong was always wrongly decided which we've heard people on the right say for decades. i've been hearing this from the religious right since 2004. they have been saying this for a long time but to put it in language to essentially make it sound as if women just aren't capable of doing this, that the states need to make these decisions for women, and i think we forget about casey enough. planned parenthood versus casey, that's the one that said up until 1993 when that ruling happened women had to ask their husbands for permission of what to do with their bodies. they had to have a man's permission, essentially were you
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a ward of the man that you married. that's also being thrown under the bus. your thought about the decision itself? >> alito's fundamental reasoning is not abortion is not a fundamental right because it doesn't go back to the founding because the founding fathers didn't recognize abortion as a fundamental right and he's right about that. the founding parties didn't recognize abortion as a fundamental right because the founding fathers were racist misogynist jerk faces who didn't believe that women had any rights at all! so, of course, they didn't believe that women had rights to their own bodies. the founding fathers didn't believe that marital rape was a thing! couldn't be a thing, according to the founding fathers, according to sam alito, so that's the history that sam alito is accessing. look, either you believe that the founding fathers in their infinite wrongness were overcome by the 14th amendment which guaranteed equal protection to all people in this country or get dumped, and if you don't believe that the 14th amendment
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should -- guaranteed women rights to their own reproductive system just like a man has a right to his own reproductive system, if you don't believe, that then we are living in a situation where women have second class citizen status. if you do believe in the 1'd amendment worked, then samuel alito's legal reasoning is laughable on its face and wrong. >> yeah, i agree. >> i want to -- real quick, li zz because we're out of time. >> i was going to say in reading it it read like an anti-abortion activist wrote it, not a supreme court justice. >> well, one might argue that one did. marital rape actually finally was illegal in all of the u.s. states in 1993, 1993. women have barely had any rights in this country most of the time women have been in this country. thank you both very much. up next the christian right's decades long push to
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put in place activist supreme court justices with a religious agenda. but the normally vocal party has been somewhat muted and there's a reason for that. majority of the american public does not agree with the conservative justices on the supreme court and the republicans who confirmed them, but now that the dog has caught the car it's an open question what comes next, and if voters will punish republicans for taking away women's rights. joining me now erin haines and robert p. jones, ceo and author of "white too long." i'm going to start with you on this, robbie, because, you know, this is the dream come true, that you know, those of us who have been following the religious right and the things they have said for a long time know that this is what they wanted. now that they have caught the car the messaging doesn't seem to be as exuberant as one might expect. why is that? >> i think you've hit the nail on the head. it's really notable. nearly two-thirds of the public support the legaltive abortion.
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similar numbers oppose overturning "roe v. wade" and, in fact, even if you look in the religious landscape, you know, you mentioned the religious right, it's really the white evangelical right that we're talking about that's at the core of this. they are actually the only religious group in the country among whom a majority think that abortion should be illegal in all or most cases. every other major religious group in the country is in majority support of this right. latino protestants are divided but white evangelicals stand alone. only 14% of the population and they stand alone as the only group that really opposes it. it's worth noting that alito's catholic justice, but the catholics in the country, six in ten catholics in the country support the legaltive abortion despite the church's stance on it. >> let's just look at some of the numbers you brought in, robe. you've got 61% overall oppose overturning "roe v. wade." only 36% support it. by party it's still a no for
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most other groups, democrats and independents, but even 48% of republicans oppose overturning "roe v. wade" and then when it comes to as you said white evangelical protestants it's kind of divided. 52% support overturning "roe v. wade" so it's what do they say about it? because i've seen a lot of anti choice activists, sort of pro berth activists on tv that have been saying no, it's about compassion. well axios has gotten the senate republican talking points. they're talking about, be compassionate, expose the democrats but they are extreme views, forcefully the democrat lies regarding gop positions of abortion ones health care. blah blah. push the idea that americans support reasonable restrictions. this isn't about reasonable restrictions, this is about banning abortion and they've even got a bill that we're working on in the senate. what do you think this winds of doing, what do you hearing that it's going to wind up doing at some of these races in the
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midterm? >> you know, joy, is going to be interesting to see what happens even tonight. there is a primary underway even as we speak in ohio. where abortion is certainly been part of the conversation in that primary election there. but listen, i think we've got a preview of -- headed into the midterms with vice president harris remarks and -- obviously one of the most powerful political organizing groups in the country for women and what you saw was a great powerful, very forceful speech from the vice president where she threw that on the gall and. saying women's rights are under attack in america. and she said, in her statement, she put earlier today that it's not -- every woman in america to fight with everything that they have. to push back against what may be coming if this draft opinion ends up actually being the actual opinion of the supreme court later on this year. you heard a lot of the talking
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points, i'm just looking here at my notes, and she reminded the audience that the long fight to undo roe from the republican party and -- we're no longer in a hypothetical situation. this is real. four people now and it's going to take really all hands on deck, almost seems like a kind of -- conversation around the midterms head into november. and it could be kind of the latest chapter in the cultural war that -- democrats may actually have a -- . >> and just to know that kansas missouri in pennsylvania wisconsin all have active debates going on about abortion. this is going to hit some swing states as well. but robbie, i want to get into what else they want. because the right to privacy that underpins roe v. wade, also underpins the -- same sex marriage decision, it underpins the locality of birth control which even charge brett
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kavanaugh and pieces like marsh -- they consider birth control to be abortion drugs. some of them have spoken out that, loving versus virginia, the international marriage doctrine should be decided by the states. how much more do you expect them to try for now that they have the court? >> well, i was struck again, i'm no lawyer either but i was struck by the aggressiveness of by which this leaked memo went after the presume right of privacy. it's been six decades of jurisprudence establishing this. and it goes straight at it and if it's not mentioned specifically in the constitution, the argument is there is no constitutional support for it. and so you're right, even marriage across racial lines, could be back on, we could -- i think of this as a kind of time machine. it really is an attempt to drag the country back to 1950s
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america. and in fact when we look at -- if you look at those who oppose the legality of abortion, we find that it's two thirds of them believe that american cultural way of life for example of change for the worst of the 1950s. we find that same group that opposes abortion is, doesn't see the connection, doesn't see systemic reaction -- racism of the connections for past discrimination and president equality. so there is a whole range of things, a horrible worldview here that really is connected. it's not just about abortion, this is about a much broader set of issues that have, that really are about a kind of white christian right worldview. that again, is a very minority opinion and a rapidly changing country today. >> yeah and i think we've given up on the idea that they can convince people that the right. they're just using coercion now. i'm sorry very quickly aaron. >> i want to pick up once robert saying, i think to his
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point there were a couple of talking points that vice president harris remarks that speech early to that. one, the idea that she says we're not going back, being really forceful with that but really just tying this potential decision directly to the erosion of democracy in addition to a woman's right to make decisions about her own body. this is an opportunity to -- conversation around the women's vote, or on who gets to be a voter of faith. white evangelicals are not the only faith voters in this country -- on this issue i think is also gonna be part of this conversation going forward. >> indeed, indeed. aaron hayes, robbie jones, thanks very much. don't go anywhere, our very own steve kornacki's firing of the big board as we speak for the latest on primary in ohio as and just mentioned. polls are just closed, we'll be right back. sed, we'll b right back >> dad: it's okay. pull over. >> tech: he wouldn't take his car just anywhere... ♪ pop rock music ♪
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and for all the latest, we've got our very own steve kornacki minding the big board and here he is. steve. >> all right, choice, so the big story in ohio we're tracking tonight the republican primary for the state senate. the question here, j.d. vance endorsed by donald trump. this is the first big tent -- clout with republican primary voters in 2022. you can see here, the early returns, we've got just about 15% of the vote now statewide. has come in fans with the early advantage here, second place, this is the other thing we're watching closely tonight. this late in the campaign sort of development here. the state senator matt dolan, he's from the cleveland area, from that family that owns the cleveland guardians baseball team. but late momentum suggested by the polling, the early return suggesting that momentum was real. dolan, the one candidate in this race who is singled out by donald trump when trump saying, this is the one candidate i cannot accept, i do not want to win. the republican nomination,
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dolan had spoken out against trump's conduct on and around january six. involving those events. you've got vance in dolan one too early on. you've also got josh mandel here running a very close third. mandel had earnestly saw trump's endorsement here, going after many of the same voters advances going after. so you start to see a pattern here, look at vance sort of the maroon color. you can see here in the southern tier, this state certainly see a lot of these rural areas coming in early here for vance. vance doing well as well in the mahoney valley. one thing that i think to keep in mind is the pattern in ohio is, they do have early voting, they do have vote by mail. that began about a month ago. those are the votes generally speaking that are going to be reported out and released first. the trump endorsement of j.d. vance came about ten days into that period. so that's one of the questions we have. vince's number is going to get a little bit better as the night goes on. if it's the early vote that's
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counted first. and that's a similar question here for dolan, if dolan search came late, isn't necessarily going to be caught in the earliest votes that were cast. but again, about 15% in right now. vance off to a slightly dolan's right up there and mandela factor. >> fascinating, we will keep an eye on it. steve kornacki. always appreciate you and that's a nice read out chris hayes starts now. appreciate you an that'stonight on all in. >> roe v. wade is an important precedent. >> it is an important precedent. >> worthy as treatment of president. >> that doesn't mean that arose should be overruled. >> never mind what they've all said before, the supreme court confirms that draft to overturn roe v. wade. >> well i am here because i am angry. and i am here because the united states congress can change all of this. >> tonight, the


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