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are physically impossible in midair. i think at one point he scored 15 points in a row. i still think the warriors are going to end up in the nba finals, but this kid has become the human highlight show. he just does things you can't believe and he's up against steph curry last night but he's the guy you want to watch. and your celtics, by the way, came back big time last night against the defending champs and may look like about 57,000 threes. this has been a great time for the nba. >> it really has. we just want to thank you for coming on and talking about robert b. parker's revenge tour. it's on sale now. we're at the top of the hour so we've got to cover some other stories, but please come back. i want to talk about the book some more and talk about that missing boston red sox offense.
>> thank you very much. we've got a lot to get to this hour. it's 9:00 on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west. we're rolling into the fourth hour of "morning joe." steve kornacki will be with us in just a moment to break down last night's election results from ohio and whether donald trump still has a grip on his party. >> he does. >> also ahead, we'll have the latest from ukraine, where russian forces are unleashing new attacks on ukrainian infrastructure, as well as that besieged steel plant in mariupol where people are clinging to life underneath. but we start with more on the fallout from the supreme court and that leaked draft opinion that would overturn roe v wade. rallies and protests are being held around the country for a second straight day following the unprecedented leak of a ruling that could overturn abortion rights in america. not surprisingly, the story made front page nationwide.
the tampa bay times asking, quote, what comes next? former chief justice john roberts says the first order of business has been to launch an internal investigation to find out who leaked the draft decision. remember, only a small number of people would have had access to it, including law clerks for the justices, the court's administrative staff and the justices themselves. across washington, the reaction showed a stark divide between parties with most republicans focusing obsessively on the leak, while most democrats focused on the ruling itself. >> the white house already calling on lawmakers to protect abortion rights and asking voters to elect more pro-choice politicians all under the assumption is ruling is accurate and will go forward in june. before heading to alabama tuesday, president biden said basic fairness required abortion
rights not be overturned. >> after 50 years we're going to decide a woman does not have the right to choose. if this decision holds, it's really quite a radical decision. >> on tuesday, senate majority leader chuck schumer and house speaker nancy pelosi released a joint statement that read in part, several of these conservative justices who are in no way accountable to the american people have lied to the u.s. senate, ripped up the constitution and defiled precedent and the supreme court's reputation. in fact, at least two republican senators seem to share that notion. moderates susan collins and lisa murkowski both say they were led to believe the trump nominad justics said they would leave the ruling in place.
collins said it's completely inconsistent with what they said in private conversations. lisa murkowski had this to say. >> do you think justice kavanaugh lied to you? >> i'm not going to comment on that. >> do you feel misled by some of the candidates? [ inaudible ] >> got to say really one of the things that surprises me from court watchers, from other people that have followed the supreme court for a very long time is, this presumption that what came out yesterday is going to be what everybody's going to see when the court finally brings down its decision. you have the chief justice of the supreme court saying there's nothing in this ruling, the
statement at the top of his comments said there's nothing in this ruling that tells you where people are going to end up. they may end up that way, but it's not possible. i do think -- i know this sounds naive and premature to ask susan collins and ask lisa murkowski if they were lied to by brett kavanagh because we don't know where brett kavanaugh is going to end up. i would bet, though, it's not going to be lined up right behind the harsh rhetoric of justice alito. one other thing too, and i've heard it time and time again, people saying, well, this is a fate acomply because if you look at the oral arguments, the organize arguments show where everybody is going. we have pete williams coming up in a second.
i know pete will say you can never tell how somebody's going to decide at the end, because often you'll have justices play the devil's advocate, ask the tough questions about the side that actually they're opposed to, to try to get the answer, to try to figure out exactly why they shouldn't move in a different direction. so i do believe, despite the fact this is unprecedented, a lot of assumptions are being made that are premature. >> chief justice roberts said as much yesterday in his statement, saying this is a draft opinion. yes, it's authentic. it's a draft opinion. it could change by the time we get to a final ruling. let's bring in justice correspondent pete williams. pete, good morning. i'll let you take up that question from joe about the consistency or inconsistency between what we hear in oral arguments, what we hear in a draft opinion like the one
that's been made public and what ends up happening at the end. >> joe is right about one thing. the final decision won't look exactly like the leaked opinion that we've seen, because they never are. this is the first draft. remember, it's not just to see how it's changed when the dissenters get their hands on it and make suggested changes. the people in the majority may also say, you know, i can't join this part of it or i can't join unless you make these changes. so that kind of thing goes on all the time. it's undoubtedly true that this draft that we saw dated february 10th is not going to be the way the final decision looks. that is 100% true. bottom line question, though, will it still overturn roe v wade? that's the big question. i think it's absolutely right to say it's never safe to assume based on what justices say in oral argument that that's the
way the final case will come out. that is so true on the sort of mind run of cases when the court is hearing, say, a riveting case on the employment retirement income security act, i think it's very risky to do that. question, though, when it comes to something like abortion, which each of these justices have been thinking about for years, if not decades, are they uncertain of where they stand? i just don't know. but i think that's the real question here. are they still open to change? i think they're certainly open to change on how sweeping the opinion is. is it possible that a justice kavanaugh or justice barrett, for example, or even justice gorsuch could be peeled away to join justice roberts and say we're not going to overturn roe. we're just going to uphold the mississippi law. i think that's what the people who were outside the court last
night making a lot of noise hope that they would do and perhaps that was the motive of the leaker. we just don't know whether that was the motive or not. i think joe is right that it's not going to be the same. i just don't know. of course, we simply don't know whether it could end up different. it wouldn't shock me if the final decision upholds the mississippi law but doesn't strike down roe. >> pete in that same statement justice roberts called this a singular and egregious breach of trust. i won't ask you to speculate on who leaked it. >> i don't know. >> what about the impact on the court? as you've said from the early moments when this story came out in politico, this is without precedent in modern history. what is the impact on the trust
not just from the court and the public but inside the court? >> there have been leaks in the past. of course, they always rile the court, sometimes make the chief justice furious. but we say not modern history. i don't think in any of the supreme court's history there's ever been a fully written draft leaked. the chief justice did say, to the extent this betrayal of the confidences of the court was intended to undermine the integrity of our operations, it will not succeed. the work of the court will not be affected in any way. i wonder if that's true. in any way? it's hard to believe that this leak hasn't cast some suspicion, maybe made it just a little bit more chilly to do some of the work that the court has to do inside that building. they've got 37 decisions yet to announce in the next two months, including this one. but he's trying to make the point of, you know, we'll still do our jobs. and i'm sure that's true.
so pete, we heard yesterday many people speculating about why it may have been dropped in early may for early june or july decision. we, of course, won't know the answer to that for some time. could you explain to our friends that are watching the process? what part of the process was the supreme court in? some people said, oh, the majority has it for a while, they have the draft and this was the time that the concurrences started, when roberts could start trying to move amy coney barrett or kavanaugh his way. is that right? how does this process work and what stage were we in when this leak dropped on monday? >> we were in the very early stages here. because what happens is immediately after the case is argued -- it was argued december 1st.
not that day but within a day or so they would have voted, they would have taken the initial vote. the senior justice in the majority would have signed the opinion. we have to assume that's clarence thomas. we don't think the chief would go along with the full overturning of roe. he was trying to go to this middle ground. it appears thomas has signed alito. justice alito with his clerks generates what was the first draft we have seen dated february 10th. think about how long that took. the case was argued december 1st and the draft is dated february 10th. it took all that time to do that draft. if you look at it, there's a lot of work in there. there's an enormous amount of footnoting. it's pretty solidly constructed in terms of making its own argument. that's when the real work starts. that is circulated then to the
full court. of course, then the people who presumably were in this initial vote of five start going back and forth and they send notes. they don't talk to each other. they send notes to alito saying, i'm with you, but i can't join this part. just because of their initial vote, that doesn't mean they're going to sign onto whatever justice alito comes up with. it's a starting point. they say you have to change this if you want my vote or you have to add this. i mean, one question here, in the draft opinion we see justice alito saying, don't worry, just because we're going to strike down roe, it doesn't mean we're going to strike down same-sex marriage or interracial marriage or contraceptive protections. don't worry, this won't touch that. did he put that in on his own? did somebody ask for that? that's the kind of thing that changes. then the dissenters write their
opinion. that is circulated, the majority opinion is changed. that's why a case like this takes so long. people wonder why if this thing was argued december 1st we're not going to get it until late june. that's because in these highly contentious cases there's a lot of back and forth and it's not announced until that's all done. >> nbc's pete williams. thank you so much for your reporting and your analysis. turning now to ohio, where last night saw the first test of former president trump's influence on republicans before the midterms. jd vance won the state's competitive gop primary after trump endorsed him. he'll be facing off against democratic congressman tim ryan this november, who joined us last hour. >> matt bolan who was the
anti-trump candidate in the republican primary got 20% of the vote. he said the election was legitimate. he didn't go kiss trump's ring. he got 20% of the vote. those voters are going to be tim ryan voters. we're going hard after them. add into that the eastern european voters in cleveland and toledo, ukrainian americans, the lithuanian community, they find jd vance repugnant and his comments on ukraine. there's a lot of people here, plus the economics. jd vance has already disqualified himself. he said this country is a joke and he said he's not comfortable in ohio anymore. those are two disqualifying statements for somebody who wants to represent ohio in the united states senate. >> nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard has a nice cincinnati
skyline behind him. he joins us now. i think donald trump did prove that his power still holds. his endorsement worked for jd vance. >> reporter: right. i was talking to an individual who's working with one of the other companies as those results started coming in. he frankly said donald trump wanted for jd vance -- 18 days ago when jd vance was at 10% in the polls there and 18 days later he's at 32% and he's the republican nominee to replace rob portman, who we should note the retiring republican, the candidate he endorsed walked away with just 6%. this is the republican party today, mika. the calvary that came out in the final days for jd vance were
matt gaetz, march ri taylor green. tim ryan mentioned eastern europeans, the population that exists here in ohio. when we talk about foreign policy of jd vance, this is a man in the last month at the height of russia's invasion and persecution of ukrainians said that, quote, he frankly doesn't care about ukraine. again, republicans knew who this man was. i'm frankly surprised by the margin because we did talk to quite a few hesitant ardent trump supporters here in the last weeks that were questioning of who jd vance was. i think there's a reality that republicans are looking at. no matter if you at one point call donald trump an idiot, ultimately the former president will welcome you back into his club and potentially endorse you
and get you a seat in the senate to be able to serve at the age of 36 years old for six years. donald trump just gave jd vance a lifeline. >> jd vance is a self-described never trumper in 2016. now riding on the strength of an endorsement from donald trump. let's go over the big board where we find steve kornacki. good morning. how did jd vance do it? >> he put together quite a coalition here. you can see vance and mandel, the two candidates who went the hardest after getting that trump endorsement, geared their rhetoric the hardest towards getting trump voters. dolan, the one candidate trump said he did not want to have the nomination, finishing in third place here. jd vance, the areas where he got his best support in the state, appalachian ohio.
this is portsmith, ohio, this is the best county in the state for vance, 47%. dolan who there was a lot of momentum behind with single digits, buried throughout appalachian ohio. vance was running up the score in places like this. this is the heart of trump country in ohio, counties all along in the appalachian regions of ohio. i think there's 32 of them in ohio. 28 of them trump even beat john kasich back in the 2016 primary. the other thing that happened to vance was and the hope for dolan was this. dolan was hoping to run up huge numbers in the metropolitan areas, the suburban areas,
cuyahoga county, cleveland. dolan wins it but vance didn't get blown away here. franklin county dolan wins by six points. go north of columbus to the suburbs of delaware, bedrock republican suburbs, delaware county, ohio. jd vance wins here. i know he has roots in the cincinnati area but jd vance looks like he's going to win hamilton county, take also where toledo is. the vance coalition was strongest in those rural counties that really are the heart of trump country in ohio but he didn't get blown away in the metro areas either. it adds up to almost a ten-point victory here statewide. when you look at the trajectory of the race and the same day votes, vance and mandel were both doing the best with the same day voters, the folks who
waited until election day to cast their ballots. it really does speak to the trump had picked mandel, i wouldn't be surprised if mandel finished first. but trump picked vance and vance did the best yesterday. >> over the past 10 years or so, ohio is even more surprising than pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, florida, which has become much more red. this is a state that barack obama won twice by about four percentage points. obama won it going away. you look at the midwest. if we want to see what happened, remember, it wasn't so long ago that you actually had democrats bragging about their blue wall in the electoral college. that's because they dominated the midwest. obama not only wonnen iowa, he
indiana, ohio, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. i mean, he owned these industrial midwest states. now you look at ohio, man. it is a sea of red. >> this is trump/biden 2020 in ohio. take a look here. here's an example of exactly what you're talking about. in 2020 donald trump wins this county by 42 points over joe biden. play this back against hillary clinton, the margin was almost 40. i don't know why it's showing us the 2012 republican primary. i was hoping this would show you the obama/romney race, because it was two points in this county in 2012. obama was competitive. ma honing county, donald trump wins this by two. hillary clinton wins by three. we're still getting the primary
results. obama won it by 28 in 2012. >> geez. >> good for rick sanatorium, he kept it competitive in the primary. sorry. this should say 28 points for barack obama back in 2012. that's the kind of movement you saw. >> for democrats trying to figure out exactly what's happened to them nationally, they can look no further than ohio. you're right. i mean, there are counties in ohio, steve, that republicans are running away with. just eight years ago, democrats were winning. >> the flip side of it is where there have been gains for democrats would be right around for instance franklin county, columbus here. democrats have improved. delaware county, biden was not able to carry but he's made some progress there. places where you do have higher incomes, higher concentration of college degrees. the columbus area actually is growing. you don't see a lot of population growth elsewhere
around the state. it's these rural areas that were willing to vote democratic where even barack obama was competitive. you have seen 30, 40-point swings in the republican direction. you looked at that map last night. it's where jd vance was the strongest. that's why i think the trump effect really did carry him, because those areas trump flipped the most dramatically were strongest for vance. >> steve kornacki proving he doesn't even need the big board. he's got the exact spread in 2012 in his head. coming up next hour, more on the supreme court leak. >> those republican leaders who are trying to weaponize the use of the law against women, we say how dare they. how dare they tell a woman what she can do and not do with her
own body. >> eugene daniels joins us from the white house with the latest reporting on the vice president's unique position in this fight. plus andrew ross sorkin on why major companies are staying quiet on the issues so far. later, yesterday was the deadliest day in eastern ukraine since early april. eastern ukrae since early april.
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roe protects the right to access abortion. it also protects a woman's right to make decisions about what she does with her own body. >> vice president kamala harris speaking lasting night at the emily's list national conference. let's bring in white house correspondent for politico, coauthor of the play book and "morning joe" senior contributor eugene daniels. this morning's play book highlights how the vice president is seeing her moment amid this battle over abortion rights. explain that. >> reporter: i was with vice president harris yesterday when she made that speech, very impassioned speech. she, if you talk to the people who are fans of hers, advisors of hers, former and current, they will say this is a, quote, moment for vice president harris, that she is uniquely qualified in this administration
to take this fight publicly, to talk publicly about abortion rights at this time. she is obviously a lawyer at heart and by trade, but also someone who can talk emotionally, as you saw there, about abortion rights in the country. so what we saw from her yesterday was kind of a preview of how this administration is going to frame this issue and debate moving forward, especially after the reporting from my amazing colleagues on this draft opinion on roe v wade possibly being overturned later on this year. what we heard from her was, first of all, this is not going to stop at roe v wade and abortion rights, that the right to privacy is on the line and that goes to gay marriage and interracial marriage, possibly contraception overall. and second that democrats need to come out and send more democrats to the senate and the house so they can continue working on that issue here. for that to happen, she and the white house are going to have to
be out front and give people a reason to come out, have to give democrats especially more of a reason and make this issue just as important to democratic voters as inflation, gas prices and immigration are to republican voters. that's something that when you talk to democratic strategists, that they're a little worried that the administration is going to do. one person yesterday told me they need to let harris loose on this issue. what the administration is telling me, though, is she will speak about it when appropriate and i think she is going to want to do that a lot more. >> eugene daniels reporting live from the white house, thank you. joining us democratic senator jackie rosen of nevada. she's a member of the armed services committee. we'll start with this draft opinion that was leaked. your reaction to it, is the
story the leak or the contents of the document? >> the story is the contents of the document, because this puts the women's right to privacy, women's right to have control over their own reproductive health choices center stage. if this precedent 50 years of settled law is overturned, as was said in the prior piece, what's next? so we need to move this issue front and center. this is why the senate is really important. i'm chair of the women's senate network. we have to keep the incumbents we have, add more women to our ranks and increase our democratic majority to protect a woman's right to choose. >> senator rosen, good morning. i'm curious, what is your message to the millions of americans, women yes, but many more americans as well who are deeply concerned this morning, who have taken to the streets yesterday outside the supreme
court, who see a right that's been available in most places in the country for 50 years now looking like it's going to be taken away from them. what recourse do they have? what do you say to them today? >> what i want to say to them today is to take that fear, that anger, that concern and turn it into action. how do they do that? they mobilize at the ballot box. they mobilize to be sure that we keep our majority in the senate and add to it, just like i spoke about, that we look at those races up and down the ticket in each and every one of our own states. we can't be quiet because there's tragic consequences if roe v wade is overturned. think about a woman, could be your wife, your mother, your sister, an aunt, a best friend, who has an ectopic pregnancy or a miscarriage who can't get the critical life saving treatment at a hospital. think about maybe a young girl or anyone who's been the victim of rape or incest and having to
still carry that burden, a second victimization. and just the fact that women want control over their lives and nobody should be in our doctors offices with us. it's really important that we take that anger, take that fear, turn it into action and turn it into mobilizing at the ballot box. that's where we win. we don't want a nationwide abortion ban electing democrats up and down the ticket will protect that. >> there are plenty of democrats who are saying that roe v wade must be made into the law of the land and codified into law. how likely is it that democrats could make that happen in this congress? >> well, we're going to try to explore any options we have to do that, but frankly i'm not sure that we have the votes. so what we're going to have to do again is try to mobilize and organize, move anyway and anyone that we can to move this issue forward. i can just tell you my phone's been ringing off the hook, text
messages, calls coming in, women and girls are crying, they're scared. they don't want to go back 50 years. the stories, i don't have to tell you, the stories of the tragedy. that's not going to stop abortions. it's just going to stop women from getting safe abortions. i want to avoid that. we're going to try to do everything we can, but i do believe our action is at the ballot box in november and going forward. >> democratic senator jackie rosen of nevada, thank you very much for coming on the show. coming up, a look at the stories making front page news across the country, including a growing number of parents turning to an unlikely place to find baby formula. plus, the biden administration now says wnba
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as bad as the red sox were in april, the one excuse they had was they were mostly on the road. the schedule tilted to at fenway going forward. maybe we can get some wins together and get within 15 games of the yankees. >> willie, i don't understand. he's talking about the red sox when everybody knows it's just weak weaking -- waking up on the west coast. all we do is talk about the national league west. look at that beautiful, beautiful city. >> i've got a stat for you that gets to that. here's something incredible i saw last night. for the first time in major league history, the two new york and the two l.a. teams are leading their divisions. it's never happened. the yankees, the mets, the angels and the dodgers all leading their divisions.
there's your l.a. nugget. >> fascinating. now to a look at the morning papers. west hawaii today reports state lawmakers have passed legislation that would increase the state's minimum wage to $18 an hour by 2028. potentially the highest in the nation. the governor is expected to sign the measure. advocates say the raise is needed due to the high price of housing and cost of living. but some businesses warn they'll have to cut staff or even close because they won't be able to afford paying higher wages. to mississippi where the sun herald reports a growing number of parents are turning to social media to find formula for their babies amid a nationwide shortage. using the online groups to buy, sell or trade cans of formula. one facebook group formed in february has more than 10,000 members. the shortage began during the pandemic as parents stockpiled formula over fears of running
out. georgia's atlanta journal constitution reports the highest number of early voting ballots ever cast on monday, the first day of early voting ahead of the state's may 24th, primary. turnout was nearly twice as high as the state of the 2020 primary. more republicans cast ballots than democrats. this year's primary features races for governor and the u.s. senate. >> let's move over to the state of alabama, highlighting president biden's visit to the state yesterday. the president praising workers at the lockheed martin missile facility for supplying weapons to ukraine in its fight against rush. in new mexico, the silver city sun news features an ominous picture of two new wildfires raging in that state. they've burned more than 1200 acres. weather conditions continue to be warm and dry, hindering efforts to contain the flames there. in texas, the waco tribune
herald reports the biden administration has determined wnba star britney griner is being wrongfully detained in russia, meaning the u.s. will now work more aggressively to secure her release even as the legal case against her plays out. griner was detained at an airport in february after russian authorities said a search of her bag revealed vape cartridges containing oil derived from cannabis. charges against britney griner have been described as drug charges. she wasn't trafficking drugs. she had a couple of vape cartridges and it appears vladimir putin and russia trying to make an example of a prominent american. >> we'll be following that in the hopes that she gets home. coming up, the federal reserve expects to raise interest rates today. what that means for your next trip to the grocery store or the gas station. plus, the leaked draft overturning roe v wade makes it
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editor for "the new york times" deal book and co-archer of cnbc "squawk box" where he worked for the self-proclaimed joe kernen. but no joe kernen here today. andrew, you just got me -- i know you have a lot of stuff to talk about. andrew, what you want to talk about is important to me. >> it is. >> i'm fascinated. the market opens up, once again, amazon down. amazon's stock has lost 1,000 points. >> yep. >> over the past month or so. and again, that's real. we all use amazon. we get goods from amazon. i mean, what does that say about where this economy is going? it keeps going down and i keep expecting that to bounce back up? >> i think what it says, there is a real expectation that it is going to get harder and harder for amazon to continue the kind of growth it's had. and it's going to get harder and
harder for the customer and the consumer out there. and i think we're all waiting to hear what exactly jay powell says later today. it's not so much actually raising interest rates today that is the issue, it's what he says about the future. does he say he's going to get more aggressive, less aggressive? there's going to be a lot of tea leaf reading trying to get between the lines. when you start to think about what's just happened. in the past 12 months, a 30-year mortgage in this country used to be under 3%, 12 months ago. today, it's over 12%. it was $1200 to put 10% down. a year ago. today, it's over $1800 a month. the question does that $1800 become $2200 if that's the case, there's less people buying stuff at amazon. and that's what you're going in the stock market. >> you know, andrew, everybody is talking about, obviously, in washington, d.c. the leak coming out of the supreme court. >> yep. >> not so much talk on wall
street. everybody just keeping their head down? >> well, no, no. it's actually not that they're not talking about it. everybody is talking about, it's just that they're whispering and they don't want to say anything publicly. that's actually what's happening here. i can't tell you how many texts and emails and phone calls i had about this very issue yesterday. ceos getting memos from their employees and the like. this is a very real issue. but they have been scared stiff by what's happened in florida with desantis regarding disney. they've been scared stiff with what's happened with voting rights in the state of georgia. with delta, years ago. and it was once said to me, i think corporations are people now. the republicans said that's what we're supposed to be. but we actually can't speak out, if we did, we wouldn't get knocked on the other side in terms of their earnings and/or their taxes or other incentives. interesting this morning, jamie
dimon was interviewed, is he -- didn't want to talk about it. he said, we'll take care of our people. and that is the position a lot of these multinational companies are taking. we'll take care of our people. that's what we'll do. we're not going to raise our heads above the crowds. the only companies that we've seen speak le levi's and those progressive. and the roundtable came out, we care about all stakeholders. that's how we're focused. they said this is not our issue. >> all right. andrew ross sorkin, thank you so much. >> thank you, andrew. moving now to the war in ukraine, day 70. as we speak, the mayor of mariupol said there's heavy fighting under way at the steel plant where hundreds of soldiers and civilians including at least 30 children remain trapped inside. ukrainian officials say at least
two civilian women were killed in air strikes overnight and ten others wounded. evacuations that began over the weekend have been on hold for days, amid those air strikes. as well as attempts by russian forces to storm the facility. at the same time, ukraine's defense ministry says russia is trying to increase the tempo of its assault across eastern ukraine. launching roughly four dozen air strikes on tuesday. russia has also stepped up attacks on ukraine's infrastructure. and supply lines, hitting a number of electrical substations. and knocking out power to at least five ukrainian trains. >> which is what we talked about earlier, wondering why they haven't done this earlier. they're obviously moving on it now, let's bring in national analyst for nbc news and msnbc. clint wise, he's looking at the big board on the map. clint, what can you tell us?
>> the month was the failed blitzkrieg over the last months. the ukrainians have advanced 40 kilometers east, essentially. they pushed out of kharkiv. that's important for two reasons, one, they want to push out russian artillery under constant bombardment since the war. but what they're trying to do push from belgrade, into his access of izyum. reports from izyum, over the last three to four days is that many of the russian officers there and potentially the chief of staff were there and hit with indirect strike of some sort from the ukrainians. this is pretty devastating. we've not seen much action from there. the fight from here on forward is really going to be here on the east. when we zoom in, this is the battlefield as it looks today. the russians are trying to advance really in these two corridors, here and here. they want to bring their forces
inslovyansk. it's a key city, if they take the city, they can envelope the ukrainian forces dug in here and want to equip the forces coming up from donetsk. that's essentially the end of western donbas if they're able to do that. but big questions about their ability to do that, when you zoom back out and look at the bigger picture. separately, we saw russian forces doing probing operations here in the south. but i think that's mostly to keep ukrainian military forces tied. you we've seen them push around mykolaiv, and this sliver here known as transnistria, part of moldova. but they try to stem the advance here, but every time they flare, in terms of ukrainian forces keeping them tied up to reposition here in the east. i think we can conclude, if you look across the board, this is going to be a much slower battle in the third month of the war, for several reasons. one is fuel.
whether russia or the ukrainians, fuel is a major issue. take here in eastern ukraine. there hasn't been oil or gas supplies coming into the country. the second part is ammunition. it looks like the russians are using more, less specific, munitions, running out of supplies. logistics on the ukrainian side versus the russian side and who can control their advance in the next few days. >> clint, with the very latest on the movements in ukraine. thank you so much. we appreciate it. and that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage in 90 seconds. lemons. lemons. lemons. lemons. look how nice they are. the moment you become an expedia member, you can instantly start saving on your travels.
good morning, 10:00 a.m. easterner 7 a.m. and the supreme court is poised to strike down roe v. wade. we'll talk to texas congressman veronica and happening in washington, president biden is expected to discuss the latest on jobs, the deficit and the overall state of our economy. we're going live to ukraine where relentless russian shelling and air strikes continue to pummel ukraine's eastern region. congressman
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